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Is Israel losing Temple Mount war?
Ynet ^ | February 25, 2012 | Amir Shoan

Posted on 02/25/2012 10:14:08 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet

Ynetnews special: Why is Israeli government covering up Muslim effort to erase any trace of Jewish history on Temple Mount? Archeology expert: Excavations barbaric, a crime.

Ira Pasternack couldn't believe his eyes. The tractor's huge blade was lifted high up and then brought down with great force, shattering the ancient floors on Temple Mount. The large clods of earth exposed by the work were cast aside by the mustachioed driver. Yet even an amateur archeologist could spot the priceless remnants of Jewish, Christian and Muslim history being cast away.

A few hours earlier, on a steaming July day in 2007, Pasternack was sent to Temple Mount in his role as an Israel Antiquities Authority inspector, in order to supervise excavation works at the holy site, which in the past boasted two Jewish Temples. This marked the first such project at the site since the 1967 Six-Day War, as the area's sensitivity could prompt a political and diplomatic flare-up, thereby discouraging any such work.

According to specific Antiquities Authority instructions, any digging at the site was not allowed to exceed 60 centimeters (roughly two feet) and was not to be undertaken using mechanical equipment. However, reports drafted by Pasternnack and other sources, exposed for the first time by Yedioth Ahronoth Friday, indicate that workers largely ignored the instructions.

Much of the work was done using a tractor, continued during the night with the help of a flashlight, reached deeper than the permit allowed for. Moreover, the clods of earth removed from the site, which apparently comprised valuable remnants from the two Jewish Temples, were thrown away to an improvised garbage dump by members of the Waqf (the administrative Muslim body in charge of Temple Mount.)

Archeology expert Dr. Gabai Barkai, a world-renowned expert on Temple era excavations, was shocked by the reported work: "How could one dig up such sensitive area at night? How could one dig using mechanical equipment? Every such move is a crime. This is first-rate barbarity."

Why is report secret? An investigative report by Yedioth Ahronoth revealed the ongoing failure of various Israeli authorities in safeguarding the rare archeological treasures found on Temple Mount. Information elicited by the newspaper showed that the Waqf is consistently erasing any trace of Jewish history at the site.

Mideastern affairs expert Dr. Mordechai Kedar says these acts are undertaken in the framework of an Arab practice known as "erasing the signs," aimed at eliminating the remnants of any civilization that preceded Islam.

Members of the State Comptroller's Office launched an investigation into the affair four years ago and drafted a report about it. However, the Knesset's State Control Committee decided to impose a gag order on the report for "security reasons."

However, Israeli intelligence officials told Yedioth Ahronoth there is no reason to prevent the report's publication. A senior Shin Bet Security Service official said following the Committee's session on the matter: "I'm ashamed. This is akin to cheapening national security to the lowest point possible."

Former Mossad Chief Meir Dagan has also questioned the gag order. "There is no connection whatsoever between the failure to publish the report and national security. As far as I know, both Mossad and Shin Bet said there is no reason not to publish the report…apparently there are other considerations here, pertaining to political motives."

Conversations and interviews held with dozens of officials involved in drafting the State Comptroller's secret report indicate that Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu is among the senior officials interested in shelving the document. Attorney Yisrael Caspi, who represents a group fighting the destruction on Temple Mount, says the PM is unequivocally responsible for the ongoing failure.

"One cannot underestimate the prime minister's responsibility for the state of affairs on Temple Mount; one can only refer to it as absolute responsibility," he said. "We know with certainty that nothing happens on Temple Mount without the advance knowledge and permission of the Prime Minister's Office and its head. All the criticism, all the negligence, all the failures, the entire cover-up and the helplessness in dealing with the matter - and therefore all the historical responsibility - are his."

Caspi says Netanyahu does not want to be reminded of the "historical scandal" of handing over the holy site known in Judaism as Solomon's Stables to the Waqf during the PM's first term in office, in the 1990s. "This turned Solomon's Stables, an amazing archeological site…into a place that Jews are not allowed to enter and into the largest mosque in the State of Israel," he says.

"These days too, three tractors are being used on Temple Mount," Caspi says. "Construction materials are also continuing to be brought into Temple Mount in violation of police pledges…Temple Mount looks today like a construction materials' warehouse…materials being brought in today will be used for illegal works tomorrow."

In another disturbing case, a ministerial committee approved the use of two giant generators on Temple Mount. "At times you're just stunned by the lack of wisdom in our conduct on Temple Mount," Attorney Caspi says. "You can't believe these things are happening. We are playing into our enemies' hands and shooting ourselves in the foot, because these generators can provide enough electricity for half the city. Why are they needed?"

