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Palin, Obama, Santorum, Romney: The pathway to victory or the road less traveled
February 17, 2011 | techno

Posted on 02/16/2012 11:57:28 PM PST by techno

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1 posted on 02/16/2012 11:57:38 PM PST by techno
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To: techno

How much executive experience, if any, does Rick Santorum have? Didn’t we just go through this in 2008?


2 posted on 02/17/2012 12:10:24 AM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.~Admiral Yamamoto)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Then your choice must be Romney if you are a Republican.

Executive experience is way overrated.

Obama is NOT incompetent, misguided or out of his league. Yes, he also had no executive experience to speak of but from the point of view of taking counsel, running a tight ship and operating efficiently he is doing that.

Where I fundamentally disagree with Obama on is his policies, agenda and his ideology. It has nothing to do whether he has executive experience or not but everything to do with his evil ways, diabolical machinations, his Marxist upbringing and Alinsky and Cloward-Piven motivated desire to turn America into a socialist wasteland.


3 posted on 02/17/2012 12:17:11 AM PST by techno
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To: techno

I’ve never quite understood people’s obsession with the day to day polls. Especially with the polls on Obama, since none of those polls are going to really matter until this ugly nomination process is settled and our energies are focused on Obummer.

As for Saint Rick, his economic platform is mediocre, at best, which is why he runs on family/religious issues and feel good messages about freedom and taking things back and blah blah blah. Repetitious messages aimed at distracting the type of folks who don’t ever look too deeply at anything.


4 posted on 02/17/2012 12:23:42 AM PST by Apollo5600
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To: techno

Sorry I take that back. If you are holding out for Palin then she does indeed have executive experience.

I was assuming you were only focused on the four candidates in the field.

Sorry I jumped the gun.


5 posted on 02/17/2012 12:25:12 AM PST by techno
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Does Speaker of the House qualify as Executive Experience?


6 posted on 02/17/2012 12:27:52 AM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: techno

“It has nothing to do whether he has executive experience or not but everything to do with his evil ways, diabolical machinations, his Marxist upbringing and Alinsky and Cloward-Piven motivated desire to turn America into a socialist wasteland.”

And the only two people who have unabashedly and fearlessly spoken these words, made these statements boldly and with no retreat, are Sarah Palin and Newt Gingrich.
romney hasn’t done it.
santorum hasn’t done it.
Anyone else but Sarah or Newt loses. That’s just a fact.


7 posted on 02/17/2012 12:30:06 AM PST by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: Apollo5600

Why polls so far out:

History tells us since Gallup started polling presidential contest after WWII, pundits have concluded that if the incumbent is not consistently over 50% in overall approval a year out from the election that he is vulnerable to defeat.

Furthermore it has been found that no incumbent has ever won re-election if his overall approval number going into the fall election was under 47%. By the same token any incumbent going into the fall campaign at above 51% has been re-elected. You could call the gap in between (47%-51%) no man’s land, where the election could go either way.

President Obama, has been below 50% consistently since July 2009 and as I pointed out was sitting at 45% in overall approval during the week of the midterm elections.

He is definitely vulnerable to defeat. Is he certain to be defeated? No. But I would venture he is at the edge of no man’s land currently—bottom line no one knows if Obama will be re-elected or not, not even Obama.

Why polls now? Because they give our side hope and keep us enthusiastic and passionate. How would you feel if Obama was currently polling at 60%? Depressed. Not enthusiastic to vote in the primaries or the general election.

But a close election keeps everyone in the game and brings most everyone out.

As for Santorum, time will tell. But you can’t dismiss the polls on Michigan and Ohio; Feb 28 and March 6 respectively are just around the corner. If Santorum wins both states it is a whole new ball game. He could win the nomination, especially if he makes a severe dent in Gingrich’s southern stronghold on Super Tuesday.

Time will tell.


8 posted on 02/17/2012 12:39:46 AM PST by techno
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To: Apollo5600

“As for Saint Rick, his economic platform is mediocre, at best, which is why he runs on family/religious issues and feel good messages about freedom and taking things back and blah blah blah. Repetitious messages aimed at distracting the type of folks who don’t ever look too deeply at anything.”

