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Society’s Five Stages of Economic Collapse
SHTF Plan ^ | 2/28/12 | David Meyer

Posted on 02/28/2012 9:22:53 PM PST by Kartographer

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STAGE 1. The Decay Begins
STAGE 2. The Slippery Slope
STAGE 3. It is Going to Get Worse
STAGE 4. The Grab for Power
STAGE 5. Freedom, Liberty, and Independence is Lost
1 posted on 02/28/2012 9:22:57 PM PST by Kartographer
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To: appalachian_dweller; OldPossum; DuncanWaring; VirginiaMom; CodeToad; goosie; kalee; ...

Preppers’ PING!


2 posted on 02/28/2012 9:23:59 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

We’re at Stage 5.


3 posted on 02/28/2012 9:26:48 PM PST by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: Kartographer

BTTT


4 posted on 02/28/2012 9:28:19 PM PST by Positive (Nothing is sadder than to see a beautiful theory murdered by a gang of brutal facts.)
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To: unkus

Guess I am just a bit more optimistic, because I see us as only being deep in to stage 3.


5 posted on 02/28/2012 9:29:11 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: unkus

I think we hit there by the time someone like Obama could actually win either major party’s presidential nomination, let alone the actual office.


6 posted on 02/28/2012 9:29:49 PM PST by ReformationFan
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To: unkus

Stage 3, not 5.


7 posted on 02/28/2012 9:36:38 PM PST by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: Kartographer
I think right now the biggest fear is that we are headed for a perfect repeat of the 1930's, with economic depression and increased political extremism that only leads to one horrible conclusion: a general world war. And made more scary by the fact there are still several thousand nuclear warheads on top on land-based and submarine-based missiles that could be launched within a few minutes' notice and will impact on their targets in under 35 minutes.

If a nuclear exchange breaks out, most of the survivalist skills and equipment may be in vain, in my humble opinion, unless you are willing to live underground for a year or more. How you will survive with the onset of nuclear winter effectively stopping all agriculture and the fact rainfall and snowfall will contain dangerous amounts of radioactive material for at least five to seven years?

8 posted on 02/28/2012 9:37:41 PM PST by RayChuang88 (FairTax: America's economic cure)
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To: Kartographer

I agree. I hit 5 when I should have hit 3.


9 posted on 02/28/2012 9:37:52 PM PST by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: Kartographer
"Guess I am just a bit more optimistic, because I see us as only being deep in to stage 3."

I'm not so sure about optimism but I think we're in the later part of stage 2. Maybe a few aspects of stage 3.

IMO, when stage 3 arrives, stage 4 & 5 will come pretty rapidly afterward.

10 posted on 02/28/2012 9:38:57 PM PST by blam
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To: Kartographer
STAGE 1. The Decay Begins. . . . Goods are cheap and readily available. Everything seems to be in abundance. Stores are filled with retail items ready to be purchased. Life in general is good. The nation’s working infrastructure is solidly intact and working well. However, the idea that everyone is entitled to have what others have earned now permeates society. Redistribution of Wealth Policies are implemented and quietly woven into the fabric of society. Unchecked and under the guise of fairness and equality, these policies slowly decrease productivity and increase dependency on government entitlement and welfare programs.

The biggest redistribution of wealth I've seen has been from the poor and middle classes to the rich.

Likewise, the biggest government entitlement I've seen lately has been government bailout of the banksters--who believe they are entitled to it (they do the work of God, don't you know).

STAGE 2. The Slippery Slope The economy goes into a slow but steadily increasing decline. Unemployment is on the rise. Ever increasing numbers of people receive government assistance in one form or another. People are paid not to work. Government spending has increased dramatically. The price of gold, silver, and other precious metals rise to prices unheard of just a few years earlier. Inflation reaches the double digit levels.

Worse than being paid by the government not to work, are the Banksters--who are rewarded by the government for working us into this mess.

11 posted on 02/28/2012 9:39:45 PM PST by Age of Reason
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To: Kartographer

If things go completely to heck, I am opening a fortified flea market with a little black market behind the scenes, so common folks can barter what they have for what they need. A woman with a baby can trade something for some milk, another person some bullets for some tools. There would be nothing that would spit in the eye of the socialists then people having a way of getting what they need without the government. I will hire some former police and military for security.