"Now, there is a regular supply of electricity to Temple Mount. The State of Israel has no interest whatsoever in allowing the Muslims the possibility to riot and barricade themselves there."

Waqf denies 'false charges' After the opening of the Western Wall Tunnels in 1996 and the subsequent riots at the site, then-PM Netanyahu agreed to unilateral Waqf steps in the area. The Waqf almost immediately embarked on excavation work, and two months after the tunnels were opened the Islamic body inaugurated the largest mosque in Israel at the large space associated with Solomon's stables, thereby banning Jews from entering the site.

Two years later, the Waqf inaugurated another mosque, this time below the al-Aqsa Mosque nearby. As part of the work, the Waqf cleared great amounts of soil from the area, built a new floor and installed new pipes, while drilling into ancient stones. Moreover, Waqf members painted over rare Jewish works at the site. All this work was undertaken without Israeli supervision, and one can only imagine the kinds of cultural, historical and religious treasures lost in the process.

In 1999, the Waqf went a step further and dug a hole in the Temple Mount plaza, arguing that it needed to build an emergency exit for the mosque. The work was done by tractors, with some 250 trucks removing about 12,000 tons of soil replete with archeological findings from the site. The soil was dumped at a city garbage dump and also near the Kidron River.

Archeologists Gabi Barkai and Zachi Zweig are now sifting through the latter pile as part of a special project, and have already discovered priceless findings attesting to the administrative work undertaken in the first Temple. The archeologists also found decorated utensils from the King Solomon era, as well as coins and clay dating back to the second Temple. Hundreds of artifacts have already been put on show for the benefit of the general public.

Dr. Eilat Mazar, a senior fellow at the Shalem Center's Jewish archeology Institute, witnessed the digging at the Temple Mount plaza in 1999. "For me as an archeologist it was a shock; it was like performing heart surgery with a hoe. The Waqf's objective is to not only turn Temple Mount into a holy compound, but to turn it into a 'built up Aqsa' for Muslims only," she says. "One need not be an archeologist to understand there's destruction here."

The Prime Minister's Office issued the following response to the story: "As opposed to the claims, the body that imposed a gag order on the (State Comptroller's) report was not the government, but rather, the sub-committee of the Knesset's Defense and Foreign Affair's Committee…any argument alleging that the report is not being published as result of irrelevant reasons is baseless and disconnected from reality."

The Waqf issued the following response: "The Waqf's management was sorry to hear the claims made in the story pertaining to the Waqf's policy on Temple Mount. In the Waqf management's view, all these claims are baseless and constitute false charges. Our official policy is to preserve and respect any human heritage. You are invited to visit the mosque and see for yourself well preserved Roman, Byzantine and Crusader artifacts, among other items."


TOPICS: Government; History; Politics; Religion
KEYWORDS: godsgravesglyphs; islam; israel; jerusalem; judaism; kingdomofdavid; letshavejerusalem; solomon; solomonsstables; templemount

1 posted on 02/25/2012 10:14:15 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

When the messiah comes Islam and the Mooselimbs will be annihilated.


2 posted on 02/25/2012 10:17:45 PM PST by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (I love you,Pumpkin.)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
I really do not think that the Israelis are losing the Temple Mount controversy. I would wish the Al Aqusa Mosque should allow more archaeological digs into the area.This was also the same area where the Knights Templar was headquartered and digging for artifacts. If you are interested in Ark of the Covenant lore, the Ark of the Covenant is buried where the Mosque now stands.
3 posted on 02/25/2012 10:23:38 PM PST by U-238
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To: U-238
Some say it's in Ethiopia, others at Rennes-le-Château in France. Others think the Masons/Templars/Prieuré de Sion.
4 posted on 02/25/2012 10:27:46 PM PST by 2ndDivisionVet (You can't invade the US. There'd be a rifle behind every blade of grass.~Admiral Yamamoto)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

I wouldn’t make many bets on future Islamic construction, especialy in Jerusalem.

It doesn’t take a prophet anymore to tell something big is about to happen.


