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Obama Could Lose The Way Carter Did.
Yahoo News ^ | Feb 23 2012 | John A. Tures

Posted on 02/25/2012 3:27:56 PM PST by johnatures

The talk among college professors, students and those in the conservative southern community I live in, is that Barack Obama is going to win big, whether one wants it to happen or not. The other day, someone said it could be as big a victory as FDR's overwhelming reelection in 1936.

I pointed out that Democrats would do well to remember the lessons of the 1980 election. Others in the conversation dismissed such talk. After all, Obama's got a big lead in the polls. According to realclearpolitics.com polls, Obama is opening up big leads in Associated Press polls and even in Rasmussen Tracking surveys, which always favor Republicans. A Franklin & Marshall poll had Obama winning the battleground state of Pennsylvania, even thumping native son Rick Santorum!

But we have a lot of myths about the 1980 election. According to Will Rogers, the Larry the Cable Guy of the 1930s, said a myth is "what we know, that ain't necessarily so!"

Sure Reagan took 44 states and 489 electoral votes in 1980, compared to 49 for President Jimmy Carter. But Reagan only won 50.7 percent of the vote, while Carter got 41 percent and John B. Anderson picked up the rest. As recently as October 26, a Gallup poll had Carter ahead 47 percent to Reagan's 39 percent. Reagan's comeback was so remarkable that Gallup had seen nothing like it since they began polling in 1936.

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TOPICS: Politics
KEYWORDS: 1980election; carter; drill; economy; gasoline; newt; obama; republican

1 posted on 02/25/2012 3:28:05 PM PST by johnatures
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To: johnatures

we need a green party candidate to run
someone to take votes away from Obama


2 posted on 02/25/2012 3:31:17 PM PST by Mr. K (Were the Soviet-Era propogandists as gleefully willing as our Lame-stream Media?)
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To: johnatures

we need a green party candidate to run
someone to take votes away from Obama


3 posted on 02/25/2012 3:31:35 PM PST by Mr. K (Were the Soviet-Era propogandists as gleefully willing as our Lame-stream Media?)
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To: johnatures

ONE problem: the media of Carter’s time reported the truth a LOT more evenly than now.


4 posted on 02/25/2012 3:31:58 PM PST by SumProVita (Cogito, ergo...Sum Pro Vita. (Modified Decartes))
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To: SumProVita

The media were universally liberal in 1980. There was no Fox News. There was no Rush Limbaugh. There was no Internet. They had a complete monopoly on what messages go out. They were relentlessly liberal. I think surveys at the time found liberals at 85 percent of the media. Today, of course, it’s 99 percent and they are further left than they were in 1980. But, they were pretty far left then. They would do anything to get Carter re-elected.


5 posted on 02/25/2012 3:37:45 PM PST by WashingtonSource
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To: SumProVita

We must have lived through differnet carter-eras. Lib MSM was no different, they pimped Jimah right til the end.


6 posted on 02/25/2012 3:40:03 PM PST by X-spurt (Its time for ON YOUR FEET or on your knees)
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To: SumProVita

Exactly and also our culture wasn’t at an all time low like it is today with so many receiving welfare and embracing the “ghetto” way of life


7 posted on 02/25/2012 3:40:07 PM PST by PeachyKeen
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To: SumProVita
OTOH we have the Internet and all the social media connections we didn't have back them. PP>EX: Did you listen to Newt speaking at the California State Republican meeting today. Besides the people that were there, there were at least two streams running and CNN (one of them) will have it posted later on their website.

The speech was right on target and is spreading like wild fire. Can Obama, Romney spend enough on negative advertising to contradict TRUTH?

8 posted on 02/25/2012 3:40:59 PM PST by hoosiermama (Stand with God and Sarah, the Gipper and Newt will be standing next to you.)
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To: johnatures

If Obama is even still in the running at this point it means we deserve even worse than what Sodom and Gomorrah got. There’s no way to salvage a country that is that depraved.