12 posted on 02/28/2012 9:41:18 PM PST by dog breath
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To: dog breath

I just stashed away 14 more dozen canning lids for my use or barter.


13 posted on 02/28/2012 9:44:20 PM PST by blam
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To: blam

STAGE 4. The Grab for Power


We’re now in a Marxist dominated Oligarchy. The American “Nomenclatura” is in place.

{George Bush could have exposed 0bama and prevented him from being elected. Bush had all the inteligence on the evil bastard but did nothing and now we have an avowed enemy of the United States in our White House.}

Yes, we’re living under an Oligarchy.


14 posted on 02/28/2012 9:44:28 PM PST by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: unkus
yesterday, a few of my fellow nurses were just talking after work...some of them barry voters....and everyone is just scared...scared of all the violence...scared of something that no one can put a finger on...all talked about getting passports...

and then after work, I stopped for milk and just had this overwhelming sinking feeling...like everything could just disappear instantly...

I've got preps but they're all over the place...some pasta...some rice...soups...etc....

I just became overwhelmed with all of this....am becoming more and more scared of everything...

so I bought some extra pasta..put it in the freezer for now....and today I bought more soups....and a fold up wooden clothes rack from Goodwill...

I don't know folks....I am just spooked...

15 posted on 02/28/2012 9:55:54 PM PST by cherry
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To: cherry

You have every reason to be spooked. But keep your head and associate with and surround yourself with as many like minded people as you can.

Keep your preparation to yourself and don’t share what you’re doing with anyone but the most trusted.

Be safe and God bless us all.


16 posted on 02/28/2012 10:03:07 PM PST by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: cherry

You are not alone. I guess you know that, but maybe it helps that so many of us feel the same.

Perhaps that will be our eventual salvation, that we all know we have to survive, somehow, and we are all in this together, at least all of us formerly middle-class folks.

Passports aren’t enough. You need money to emigrate. Expats don’t get jobs in other countries. We will not be welcomed most places, if there are any places left. We can’t depend on our American dollar or American pensions in this sort of climate. If the productive folks leave, it guarantees that the USD and pensions will become devalued even more quickly.

I know I feel our preps amount to so little in the face of what could be overwhelming.


17 posted on 02/28/2012 10:04:37 PM PST by reformedliberal
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To: cherry

Do any of the Barry voters admit they made a mistake or show their disdain for him? Usually they won’t admit they made a mistake.


18 posted on 02/28/2012 10:06:24 PM PST by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: cherry

You know somethings are cheap but nutritious in small amounts, so you may want to stock up on them....sauerkraut and cans of sardines


19 posted on 02/28/2012 10:22:01 PM PST by goodnesswins (2012..."We mutually pledge our Lives, our Fortunes, and our Sacred Honor")
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To: unkus
This is a good reference point!

http://silverstealers.net/tss.html
20 posted on 02/28/2012 10:42:02 PM PST by Torquay
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To: Kartographer

I think we are at Stage 3 and very, very close to Stage 4.

We are in deep, deep trouble.

I see Americans fleeing our country from the shores in innertubes sometime before my time expires.


21 posted on 02/28/2012 11:08:31 PM PST by chris37 (Heartless.)
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To: RayChuang88
How you will survive with the onset of nuclear winter

Nuclear war is near the bottom of my list of things to worry about. Nuclear war is only possible when one side wants to utterly destroy the other side. However there is no political need for such an action. There was no such need in 20th century, and there is even less now. Any country that wishes for destruction of the USA only needs to buy a calendar.

The only possible threat of nuclear attack comes when the government, in its last and futile attempt to stay in power, uses nuclear weapons against its own country. It's possible - Assad is doing about that right now. He has no nukes, but he has artillery - and the only difference is in time that it takes to level a city. The end result is the same. This is possible because at least one side in that conflict has a strong desire to destroy the other side.

Aside from that, the next likely scenario that the USA may encounter is the economic collapse. As soon as the US dollar is no longer a desirable currency we cannot use it to buy oil. Without oil production and transportation of food will be curtailed (corn will rot in the fields.) Without food there will be riots. Once the riots start there will be National Guard in the streets. Not that it would help any - there isn't enough soldiers in the USA to patrol every street of every town. Perhaps there will be one soldier per town - or one small group of soldiers per hundred towns.

