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Pat Buchanan Oddly Thinks Israel is a Bigger Threat Than Iran
Yahoo! News Contributor Network ^ | February 22, 2012 | Mark Whittington

Posted on 02/22/2012 4:19:15 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

Pat Buchanan, the columnist, author, and until recently MSNBC's token right-winger, garnered a lot of sympathy when he was fired from his job at the left-leaning news network apparently because of a book he wrote.

Too bad, as reported in the Daily Caller, Buchanan had to ruin things by articulating how obnoxious his views really are. In essence, he suggested that Israel with its 300 estimated nuclear weapons was a bigger threat to the United States than is Iran with its nuclear program on Russian television.

Buchanan went on about how his favorite Jewish conspiracy, which he called the "neocons," is itching for war with Iran, for no good reason according to him.

Mind, by Buchanan's logic, Great Britain and France are really big threats, owing to the fact that they have nuclear arsenals as well.

Buchanan makes a common mistake that other people such as Ron Paul have made to equate Iran having nuclear weapons to the old Soviet Union having nuclear weapons. The Soviet Union during the Cold War, just as Iran is today, was run by murderers and thugs. Yet the Soviets did not launch a nuclear strike at the United States because it knew that the USSR would have been annihilated by the retaliation attack. By that logic, Israel's nuclear arsenal would provide a sufficient deterrent against Iran using whatever nuclear weapons it acquires.

Only it won't. Unlike the leaders of the old Soviet Union, the rulers of the Iranian theocracy do not care if their country is destroyed in a nuclear war. For the rulers of Iran, a nuclear strike on Israel would be the ultimate suicide bombing....

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TOPICS: Conspiracy; Military/Veterans; Politics; Religion
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1 posted on 02/22/2012 4:19:28 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
What is with this guy? When he was on MSNBC, he was sympathetic to Sarah Palin and so many other women conservatives, but he's completely nuts on Jews and Israel.
2 posted on 02/22/2012 4:23:46 PM PST by miss marmelstein
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Here is the original piece and the RT/KGB porpoganda cast
http://www.therightscoop.com/buchanan-israel-a-bigger-threat-to-america-than-iran/


3 posted on 02/22/2012 4:26:31 PM PST by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I think the headline was supposed to be: “Pat Buchanan Oddly Thinks”.


4 posted on 02/22/2012 4:28:42 PM PST by SuzyQue
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

300?

I thought Carter outed them as having only 150.


5 posted on 02/22/2012 4:28:59 PM PST by Winstons Julia (Hello OWS? We don't need a revolution like China's; China needs a revolution like OURS.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Don't agree with most of what Buchanan said, but when he suggested Isreal is a more of a threat he may have meant a threat to Iran.

Which I would also disagree with.

6 posted on 02/22/2012 4:30:35 PM PST by skeeter
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I’m sure he’ll say more controversial things now that he’s off of MSNBC. I know he always attack Israel while he worked there though. Maybe Fox News will hire him.


7 posted on 02/22/2012 4:31:12 PM PST by Politics4US
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I think this is an excellent teachable moment. It provides some insight into how people like Buchanan and Paul think. They lack analytical skills and have little common sense. They are rules-based. Since 300 > 5 (or whatever Iran is about to have) they compute that Israel is a greater threat.


8 posted on 02/22/2012 4:33:22 PM PST by plain talk
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Unlike the leaders of the old Soviet Union, the rulers of the Iranian theocracy do not care if their country is destroyed in a nuclear war. For the rulers of Iran, a nuclear strike on Israel would be the ultimate suicide bombing.

He's got that right.
On the flip side, is if the Muslims get atomic weaponry and don't use it on Israel, or us Infidels, they are going to hell. - tom

9 posted on 02/22/2012 4:33:22 PM PST by Capt. Tom
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

The headline can be punctuated by a period after the word “thinks.”


10 posted on 02/22/2012 4:39:09 PM PST by freedumb2003 (Spoiler Alert! The secret to Terra Nova: THEY ARE ALL DEAD!!!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

In a way Buchanan is right but only if you’re a muslim.

