Declaration above signature line of 1968 passport renewal.
"BTW, why doesn’t Barack’s name appear on the earlier passport application?"
Some documents are edited or withheld due to exemption from FOIA.
Posted on 03/01/2012 1:50:50 PM PST by DiogenesLamp
I just finished Watching Sheriff Arpaio's press conference. The Sheriff's posse has concluded that the document was created on a computer and is therefore a forgery.
I will once again point out that if Obama was adopted, he would get a replacement birth certificate that will be designed to look like an original 1961 birth certificate, but it will in fact have been created by the Department of Health in the State of Hawaii at the Direction of an Hawaiian State Judge.
"The Obama was Adopted" theory addresses the "forgery" issue head on, and precludes it from being a crime. In my opinion, this is the simplest explanation for the fact that Obama's document looks cobbled together, and that Hawaii is tacitly confirming it as legitimate.
I will further add, (for those who have not already been so informed) that *I* was adopted, and *I* have a birth certificate which was created six years after I was born, and is in fact a replacement birth certificate that lists my new last name, new parent's names, etc.
This theory ties up a lot of the loose ends neatly (not all of them) and it doesn't involve believing that the Hawaiian government is involved in a criminal "conspiracy." I urge people to consider this idea before jumping to the conclusion that everyone involved with producing this document has committed a criminal act.
Not only the chin, but the hair color, the nose the shape of the face and eyes, the eye set on the face, the forehead and the neck. that IS not Stanley Anne Dunham and I don’t care who says it is.
The moral of the story is, you can’t take anything Nicoloff writes seriously. I don’t think he expects us to, he also wrote that zero was a lizard, and he writes about UFO’s. So anyone who uses material from that website is either pulling our legs or terribly naive.
Either way, it’s a total waste of time trying to have discussions with anyone who frequents the site and takes it seriously enough to post images from it here.
The only reason to be uncertain is if you are an illiterate. The State Department documents clearly state why you would write someone's name there and cross through it. It is because that person has forsworn his American nationality and naturalized as a foreigner.
Stanley Ann is in the top row, fourth from the right. Here is one link to a source. It's not the original link I used to find that picture, (I originally just googled it.) but it seems pretty decent.
I had actually considered this, but I kinda wanted the pictures to be from 1960 because it would explain what Barack was trying to cover up. (That Barack sr. was not really his daddy.)
My thinking went like this. The two Album covers visible in the photographs place it after 1957. It is obviously Christmas in the photos. *IF* they were taken in Christmas of 1960, they would be taken around the time Stanley Ann became pregnant. I likewise assumed that if someone is taking a naked picture of a woman in 1960, they are very likely having sex with her, hence the photographer is very likely the baby's daddy. Since Muslims don't celebrate Christmas, that makes it likely Frank Davis was the guy behind the camera. (Also, i've located his house in Hawaii in 1960, and the Window in the photos seems to share the same peculiar frame spacing as a particular window of his house.) According to his book, he was an avid photographer and he specialized in nude photographs of young women.
The theory goes like this. Stanley used to go over to Frank's house to listen to records, and he and her eventually started doing the Hanky Panky. When she got pregnant, to prevent Daddy (Stanley Dunham) from discovering his best friend was poking his daughter, they went out and found Barack Obama sr. to pretend *HE* did it.
Now if the photos are NOT of 1960, then they could have been 1962 at the earliest, because it wasn't until 1962 that she came back to Hawaii from Washington.
I would like to mention more observations and details but I am pressed for time and have to go now. If you have any observations or other details, I would certainly be interested in hearing them.
That theory is based on the assumption that Stanley Ann is the woman in the nudie photos. Are you 100% sure that is her? If it’s not her, that entire theory is blown all to hell.
What are all those scars on Barry’s head?
I don't know Nicoloff, and I make no claims regarding his beliefs. I have a very good reason for believing that girl fourth from the right is in fact Stanley Ann Duham. He is not the only source for that picture.
I didn’t bother to look to see it it’s still there, but he also has a segment which showed that zero WAS A REPTILLIAN...so I’m telling you, if that’s where you get your material, I’m through with you, period.
I've known about that photograph for what seems like years. It's floating about the net. When I mentioned it before, I grabbed the first google link which showed it. So a crackpot has found it too. Whatever. The photo does exist, and it does show Stanley Ann Dunham attending school in Ponca City Oklahoma.
You can be through with me if you wish. I have been polite and I fail to see the need to be accusatory regarding other people's motives. (At least on the side of those of us who feel Barack is illegitimate.) Save it for the Obots.
I have a very good reason for believing it is. :)
Pretty much. I would like to take credit for this idea, but I wasn't the first person to suggest it. I think I saw it at Obama File first. The guy running that website does first class research, and he is a Freeper as well. (I forget his name though.)
The guy running that website does first class research, and he is a Freeper as well. (I forget his name though.
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I think it would benefit you greatly to read all of the older threads here on FR regarding the BC issue. Yes, Beckwith is a FReeper and used to be a frequent poster on FR.
I have a very good reason for believing it is. :)
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I suspect I know what that reason is, but just tell us what is is.
I have a very good reason for believing the woman in the Photograph is in fact Stanley Ann Dunham. As a matter of fact, it is the EXACT SAME REASON why I believe that little girl fourth from the right in the top row (of that class photo) is also Stanley Ann Dunham.
What are all those scars on Barry’s head?