Regardless, once the soldiers are in the streets there will be shootings and there will be even larger riots. In the end soldiers will not be able to hold the ground, and they will retreat because doing anything else would require taking the route of Assad. Nothing less will be effective (see the success in Afghanistan.) If the army is not willing to kill citizens by hundreds of thousands then it might just as well not get involved to begin with. Generals know that. They also know that it's pretty hard for a US soldier to desert in Iraq; but it's trivial here and the soldiers will have plenty of motivation to do so.

22 posted on 02/28/2012 11:45:56 PM PST by Greysard
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To: RayChuang88

IMO, the “Nuclear Winter” theory and even how much radiation for how long rest on a lot of blanket assumptions. The most dangerous period, in terms of radioactivity, would be the first few weeks after, depending on half-lives of radioactive elements and wind patterns.


23 posted on 02/28/2012 11:49:14 PM PST by coydog (Time to feed the pigs!)
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To: blam; unkus; Kartographer

One could very well make a case for Stage 5. Look at the record:
1st Amendment - if 0bambi gets his way, religious liberty is gone. We don’t have a free press anymore.
2nd Amendment - constantly under attack.
3rd Amendment - Not yet; probably the last one to go.
4th Amendment - TSA
5th Amendment - see Kelo decided by SCOTUS
6th Amendment - the recent defense bill killed this one.
7th Amendment - judges rule by fiat.
8th Amendment - the current regime constitutes “cruel and unusual punishment”.
9th Amendment - it’s ajoke, right?
10th Amendment - now 0bambi is telling the states how to spend money.

It certainly is a sorry picture. BUT IT IS OUR OWN FAULT FOR LETTING THIS GO SO FAR.


24 posted on 02/28/2012 11:55:15 PM PST by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: Kartographer

Then they that are in Judea, let them flee to the mountains:
And he that is on the housetop, let him not come down to take any thing out of his house:
And he that is in the field, let him not go back to take his coat.
And woe to them that are with child, and that give suck in those days.
But pray that your flight be not in the winter, or on the sabbath.
Matthew 24; 15-20


25 posted on 02/29/2012 12:15:01 AM PST by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: reformedliberal
I've been prepping for a couple of years now, and meditating on the course of things to come. For the longest time I thought the answer was to simply store away provisions and hole up, but now I'm starting to realize that's not the answer (although storing away provisions is the first step).

If one holes up then, when they eventually emerge, they are going to find out that they are suddenly "living in Mexico", in total poverty and with everything controlled by ultra-violent "cartels".

I've decided the *only* hope this nation has is for a new movement, similar to "Promise Keepers", to sweep the nation. Particpants in the movement would commit themselves not just to their families, but to their employer and their society. They would wear some outward sign of their commitment - maybe a little pin - which would make a huge statment during a job interview.

Without such a movement we're going to descend into barbarism and violence. With such a movement we could yet resurrect the American Dream.

26 posted on 02/29/2012 5:39:27 AM PST by The Duke
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To: The Duke

We’ve had “Promise Keepers” and “Oath Keepers”. What is needed is “Dream Keepers” - keepers of the American Dream.


27 posted on 02/29/2012 5:41:00 AM PST by The Duke
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To: RayChuang88

Vladmir Alexandrov successfully debunked “nuclear winter” just before his disappearance. He analyzed the huge Siberian forest fire and found no global impact. The burning of the wells in Kuwait was likewise examined and found to contribute little to the global environment. Both events put gigatons of stuff into the atmosphere, like a big nuclear war would.

But as an antinuke platform for Sagan et al it just could not be beat.

Fallout is a problem if there are lots of ground bursts, and yes, you’d be under shelter for months if you are downwind of a plume. Got rad detection gear? I suggest an old CD ion chamber for high levels and a classic Geiger-Mueller rig for low level stuff.

Back then there were literally tens of thousands of warheads waiting to go. There are far fewer now, though the number is not insignificant.


28 posted on 02/29/2012 5:48:13 AM PST by DBrow
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To: The Duke
I think the coming violence, slowly, a little more every day, will force people into neighborhood groups for self-defense. Maybe with roving volunteer watches day and night.

These groups could merge into something like your 'Dream Keepers.'
I think most will need to have a serious fright before joining such organizations, though.

29 posted on 02/29/2012 6:20:15 AM PST by blam
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To: walkingdead

Ping.