9 posted on 02/25/2012 3:41:54 PM PST by butterdezillion
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To: johnatures
I foresee a sweep of Tea Party Patriots this coming November.

Obama fatigue is an undeniable reality because of his job-killing regulations and socialist programs that have sent the economy into a sharp nosedive. His defeat can be reassured if genuine Conservative Americans such as the Koch Brothers, Sheldon Adelson and other job creators plaster the airwaves and other media with this chart:

When Newt Gingrich's Contract with America was in effect, Clinton and his ilk were neutralized. And thus, with Conservative principles triumphing, began the era of 4.2% unemployment, gasoline for less than a dollar and yearly budget surpluses. I think that Americans are ready to embrace a President Gingrich since it means a return to prosperity and plentiful, inexpensive energy.

10 posted on 02/25/2012 3:42:20 PM PST by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas.)
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To: johnatures

Driven by tech, the secular trend is towards more and more sources of media —the activist Presstitutes KNOW their days as Gatekeepers are numbered.

They believe this is their last stand as media dominators —the leverage they have now will soon go away. The MSM won’t disappear completely, no, but they know that going forward (with 5 or 10 Drudges, and not just one, as now) coverage will be more balanced, whether they like it or not —THAT is the power of an efficient infoMarket.

THIS TIME, the MSM will jettison ANY semblance of even-handedness and shoot EVERYTHING in their arsenal against the opponent of the Muslim Bisexual.

“USE it or lose it”, is their thinking.

Midway was fought by them and lost, and now we’re coming up on Guadacanal, I’d say...


11 posted on 02/25/2012 3:48:36 PM PST by gaijin
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To: johnatures
According to Will Rogers, the Larry the Cable Guy of the 1930s, said a myth is "what we know, that ain't necessarily so!"

That's pretty insulting to Will Rogers, comparing him to the cable guy. But let that pass. I have a better definition of Myth: "What never was true, and always will be."

12 posted on 02/25/2012 3:52:12 PM PST by hinckley buzzard
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To: johnatures

This moonbat writer is so full of it. The only poll at real clear that shows Obama with a so-called “big lead” is AP. Even that is only 8 points. All others show Obama tied or within margin.

Gallup has a daily tracker with Obama facing off against Romney and Santorum. Yesterday’s showed Obama losing to Romney by 4. And is up on Santorum by 1 (not exactly “big”).

Secondly he forgets to mention that Obama should be leading as the GOP candidates are in middle of nomination which splits support. Whereas Dems are fully behind Obama.

He tries to suggest that even in conservative circles Obama is inevitable. LOL... I don’t know anyone who thinks Obama is on his way to a romp.

Not with $16 trillion in debt, $5 gas, ZERO net jobs created. Etc.

This piece is laughable.


13 posted on 02/25/2012 3:54:15 PM PST by nhwingut (Sarah Palin 12... No One Else (Maybe Tim Thomas))
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To: johnatures
According to realclearpolitics.com polls, Obama is opening up big leads in Associated Press polls and even in Rasmussen Tracking surveys, which always favor Republicans. A Franklin & Marshall poll had Obama winning the battleground state of Pennsylvania, even thumping native son Rick Santorum!

Expected. During a bloody primary, the opposing incumbant gets a temporary boost. The attention is off the incumbant's performance, especially a miserably-performing one.

Once a candidate is selected, it will be a much more accurate telling, since the focus will be, not on the damage intrafighing is doing, but instead, on the true contenders in the race.

14 posted on 02/25/2012 3:59:16 PM PST by Lazamataz (If unemployment helps the economy, like the W.H. says, then CONTRACTING CANCER MAKES YOU HEALTHIER!)
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To: nhwingut

Your nay-saying is deplorable:

I KNOW you know that algae and chicken-fat gas is going to turn everything around....

/sarc


15 posted on 02/25/2012 4:01:13 PM PST by gaijin
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To: johnatures

Shoa! Coonsider this: Would Caarter have lost had he been black?


16 posted on 02/25/2012 4:02:48 PM PST by Paperdoll
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To: johnatures

Whoa! Coonsider this: Would Caarter have lost had he been black?


