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If Newt Can't Recover, We Should Look to an Open Convention... and That Means PALIN
Reaganite Republican ^ | February 21, 2012 | Reaganite Republican

Posted on 02/20/2012 7:59:43 PM PST by Reaganite Republican

In my view, Rich Santorum is weak, a Charlie Brown type character for whom Obama (Lucie) will simply yank the ball away as we head towards massive defeat

Not thanks- if Noot can't come back I'd prefer and open convention, Palin vs. Jeb Bush or some such thing.

Mittens would lose in November due to insufficient contrast and a disgusted GOP base. I agree he's an improvement over Obama, and not a maniacal racist/marxist- BUT ...deeply resent having Romney stuffed down my throat by the GOP old guard. At this point is merely slowing the growth rate of the state sector good enough? Methinks not.

Mark me down for 'Cuda: We used to fear her polling negatives, and honestly I was glad she didn't run. But now, after how all the negative campaigning has played out... Palin looks more than worth a chance since everybody else on the GOP side has suffered similar damage from flailing negative attacks.

All I know for sure is Rich Santorum is NOT going to cut it, my friends... talk about 'settling' for the mediocre, good grief.


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To: madison10

Not as long as he is careful to always stand next to Wrong Paul. Paul looks like he could have one final spasm and pass away at any moment.


51 posted on 02/20/2012 9:09:20 PM PST by MrEdd (Heck? Geewhiz Cripes, thats the place where people who don't believe in Gosh think they aint going.)
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To: madison10

Romney and Santorum are evil and dumb dork vs evil, while Ron paul would be inept vs evil. Newt would be loose zipper vs evil closet queer.


52 posted on 02/20/2012 9:12:07 PM PST by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: jaydee770

You hit it on the nose. The daydreaming here at FR that someone other that the candidates with delegates are going to to quite the convention even if the first ballot fails is almost impossible. Most of the delegates are either chosen by their guy to represent them or are going to be GOP state party grandees who will do the party’s bidding. Palin will have zero people in her corner nor will Bush, Daniels or anyone else.


53 posted on 02/20/2012 9:12:39 PM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: Reaganite Republican

Right now, I root for Newt, but I can also support Sarah!


54 posted on 02/20/2012 9:13:58 PM PST by Tau Food
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To: madison10

Santorum is the one that wouldn’t last long in office; the reason for his sweaters is his chronic pnuemonia.


55 posted on 02/20/2012 9:15:26 PM PST by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: Reaganite Republican

If G.W. Bush can be elected twice then I don’t see Santorum would be such a pushover. I’m not worried about Santorum’s electability. I just think Newt would make a better president. Romney’s electability I would be worried about since the guy is so unlikable, makes so many horrible alienating gaffes to anyone not making over 100 grand a year, and has no campaign strategy other than to attack, attack, attack, which cannot work when your opponent is going to be able to outspend you. Positive always beats negative on an equal playing field.


56 posted on 02/20/2012 9:17:01 PM PST by JediJones
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To: Patrick1

>> “Not this crap again.” <<

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Yep, you’re here ‘til you get the Zot.
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57 posted on 02/20/2012 9:17:26 PM PST by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: madison10

Hum.

If that is the case, how does Ron Paul enjoy the support he has, I wonder.

In all seriousness, I hope Newt’s troubles do not boil down to his looks, I would be shocked if people are that superficial. He isn’t the best looking guy I’ve ever seen, no doubt, and certainly not a perfect human being, but I do have to give the man credit for his mind.


58 posted on 02/20/2012 9:18:40 PM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: editor-surveyor

Why not? Didn’t Newt basically invent Republican coattails in 1994 on a massive scale? The only problem would be these GOP wusses refusing to enthusiastically back him. They would suffer the same fate Romney did in 1994 when he refused to endorse the Contract with American and lost his Senate race by 17 points.


59 posted on 02/20/2012 9:19:05 PM PST by JediJones
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To: Reaganite Republican

Palin never had high negatives, that was all “talking point” nonsense. She pulled a steady 42-48% of the GOP when there were 8 or 9 potential candidates.


60 posted on 02/20/2012 9:21:00 PM PST by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: Longbow1969

get lost troll.....


61 posted on 02/20/2012 9:22:45 PM PST by Bigtigermike
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To: Ron C.