I don't know. I pointed them out (and the injury to his leg) to a Friend of mine who is an MD and he hadn't been previously aware of them. He said it does indeed look as though Barack had been in a serious accident at some point in his life. He explained to me about the "compartment syndrome" on his leg, and why it was necessary.
The explanation that I like the best (Doesn't mean it's true, just that I *LIKE* this explanation the best) is that he got those injuries in New York during that Armored Car robbery he assisted in perpetrating during an alliance between the Weather Underground and the Black Liberation Army. He was in New York at the time, Hung out with the same sort of people, and curiously won't talk about it.
Apparently one of the perpetrators was badly injured in a car crash, but they managed to escape the police. I believe this idea was originally suggested by Zombietime.
The reason I like it is because if it can be proven to be true, it will mean our President was involved in a Felony Robbery during which a man was killed, and will therefore have to be treated as he deserves. (Sent to Prison.) His supporters will have been shown to be the worst kind of idiots and buffoons, and those of us who have questioned his background will be demonstrated to be the only sensible people in the nation.
Alternatively, i've heard the theory that he got those scars in a motorcycle accident while visiting Kenya, but I like the first theory better. :)
I’ll tell you in Freepmail.
But would he have renounced US citizenship? I know the conventional wisdom for some people is that he hates America, his mother hated America, his grandfather hated America, etc. But consider: people were getting pulled off the streets and killed in Indonesia in the 1960s (or killed right on the street). It does seem perverse that a mother would let or encourage her son to renounce US citizenship at such a time.
True, his mother did essentially turn him over to her parents, but that's not so bad in comparison with putting him at the mercy of events in an unstable dictatorship. If on the other hand, there was no official renunciation of US citizenship, but only an informal assumption of parental responsibilities by Lolo or some Indonesian adoption that didn't get back to the US authorities, why would Barack's name have been entered and crossed off?
PS: You seem saner, politer, and more responsible than some of the other theorists. Sad to see you buying into the "Obama's mom naked" story. The odds are pretty slim of private photos like that surviving and getting hawked on the Internet, as opposed to the commercial porn of the day, and so far, it hasn't been seriously suggested that Stanley Ann was in that business.
So did FMD take pictures and sell them to the industry on his own? That's a stretch. Where there already is an industry devoted to that sort of thing, the odds that some random woman's pictures are going to end up circulated like that aren't that great. Again, it's not impossible, but it looks like people let their imagination run away with themselves.
But would he have renounced US citizenship? I know the conventional wisdom for some people is that he hates America, his mother hated America, his grandfather hated America, etc. But consider: people were getting pulled off the streets and killed in Indonesia in the 1960s (or killed right on the street). It does seem perverse that a mother would let or encourage her son to renounce US citizenship at such a time.
I don't think Obama renounced his US Citizenship. I don't think a minor can do such a thing (though Sven Magnussen disagrees) and I don't think Obama saw any need to do so when he was old enough to do so. I think he simply hung on to his Indonesian passport, and used it when he saw an advantage in doing so. (Traveling to Pakistan, and perhaps getting aid as a foreign student.)
True, his mother did essentially turn him over to her parents, but that's not so bad in comparison with putting him at the mercy of events in an unstable dictatorship. If on the other hand, there was no official renunciation of US citizenship, but only an informal assumption of parental responsibilities by Lolo or some Indonesian adoption that didn't get back to the US authorities, why would Barack's name have been entered and crossed off?
My guess is that at the time, his mother thought that she would be with Lolo for the rest of her life. She didn't foresee a divorce in her future. (Who does?)
PS: You seem saner, politer, and more responsible than some of the other theorists. Sad to see you buying into the "Obama's mom naked" story. The odds are pretty slim of private photos like that surviving and getting hawked on the Internet, as opposed to the commercial porn of the day, and so far, it hasn't been seriously suggested that Stanley Ann was in that business.
The odds are astronomical. It is just freakin amazing that such things could have surfaced as they did. Have you read Jack Cashill's book "Deconstructing Obama"? ( I have an autographed copy.) In his book he claimed that Frank Davis got into photography in the 1930s, and became quite an avid photographer. Jack Cashill's book mentioned he got this information from Frank Marshall Davis' book "Livin' the Blues", so I bought a used copy of that. In Frank Davis' book he does indeed mention that most of his photography is photographs of naked women. Frank Davis also mentions how easy it is to get them to pose naked. He claims to have photographed hundreds of naked women. (Bear in mind this is in the 40s, 50s, and 60s, where there was a lot more stigma regarding this sort of behavior.)
So did FMD take pictures and sell them to the industry on his own? That's a stretch.
It is my understanding that the person who made people aware of these photographs is a retired Australian College Professor named John Ray. (I have exchanged emails with him.) The original article which he used to release them was posted at "Astute Bloggers" (a VERY good website. He (reliapundit) comes up with stuff you won't find anywhere else, or if so, much later AFTER he posted it.)
Reading through the various links of it and such, I recall seeing speculation that these photographs were part of Franks private collection, which he eventually swapped with other collectors back in the 1980s through email and such. I don't know. Speculation is anybody's guess.
Where there already is an industry devoted to that sort of thing, the odds that some random woman's pictures are going to end up circulated like that aren't that great. Again, it's not impossible, but it looks like people let their imagination run away with themselves.
Yes, people are trying to wrap their minds around any theory which explains the strange circumstances surrounding this guy. Some of them get pretty "out there" but bear in mind, Obama's story is pretty "out there" anyways. When you've already entered the "twilight zone" a lot of weird ideas start to look credible.
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