5 posted on 02/25/2012 10:42:44 PM PST by Dogbert41 ("...or by Jerusalem, for it is the city of the Great King. " -Jesus)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

It never left Jerusalem.Personally, I think that it exists because the trail ends at 538 BC when the Babylonians conquered Jerusalem. The Babylonians did not mention the Ark in their list of Temple “war booty” items that were taken.Also, many of the Levite priests of the Temple were never mentioned again in the Bible. I think that the Knights Templars were right on the spot but lacked the necessary tools of excavating it.They spent 10 years excavating that particular area of Jerusalem where the mosque is now located.Now there is a mosque on top of where the the altar of the first mount and the location of the Ark is probably somewhere underneath.Maybe in some hidden shaft underneath the mosque. I think that it would be found if there is a systematic search of the area. If it is found it would be an historic event.I think the Muslims are worried that it would be found one day


6 posted on 02/25/2012 10:46:43 PM PST by U-238
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To: U-238

Many believe the Ark is no longer in Jerusalem. Hasn’t been since the time of Solomon.

I don’t know where it is, but it may not be there.


7 posted on 02/25/2012 11:14:13 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: Jonty30

Some people speculate that its in near by Jordan.II Maccabees 2:4-10, written around 100 BC, says that the prophet Jeremiah, “being warned by God” before the Babylonian invasion, took the Ark, the Tabernacle, and the Altar of Incense, and buried them in a cave on Mount Nebo. Mount Nebo is located in present day Jordan.


8 posted on 02/25/2012 11:16:16 PM PST by U-238
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

There will come a time when all Chritrians can openly worship on the Temple Mount at the feet of our Lord. Muslims may have it now, but Jesus will have it for eternity.


9 posted on 02/25/2012 11:16:44 PM PST by LukeL (Barack Obama: Jimmy Carter 2 Electric Boogaloo)
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To: Jonty30

There is still many shafts and wells underneath Jerusalem that have not been explored.


10 posted on 02/25/2012 11:18:05 PM PST by U-238
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To: U-238

One of my Jewish Professors said that the Rabbis in Jerusalem know exactly where it is and are waiting for the right moment to reveal it. They probably discovered the chamber some time after 1967 but resealed it.


11 posted on 02/25/2012 11:19:13 PM PST by LukeL (Barack Obama: Jimmy Carter 2 Electric Boogaloo)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet

Israel should have taken a bulldozer to the abomination that makes desolate in 1967.


12 posted on 02/25/2012 11:21:01 PM PST by UnbelievingScumOnTheOtherSide (REPEAL WASHINGTON! -- Islam Delenda Est! -- I Want Constantinople Back. -- Rumble thee forth.)
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To: LukeL

There is no doubt in my mind that it will be found.I am very convinced of this.This subject has been a little hobby of mine. I think that it will be revealed when the “end time” approaches and the battle between the forces of Satan and Jesus is fought in Armageddon.


13 posted on 02/25/2012 11:23:17 PM PST by U-238
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To: LukeL

The “War Scroll” calls it the “battle between the sons of light and the sons of darkness”.


14 posted on 02/25/2012 11:26:28 PM PST by U-238
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To: U-238

When it shows itself, it will be an awesome moment.


15 posted on 02/25/2012 11:39:20 PM PST by Jonty30 (What Islam and secularism have in common is that they are both death cults.)
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To: Jonty30

I agree. It will be a very pivotal moment in religious and human history


16 posted on 02/25/2012 11:41:56 PM PST by U-238
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To: LukeL

Thank you for posting that great reminder. Things are ramping up.


17 posted on 02/26/2012 1:28:20 AM PST by MonicaG (God bless our military! Praying and thanking God for you every day. Thank you!)
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To: 2ndDivisionVet
>Every such move is a crime. This is first-rate barbarity."

Crimes against history.

Crimes against the Creator!

The Slime council overseeing these crimes needs to be arrested.

The Slimes need to be relieved of all rights to ANY CLAIM of the Temple Mound. No visitation. No prayer. No NOTHING!

They are UNWORTHY of STEWARSHIP from even a civil historical POV.

18 posted on 02/26/2012 2:00:59 AM PST by rawcatslyentist (BO Stinks! So does Mitts magic underwear!)
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To: rawcatslyentist

God will deal with it in His time and His way.


19 posted on 02/26/2012 5:18:25 AM PST by ruesrose (It's possible to be clueless without being blonde.)
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To: Jonty30

That’s quite a theory.

Since Solomon built the Temple, do you believe the Ark was never there? The historical record of it being there for centuries after Solomon is just lies?


20 posted on 02/26/2012 6:30:52 AM PST by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: Jonty30; U-238; 2ndDivisionVet; SunkenCiv
*PING* to SunkenCiv unless this is actually one of your threads...

Many believe the Ark is no longer in Jerusalem. Hasn’t been since the time of Solomon.

I don’t know where it is, but it may not be there.

Don't worry, there are top people working on it.

Cheers!