You’ve been here with terminal PDS from day one - no credibility here.


62 posted on 02/20/2012 9:23:28 PM PST by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: Longbow1969

Wow, another PDS troll breaks wind - how surprising.


63 posted on 02/20/2012 9:25:47 PM PST by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: Parley Baer

I agree, my statement was sort of “if Newt fizzles”. I do prefer Newt as President, but if that is not to be, Sarah/Newt is great, and maybe even more “electable”.


64 posted on 02/20/2012 9:26:54 PM PST by matthew fuller (Daniel Hannan is a better "American Citizen" than any Democrat and many Republicans.)
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To: editor-surveyor
Palin would have huge congressional coattails, but I’m not sure Newt could do that.

...and that is exactly what we need! Someone to energize the base, the tea party groups to get out the vote. Palin would do that as none other since Ronald Reagan. This current crop of candidates isn't going to inspire ANYONE!

I'm mystified by all the anti-Palin Freepers who don't "get it". Sarah Palin = GOP landslide. Others = soso victory that won't accomplish much in the badly needed reforms area. Just a GOP victory doesn't necessarily translate to an America saving victory.

65 posted on 02/20/2012 9:27:06 PM PST by upsdriver (We Tea Partiers need Sarah Palin for president.)
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To: upchuck

I’ve met the real Lucy she’s very nice.


66 posted on 02/20/2012 9:27:35 PM PST by Williams (Honey Badger Don't Care)
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To: editor-surveyor

I hope three times this close together is enough for people to realize the GOP power structure is out to destroy mainstream conservatism period. First they destroyed Palin, then they destroyed Newt, and now the long knives are out for Rick. Just look at Drudge if you can stand it. His page is set up with a bunch of lying, misleading, trumped-up anti-Rick headlines and stories just like it was for Newt the day the ABC interview with Marianne Gingrich came out. You still barely get the sense Romney even exists from his page as it’s been all year.

And tonight on Greta one of those Washington reporter types repeated the new meme that the GOP will not let Rick Santorum win the nomination no matter what it takes, and will bring in a new candidate if Romney loses Michigan. They’re saying they’ll put him on the ballot in the 10 or so states still open and then apparently make him the winner at a brokered convention (e.g. Jeb, Daniels, Christie).

This all continues to be completely disgusting and disgraceful. This is a party that is telling us it’s not big enough for the likes of Palin, Newt or Santorum.


67 posted on 02/20/2012 9:28:17 PM PST by JediJones
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To: Lazlo in PA

Wow another troll, Laz of Low, in pa.


68 posted on 02/20/2012 9:30:02 PM PST by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: editor-surveyor

I won’t get the ‘zot’ been a long time member. But conservatives should live in the real world and a brokered convention in modern American politics is impossible. And Sarah Palin is not going to run for President, too big a paycut.


69 posted on 02/20/2012 9:30:02 PM PST by Patrick1 (" Let's all pray Kim Kardashian's divorce won't have an impact on her craft.")
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To: Lazlo in PA

>>...Santorum is connecting with voters in all the upcoming Primary states and is just a few points behind Obummer in today’s Gallup...<<

If turnout in the general is at an all time record low, perhaps he has a chance. But he strikes me as neither a fighter, nor a leader. He will be a goldfish in a bowl full of sharks throughout the general. The most memorable element of his campaign so far is his sweater-vests. Yep, he’s got the “sweater-vest” constituency sewed-up.

He’s a *really* nice guy and that may be his undoing — he comes off as someone who’s never had to get some blood on his knuckles and I bet the dems get the same impression. Can he stand up to what the libs are going to dish out to whoever survives the primary? So far, he doesn’t lend very much confidence in that regard.


70 posted on 02/20/2012 9:35:26 PM PST by jaydee770
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To: JediJones

>> “Didn’t Newt basically invent Republican coattails in 1994 on a massive scale?” <<

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No, really he didn’t. He just recognized the backlash to Clinton’s overreach and jumped on the bandwagon as it rolled by. Public distrust of his ‘contract’ almost derailed it all.


71 posted on 02/20/2012 9:36:18 PM PST by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: JediJones

The GOP establishment has not laid a finger on Santorum, he is their fall-back guy.


