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Ethicists Argue in Favor of ‘After-Birth Abortions‘ as Newborns ’Are Not Persons’
The Blaze ^ | 02-27-12 | Liz Klimas

Posted on 02/27/2012 5:18:33 PM PST by Lazlo in PA

Two ethicists working with Australian universities argue in the latest online edition of the Journal of Medical Ethics that if abortion of a fetus is allowable, so to should be the termination of a newborn.

Alberto Giubilini with Monash University in Melbourne and Francesca Minerva at the Centre for Applied Philosophy and Public Ethics at the University of Melbourne write that in “circumstances occur[ing] after birth such that they would have justified abortion, what we call after-birth abortion should be permissible.”

The two are quick to note that they prefer the term “after-birth abortion“ as opposed to ”infanticide.” Why? Because it “[emphasizes] that the moral status of the individual killed is comparable with that of a fetus (on which ‘abortions’ in the traditional sense are performed) rather than to that of a child.” The authors also do not agree with the term euthanasia for this practice as the best interest of the person who would be killed is not necessarily the primary reason his or her life is being terminated. In other words, it may be in the parents’ best interest to terminate the life, not the newborns.

The circumstances, the authors state, where after-birth abortion should be considered acceptable include instances where the newborn would be putting the well-being of the family at risk, even if it had the potential for an “acceptable” life. The authors cite Downs Syndrome as an example, stating that while the quality of life of individuals with Downs is often reported as happy, “such children might be an unbearable burden on the family and on society as a whole, when the state economically provides for their care.”

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1 posted on 02/27/2012 5:18:43 PM PST by Lazlo in PA
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To: Lazlo in PA

Dr. Mengele I presume.


2 posted on 02/27/2012 5:21:05 PM PST by Monterrosa-24 (...even more American that a French bikini and a Russian AK-47.)
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To: Lazlo in PA

Is “ethicist” the new term for “Nazi”?


3 posted on 02/27/2012 5:21:53 PM PST by Califelephant
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To: Lazlo in PA

I don’t know if they are hoisting the pro-abortion group on their own petard or just being Aholes.


4 posted on 02/27/2012 5:23:30 PM PST by Cyman
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To: Califelephant

Just wait until some “ethicist” concludes that “progressives” aren’t persons...


5 posted on 02/27/2012 5:23:50 PM PST by achilles2000 ("I'll agree to save the whales as long as we can deport the liberals")
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To: Lazlo in PA

...Newborns ’Are Not Persons’



6 posted on 02/27/2012 5:23:50 PM PST by COBOL2Java (Mitt Romney is SEVERELY conservative - and I'm SEVERELY against giving him my vote!)
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To: Lazlo in PA

These two are not ethicists, they’re blood thirsty animals.


7 posted on 02/27/2012 5:24:16 PM PST by Psycho_Bunny (Burning the Quran is a waste of perfectly good fire.)
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To: Lazlo in PA

Newborn future ethicists are not persons neither.


8 posted on 02/27/2012 5:24:23 PM PST by bunkerhill7 (Ethicists lacking ethics??? - Who knew?)
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To: Lazlo in PA

I guess the attacks accusing the GOP of wanting to violate women’s rights to kill their born baby is next.


9 posted on 02/27/2012 5:25:03 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: Lazlo in PA

Alberto Giubilini and Francesca Minerva are putting people at risk. I say we take them at their word and abort them.


10 posted on 02/27/2012 5:25:17 PM PST by Henry Hnyellar
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To: Lazlo in PA
Not that long ago in Western civilization the unwanted babies were just tossed out alongside the road to die or to be picked up by whoever wanted them. This was how the foundling hospitals got their start: people taking it upon themselves to rescue those infants who were abandoned after birth. Of course, in Germany they were more advanced like the "ethicists" of today and just killed them or sent them off with special nurses to die.
11 posted on 02/27/2012 5:27:12 PM PST by aruanan
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To: Lazlo in PA

This will be a plank in the Democratic party platform by 2016 if it’s not already.