17 posted on 02/25/2012 4:03:31 PM PST by Paperdoll
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To: johnatures

At this point in time George H.W.Bush was far ahead in the polls.
Punk ass marxist, magic negro is going down.


18 posted on 02/25/2012 4:03:37 PM PST by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) Hey Mitt, F-you too pal)
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To: johnatures

At this point in time George H.W.Bush was far ahead in the polls.
Punk ass marxist, magic negro is going down.


19 posted on 02/25/2012 4:07:15 PM PST by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) Hey Mitt, F-you too pal)
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To: johnatures

Many voters who said they were voting for Carter probably were undecided or leaning towards Reagan. Who wants to admit supporting an evil conservative?

The same thing is even more true of Obama. Those who privately believe is incompetent are being quiet about it, but will turn up to vote in droves.


20 posted on 02/25/2012 4:07:48 PM PST by proxy_user
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To: hinckley buzzard

I have a better definition of Myth: “What never was true, and always will be.”

LOL, that’s pretty good, I’m going to use that.

Did you ever read the book “The Daughter of Time” by Josephine Tey?

It is novel, one of a series about a police detective in England. In this book he has been severely injured (I think he fell through a skylight or something) and is laid up for several months. Out of boredom he “re-investigates” the murders of the “tower princes” by Richard III.

It it most interesting and gives many good examples of “myths” as per your definition.


21 posted on 02/25/2012 4:12:15 PM PST by jocon307
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To: hinckley buzzard

I thought the same thing when I read that. Good grief, if that isn’t the ultimate example of an idiot thinking just because something is of today it is better than anything in the past.


22 posted on 02/25/2012 4:21:15 PM PST by John W (Viva Cristo Rey!)
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To: gaijin

Did the left see Nov 2010 coming or did they not?


23 posted on 02/25/2012 4:24:37 PM PST by txhurl
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To: johnatures
The talk among college professors, students and those in the conservative southern community I live in, is that Barack Obama is going to win big

Talk about being clueless.


24 posted on 02/25/2012 4:27:56 PM PST by nhwingut (Sarah Palin 12... No One Else (Maybe Tim Thomas))
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To: johnatures

Carter was/is just inept. He trashed the US not by design, but through his stupidity.

Obama is damaging the country on purpose. He is, as he promised, fundamentally transforming the United States of America. As such, he will do whatever he believes is necessary to accomplish his goals, including the seemingly non-stop, in-your-face unconstitutional crimes. Fast and Furious, non-recess recess appointments, forcing employers to pay for medical procedures against their beliefs, etc.


25 posted on 02/25/2012 4:33:30 PM PST by FourPeas ("Maladjusted and wigging out is no way to go through life, son." -hg)
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To: johnatures

Hey John. Seems to me that until we know for sure who nobama’s opponent will be that all the polls you cite are BS or at best wild guesses.


26 posted on 02/25/2012 4:38:52 PM PST by upchuck (Let's have the Revolution NOW before we get dumbed down to the point that we can't.)
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To: re_nortex

If every conservative, Tea Partier and Republican would just make copies of the chart in your post about the size of a post-it note and afix it to the gas pumps where they fuel their vehicles. Or take a post-it and write “Hows that Hope and Change working out for you?” and do the same, he’d lose in a landslide.


27 posted on 02/25/2012 5:01:36 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.~Admiral Yamamoto)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet; Jim Robinson
If every conservative, Tea Partier and Republican would just make copies of the chart in your post about the size of a post-it note and afix it to the gas pumps where they fuel their vehicles. Or take a post-it and write “Hows that Hope and Change working out for you?” and do the same, he’d lose in a landslide.

That is a superb idea 2ndDivisionVet! It's true grass roots activism and it begins with each one of us. Watch for me to start the campaign at a 7-11 when I fill up tomorrow. I'll clip out the Clinton part. :-)

Let's make this happen! Jim any thoughts?

