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Palin, Obama, Santorum, Romney: The pathway to victory or the road less traveled
February 17, 2011 | techno

Posted on 02/16/2012 11:57:28 PM PST by techno

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To: SatinDoll

Because I already did. There are no real companies. One was a Lobbyist firm that is involved with Health policy. Thomas Sussmann, the guy who worked at that thing, let the cat out of the bag last month on what it was really about. This is why Newt isn’t able to counter Mittens argument that he is the only one with private sector business experience. If Newt also had Executive Experience, he would shut down Milt in a second.


51 posted on 02/17/2012 2:10:11 PM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Lazlo in PA

You’re just ticked off because Santorum is a liar, a hypocrite and one corrupt politician.


52 posted on 02/17/2012 2:14:40 PM PST by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR U.S.A. PRESIDENT)
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To: Lazlo in PA

I am a conservative voter in a primary and choosing who to support for President, I am judging executive TALENT, and EFFECTIVENESS as it serves my conservative goals, not by a typical job definition.

You make a passionate defense for Mitt Romney, but he is a failure as a political executive, he was weak, disastrous, ineffective.

Speaker Gingrich displayed effective leadership, he moved a nation, changed history, he was a “Executive Warrior Chieftain” who proved that he can move mountains, and he did that against a very powerful two term President and 3 term Governor, and the full force of the national media.


53 posted on 02/17/2012 2:14:54 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: ansel12
not by a typical job definition.

Then explain that up front. Words mean things and picking an argument with me over your own impressions when I am purely dealing with facts surrounding the definition of a term does not make sense. My comment to 2ndDiv last night was to point out that Newt doesn't have this quality as understood by general terms just like Santorum, who he was slamming.

BTW, you should know by now I am a solid Santorum guy, not Romney. Just look at who is sprinkling the Pings on Santorum threads.

54 posted on 02/17/2012 2:22:52 PM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: SatinDoll
You’re just ticked off because Santorum is a liar, a hypocrite and one corrupt politician.

LOL. Why would I be ticked off when my guy is beating Milt like a drum in the polls, both nationally and in important state contests? On the other hand, your anger at Rick seems to be stemming from the fact that Newt isn't panning out as the smartest man in the room judging by the disarray his current campaign is in.

55 posted on 02/17/2012 2:26:44 PM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Lazlo in PA

You aren’t dealing with facts, you are the man lying about Newt being a lobbyist, and telling us what a great executive leader Romney was as governor.

If you look at post 48 again you will see me mocking your use of the defined “executive” by countering your Romney claims.

I would say that Gingrich is the candidate with the most demonstrated executive political leadership in this race, by a huge margin.


56 posted on 02/17/2012 2:42:58 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: ansel12
and telling us what a great executive leader Romney was

Quote where I praised Milt in any of my posts. You can't.

On Newt Lobbying, he did it. There are articles everywhere about what these companies actually did by people who worked there. Thomas Susman was a lawyer hired by Newt. Why wouldn't I believe what this man has to say on the subject? He worked there. On Newts lobbying, read this article by a Right Wing writer at a Right Wing source. Companies that hired his firm admit why they did it.

http://nation.foxnews.com/newt-gingrich/2011/11/21/newts-lobbyist-problem

You have to have a total suspension of disbelief to go along with Newts reasoning on this. Call me a liar all you want. Newt did try to convince people and outfits to do things while being payed to do so. What does that add up to in your book?

57 posted on 02/17/2012 3:02:11 PM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Lazlo in PA

Romney, Santorum.

One of them actually is Romney, the other is merely a fan who wanted him for President in 2008, and who is on Romney’s list of veeps.

We know that Romney is the second choice for Santorum voters and that Newt is the man that most of them hate the most.

It is amazing how with Santorum people it so often becomes a Romney versus Gingrich battle.


58 posted on 02/17/2012 3:11:12 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: Lazlo in PA

Laz! Of course Rick Santorum is doing well; he hasn’t yet been broadsided by the Democrats, who I suspect are holding their fire. The reason?

They’re using him to draw most Republican attention, that of social conservatives, using contraception and sterilization as bait. This is of zero concern if SCOTUS upends Obamacare. Rick Santorum predictably grabbed the issue and is foolishly running with it.

“It’s the economy, stupid!” Remember that from 1992?

The Democrats are drawing Republican attention from the real problem; Obama is destroying the United States economy.

It isn’t who has more business experience or who is more pious that is important this national election.

What is important is who in the past thirty years has done more to overhaul government and perpetuate the Reagan Revolution of smaller, more efficient government.