12 posted on 02/27/2012 5:27:36 PM PST by crusader71
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To: Monterrosa-24

They are just two wild and crazy guys trying to channel King Herod. Definitely too much sun in Australia. Good argument why tenure should never be supported directly or indirectly by the taxpayer.


13 posted on 02/27/2012 5:28:17 PM PST by allendale
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To: Monterrosa-24
Fetus at 12 weeks. Looks human to me.
14 posted on 02/27/2012 5:28:59 PM PST by mkmensinger
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To: Lazlo in PA
Well, Newt has said that life does not start at conception, but, when a woman's egg is implanted.

15 posted on 02/27/2012 5:32:43 PM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: Lazlo in PA

What we really need are post-PhD abortions.


16 posted on 02/27/2012 5:38:21 PM PST by AlmaKing
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To: Lazlo in PA

so if i understand this article....we could go to the land down under and perform a very, very late term abortion on these two idiots??

if this were to pass any good defense attorney would be able to get his client off of murder charges with the defense the scum was performing a very, very late term abortion.

it’s scary we’re even having this discussion.


17 posted on 02/27/2012 5:41:42 PM PST by ealgeone (obama, border)
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To: Lazlo in PA

It should not be forgotten how the current occupant of the WH supports the murder of abortion-surviving babies.

May those who would support that ghastly act burn forever in hell along with that murderer George Tiller.


18 posted on 02/27/2012 5:44:51 PM PST by ScottinVA (GOP, meet Courage... Courage, meet GOP.)
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To: Lazlo in PA

They must be Utilitarians. Notice they agree that it is for “the good of the parents”. That is typical Utilitarian thinking. They need to read more of the Greeks. Even Kant would be better.


19 posted on 02/27/2012 5:46:56 PM PST by Seraphicaviary (St. Michael is gearing up. The angels are on the ready line.)
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To: ealgeone

Scary.. and heartbreaking.


20 posted on 02/27/2012 5:49:30 PM PST by ScottinVA (GOP, meet Courage... Courage, meet GOP.)
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To: Lazlo in PA
The two are quick to note that they prefer the term “after-birth abortion“ as opposed to ”infanticide.”

These are "ethicists" arguing that calling an act B instead of A changes it ethically. To call that position suspect is to be far too charitable.

21 posted on 02/27/2012 5:52:48 PM PST by Billthedrill
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To: Lazlo in PA
http://static.guim.co.uk/sys-images/Admin/BkFill/Default_image_group/2011/8/2/1312301405828/Gregory-Peck-as-Dr-Josef--007.jpg

Dr. Mengele Approves!

22 posted on 02/27/2012 5:53:37 PM PST by KC_Lion (I will NEVER vote for Romney, the GOP will go the way of the Whigs if they nominate him)
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To: Califelephant

Yes.


23 posted on 02/27/2012 5:53:46 PM PST by Notwithstanding (1998 ACU ratings: Newt=100%, Paul=88%, Santorum=84% [the last year all were in Congress])
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To: zot; SeraphimApprentice; Interesting Times

And the abortion people keep pushing the “envelope.” Next step is that a woman has the right to choose to abort the fetus if it is less than 18 years after the fetus exits the birth womb as a “post-partum” procedure.


24 posted on 02/27/2012 5:54:29 PM PST by GreyFriar (Spearhead - 3rd Armored Division 75-78 & 83-87)
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To: GeronL
I guess the attacks accusing the GOP of wanting to violate women’s rights to kill their born baby is next.

That is already here. "Safe Haven" laws - the legal opportunity for a mother to abandon a baby - exist because of the epidemic of women murdering their born babies. It all springs from the idea that women own the children.

25 posted on 02/27/2012 5:56:18 PM PST by DNA.2012
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To: Seraphicaviary

Depends on the Greeks. They may be fans of Plato and fancy themselves philosopher kings, or Spartans since they supposedly practiced infanticide as well.