28 posted on 02/25/2012 7:19:26 PM PST by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas.)
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To: re_nortex

I wouldn’t clip out the Clinton part! That’ll make it more believable to Democrats, independents, moderates, blacks, PUMAs, union people, etc. Either they stay home, vote for our guy or vote third party.


29 posted on 02/25/2012 7:54:32 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.~Admiral Yamamoto)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I wouldn’t clip out the Clinton part! That’ll make it more believable to Democrats, independents, moderates, blacks, PUMAs, union people, etc. Either they stay home, vote for our guy or vote third party.

That's a good point. Leaving the Clinton part of the graph in does add to its authenticity.

Of course the lowest gas prices during the Clinton years (under a dollar here in Texas) came when Newt Gingrich's Contract with America revived our economy along with budget surpluses and only 4.2% unemployment.

30 posted on 02/25/2012 10:14:08 PM PST by re_nortex (DP...that's what I like about Texas.)
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To: FourPeas
Carter was/is just inept. He trashed the US not by design, but through his stupidity.

I'll have to take some issue with that. Carter was one of Admiral Hyman Rickover's 'nuclear whiz kids'. Such as they were never stupid, nor inept.

So, the question begs, why did the nation fare so poorly under his 'stewardship'? I have to contend, and what followed since indicates, but not definitively proves, that much of the damage done could well have been intentional...

the infowarrior

31 posted on 02/26/2012 2:05:28 AM PST by infowarrior
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To: johnatures
The article concludes,
Carter's poor debate performance, troubles in Iran, Afghanistan, and high gas prices, and overconfidence did him in. All Obama lacks is that poor debate performance, for now. So Democrats would do well to remember the lessons of the 1980 election, unless they want Obama to have an early retirement party.
You might think that incumbent presidents would be veteran pros at the game and would do better in debate the second time around than they did before, but that’s not the case at all, at least in the first debate. IMHO the only example of an incumbent POTUS not stumbling badly in a TV debate was Bill Clinton. Even Ronaldus Maximus did in 1984!

Apparently the reality of the fact that they could actually lose “their” mansion, perks, and power “four years too early” comes home to presidents going into their first TV debate as an incumbent - and the pressure is impossible.


32 posted on 02/26/2012 4:18:14 AM PST by conservatism_IS_compassion (DRAFT PALIN)
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To: jocon307
The Daughter of Time is an excellent read. But then, so is most of Josephine Tey's stuff.

Consider The Franchise Affair and Brat Farrar as well.

Cheers!

33 posted on 02/26/2012 10:17:37 AM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: johnatures
If I were a reporter for a national news service or a national radio/tv talk host, I would confront President/candidate Obama with questions about his past like these questions:

1. Illinois law license: What is the story concerning your license to practice law in Illinois?

Can you practice law in Illinois today?

If not, why not?

I find it difficult to believe that a lawyer who is not allowed to practice law in his own home state of Illinois is the best person to run for and become President of the United States in 2012.

2. LA Times tape of you speaking at a Muslim dinner/meeting: During the 2008 presidential campaign, as you know, a person gave a videotape of you speaking to a Muslim dinner/meeting to the LA Times with the promise that the LA Times would not release it to the public.

As I understand it, information on the tape was leaked in which you said some bad things about Jews. Is that true?

Why don't you tell the LA Times to release the videotape because (1) you are not ashamed of what is on the tape and (2) the LA Times---I thought that the LA Times is bound by journalistic ethics to present the truth. good or bad, wherever it might lead---had no right to promise the owner that it would not release the videotape.

3. Kapiolani Hospital, the hospital named on your long form birth certificate: Why don't you give Kapiolani officials permission to verify that your mother was a patient there and permission to show tourists the room where your mother stayed?

It has been almost a year since you released your long form birth certificate in April 2011 and still not a single word from Kapiolani officials to verify that you were born there. Why is that?

As you know, a simple phone call or a brief letter from you to Kapiolani officials could allow those officials to talk to reporters tomorrow.

34 posted on 02/26/2012 1:00:23 PM PST by john mirse
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