The Democrats and corrupt Republicans (the political whores) in Washington are terrified of Newt Gingrich, because he has promised to change Washington, D.C.

Newt gave us the Republican majority, the Contract with America and completed 2/3rds of his agenda while in office. He resigned when so many of his colleagues rebelled against his proposed budget which would cut a billion dollars out of it; they saw their gravy train leaving Congress, and wanted Gingrich out!

One of those involved in the coup to throw out Newt was Rick Santorum, who entered Congress as a middle class Rep and left a multi-millionaire.

This isn’t about “liking” one candidate over another. This 2012 national election may determine whether this nation survives, or not. I’m looking objectively at who can save our collective ass, and that isn’t Romney or Santorum.


59 posted on 02/17/2012 3:26:35 PM PST by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR U.S.A. PRESIDENT)
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To: ansel12
It is amazing how with Santorum people it so often becomes a Romney versus Gingrich battle.

Wheres that happening exactly? Most of the time Santorum people like me need to defend him from the irrational slams on this thread. That is why I jumped in here last night.

60 posted on 02/17/2012 3:54:28 PM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: SatinDoll
I’m looking objectively at who can save our collective ass, and that isn’t Romney or Santorum.

Well I am looking at who can save us too and it isn't Newt, Milt and Paul in my book.

61 posted on 02/17/2012 3:56:05 PM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Lazlo in PA

So why isn’t Santorum talking about the serious state of our economy?

America on Verge of Economic Collapse Because of Obama’s Cooked Reports
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2847936/posts


62 posted on 02/17/2012 4:01:55 PM PST by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR U.S.A. PRESIDENT)
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To: Lazlo in PA

Your dedicated animosity against the conservative and freerepublic favorite is difficult to understand, it isn’t unusual with Santorum supporters, many of whom, are old Romney supporters.

That isn’t the case with you I don’t think, but it still gets to the Gingrich versus Romney argument.

If you are an old anti-Romney warrior, then you notice many of the old Romneybots now supporting Santorum with you and really despising Newt Gingrich, with you.

The old Romney crowd does not like Gingrich at all, Santorum they can accept, or hide behind, or even prefer this time, depending on the individual.


63 posted on 02/17/2012 4:10:46 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: SatinDoll

He is. You need to familiarize yourself with his stump speeches. He also is the only candidate that will field up to an hour of questions off the cuff from the audience afterwards to cover their concerns.

He just gave a couple speeches today in MI where he even called out Bush for giving Obummer cover for the GM bailouts and discussed the how income inequality is a good thing. Despite what is being pushed my the Hate Rick crowd, he has been covering more than Catholic issues on the trail. That is why he is moving past Milt in the polls and consistently gets high marks from people who claim an allegiance to the Tea Party.

PPP is about to release polling that shows Rick up over Milt in WA by 9%. That is big. Milt has been up there and no one has ever gotten above him till now.


64 posted on 02/17/2012 4:16:48 PM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Lazlo in PA

I live in Washington, Laz. Santorum is not going anywhere in this state. He is dead meat.

Our Republican caucus means nothing. I’m not involved in it because it is meaningless.


65 posted on 02/17/2012 4:24:45 PM PST by SatinDoll (NO FOREIGN NATIONALS AS OUR U.S.A. PRESIDENT)
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To: ansel12

Yesterdays FR favorite isn’t the same as today’s. Winning elections changes things.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2845965/posts?page=6#6

I have no dislike of Newt generally. I would vote for him if he was able to beat Milt, which seems increasingly unlikely now. I do find his supporters constant slamming of Rick baloney and I will fight on his behalf like I have done here at FR since he announced and I was the only one backing him. I don’t really care who else backs him and what their motivations are. Rick was my Senator for 2 terms and was a constant voice of values I believe in. He was a good Senator and will make a great President. Bank on it.


66 posted on 02/17/2012 4:26:42 PM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: SatinDoll

Looks like another state Rick will win in then. If you are going to let your favored candidate twisting in the wind while Ricks supporters show up, Newt has no chance but to lose another state. You fight like hell here where it doesn’t count so why are you not transferring that to help him out in WA? I sure am not sitting around hoping for Rick to win. I am doing something about it.


67 posted on 02/17/2012 4:33:31 PM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Lazlo in PA

I agree with JR, now look at how you keep relentlessly attacking the candidate that JR has endorsed, then look at my posting history, you will notice very little of anything negative about Santorum, except what has just started to leak out a little in the past week or so about why the Santorum supporters are so incredibly hostile to Gingrich, the freerepublic candidate, that is related to our continuing anti-Romney agenda.