Israel’s not-so-secret Mutually Assured Destruction policy with the muzzies is that if one or more Israeli cities is subjected to an attempted or successful nuclear attack then Israel will respond by annihilating some 214 muslim population centers.

This is why you have Saudi Arabia and the rest of the Arab world curiously silent on the topic of Israel preemptively striking Iran’s nuclear capabilities. They *want* Israel to hit Iran because they know Iran absolutely will trigger Israel’s MAD policy.

I can’t say that I would mind.


11 posted on 02/22/2012 4:40:24 PM PST by MeganC (No way in Hell am I voting for Mitt Romney. Not now, not ever. Deal with it.)
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To: Capt. Tom

b.s.


12 posted on 02/22/2012 4:41:01 PM PST by brivette
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Pat has never liked the Joos. He’s a kook. Like a broken clock he’s right twice a day. This isn’t one of those times.


13 posted on 02/22/2012 4:43:17 PM PST by VRWC For Truth (Throw the bums out who vote yes on the bailout)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Can someone explain how the USA benefits from from its relationship with Isreal? Why would we want to get in a war with Iran for Isreal?

I don’t think Pat has a problem with Jews or Isreal, he does have a problem with the USA acting against what he believes are its own interests. USA’s and Isreal’s interests are not in the same.


14 posted on 02/22/2012 4:48:09 PM PST by FightThePower! (Fight the powers that be!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Say good night Pat.


15 posted on 02/22/2012 4:55:11 PM PST by hadaclueonce (scrap copper is more than $3.00 a pound. wind generators are full of copper)
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To: MeganC
Until Mr. Obama unilaterally disarms us, one Trident missile submarine can destroy 192 cities. We have 14 such submarines, plus 4 conversions to guided missiles.
16 posted on 02/22/2012 4:55:25 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.~Admiral Yamamoto)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I really don’t care what the lying MSM calls Pat Buchanan because they are mostly manipulative liberal propagandists working to divide us.

To be honest I like Pat Buchanan because he, just like Lou Dobbs is one the few USA patriots still left in the MSM that supports defending USA borders and USA industry first.

Most of these MSM traitors support putting the USA interests somewhere between 2nd or 4th place. If the USA goes to war it must be in only our USA interest first.

Allow me to define Patriot: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriot and it does not represent the MSM.


17 posted on 02/22/2012 5:05:58 PM PST by apoliticalone (Honest govt. that operates in the interest of US sovereignty and the people, not global $$$)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I really don’t care what the lying MSM calls Pat Buchanan because they are mostly manipulative liberal propagandists working to divide us.

To be honest I like Pat Buchanan because he, just like Lou Dobbs is one the few USA patriots still left in the MSM that supports defending USA borders and USA industry first.

Most of these commie MSM traitors support putting the USA interests somewhere between 2nd or 4th place. If the USA goes to war it must be in only our USA interest first.

Allow me to define Patriot: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Patriot and it does not represent the MSM.


18 posted on 02/22/2012 5:06:45 PM PST by apoliticalone (Honest govt. that operates in the interest of US sovereignty and the people, not global $$$)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Pat Buchanan won the New Hampshire debate and looked like a good conservative candidate, but then he crashed and burned and we got stuck with Bob Dole. For a little while, I supported Pat, but then it became evident that he really was—and apparently still is—antisemitic.

Another kook, I’m afraid.


19 posted on 02/22/2012 5:20:32 PM PST by Cicero (Marcus Tullius)
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To: FightThePower!
I will explain it so that even an admirer of “Pat” could understand it.

That is a dangerous region of the world. We have only one friend in that region. We appear as if we keep them on a short leash, and threaten that if things don't go as we wish them to, we might remove the leash.

USA directly benefited from Iraq not having a nuclear bomb or bombs - and that was a direct result of Israel and our support of Israel.

Supporting Israel is in the short and long term interest of these United States. It is not a Jewish conspiracy - it is the real world situation.