72 posted on 02/20/2012 9:39:43 PM PST by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: editor-surveyor

You’re out of your mind. You obviously haven’t been to Drudge today. They are “Newting” Rick by harping on every little statement, blowing them out of proportion, taking them out of context, etc., the same exact thing they did to Newt. And you haven’t listened to the news this weekend at all. If Romney can’t win Michigan, they are planning to either destroy or pull the rug out from under Santorum one way or another. The elites simply will not accept a middle class-raised social conservative like Palin, Newt or Santorum.


73 posted on 02/20/2012 9:49:50 PM PST by JediJones
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To: editor-surveyor

UPDATE: Fox took the poll down but not before the massive voting result had Palin the clear winner-reported as;

Sarah Palin 41.54% (39,539 votes)
Chris Christie 23.34% (22,217 votes)
Paul Ryan 14.52% (13,821 votes)
Jeb Bush 11.89% (11,320 votes)
Mitch Daniels 8.7% (8,280 votes)

A poll asking who they’d support in a brokered convention setting.


74 posted on 02/20/2012 9:49:50 PM PST by upsdriver (We Tea Partiers need Sarah Palin for president.)
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To: editor-surveyor

LOL, what a load of revisionist history. There isn’t a single person out there, Democrat or Republican, no matter how much they hate Newt, who doesn’t give him credit for the 1994 takeover. It was already decided he was going to be the Speaker before the election happened. Everyone knew he was in charge of the whole thing. And the Contract with America was an extremely popular driving force behind it. Of course the Clinton backlash was part of it but there were millions of new voters. There was genuine excitement generated for the Republicans, it wasn’t simply an anti-Clinton vote.


75 posted on 02/20/2012 9:54:49 PM PST by JediJones
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To: MrEdd
Not as long as he is careful to always stand next to Wrong Paul. Paul looks like he could have one final spasm and pass away at any moment.

LOL I had forgotten about Ron Paul. You have a point.

76 posted on 02/20/2012 9:58:11 PM PST by madison10
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To: Bigtigermike; All

“Back in August...she told Hannity that “Mark my words, this will be an unusual election cycle” and then “there’s going to be a lot of coming and going” She knew something was up.”

Great observation there


77 posted on 02/20/2012 10:02:21 PM PST by Reaganite Republican
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To: editor-surveyor

New York Daily News poll results; Only vote once

Would you vote for Sarah Palin if she decided to run?

Yes 53%

No 45%

Not sure 2%


78 posted on 02/20/2012 10:04:42 PM PST by upsdriver (We Tea Partiers need Sarah Palin for president.)
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To: Patrick1

Agree. My first reaction was that this thread is unworthy of a polite response. With a runaway lead in Texas, Santorum is now the hands-down consensus grass-roots candidate. Time for Gingrich to withdraw from MI and deliver Santorum a seismic victory over Romney. With blue-collar appeal, he is without doubt the most electable candidate and comes closest to trailing Obama by a mere 8 points and that on a shoe-string budget.


79 posted on 02/20/2012 10:38:58 PM PST by Steelfish (ui)
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To: matthew fuller
Sarah is Mother Abagail; Obama is Randall Flagg- the “dark man”.

So so so what I am thinking since I know Sarah! Thank you for that. I was looking for a way to express the same. You did it. Thanks :-)
80 posted on 02/20/2012 10:48:56 PM PST by American Dream 246 (Open your eyes. Freedom is not a one day fight. Enemies of Freedom are legion.)
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To: Reaganite Republican

Newt suggested that Santorum leave the race because his numbers weren’t very good and by staying in he splits the conservative vote. He should take his own advice now.


81 posted on 02/20/2012 10:53:56 PM PST by Kevmo (If you can define a man by the depravity of his enemies, Rick Santorum must be a noble soul indeed.)
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To: American Dream 246

You’re very welcome- Tell her what I said- she will appreciate it!


82 posted on 02/20/2012 11:08:03 PM PST by matthew fuller (Daniel Hannan is a better "American Citizen" than any Democrat and many Republicans.)
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To: Lazlo in PA

Polls now are all but meaningless, what till the Obammunist propaganda machine starts defining “Rev Rick”

Why do you think the left is so quiet re. Santorum? Do you think they like his platform?