Oh and also repealing Obamacare, something that Romney and Newt can’t effectively make the case for because of their support for Romneycare.


9 posted on 02/17/2012 12:41:41 AM PST by ari-freedom
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To: MestaMachine

I never claimed Santorum is perfect or ideal but he is no milquetoast especially on the issue of Obamacare.

And he does NOT have a fatal flaw like the other two candidates do:

Romney (Romneycare/Mormon religion)

Gingrich (cheating on his wives)

He is not spineless like Romney is or McCain was in 2008. Notice his speaking style. He is always taking the fight to the opponent, whether it be the other GOP contenders or Obama. Yes, he may not call Obama a socialist or a Marxist but as long as he stays aggressive, I can accept words like very liberal or progressive.


10 posted on 02/17/2012 12:46:39 AM PST by techno
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To: ari-freedom

“Oh and also repealing Obamacare, something that Romney and Newt can’t effectively make the case for because of their support for Romneycare.”

Yeah, keep telling yourself that as you rock yourself to sleep with Bush the Third as your candidate. At least with Bush he was an honest fellow. With Rick, we have to put up with the “I’m the most conservative candidate!” crud, except he has no platform to back it up with.

His whole candidacy revolves around him being able to fool enough people into believing he is the “true conservative”, and in bashing Newt Gingrich as a traitor, in order to distract people away from his own record and lack of an economic plan.

We have an opportunity here to take out a weak, openly socialist President and use that momentum to totally rock the system. Instead, you want the guy whose entire economic plan is basically a retread of everything we always hear about. More gimmickry playing around with the same progressive system, but making no steps to tear it down.

But I guess as long as you can have your Saint Rick, and call Newt a liar, repealing Obama care and returning to the Bush mediocrity is good enough for you!

Well, at least Bush was an honest and good man. Saint Rick hasn’t been that honest with us.


11 posted on 02/17/2012 12:59:15 AM PST by Apollo5600
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Occupy Free Republic!

12 posted on 02/17/2012 1:04:02 AM PST by Bradís Gramma (PRAY for this country like your life depends on it....)
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To: techno

Saint Rick’s fatal flaw is that on his own website, the first article to come up on his “Issues” page is a declaration of war against the “illegal pornography” menace that everybody is worried about right now.

This s*** flies because we’re all social conservatives, more or less, since the vast majority of us are Bible believing Christians. It’s not going to fly once you start campaigning away from the Base of the party and into the mainstream.

I won’t say that Saint Rick can’t beat Obama. I think anybody can, except for Romney and Ron Paul. The problem with Saint Rick is that he offers nothing for us to turn to after Obama is out of office. We’ll just go right back to sleep, as usual, as we settle with his mediocre solutions. He only has mediocre solutions because he himself is a mediocre intellect.

I was doing some reading the other night and came across a page on a Pro-Fair Tax website. It was an outdated page listning all of the candidates and their positions/thoughts on the Fair Tax.

Everybody had an opinion, including Obummer, but right there in the middle of the page was Saint Rick: “Rick Santorum — unknown [position on Fair tax], favors lower taxes but not very specific.”

That, and his Porno article being first on his Issues page, is basically the symbol of Rick Santorum’s campaign.


13 posted on 02/17/2012 1:04:49 AM PST by Apollo5600
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To: Apollo5600

I guess you can enjoy your Romneycare on your moonbase with all those illegals that Newt wants to legalize!


14 posted on 02/17/2012 1:11:08 AM PST by ari-freedom
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To: ari-freedom

“I guess you can enjoy your Romneycare on your moonbase with all those illegals that Newt wants to legalize!”

I guess you can enjoy being utterly void of substance and logical thinking. I’d bet good money you’re on Romney’s payroll with these kinds of non-thinking responses.

At least TRY to explain how Saint Rick’s platform is superior to Newt’s. Assuming, of course, that you even know what it is. I had to explain it to a few of your buddies on this forum.


15 posted on 02/17/2012 1:15:51 AM PST by Apollo5600
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To: techno

Straight polling question. What constituency is Satorum/ Romney going to do better than McCain did?