20 posted on 02/22/2012 5:27:23 PM PST by allmendream (Tea Party did not send the GOP to D.C. to negotiate the terms of our surrender to socialism.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
The liberal media is smearing Pat Buchanan like they have done to Palin.

I don't believe anything in the liberal mainstream media.

They know how to lie, twist , take out of context etc. The media are pure evil marxist/democrat activists. The media are the most evil creatures I have ever witnessed. The media has run this country for 100 years, growing government and pushing the U.S. towards socialism. Now the media has us going into the abyss with all this spending by their candidate Obama which the media installed by smearing Sarah Palin. The media are fully responsible for every problem we have.

21 posted on 02/22/2012 5:41:24 PM PST by Democrat_media (China is destroying all our jobs and manufacturing ability. China makes everything.)
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To: apoliticalone
“I really don’t care what the lying MSM calls Pat Buchanan because they are mostly manipulative liberal propagandists working to divide us.

To be honest I like Pat Buchanan because he, just like Lou Dobbs is one the few USA patriots still left in the MSM that supports defending USA borders and USA industry first.

Most of these commie MSM traitors support putting the USA interests somewhere between 2nd or 4th place. If the USA goes to war it must be in only our USA interest first.”

Great post and very true.

The media said Palin caused that killer to shoot that congresswoman and other people. So are we to believe them then and here too? The media are traitors , they are for destroying the U.S. border and the U.S. and they are for destroying Palin and Buchanan and anything that is good.

22 posted on 02/22/2012 5:45:56 PM PST by Democrat_media (China is destroying all our jobs and manufacturing ability. China makes everything.)
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To: FightThePower!
1. At least learn to spell ISRAEL.
2. "USA’s and Isreal’s (sic) interests are not in the same." What exactly does this mean in your world?
3. The mullahs of Iran have repeatedly referred to the USA as 'The Great Satan".
4. Israel has the right to defender herself against her enemies, whether we like it or not.
5. Obergruppenfuhrer Pat Buchanan is an anti-Semite and has proved this repeatedly.
6. Which country in the Middle East is of greater strategic interest to the US? Iran or Israel?
7. "Nothing in all the world is more dangerous than sincere ignorance and conscientious stupidity." (MLK, brainyquote.com)
23 posted on 02/22/2012 6:01:14 PM PST by sofaman (An enemy generally says and believes what he wishes. Thomas Jefferson)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
Iran wants to own nuclear weapons, threatens Israel with extinction daily and Buchanan the wise has no problem with that.
Israel has had nuclear weapons for at least 40 years, and they have not threatened anyone with destruction daily.

So which country does this fruitcake identify as a great threat?

Speaks for itself.

24 posted on 02/22/2012 6:02:36 PM PST by Publius6961 (My world was lovely, until it was taken over by parasites.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Oddly? I think it would only seem odd to someone who hasn’t noticed already that Buchanan is a not very closeted antisemite.


25 posted on 02/22/2012 6:04:39 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: Publius6961
I'm not sure which FReeper came up with this line, but it is brilliant in it's simplicity ....

"Come on now everyone, we should feel sorry for Pat Buchanan, his uncle died in Auschwitz. He fell out of a guard tower."

26 posted on 02/22/2012 6:08:17 PM PST by sofaman (An enemy generally says and believes what he wishes. Thomas Jefferson)
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To: FightThePower!

Israel is our only reliable ally in one of the most important strategic regions in the world, one which is bound to become more important in the future and not less. Besides Israel, there is not a single country in that area with which we could ally and have any kind of true confidence in their support if a conflict were to emerge in the region.

Israel is one of our most valuable partners in the war against terrorists, for many reasons. Their experience dealing with terrorists and their tactics is unparalleled, they have developed strategies to deal with them that are effective, and they have the most competetant, reliable, and comprehensive intelligence apparatus in the Muslim world. Without their help, we would be hard pressed to duplicate those advantages, if it were even possible.