26 posted on 02/27/2012 5:57:53 PM PST by 31R1O
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To: Lazlo in PA

I’ll accept their reasoning once they walk the walk instead of talking the talk. They should be willing to cease their own lives if they really feel this way.

Otherwise, it’s just another bunch of kill freaks finding a way to get their jollies off by killing kids.

Sometimes, like this particular time, people absolutely disgust me.


27 posted on 02/27/2012 5:59:45 PM PST by BCR #226 (02/07 SOT www.extremefirepower.com...The BS stops when the hammer drops.)
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To: Lazlo in PA

Good thing that conservatives and Christianity is not genetic.


28 posted on 02/27/2012 6:00:43 PM PST by Raycpa
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To: Lazlo in PA

People are freaking about this, but this really seems like a classic “demonstrating absurdity by being absurd” move.


29 posted on 02/27/2012 6:00:52 PM PST by Future Snake Eater (Don't stop. Keep moving!)
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To: Lazlo in PA
I proclaim today that I am a super-ethicist. I declare that ethicists who support infanticide are not persons. Therefore we are free to kill them.

We must not break any littering laws in the process, though, and all carcasses must be either eaten or disposed of in a responsible manner so as not to cause the spread of disease.

This is good for the planet, too, so it is our moral responsibility to kill at least one such ethicist or hire someone to kill one for us ASAP, until they are extinct.

As a super-ethicist, no one is allowed to dispute any ethical statement I make, not even the labor unions or Occupy and its various derivatives.

30 posted on 02/27/2012 6:04:20 PM PST by Right Wing Assault (Dick Obama is more inexperienced now than he was before he was elected.)
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To: AlmaKing

You said exactly what I was thinking.


31 posted on 02/27/2012 6:07:24 PM PST by stansblugrassgrl (PRAISE THE LORD AND PASS THE AMMUNITION!!! YEEEEEHAW!)
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To: Lazlo in PA

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gerhard_Kretschmar

This is how it starts.


32 posted on 02/27/2012 6:09:00 PM PST by ClaudiusI
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To: Lazlo in PA

The door to this was opened a long time ago. This is sick, evil, barbaric.

But this is Roe v. Wade(and prior pro-death “legalizations” i.e. euthanasia) taken to it’s logical conclusion. Anybody who didn’t see this coming is in for a rude awakening.

All the more reason I will not vote for a pro-abortion candidate, ever, whether D or R.

No Romney, no way!! FUBO!


33 posted on 02/27/2012 6:14:58 PM PST by madmaximus (Romney=Hitler Obama=Stalin. Either way, we're screwed.)
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To: Cyman

There are over seven billion lesser people inhabiting their earth, and they have put up with us long enough.

When you consider human life less valuable than an a so called endangered species, what do you expect?


34 posted on 02/27/2012 6:18:44 PM PST by itsahoot (Much easier to tear down a building, than to build one. Bigger mess though.)
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To: Lazlo in PA

Today the “ethicists” argue for post-birth abortion, tomorrow they will argue to post-lived-a-good-life abort grandma who needs a new hip, and either cremate her to heat the swimming pool or make Soylent Green biscuits our of her.


35 posted on 02/27/2012 6:19:01 PM PST by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: Lazlo in PA

“Two ethicists...”

Yet another made up profession for useless liberal arts grads to occupy.


36 posted on 02/27/2012 6:20:03 PM PST by Aglooka ("I was out numbered 5-to-1, I got 4.")
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To: Lazlo in PA
The "ethicists" are late for their appointment to become "soylent green". Just as they argue the newborn is not human, it appears that they have spanned the gap to the other end of life where they too are no longer human. A "post human" termination would be best for them.
37 posted on 02/27/2012 6:22:17 PM PST by Myrddin
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To: Lazlo in PA

We can now declare Godwin’s Law null and void.


38 posted on 02/27/2012 6:22:26 PM PST by don-o (He will not share His glory and He will NOT be mocked! Blessed be the name of the Lord forever.)
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To: Monterrosa-24

Dr. Mengele I presume.