30 posted on 02/29/2012 6:55:45 AM PST by filospinato
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To: Torquay

Thanks, Torquay. I’ll check it out.


31 posted on 02/29/2012 7:26:54 AM PST by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: cherry; unkus

“You have every reason to be spooked. But keep your head and associate with and surround yourself with as many like minded people as you can.”

Unkus is right, you have every reason to be worried, but not necessarilly afraid. I know exactly where you are. I was there myself a few years back. I get that overwhelming feeling now and again, but it’s really, really, really (can’t say enough reallys) good for you. (In fact, you can use it to your advantage. Keep a pen and paper with you, and when you get those feelings, write down a list of everything you’d need at that moment to get home safely, or what you couldn’t live without, etc., and start acquiring those skills and items.)

The Bible teaches prudence. Think of Joseph and Egypt. Think of Proverbs: “Consider the ant and her ways.” Think of the fable of the ant and the grasshopper (not in the Bible). The ants prepare and store, and perhaps most importantly, WORK. They work all the time, they don’t rest at all, that I know of (I mean vacation, not sleep). Well, you don’t need to be frightened, but you do need a firm resolution to get your house in order.

Nurses make a good income. Don’t be one of the lackey’s that says “I don’t have space.” Baloney. Depending on your size and activity, you need anywhere from 1-2 lbs of Dry goods per day to survive. That can be virtually anything. Rice, beans, wheat/flour (milled flour doesn’t keep as long, the others keep 30 years) mashed potato pearls, pasta, etc., etc. Each pound has roughly 1600 Calories in it. Now, consider this. It’s approximately 50lbs for a 6 gallon bucket of dry goods. You could have about a 2200 Calorie diet for 1 year if you had just 9 of those buckets. You can stack them 3x3 in the back of a closet (how I started out). That would set you back roughly $100-$150, if you bought in bulk, and you do it right NOW. (Wheat in my area is about $13/50lb sack, beans about $20, potato flakes, depends upon where you get them. Rice is $20/50lb sack at Sam’s Club.)

Don’t wait, go out and do it now. You won’t worry about whether or not you like that food if you have nothing else to eat. But it’s just a starting point. You’ll need spices, fats/oils, etc. along the way, and some canned or fresh veggies (from a garden). Meat if you really, really want it, but that’s quite costly, and not necessarilly good for you. Don’t waste your money on freeze dried. I mean, you can, but it’s not a good deal economically, not necessarilly more tasty, and certainly not a good place to start. You’ll need some good multivitamins. I recommend “Nature’s Way: Alive.” A consumer study listed it #1 out of 50 different name brand and generic multivitamins. It’s the one I use, and It’s well worth the cost (Which is not substantial, it’s about $20 or so for 180ct).

I suggest you go out and buy extra socks and underwear, and a method of washing them. It sounds like you have that in mind, as you mentioned a drying rack. You can buy a hand washer for about $15-$20, shipped. We hand washed our clothes in buckets for nearly a year. Anyone who has hand washed can tell you, it’s not the washing though, it’s the wringing out that’s the pain.

Anyway, I don’t mean to sound bossy, but I want to help light the fire. Don’t get overwhelmed. Use the stress as a motivator, not a deflator. I feel for a lot of folks, they have weeks, not even months to get prepared. I could be wrong, it’s just in my gut. But let me say one thing, to quote something I heard once, “If you pile up a lot of ‘tomorrows’ you’ll find you have a lot of empty ‘yesterdays.’” And, “If you don’t make decisions, in time, time will make decisions for you.”

Don’t be caught standing in life’s game of musical chairs. If you need any prepping advice just ask. I’m always here to help. If you’re not on it, Kartographer is the keeper of the “Prepper Ping list.” Every thread he pings us to, I add the keyword “Prepperping” to, so you can review all the old ones. Take care, and God Bless.


32 posted on 02/29/2012 8:04:09 AM PST by JDW11235 (http://www.thirty-thousand.org/)
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To: The Duke

You are absolutely right. I’m not saying that there’s no worry from nuclear fallout, but let’s be franks. Hundreds (if not thousands), of nukes have been detonated already. Much of the really nasty stuff leave pretty quickly. There’s also ways to mitigate radiation poisoning, depending on the severity and type of radiation. I dare say your best defense is to be healthy now, and to eat a fair amount of good, fresh, and wholesome food. A good immune system is part of God’s neverending mercy. He created us to be able to take a lot of damage, and still pull through. I wouldn’t go so far as to stay “Don’t worry!” but I surely think we need to keep it in proper perspective.