They are also a key purchaser of many of our military systems, and not only are they more competent at maintaining and operating them than most of our partners, they have continually come up with innovations to these systems which they have shared freely with us. Many Israeli innovations have been incorporated back into our own systems, saving us money and increasing our military’s effectiveness. They also happen to be one of the world’s leading powers in the emerging realm of cyber-warfare, where they are probably in the top 3 countries, along with the US and China.


27 posted on 02/22/2012 6:23:00 PM PST by Boogieman
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To: FightThePower!
USA’s and Israel’s interests are not in the same.

That's the key point.

28 posted on 02/22/2012 6:27:20 PM PST by DNA.2012
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To: apoliticalone
And what interest do we have in allowing Iran to have nuclear weapons given the following:
1. Iran's leaders have a declared intention of destroying the "Great Satan", the US.
2. Iranian people, or a large segment at rallies, support this and chant "Death to America".
3. Iran's previous, "moderate president", Rafsanjani indicated willingness to lose 1/2 of Iran's population in a nuclear exchange.
4. Saudi Arabia has declared that it will seek nukes if Iran gets them. Turkey and Egypt may follow.

To be blunt, losing which American city is in our national interest?

29 posted on 02/22/2012 6:33:59 PM PST by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Buchannan is an Effing Sodomite and Anti-Semitic A-hole!


30 posted on 02/22/2012 6:34:23 PM PST by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: FightThePower!
Can someone explain how the USA benefits from from its relationship with Isreal? Why would we want to get in a war with Iran for Isreal?
I don’t think Pat has a problem with Jews or Isreal, he does have a problem with the USA acting against what he believes are its own interests. USA’s and Isreal’s interests are not in the same.

Buchanan can be the Middle East expert at the University of Iran, or Obama University. The Sampson Option and educate yourself. A book written by a reporter definitely NOT sympathetic to Israel.
Among other gems the book asserts that the first Israeli targets during the height of the cold war was...

The southern Soviet Union! Same country as the US nuclear targets.
Why do you suppose?
The notion that the U.S. would demand that Israel today risk physical anihilation to appease a cartel that would be criminally prosecuted in the U.S. is shameful, immoral and impossible to justify.

31 posted on 02/22/2012 6:37:14 PM PST by Publius6961 (My world was lovely, until it was taken over by parasites.)
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To: AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Berosus; bigheadfred; Bockscar; ColdOne; Convert from ECUSA; ...

Thanks 2ndDivisionVet. This is nothing new for Pitchfork Pat; it was his idea that President Ronald Reagan lay a wreath at Bitberg while refusing to visit Dachau. Buchanan once wrote that the extreme left and extreme right were natural allies.
32 posted on 02/22/2012 7:46:02 PM PST by SunkenCiv (FReep this FReepathon!)
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To: rmlew

OK - the MSM reported something and you believe it. If you trust and believe them that is your prerogative. Millions of Americans have and do, and that’s why we have become immersed in their propaganda. The last source in the world that I will ever blindly believe and trust is the USA MSM.

If the MSM says it is black it is really white. They want us to think it is black because their owners have investments in black pigment. Is that being overly cynical or is it based upon their history of misreporting? Glenn Beck knows how the USA media works. They report only what they are told to do from politicians and interests.

They are a major factor in the untold corruption within the USA.


33 posted on 02/22/2012 7:46:04 PM PST by apoliticalone (Honest govt. that operates in the interest of US sovereignty and the people, not global $$$)
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To: FightThePower!

It wouldn’t be “a war with Iran for Israel” as you put it. Iran could threaten Saudi Arabia, Iraq, Kuwait, the UAE, Turkey and many other countries in the area, with just the missiles they have now. Many of those places provide a lot of the world’s oil. Imagine the world economy (including ours) with no oil.


34 posted on 02/22/2012 8:11:51 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.~Admiral Yamamoto)
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To: apoliticalone
OK - the MSM reported something and you believe it. If you trust and believe them that is your prerogative. Millions of Americans have and do, and that’s why we have become immersed in their propaganda. The last source in the world that I will ever blindly believe and trust is the USA MSM.
Actually, I also trust the media from Israel and the UK and from what I have heard speaking to Iranain expats and refugees. But let me guess, you get your news from Alex Jones and KGB TV/RT
35 posted on 02/23/2012 10:04:22 AM PST by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: sofaman
"Come on now everyone, we should feel sorry for Pat Buchanan, his uncle died in Auschwitz. He fell out of a guard tower."

