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Once Again I will Posit Adoption for Barack Obama.
Various | 3/1/2012 | DiogenesLamp

Posted on 03/01/2012 1:50:50 PM PST by DiogenesLamp

I just finished Watching Sheriff Arpaio's press conference. The Sheriff's posse has concluded that the document was created on a computer and is therefore a forgery.

I will once again point out that if Obama was adopted, he would get a replacement birth certificate that will be designed to look like an original 1961 birth certificate, but it will in fact have been created by the Department of Health in the State of Hawaii at the Direction of an Hawaiian State Judge.

"The Obama was Adopted" theory addresses the "forgery" issue head on, and precludes it from being a crime. In my opinion, this is the simplest explanation for the fact that Obama's document looks cobbled together, and that Hawaii is tacitly confirming it as legitimate.

I will further add, (for those who have not already been so informed) that *I* was adopted, and *I* have a birth certificate which was created six years after I was born, and is in fact a replacement birth certificate that lists my new last name, new parent's names, etc.

This theory ties up a lot of the loose ends neatly (not all of them) and it doesn't involve believing that the Hawaiian government is involved in a criminal "conspiracy." I urge people to consider this idea before jumping to the conclusion that everyone involved with producing this document has committed a criminal act.


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I will further point out, that both Obama's mother and Identified father (Barack Obama Sr.) came to Hawaii at the same time (which was December of 1971, I believe) and thereafter Obama remained in the custody of his Grandparents, Stanley Armour and Madelyn Dunham.

I will suggest that it is perfectly reasonable for Obama's Grandparents to have Adopted him, especially if he had been adopted by His Mother's second husband (Lolo Soetoro) in Indonesia. (Evidence exists to indicate this.) In the process of (His Grandparents) acquiring legal custody of Barry Soetoro, it may very well have required both Barack Sr. and Stanley Ann to sign some documents. This would explain their simultaneous presence.

I will point out once again, that thereafter he lived with his grandparents. It would be foolish to assume that they did not engage in some sort of legal process to be his legal guardians.

An adoption would help to makes sense of (most of) this mess of confusing facts.

1 posted on 03/01/2012 1:50:53 PM PST by DiogenesLamp
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To: DiogenesLamp

You are so off base. If in fact he was adopted his birth certificate would have the adopted parents names on the certificate and not the original parents.


3 posted on 03/01/2012 1:56:01 PM PST by onthegulf
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To: onthegulf

And his original certificate would still be there, that is never changed.


4 posted on 03/01/2012 1:57:44 PM PST by onthegulf
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To: DiogenesLamp
Facts are never confusing. Confusion is the art of camoflage over lies otherwise recognized.

"Always lie. Lie big. Never lie about small things. Make the lies so big and outrageous that any accuser seems to be without merit. Never mix truth with lies, as that only serves to trip you up." - Bill Clinton, from Year of The Rat, 1996

5 posted on 03/01/2012 1:59:06 PM PST by blackdog (There is no such thing as healing, only a balance between destructive and constructive forces.)
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To: DiogenesLamp
BUT... was Barry really Stanley Ann's child?

Have you ever seen any photos of her pregnant?

6 posted on 03/01/2012 1:59:32 PM PST by UCANSEE2 (Lame and ill-informed post)
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To: DiogenesLamp
Why don't you go study for about a month and then comment. You can learn all there is to know right here at FR on past threads with links.

Unless of course you are an Obama plant, then just go away.

7 posted on 03/01/2012 2:01:07 PM PST by faucetman ( Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts)
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To: UCANSEE2

He may not be Stanley Ann’s child, but he’s DEFINITELY related to Stanley Ann’s father. He and Barry are the spitting image of each other, Barry just has a tan.


8 posted on 03/01/2012 2:01:22 PM PST by madison10
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To: DiogenesLamp

Obama acts like a spoiled rich kid who never had to work a real days work in his life. Not to mention he is a pathological lier and some kind of screwed up indiviual. Probably just your average messed up Marxist crackpot?


9 posted on 03/01/2012 2:04:19 PM PST by Leep (Dueling tag lines=don't worry,you'll be a vegetable guy soon<>It's gonna be a Newt day!)
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To: DiogenesLamp

Obama acts like a spoiled rich kid who never had to work a real days work in his life. Not to mention he is a pathological lier and some kind of screwed up indiviual. Probably just your average messed up Marxist crackpot?


10 posted on 03/01/2012 2:04:33 PM PST by Leep (Dueling tag lines=don't worry,you'll be a vegetable guy soon<>It's gonna be a Newt day!)
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To: DiogenesLamp

From age 10 to age 18, Obama was in the legal custody of Catholic Social Services of CT (Explains his CT SSN). His grandmother was appointed as his guardian. After he turned 18, he naturalized as a US citizen.


11 posted on 03/01/2012 2:04:55 PM PST by SvenMagnussen (What would MacGyver do?)
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To: DiogenesLamp
I will further add, (for those who have not already been so informed) that *I* was adopted, and *I* have a birth certificate which was created six years after I was born, and is in fact a replacement birth certificate that lists my new last name, new parent's names, etc.

That's only germane if it would not be apparent to a competent investigator examining your birth certificate that it is an amended birth certificate.

