Posted on 03/01/2012 1:50:50 PM PST by DiogenesLamp
I just finished Watching Sheriff Arpaio's press conference. The Sheriff's posse has concluded that the document was created on a computer and is therefore a forgery.
I will once again point out that if Obama was adopted, he would get a replacement birth certificate that will be designed to look like an original 1961 birth certificate, but it will in fact have been created by the Department of Health in the State of Hawaii at the Direction of an Hawaiian State Judge.
"The Obama was Adopted" theory addresses the "forgery" issue head on, and precludes it from being a crime. In my opinion, this is the simplest explanation for the fact that Obama's document looks cobbled together, and that Hawaii is tacitly confirming it as legitimate.
I will further add, (for those who have not already been so informed) that *I* was adopted, and *I* have a birth certificate which was created six years after I was born, and is in fact a replacement birth certificate that lists my new last name, new parent's names, etc.
This theory ties up a lot of the loose ends neatly (not all of them) and it doesn't involve believing that the Hawaiian government is involved in a criminal "conspiracy." I urge people to consider this idea before jumping to the conclusion that everyone involved with producing this document has committed a criminal act.
You know better than I. What can be done about getting him reinstated? He is an exceptional researcher, and a staunch ally. He was one of the first people to make me feel welcome when I first signed on.
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I don’t know, if he’s reading this, I hope he asks JR to give him another chance. He was one of the good ones and a loss to FR. Unfortunately, I never got his email address and we always corresponded here on FR. I don’t think we can post an email address here so unless someone else has his email, there is no way to reach him. :(
Bushpilot1, if you are reading this, ask JR to let you back in.
Who do you think i'm defending?
Here is a suggestion as the lefts tactic of make fun of those who raise certain issues is getting old much like PC.
I do not understand what you are talking about.
I applaud his teams work. They did come up with a few new things of which I had not heard. I would just like to know that they have looked at this issue from the perspective i've mentioned in this thread.
If they have considered the possibility that the document is a forgery produced by the Department of Health in Hawaii as a replacement document due to an Adoption or an Annulled Adoption, then that is all that I can ask.
If they have considered the idea and dismissed it for good cause, then my concern will have been addressed. I just don't think they have considered the idea. A lot of people seem to think it is far fetched, yet it seems to me the simplest was to explain stuff that doesn't make sense otherwise.
In all honesty, I posted this thread in the hopes that someone could get the idea to the posse just to make sure they have considered it.
it can’t be both, either it is a forgery or legal, I knew the loons on the left were dumb but FFS this is even way out for them .
Read this, and then tell me which document is legal, and which document is the forgery.
The White House never claimed it was only ever a digital copy. It claimed to have the physical document.
This question has come up before. I think they have both. I think the "physical document" is a print out of that PDF file from the DOH in Hawaii. I would point out that very few people have actually SEEN the physical version of the document, and when it was shown that one time, Obama's attorney guarded it like it was the Crown Jewels of England.
I regard the words "or an abstract" as the legal escape clause to cover up the fact that it *IS* an abstract (not an original) cobbled together by DOH. (Which they WILL do if a Judge so orders.)
The public statements by Hawaiian officials are obfuscatory and ambiguous. I agree. Something is fishy in Hawaii. :)
Edge919 pointed out that the Dunham/Soetoro divorce documents indicate Barry was still regarded as a dependent of Soetoro, and pointed out that this piece of information hurts the Adoption by Grandparents theory. It just occurred to me that Stanley Ann didn't necessarily tell Lolo Soetoro anything about it, preferring to leave him financially on the hook if possible. (How was he going to find out? He was thousands of miles away in Indonesia.)
It is reported that he stayed in an apartment in the same building as the Dunhams and that they paid for that and his travel while he was there. He basically was the Dunhams guest on that trip.
All these odd incidents seem to dovetail nicely with the adoption theory.
It does feel like we are dealing with the Heisenberg Uncertainty Principle!
I think your analysis is good.
Thanks. I would like to take credit for it, but others have suggested it as well. In any case, it's good to see that some people understand what I am trying to say. Yeah, it may not be right, but people should at least point out the holes in it rather than just carp.
The problem is that Obama has presented a false story. He presented this pile of garbage as an original document. He needed to to keep looking eligible.
And my thinking is that if he has recently amended it (say 2006) he could possibly get it to say what he needed it to say.
The postal stamp on his elective Service is a big problem. It's my understanding that you can't get a job in government without signing up.
Yes, I agree. That is an entirely different topic, and I currently have no other explanation than that it is a willful and illegal forgery.
I'm not ready to go so far as to say that Hawaiian officials are corrupt. I could accept "incompetent" because I have plenty of familiarity with incompetence in governmental officials, but without clear evidence, I wouldn't suggest they are corrupt.
That being said, it may be very well within the legal process to get a document to say whatever it needs to say. If they can indict a ham sandwich, they can torture a document into confessing whatever they want. :)
you wouldn’t
do you think obama was really born in HI and is eligible to be where he is?
You are not writing about rules or privacy. You are writing about format.
I am writing about both. The REASON they make replacement birth certificates LOOK original is to prevent adopted children from realizing they are adopted.
Many people who adopt children don't want the children to discover that they are adopted. Often couples will have an adopted child together with their own biological children, and they don't want the adopted child to think of themselves as an outsider.
The legal systems in all the states have long agreed that this is often in the best interest of an adopted child, so they made it possible for birth certificates to be created that look exactly like the original birth certificate so that the adopted child (And lets face it, Children have to have their birth certificates for all sorts of reasons, such as playing on a baseball team and such.) will not find anything on it to give away the fact that they are adopted.
Bye
If you are so quick to dismiss an idea without carefully considering it, I can't see how you would be much help anyway.
You have explained my point better than I have. I agree.
Well honestly, I have nothing to hide. The truth is the truth. So at best, you get attacked through packs of lies. A grain of truth might be in it, but the rest literally ends being a pack of lies.
I am in the same boat. I never bothered to trade email addresses with him because I always thought he would be here.
Bushpilot1, if you are reading this, ask JR to let you back in.
Alternatively, I am going to ask JR to send my email information to bushpilot1 so he can contact me even if they won't let him back in. Also, can we not ask JR to let him back in?
I do not know where Obama was born, and I do not trust anything which he has shown as proof of where he was born.
I think he is covering up the facts of his birth, and he may very well have been born out of the country.
If you click on your name on any post it will take you to your FR page. When you click on In Forum it takes you to every comment you ever made.
Thanks. There is stuff i'm still learning here.
FWIW, at 6:48 PM - 27 Apr 11, Savannah Guthrie, of NBC, tweeted, I saw the certified copy of long-form POTUS birth certificate today, felt the raised seal, snapped this pic http://plixi.com/p/96540721
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Then, of course, there is that correspondence the White House revealed in which Judith Corley gets the HDoH to make and release the two certified copies, which she allegedly flew to Honolulu to pick up and hand-carry back to the WH. That could all be fake, of course, and, if so, it would be a sadistic pleasure to see Judy Corley's law license yanked for abetting a fraud. But, again, don't hold your breath!
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