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Senate’s Intransigence Should Prompt Repeal of the Seventeenth Amendment
Flopping Aces ^ | 02-20-12 | Leo Shishmanian

Posted on 02/20/2012 1:03:56 PM PST by Starman417

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To: allmendream
I don't recall stating that it was anti-Republic to have popular elections. You are right, they are necessary. My point is that the founders intentionally set apart the mechanisms for seating the members of each body. Appointment by state officials still results in popular elections affecting said appointment. I contend that it is much easier to air grievances and demand accountability from local officials actions than it is from an omnipotent national political party headquartered in D.C. That is the very essence of the TeaParty's appeal. When we show up enmasse at local scenes the powers at large only ignore us at their own peril. I understand your argument for direct election but respectfully disagree that it is a tonic. Why should funding from a national organization like NARAL be allowed to have any bearing on the outcome of seating a State's representative to the Federal legislature if it is not a topic we are basing local elections on? That only ensures more of an impact from the brain dead single issue voters it seems to me.

At this point I am certainly for trying a "new" approach to unseating the lifetime entrenched. I don't see how it could be worse than the current situation. Plus I base my opinion on the fact that I reside in a State with no power of recall or ballot initiative. Therefore power struggles at the state level and local level would be of paramount importance to seeking a change of a Federal Senator.

Anyway thanks for the discussion, I will continue to promote repeal to all I am in contact with as a county executive committeeman.

21 posted on 02/20/2012 3:59:34 PM PST by Kudsman (Without light there exists no shadows.)
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To: Lurker
And another Freeper who thinks he’s smarter than the Founding Fathers opens his yap.

Perhaps it would be better to enlighten the fellow Freeper with the arguments the Founding Fathers made in support of this method rather than yelling sit down and shut up.

22 posted on 02/20/2012 3:59:59 PM PST by ALPAPilot
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To: Starman417

How about this, one Senator from each state, appointed by the Governor and serving at their pleasure.

Effectively they would be ambassadors of the state governments and give the states direct input into the federal legislative process. They would answer to the Governor and the Governor answers to the people of the state. No extended vacancies unlike when the state legislatures choose the Senators and deadlocked.

Also less of an incentive to load up the states with unfunded mandates, because what Governor would want to deal with the fallout from that?


23 posted on 02/20/2012 4:07:41 PM PST by GreenLanternCorps ("Barack Obama" is Swahili for "Jimmy Carter".)
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To: ALPAPilot
Perhaps it would be better to enlighten the fellow Freeper with the arguments the Founding Fathers made in support of this method

You know, the Founding Fathers already kindly did that. They actually wrote them down for us to read. All anyone, including Freepers need to do is Google up "The Federalist Papers", pour a nice glass of wine, and read.

Pretty smart fellers, them Founding Fathers.

24 posted on 02/20/2012 4:17:08 PM PST by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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Pretty smart fellers, them Founding Fathers.

Without a doubt, but I will quote Larry Arnn, President of Hillsdale College and author of the recent The Founders' Key - the Divine and Natural Connection Between the Declaration and the Constitution and What We Risk by Losing It.

That means all of the great questions are subject to dispute. You have to make students dispute them. By the way, the great books are full of those disputes. The lesson of Aristotle's Ethics, without any question, is that there is a right way for a man to live, and to live that way is happiness itself, whatever the exterior circumstances, and to fail to live that way is disaster. That's what he argues. But he argues that in a context in which enormous questions are opened, and have to be debated. You can't have a real understanding unless you do that. And you can't do that just because you've got a good teacher. You've got to really want to do it.

My main point is that all Americans, including Freepers need to understand how the principles of the founding apply to our situation right here right now. That job the founders necessarily left to us.

25 posted on 02/20/2012 5:52:18 PM PST by ALPAPilot
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