A Pat Buchanan thread just isn't complete until somebody posts that joke.

36 posted on 02/23/2012 10:08:13 AM PST by dfwgator (Don't wake up in a roadside ditch. Get rid of Romney.)
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To: rmlew

I don’t trust the USA media because have motives, and they want profits and they want to convince the masses of their motives. There is only one country in the world that I give a flying xxxx about. It is the only country that will always be the homeland for my progeny. The others mean nothing to me. I care about the USA. Do I care if others get wiped off the face of the Earth? Yes but in comparison to the USA it means nothing.


37 posted on 02/23/2012 4:46:15 PM PST by apoliticalone (Honest govt. that operates in the interest of US sovereignty and the people, not global $$$)
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To: apoliticalone

Iran’s governing Mullahs have called for the destruction of the US on multiple occasions. They have funded and armed terrorists, who attack Americans. If you care about the US, how can you not consider Iran a threat?


38 posted on 02/23/2012 4:55:31 PM PST by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
In essence, he suggested that Israel with its 300 estimated nuclear weapons was a bigger threat to the United States than is Iran with its nuclear program on Russian television.

That's not actually what he said. Listen to the clip.

Buchanan may have been wrong. He may have been outrageous. But it's not what he said, or suggested.

When the writer doesn't actually quote the words he wants people to get so angry about it can be a sign that he's not up front about what happened.

39 posted on 02/23/2012 5:01:02 PM PST by x
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To: rmlew

No country is a military threat to the USA especially Iran. Our only real threat is the ongoing loss of our liberty and treasury and the fascists who want more for them and less for the USA. Which is exactly what this so called WOT is now doing to us, while making a select few greedy sleazy opportunists rich, and giving corrupt politicians and media the ability to control the foolish masses.

We need to end this war on terror now politically before our children and grandchildren have neither liberty nor country. Another trillion dollar war will destroy us. We need real Patriots instead of owned neocon dual loyalist political opportunists.


40 posted on 02/23/2012 5:31:14 PM PST by apoliticalone (Honest govt. that operates in the interest of US sovereignty and the people, not global $$$)
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To: apoliticalone
I appreciate your honesty.

No country is a military threat to the USA especially Iran.
I guess an American city being nuked wouldn't be a military threat? Being forced out of the Persian Gulf wouldn't be a threat? Nuclear proliferation to Saudi Arabia and Egypt would also pose no threat?

Our only real threat is the ongoing loss of our liberty and treasury and the fascists who want more for them and less for the USA. Which is exactly what this so called WOT is now doing to us, while making a select few greedy sleazy opportunists rich, and giving corrupt politicians and media the ability to control the foolish masses.
You have no concept of how limited our civil liberties would be if a terrorist group nukes an American city. You will pine for today.

. Another trillion dollar war will destroy us.
Pardon me while I torch your strawman. No one is calling for full invasion much less occupation.

We need real Patriots instead of owned neocon dual loyalist political opportunists.
We certainly do need patriots. But patriotism is love of country not obsessive paranoia. The dual loyalty canard was always puerile attempt to silence opposition, no better than me calling you an antisemite for no reason. Today, this canard is completely unsupportable. Noeconservatives are joining liberals in supporting the Muslim Brotherhood takeover of Syria, just as they did in Egypt (a former allie), Tunisia, and in Libya where they and the Obama regime were virtually allied with Al Qaeda in the Maghreb. Surrounding Israel with Sunni Salafists is a threat to Israel, not as dire as a nuclear Iran, but a grave threat. It restores the situation of the 1960s and 1970s, where Israel was in constant struggle.

41 posted on 02/23/2012 7:28:55 PM PST by rmlew ("Mosques are our barracks, minarets our bayonets, domes our helmets, the believers our soldiers.")
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