33 posted on 02/29/2012 8:09:18 AM PST by JDW11235 (http://www.thirty-thousand.org/)
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To: Kartographer

I’d say based on that list that we are on the cusp of stage 3 or already partly into stage 3. I am glad I live way, way out in the boonies. We have an artesian water source and a couple of bins full of Oats as well as a cellar across the road with a few million potatoes which we could trade water for and a sizable herd of meat on the hoof in the form of sheep and goats. All of the surrounding farms are either good friends or family. One thing I think every prepper should acquire if things get bad is a small heard of goats. They are easy to keep, cheap, and can live off of practically anything. They turn weeds and brush into meat and milk unlike cows who need grass. Chickens too are easy to keep and you can just let them forage most of the year.

Of course it may not be possible to keep all of these things if things really drop in the pot. Here’s hoping they won’t.


34 posted on 02/29/2012 8:24:30 AM PST by albionin
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To: NTHockey
That twenty centuries of stony sleep
were vexed to nightmare by a rocking cradle,
And what rough beast, its hour come round at last,
Slouches towards Bethlehem to be born?

W.B. Yeats - The Second Coming

35 posted on 02/29/2012 8:29:38 AM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: JDW11235

Very good! Thanks, JDW11235


36 posted on 02/29/2012 8:30:23 AM PST by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: cherry
everyone is just scared...scared of all the violence...scared of something that no one can put a finger on...

That's it. There's a dark "something" that's coming that more and more are beginning to realize it. Just this last week, a friend called to say they were reading 'One Second After' and 'Patriots' which surprised me as I didn't see them getting off the couch.

I grabbed a few more bags of pasta and dried beans at the store this week, too. Half the garden is planted and I'm feeling a nesting coming on in that there's some need to spring clean and organize to a higher degree.

37 posted on 02/29/2012 9:08:11 AM PST by bgill (Romney & Obama are both ineligible. A non-NBC GOP prez shuts down all ?s on Obama's admin)
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To: albionin

I have a question, can you help me out?

I’m thinking about adding some livestock to my way of life, and I’m not sure what to add. We currently have rabbits and chickens, and were thinking about adding some sheep. Are goats better than sheep? If so, why? I’ve never eaten goat, but I do love lamb. Dad was raised on goat and hates it, and says the meat smells. They’d have about 1/2 acre of pasture, and hay is relatively inexpensive here. They’d also get a supplement from the garden stuff. Would goats be a better choice? Thanks to anyone and everyone in advance.


38 posted on 02/29/2012 9:35:15 AM PST by JDW11235 (http://www.thirty-thousand.org/)
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To: Age of Reason
The biggest redistribution of wealth I've seen has been from the poor and middle classes to the rich.

I would find that hard to believe given the huge numbers of people supported by the government. It goes way beyond just welfare and food stamps, although those numbers are huge. Add 'em all up and it's got to total more than the bailouts. Dont' buy into the class envy mantra the libs are promoting - you're walking right into their trap.
39 posted on 02/29/2012 9:40:48 AM PST by CottonBall
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To: JDW11235

I don’t know anything about sheep but have raised goats. Goats are poop machines so your house better be up wind of them. They don’t have as much meat on them than sheep if that’s what you’re looking at.


40 posted on 02/29/2012 9:42:13 AM PST by bgill (Romney & Obama are both ineligible. A non-NBC GOP prez shuts down all ?s on Obama's admin)
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To: goodnesswins
You know somethings are cheap but nutritious in small amounts, so you may want to stock up on them....sauerkraut and cans of sardines

Sardines I can see, but sauerkraut?
41 posted on 02/29/2012 9:44:13 AM PST by CottonBall
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To: bgill

Ah, thanks bgill. You’re always a fountain of information, and I appreciate it. I love lamb, so that may be the clincher, but really I’m trying to look at an overall easy maintainance animal. We currently have about 50 goats on the property, but they’re not ours. (I’m moving, hence I’ll be able to get some of my own). I have never noticed the smell, but ut may be because of the several hundred cattle within a few hundred yards, and 50 or so within about 200 feet of the front door, lol. The smell from the cattle used to bother me, and still does when the snow first melts, but other than that, I don’t even notice it.