If nominated, the deluge unleashed upon Santorum will be far beyond even what Palin has faced.

And I’m entitled to my opinion, Lazlo- sorry, Santorum strikes me as a weak person with zero leadership experience and lousy resume.

I don’t have to be impressed with anyone just because the sheeple have flocked


83 posted on 02/20/2012 11:12:34 PM PST by Reaganite Republican
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To: Steelfish
Whatever happen to the long history in this county by letting " THE PEOPLE " decide with their voices in their votes ?
What ever happen to the right to vote ?
So ? if " THE PEOPLE'S " choice is taken away because some are not happy because their guy ain't making it or winning enough delegates... we have a brokered convention... a really commie kind of thing to do to take away " THE PEOPLE'S right to make their voices heard in their votes.
I always thought this kind of thing happens in Communist Countries.

84 posted on 02/20/2012 11:18:13 PM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: Lazlo in PA; Reaganite Republican; editor-surveyor

Lazlo in PA is right on point. Stop this troll nonsense. Is that all you anti-Santorum folks have to offer.

We are trying to stop Romney at any cost. This is the central mission at hand. If you think why a Gingrich withdrawal in MI will not assist this goal argue your case. Who know’s you folks may have a point. But simply engaging in visceral stuff gets us nowhere.

Rush Limbaugh and Mark Levin have all but endorsed Santorum as the last remaining viable candidate to beat Obama, and even conservative publications like The Washington Times, The American Spectator, Townhall, and National Review have come around to saying the same thing. The question for all of us is not Gingrich’s politics, although that does matter, but at this stage of the game its a question of electability.

To paraphrase Donald Rumsfeld, we got to war with what we have. And if Santorum is within reach of beating Romney in his home state, and making this a 2-person race, it befits Gingrich to strategically withdraw in MI. I believe many of us who are behind Santorum would have said the same thing if the numbers were reversed in Gingrich’s favor. This is not and never has been about bashing Gingrich or anyone else or creating “fan” clubs.

It comes to down to the best options we have to defeat Romney. Let’s face some hard facts. Gingrich’s negatives are through the cellar, he’s opening up a +20 point difference with female voters, he lost to Romney in every key demographic in FL, and while Santorum trails Obama by 8 points in the recent USA-Gallup, Gingrich is behind by as much as 15 points and more. More alarming, Santorum is even nipping at the heels of Gingrich’s GA and has just opened up a Grand Canyon lead in 155 delegate-rich Texas.

Or do we have Machiavellian politics at play here? Could it be that Gingrich doesn’t want to withdraw from the MI primary is because should Santorum win, his momentum from this seismic event will sweep Gingrich as well in the Super- Tuesday tsunami?

When you join a resistance, you work with allies to defeat a common enemy of conservatism. Either we close ranks and get behind Santorum as Levin advocates or we splinter and fail.

Should any third party individual come in at a fantasy brokered convention, it would irreparably harm the conservative movement and assure an easy re-election for Obama.


85 posted on 02/20/2012 11:22:59 PM PST by Steelfish (ui)
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To: DustyMoment

I agree with most every word you say here Dusty, but I’m not jumping on a ‘brokered convention bandwagon’

Rather, the character assassination of Newt Gingrich by the old guard GOP and Romney campaign was the last straw for me... I’m not voting for him, I’m disgusted... and to me Santorum is a guaranteed loser

It’s not a fad, from where I’m standing, brokered convention is the only hop I’ve got left


86 posted on 02/20/2012 11:29:47 PM PST by Reaganite Republican
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To: Reaganite Republican
How about that, because some people are not happy because their guy Newt won't get to be crowned King, and get his crown and throne.... now they have to take away " THE PEOPLE'S " right, the people's voice in their votes away from them....

After all ? it's the mighty Commie thing to do.
87 posted on 02/20/2012 11:32:19 PM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: DustyMoment
while I like her and would love to see her as our candidate, I believe that she would split the party. Too many people DON’T like Sarah and will stay home in November.

The GOP is already split. About 23% (or less) are for Romney, or can even tolerate him. About 77% are rabidly anti-Romney, and anti- whatever RINO they might put up to replace him.

This fight is long overdue. The nation will not survive another RINO.