21 posted on 02/26/2012 2:01:17 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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22 posted on 02/26/2012 4:06:44 PM PST by SunkenCiv (FReep this FReepathon!)
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To: grey_whiskers; Jonty30; U-238; 2ndDivisionVet; StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; decimon; ...

 GGG managers are SunkenCiv, StayAt HomeMother & Ernest_at_the_Beach
Thanks grey_whiskers.

To all -- please ping me to other topics which are appropriate for the GGG list.


23 posted on 02/26/2012 4:10:02 PM PST by SunkenCiv (FReep this FReepathon!)
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To: SunkenCiv

I read somewhere a few years ago that the Ark is in a cave under Golgotha. That it rests under where Christ was crucified.


24 posted on 02/26/2012 4:36:14 PM PST by Mmogamer (I refudiate the lamestream media, leftists and their prevaricutions.)
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To: POWERSBOOTHEFAN

Christ already came, as spiritual savior, not as war leader.


25 posted on 02/26/2012 4:45:49 PM PST by DNA.2012
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To: LukeL

Why does that specific place matter to you?


26 posted on 02/26/2012 4:48:06 PM PST by DNA.2012
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To: DNA.2012

The Temple Mount is where Abraham offered up Isaac to God, where the two Jewish Temples were, and where the 3rd Temple will be in the 1,000 year reign.


27 posted on 02/26/2012 5:02:40 PM PST by LukeL (Barack Obama: Jimmy Carter 2 Electric Boogaloo)
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To: DNA.2012

Clearly the messiah has not come because,when he does,he will bring peace. He will be fully human and his mission will have nothing to do with spiritual salvation.

j*sus has not fulfilled any of the messianic requirements,which means he is not the messiah.


28 posted on 02/26/2012 5:19:18 PM PST by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (I love you,Pumpkin. You are the best cat in the world. You're my Sweet Pea.)
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To: DNA.2012

Clearly the messiah has not come because,when he does,he will bring peace. He will be fully human and his mission will have nothing to do with spiritual salvation.

j*sus has not fulfilled any of the messianic requirements,which means he is not the messiah.


29 posted on 02/26/2012 5:19:24 PM PST by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (I love you,Pumpkin. You are the best cat in the world. You're my Sweet Pea.)
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To: LukeL

Hypothetically, if there was no Temple Mount, and thus would be no Third Temple, would that alter your religious views?


30 posted on 02/26/2012 5:55:23 PM PST by DNA.2012
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To: POWERSBOOTHEFAN
j*sus has not fulfilled any of the messianic requirements,which means he is not the messiah.

It means that "messiah" - tribal war leader - and "Christ" - spiritual savior - really never meant the same thing at all.

31 posted on 02/26/2012 5:57:18 PM PST by DNA.2012
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To: DNA.2012

Exactly. The Jewish messiah and the c*ristian messiah are not the same.


32 posted on 02/26/2012 6:18:45 PM PST by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (I love you,Pumpkin. You are the best cat in the world. You're my Sweet Pea.)
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To: POWERSBOOTHEFAN

Messiah and Christ respectively then.


33 posted on 02/26/2012 6:53:08 PM PST by DNA.2012
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To: U-238
When people talk about the Ark of The Covenant they often don't speak about The Mercy Seat which sits on top of it. The Mercy Seat is likely Jesus’ throne during the Millennium.
34 posted on 02/26/2012 10:27:39 PM PST by Bellflower (The LORD is Holy, separated from all sin, perfect, righteous, high and lifted up.)
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To: Bellflower

The actual Ark with the two cherubs on the lid of the ark and the two poles holding it.


35 posted on 02/26/2012 10:31:52 PM PST by U-238
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To: Bellflower


It should look something like this.
36 posted on 02/26/2012 10:37:15 PM PST by U-238
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To: POWERSBOOTHEFAN
Clearly the messiah has not come because,when he does,he will bring peace. He will be fully human and his mission will have nothing to do with spiritual salvation.

Psa 110:1 [[A Psalm of David.]] The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool.

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Isaiah 9:6 For unto us a child is born, unto us a son is given: and the government shall be upon his shoulder: and his name shall be called Wonderful, Counsellor, The mighty God, The everlasting Father, The Prince of Peace.

Isaiah 9:7 Of the increase of [his] government and peace [there shall be] no end, upon the throne of David, and upon his kingdom, to order it, and to establish it with judgment and with justice from henceforth even for ever. The zeal of the LORD of hosts will perform this.

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Jeremiah 23:5 Behold, the days come, saith the LORD, that I will raise unto David a righteous Branch, and a King shall reign and prosper, and shall execute judgment and justice in the earth.