If you were strongly anti-Romney, and were on those threads, then you do recognize how many of the Romney crowd are now harshly anti-Gingrich, pro-Santorum posters.

You need to back off of Newt, you are even lying to make attacks on him.


68 posted on 02/17/2012 4:37:35 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: ansel12
You need to back off of Newt, you are even lying to make attacks on him.

I've made no lie. I even cited where my arguments come from. You can choose not to believe these reports, I do.

69 posted on 02/17/2012 4:57:13 PM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Lazlo in PA

So you want to continue a harsh bashing of the freerepublic candidate.

You guys make it almost impossible to get past you to whatever there is to like about Santorum.

You seem personally determined to start a pissing war with the Gingrich supporters.


70 posted on 02/17/2012 5:10:08 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: ansel12
You guys make it almost impossible to get past you to whatever there is to like about Santorum.

Give me a break. Check out the next Santorum thread why don't you. Check out the seething anger we have had to put up with from the Newt people. Also why don't you be honest with yourself and reread this thread and explain to me how I started this? I was calling out a straight up slam from 2ndDiv about Executive Experience. You yourself stated that you were using your own definition for the topic arguing with me.

71 posted on 02/17/2012 5:21:41 PM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Lazlo in PA

All I know is me having to try and counter your BS about Gingrich including the lies of him being a lobbiest.

Along with all the anti-conservative Romney supporters who are now strong Santorum devotees, (and still anti-conservative/Gingrich), we are seeing a ton of long time sleeper accounts coming alive to support Santorum and bash Gingrich.

Just like the Romney sleeper accounts of old, before he was forbidden here. I have yet to see a sleeper account come to life to support Gingrich.


72 posted on 02/17/2012 5:36:57 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: ansel12
Gingrich including the lies of him being a lobbiest.

Refute what I cited to you not using Newts explanation but an impartial 3rd party or stop calling me a lair. You are the one not defending your argument. Use Lie again and I am ignoring you fully in any further debate.

Your argument on Santorum people being Romney plants is BS. I am familiar with almost all of the people on the Ping and who have backed me up over the year pushing Santorum and none have been anything other that people who genuinely care about seeing Rick get into the WH. There a couple Cain and Perry people in there, but they are solid people. What you perceive is mistaken.

73 posted on 02/17/2012 5:44:28 PM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: techno

I was just about to print the post so I could read it later when I noticed the little ‘Note’ at the end.

Wasn’t about to waste any paper on it. Tired of people whose daily political position swings with the latest polls.
JB


74 posted on 02/17/2012 5:47:10 PM PST by thatjoeguy (MAYDAY! MAYDAY! We are so going in ! !)
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To: Lazlo in PA

I responded to you with an explanation for how Gingrich has proven himself a national leader of historical measure, not with an attack on Santorum.

I had to deal with the Romney as Executive nonsense, when he was a total failure at it. You keep lying about Newt being a lobbyist, and if you claim to not see a crossover from Romney to Santorum, then you make yourself unbelievable again. I sure recognize hard core Romney warriors among them, but then again, I was strongly anti-Romney, and fought them on long threads like this.

This sleeper account business is the new thing, they are ALL Santorum supporters.


75 posted on 02/17/2012 5:52:07 PM PST by ansel12 (Romney is unquestionably the weakest party front-runner in contemporary political history.)
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To: Lazlo in PA

Lazlo,

They are just lashing out because Rick is kicking butt and their guy is getting left in the dust. You would think they would be thanking Rick for kicking Romney’s train off the tracks. You will be called a troll or secretive Romneybot next. It has to be some conspiracy, it can’t be their candidate failing.

Seems like some of them hate Rick more than they do Obummer. It’s irrational.


76 posted on 02/17/2012 6:34:44 PM PST by FresnoRobert (When born, you cried and the world rejoiced. Live your life so that when you die, it's reversed.)
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To: b9; MestaMachine; onyx

Remember 2010? When much of the GOP leadership sat on their behinds and convinced each other Obama was too powerful to be defeated? Governor Sarah Palin ran around all over the country raising huge sums of money, fighting Obama and the Left, and generally supporting good Conservative candidates. And we had a huge win. Many others were involved too, but Gov. Palin was certainly instrumental in helping our side gain a whopping 600+ seats.

And still, much of the ‘smart GOP leadership’ won’t listen to her.


77 posted on 02/18/2012 2:48:06 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.~Admiral Yamamoto)
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