Also minority participation is supposed to be up 28% which is considered to be the low end number. Without getting any additional minority support which I do not see happening I just do not see how the numbers add up.

It would take 65% of the white voters which has not happened since Mondale and that was 34. I am concerned and do not see a way out. Again not talking policy just straight numbers.


16 posted on 02/17/2012 1:17:34 AM PST by chopperjc
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It was calculated after the 2008 election 4m+ white conservative voters did not show up at the polls on election day because they did not take to Mccain being a moderate.

With Santorum those folks would show up.

Bottom line our side needs for the white turnout to be in the range of 75.5%-76% of the electorate to win back the WH. With McCain it was 74%.

And we need to win the white vote by more than 20 points.

McCain only won it by 12 points (55% to 43%).

You say that cannot be done. How soon you forget:

2010:

White vote as percentage of the electorate: 77%

Breakdown of vote:

GOP 60%

Dems 37%

Remember that was a wipeout. It can be done again but it takes a conservative to fire up the base.

Romney can’t do it but Santorum can and so can Palin.

Obviously we know Palin can do it from 2008-2010.

As for Santorum when you command the support of 40%-50% of TP supporters, over 40% of your supporters are evangelicals and over 40% are conservatives you must be doing something right. Obviously if these folks don’t show up in Michigan and/or Ohio then Santorum is not as well regarded as I thought. We’ll see on Feb 28 and March 6.


17 posted on 02/17/2012 1:29:30 AM PST by techno
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To: techno

I refuse to vote for a corrupt bastard like Santorum.

We tend to forget all of Santorum’s garbage because of his strong social values, and more importantly, he has had a couple years to buffer himself from his history in Congress and from the old “Coruupt Bastards” group he associated with when he was there.

WE NEED TO REMEMBER Santorum received more campaign funds from lobbyists in 2006 than any other member on The Hill at that time, even more than John Murtha and Tom Delay ever did, met regularly with K Street lobbyists every Tuesday morning as a Senator, loves earmarks for special interests and still defends them today, and believes it is fine to keep collecting federal tax dollars to give to Congress to determine what lobbyist-driven projects the Congress would like to provide funds for back in the states.

Santorum has been crtitical of the TEA Part in the past, but like a true hypocrite has now claimed he is one.

Vote for him? No way!


18 posted on 02/17/2012 1:41:46 AM PST by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR U.S.A. PRESIDENT)
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To: Apollo5600

I know what it is. It consists of cutting spending. Block grant entitlements such as Food stamps and Medicaid. Pass the Ryan medicare plan. Eliminate energy subsidies, including the ethanol subsidies that Newt loves so much. Eliminate Freddie Mac, which caused the mess that tanked the economy.

It may not be as intellectually pretentious as calling for a colony on the moon or giant mirrors in space to light up the roads at night but it is the best way to save our economy from financial ruin.


19 posted on 02/17/2012 1:44:27 AM PST by ari-freedom
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To: techno

I’m absolutely convinced that Newt Gingrich is the junkyard dog we need to rip Obama a new one and send him running back to his Chicago slime pit with his tail between his legs. Newt has plenty of DC experience as Speaker, executive ability from his many enterprises, and a silver tongue that’s razor sharp! He’s fast on his feet, delivers it straight up with no hemming and hawing, and is often witty. His work with American Solutions was very impressive and as we’ve seen recently, Newt is able to put into words what the vast majority of Americans really believe. His fevered brain also has plenty of ideas for making government work better for taxpayers. Is Newt pure as the driven snow? No - none of the presidential candidates are in line for sainthood. Whatever Newt’s “baggage”, it pales next to Obama’s habitual lying and outright corruption - and unlike Obama, Newt is 100% American! Newt is like Larry the Cable Guy: send him to DC and he’ll “Get ‘er done” for all of us. Junkyard dogs are not show dogs, but they’ll save your bacon! I am damn mad at what Obama and his bootlickers have stolen from us - you should be too - and I want someone to represent me. Newt is my man! Go git ‘im, Newt!


20 posted on 02/17/2012 1:45:00 AM PST by bopdowah ("Unlike King Midas, whatever the Gubmint touches sure don't turn to Gold!')
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