This is EXACTLY the kind of thinking used by the nazis.

39 posted on 02/27/2012 6:26:00 PM PST by Aglooka ("I was out numbered 5-to-1, I got 4.")
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To: Lazlo in PA

Not surprised whatsoever this is what things have come to.


40 posted on 02/27/2012 6:44:41 PM PST by chessplayer
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To: Lazlo in PA

Murder.

I had a dog once that ate it’s puppies.I euthanised her.

A human being who murders an infant deserves no less.
That person is not a human he/she is a monster.


41 posted on 02/27/2012 6:46:17 PM PST by Venturer
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To: Lazlo in PA
No other way to describe these people:

http://www.ushmm.org/museum/exhibit/focus/disabilities/

42 posted on 02/27/2012 6:52:31 PM PST by HereInTheHeartland (I love how the FR spellchecker doesn't recognize the word "Obama")
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To: Lazlo in PA
if abortion of a fetus is allowable, so to should be the termination of a newborn

This is a classic example of a false-premise argument. If one accepts that abortion of a fetus is allowable then it logically follows that "after-birth abortions" are as well. If one accepts that argument then murder should be ethical and legal at any age, and I would recommend that the procedure first be carried out on the Australian "ethicists."

43 posted on 02/27/2012 6:52:31 PM PST by Bernard Marx
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To: HereInTheHeartland

http://www.ushmm.org/museum/exhibit/focus/disabilities/heberer/?content=euthanasia


44 posted on 02/27/2012 6:53:14 PM PST by HereInTheHeartland (I love how the FR spellchecker doesn't recognize the word "Obama")
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To: Lazlo in PA

As these “ethicists” are paid by universities it would be fair to say that the state provides for their care. Further it could be argued that this places an unbearable burden on society as a whole as these individuals are nothing but a drain to the very society that they advocate killing, at least in part. Logically it makes more sense to practice abortions on the “ethicists” than on innocent children.


45 posted on 02/27/2012 6:55:24 PM PST by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: GreyFriar
And the abortion people keep pushing the “envelope.” Next step is that a woman has the right to choose to abort the fetus if it is less than 18 years after the fetus exits the birth womb as a “post-partum” procedure.

Why not allow mothers to kill their children at any age? After all, it is a woman's right to choose whether her child lives.

46 posted on 02/27/2012 7:06:54 PM PST by zot
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To: ScottinVA

I have read our PINO’s words about supporting the murder of babies who survive abortion, but do you have any link to a video of him saying the words? I need that for my archive when people refuse to believe me when I tell them about horrible things their beloved Barry has said.


47 posted on 02/27/2012 7:15:56 PM PST by Sioux-san
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To: Lazlo in PA

Ethicists in Australia can be killed any time within 100 years of their birth because they are non-persons.


48 posted on 02/27/2012 7:16:32 PM PST by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Lazlo in PA

I can’t even make a coherent comment on this. I am just so saddened and disgusted that I have no words for these self-name experts who think they are gods.


49 posted on 02/27/2012 7:39:06 PM PST by Wisconsinlady (KEEP YOUR LEGISLATORS ON SPEED DIAL AND TELL THEM TO GROW SOME)
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To: Sioux-san
I know of no video, but Jill Stanek's site has audio of relevant portions of the Illinois Senate debate. The files can be accessed here:
Obama caught on tape arguing against giving medical attention to aborted babies
They have audios of all debates in the Illinois Senate, but these are only kept for a limited period. I seem to remember in 2008 listening to the portion of the recording in which Obama talks about "if there is movement" by the poor wretched creature who wasn't quite aborted. This part of the recording is no longer available, and maybe I'm just imagining it. The recordings at Stanek's site are very potent though, and track with the official transcripts.
50 posted on 02/27/2012 7:49:56 PM PST by ishmac (Lady Thatcher:"There are no permanent defeats in politics because there are no permanent victories.)
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