Jer 23:6 In his days Judah shall be saved, and Israel shall dwell safely: and this [is] his name whereby he shall be called, THE LORD OUR RIGHTEOUSNESS.

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Mic 5:2 But thou, Bethlehem Ephratah, [though] thou be little among the thousands of Judah, [yet] out of thee shall he come forth unto me [that is] to be ruler in Israel; whose goings forth [have been] from of old, from everlasting.

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Psalms 2:7 I will declare the decree: the LORD hath said unto me, Thou [art] my Son; this day have I begotten thee.

Psa 2:8 Ask of me, and I shall give [thee] the heathen [for] thine inheritance, and the uttermost parts of the earth [for] thy possession.

Psa 2:9 Thou shalt break them with a rod of iron; thou shalt dash them in pieces like a potter's vessel.

Psa 2:10 Be wise now therefore, O ye kings: be instructed, ye judges of the earth.

Psa 2:11 Serve the LORD with fear, and rejoice with trembling.

Psa 2:12 Kiss the Son, lest he be angry, and ye perish [from] the way, when his wrath is kindled but a little. Blessed [are] all they that put their trust in him.

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Dan 9:26 And after threescore and two weeks shall Messiah be cut off, but not for himself: and the people of the prince that shall come shall destroy the city and the sanctuary; and the end thereof [shall be] with a flood, and unto the end of the war desolations are determined.

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Isaiah 53:1 Who hath believed our report? and to whom is the arm of the LORD revealed?

Isa 53:2 For he shall grow up before him as a tender plant, and as a root out of a dry ground: he hath no form nor comeliness; and when we shall see him, [there is] no beauty that we should desire him.

Isa 53:3 He is despised and rejected of men; a man of sorrows, and acquainted with grief: and we hid as it were [our] faces from him; he was despised, and we esteemed him not.

Isa 53:4 Surely he hath borne our griefs, and carried our sorrows: yet we did esteem him stricken, smitten of God, and afflicted.

Isa 53:5 But he [was] wounded for our transgressions, [he was] bruised for our iniquities: the chastisement of our peace [was] upon him; and with his stripes we are healed.

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Zec 12:10 And I will pour upon the house of David, and upon the inhabitants of Jerusalem, the spirit of grace and of supplications: and they shall look upon me whom they have pierced, and they shall mourn for him, as one mourneth for [his] only [son], and shall be in bitterness for him, as one that is in bitterness for [his] firstborn. _________________________________________________

37 posted on 02/26/2012 10:57:50 PM PST by Bellflower (The LORD is Holy, separated from all sin, perfect, righteous, high and lifted up.)
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To: LukeL
I am of the opinion that there will be a lot of surprised folks when that happens.

Isaiah 56:3 Let not the foreigner who has joined himself to the Lord say, “The Lord will surely separate me from his people”

Isaiah 66:
17“Those who sanctify and purify themselves to go into the gardens, following one in the midst, eating pig’s flesh and the abomination and mice, shall come to an end together, declares the Lord.

18“For I know their works and their thoughts, and the time is coming to gather all nations and tongues. And they shall come and shall see my glory


38 posted on 02/27/2012 7:34:07 AM PST by wafflehouse (RE-ELECT NO ONE !)
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To: Bellflower

These are from the KJV,are they not?

I can give you the correct translations,which are not found in the KJV.

Also,in ‘Kiss the son’,it is a lower-case ‘s’ as there are no capitals letters in Hebrew. This means that j*sus is not the individual the Hebrew Bible is speaking of.


39 posted on 02/27/2012 1:58:00 PM PST by POWERSBOOTHEFAN (I love you,Pumpkin. You are the best cat in the world. You're my Sweet Pea.)
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To: POWERSBOOTHEFAN
I can give you the correct translations,which are not found in the KJV.

Please do.

40 posted on 02/27/2012 3:47:50 PM PST by Bellflower (The LORD is Holy, separated from all sin, perfect, righteous, high and lifted up.)
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To: LukeL

Why would a Christian want to worship at a new Temple?
To do so would put to open shame the blood of Christ who was the final sacrifice. The acts done in the Temple was only a foreshadow of things to come.
Jesus IS the temple.
‘I am able to destroy the temple of God and rebuild it in three days.’ ~Jesus (Matt 26:61)

If Christ’s body is the true temple–as Paul puts it, “For we are the temple of the living God” (2 Corinthians 6:16)–what use remains for an a future literal temple?


41 posted on 09/10/2012 2:33:19 PM PDT by Uriah.Hanover
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