88 posted on 02/21/2012 12:10:30 AM PST by meadsjn (Sarah 2012, or sooner)
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To: Reaganite Republican

She would have 9 weeks. Yes we can elect her...Palin/Demint


89 posted on 02/21/2012 2:17:30 AM PST by personalaccts (Is George W going to protect the border?)
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To: Reaganite Republican

If only. My checkbook is ready.


90 posted on 02/21/2012 3:40:18 AM PST by AdaGray
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To: stickywillie
and our ears are turned back as we head to victory in ‘12

I am but one vote, but think of myself as typical of many that watch from the sidelines.

In 2008, I could not believe the momentum a very weak RINO candidate (McCain) had generated within the GOP machine.

Most conservatives, along with typical Americans like myself, were left standing on the sidelines, watching the Party mechanisms on both sides, pick our candidates.

I was in DC for the 09/11/2010 March on DC.

And I strongly believe that millions have been keeping their powder dry.

We saw what a weak GOP candidate could do to us - Bring us what is potentially the most dangerous administration of this country's existence.

Folks - This is not over, and what many have come to recognize as an anti-Romney movement is actually just a Pro-American movement - One that will resist the establishment as picking the one to sit in the Oval Office.

91 posted on 02/21/2012 4:37:39 AM PST by Dustoff45 (A good woman brings out the best in a good man! A better woman might be just what this nation needs)
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To: Reaganite Republican

I voted for Santorum in the Florida primary with some trepidation but I’d whole heartedly support a Palin run.


92 posted on 02/21/2012 4:44:12 AM PST by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) Hey Mitt, F-you too pal)
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To: AdaGray

“If only. My checkbook is ready”

You and me both, Ada... and we’re not the only ones


93 posted on 02/21/2012 5:18:56 AM PST by Reaganite Republican
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To: madison10

I agree....she can not win...period


94 posted on 02/21/2012 5:24:51 AM PST by southphilly (Why in American is ever State not a right to work state?)
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95 posted on 02/21/2012 8:01:27 AM PST by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: Patrick1
And Sarah Palin is not going to run for President, too big a paycut.

Running for president and losing would mean a huge blow to the sales of books, TV shows, speaking engagements, etc.

Running for president and winning means 24/7/365 with the world's most stressful job and endless media scrutiny.

Palin clearly gets this. Many of her fans? Not so much.

96 posted on 02/21/2012 8:32:52 AM PST by gdani
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To: Steelfish; Lazlo in PA; Reaganite Republican

No, we are not trying to stop Romney “at any cost.”

We have to stop his essential twin Santorum too, and saving the country is the real goal that you ricky sycophants can’t seem to embrace.

The goal is not to provide a short bus to the GOP nomination for the short bus ex senator.

So take your own advice, and stop the low brow trolling.


97 posted on 02/21/2012 8:35:52 AM PST by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: JediJones

You can give Newt credit for anything you wish, but I’ll stick with the reality. Clinton did it in ‘94, just as Bush did it in 2006.


98 posted on 02/21/2012 8:41:59 AM PST by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: editor-surveyor
The goal is not to provide a short bus to the GOP nomination for the short bus ex senator.

It would appear you are the one riding the short bus considering that no one else is endeavored in this goal except for the Milt campaign, the establishment Rove types and a smattering of Newt supporters in meltdown because his campaign is in desperately sad shape.

99 posted on 02/21/2012 8:53:34 AM PST by Lazlo in PA (Now living in a newly minted Red State.)
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To: editor-surveyor; NavVet; American Constitutionalist; Lazlo in PA; All

You keep missing something in your blind belief that Newt is electable against all the odds staring in your face. They have a name for it- ostriches who bury their heads in the sand. Newt is going down in flames and should Romney pull it off in MI, you will see an avalanche of criticism from conservative circles how Newt’s ego gave us Romney. Today’s Gallup shows Santorum within reach of Obama. Newt is an also-ran who can be seen in the rear mirror. So before you are left behind in the dust, wake up from your stupor and see reality staring in your face. If the only thing you and your ilk have got is to call people who disagree with your point of view as “trolls” it goes to show how blinkered you are devoid of any real argument you can muster except as one with a cult-like affectation.


100 posted on 02/21/2012 8:58:43 AM PST by Steelfish (ui)
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