Now, dog doo, that’s terrible, and I can smell it at 50 yards.

Do you happen to know if goat droppings are a pretty good fertilizer? Do they require a lot of maintence? Is there much work involved in them. It doesn’t seem like it, since the people that take care of these goats seldom come by, especially in some months of the year. Can you tell me, does a goat require a lot of room? Sorry to ask so many questions, I’m just very curious, as it’ll be a semi-major investment.


42 posted on 02/29/2012 9:49:08 AM PST by JDW11235 (http://www.thirty-thousand.org/)
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To: cherry

Like you I am overwhelmed. Got baking ingredients but little flour. Weapon but little ammo. Cereal but little dry milk.
Just ‘learning how to can n garden. Don’t know how much time we have.


43 posted on 02/29/2012 10:00:40 AM PST by Donnafrflorida (Thru HIM all things are possible.)
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To: cherry

Like you I am overwhelmed. Got baking ingredients but little flour. Weapon but little ammo. Cereal but little dry milk.
Just ‘learning how to can n garden. Don’t know how much time we have.


44 posted on 02/29/2012 10:00:45 AM PST by Donnafrflorida (Thru HIM all things are possible.)
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To: goodnesswins
You know somethings are cheap but nutritious in small amounts, so you may want to stock up on them

Inexpensive food: Ramen Noodles

Stock up on bulk beans, rice, pasta. (don't forget the salt)

"How to Survive Hard Times"

How to Start Preparing for Hard Times on a Very Modest Budget
A 30-Day Emergency Food Supply for One Adult
One-Year Emergency Food Supply for One Adult
The Basic Minimum Necessities for Survival During Hard Times

45 posted on 02/29/2012 10:02:21 AM PST by Iron Munro ("Don't pick a fight with an old man. If he is too old to fight he'll just kill you." John Steinbeck)
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To: CottonBall

See the two citations below....I consider it a possible WINTER vegetable that’s cheap and easy, stores well, and for a LONG time.....I don’t know where they think it has lots of sugar content from what I see....

NutritionData’s Nutrition Data’s Opinion

The good: This food is low in Saturated Fat, and very low in Cholesterol. It is also a good source of Calcium and Magnesium, and a very good source of Dietary Fiber, Vitamin C, Vitamin K, Vitamin B6, Folate, Iron, Potassium, Copper and Manganese.

The bad: This food is very high in Sodium, and a large portion of the calories in this food come from sugars.

Or see this...
http://www.nutrientfacts.com/FoodPages/nutritionfacts/nutritionfacts_sauerkraut.htm


46 posted on 02/29/2012 10:18:22 AM PST by goodnesswins (2012..."We mutually pledge our Lives, our Fortunes, and our Sacred Honor")
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To: CottonBall; goodnesswins
"Sardines I can see, but sauerkraut?"

Sauerkraut has anti-viral properties. I keep some in storage just for that reason.

47 posted on 02/29/2012 10:39:44 AM PST by blam
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To: blam

YES, that TOO!


48 posted on 02/29/2012 10:47:56 AM PST by goodnesswins (2012..."We mutually pledge our Lives, our Fortunes, and our Sacred Honor")
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To: blam; goodnesswins
Sauerkraut has anti-viral properties. I keep some in storage just for that reason.

Do you keep it canned (as from the store) or is there a better way to long-term storage?

Thanks to both of you for the info.
49 posted on 02/29/2012 10:51:32 AM PST by CottonBall
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To: cherry
yesterday, a few of my fellow nurses were just talking after work...some of them barry voters....and everyone is just scared...scared of all the violence...scared of something that no one can put a finger on...all talked about getting passports...

and then after work, I stopped for milk and just had this overwhelming sinking feeling...like everything could just disappear instantly...


Interesting that Obama voters aren't swallowing the koolaid that everything is peachy and will be great by the election.

I think that too, when I see how fragile the system is that brings food to the grocery stores. A few missed shipments and the riots will begin.

Good for you for stocking up. Every bit helps, just keep adding to it when you can.
50 posted on 02/29/2012 10:55:03 AM PST by CottonBall
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