12 posted on 03/01/2012 2:07:47 PM PST by cynwoody
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To: DiogenesLamp

I don’t think any of it matters anyhow. Even if it was absolutely proved a fraud, nobody that is able would do anything about it. It is what it is and he is there until we vote his butt out or his time runs out.

About the only chance of it mattering would be in some future history book, if there is truth to the fraud...perhaps they will tell the tale.


13 posted on 03/01/2012 2:09:31 PM PST by Irenic
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To: DiogenesLamp

Even if you are right about the BC...

It doesn’t make him look good.

What about the Selective Service Card Forgery and fake SS numbers.


14 posted on 03/01/2012 2:11:58 PM PST by CalTexan
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To: onthegulf
You are so off base. If in fact he was adopted his birth certificate would have the adopted parents names on the certificate and not the original parents.

Think it through. The document was created on a computer. They didn't have those in 1971. (not for that stuff anyway.)

Barack got the adoption annulled, sometime within the last several years.

15 posted on 03/01/2012 2:12:21 PM PST by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: jarofants
A newbie. Why they let you post crap like this TROLL.

Thank you for that opinion. I'm sure it passes for wisdom amongst the other oysters in the bed.

16 posted on 03/01/2012 2:13:50 PM PST by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: DiogenesLamp

My mother and bio father were divorced, my mother remarried and her new husband adopted me. I have two birth certificates same mother and my bio father. The second BC has my ‘new’ name and my adopted father who appears as my bio father, both have BCs have the same address where we lived when I was born.
“I will once again point out that if Obama was adopted, he would get a replacement birth certificate that will be designed to look like an original 1961 birth certificate, but it will in fact have been created by the Department of Health”
[both of my BCs were created by the Department of Health of the state I was born. My ‘replacement BC’ looks nothing like my original BC’. I think you should verify your source[s]


17 posted on 03/01/2012 2:17:28 PM PST by tiger-one
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To: onthegulf
And his original certificate would still be there, that is never changed.

When a child is adopted, the original is sealed. It cannot be released without a court order. Neither the State nor the Federal government wants individuals to possess two different birth certificates which can be used for identification purposes.

Obama's legal team may have requested the production of a new birth certificate rather than an unsealing of the original. I think the only person that could answer this question authoritatively is a lawyer or judge who has been involved in a similar process.

18 posted on 03/01/2012 2:18:56 PM PST by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: UCANSEE2
BUT... was Barry really Stanley Ann's child?

As far as i'm concerned, yes.

Have you ever seen any photos of her pregnant?

No, but that doesn't prove anything. I haven't seen pictures of the inside of the Dunham bathroom, but I have no doubt that they had one.

19 posted on 03/01/2012 2:20:56 PM PST by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: onthegulf

That was easy.


20 posted on 03/01/2012 2:24:33 PM PST by jersey117 (The Stepford Media should be sued for malpractice)
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To: onthegulf

That was easy.


21 posted on 03/01/2012 2:24:33 PM PST by jersey117 (The Stepford Media should be sued for malpractice)
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To: SvenMagnussen
From age 10 to age 18, Obama was in the legal custody of Catholic Social Services of CT (Explains his CT SSN). His grandmother was appointed as his guardian. After he turned 18, he naturalized as a US citizen.

Drivel.

22 posted on 03/01/2012 2:24:43 PM PST by cynwoody
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To: UCANSEE2
Have you ever seen any photos of her pregnant?

Back then unmarried pregnant girls were sent away before they began to "show." And they didn't have many cameras in Kenya.

ML/NJ

23 posted on 03/01/2012 2:27:33 PM PST by ml/nj
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To: faucetman
Why don't you go study for about a month and then comment. You can learn all there is to know right here at FR on past threads with links.

You ought to know better. Because I don't consider any of the stuff presented (so far) as proof that someone else is the mother, doesn't mean I haven't looked into this issue quite a lot. References to "anna" in the "Philippines" and assertions that Stanley Ann never went by the name "ann" or "anna" (Contradicted by her Aunt in Arkansas), assertions that the Kenyan Grandmother said this or that, etc. are so incredibly trivial as to constitute nothing in the way of proof. They have the weight of a feather as far as evidence goes, and that is just my opinion.

Unless of course you are an Obama plant, then just go away.

How does suggesting that a replacement birth certificate created by a court order make me an Obama "plant"? From my perspective, it pushes the most salient point of the issue.

We have yet to see real proof he was born *IN* Hawaii.

Can you and I not agree that this is true?

24 posted on 03/01/2012 2:28:21 PM PST by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: DiogenesLamp
Adopted? Late registration of birth?

Seems to me then that no matter how much trouble it is the state of Hawaii -- with Obama's approval -- could produce the actual 1961 (1971 or whatever) document. Seems to me that it would solve a lot of problems and be worth the effort.

Sheriff Joe said it's a forgery -- so just release the real thing.

All we are saying♩♪♫
is give release a chance♩♪♫

I remember people saying that it's all a trap. An October 2012 surprise will be the real document and all the "birthers" will be proved to be total fools, Obama will win by carrying all 57 states and . . . .

Well it ain't going to happen .. they overplayed their hand with this shenanigan -- BTW the news conference said that they have the name of a person "of interest" who could be or know who done it.

25 posted on 03/01/2012 2:30:16 PM PST by WilliamofCarmichael (If modern America's Man on Horseback is out there, Get on the damn horse already!)
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To: madison10
He may not be Stanley Ann’s child, but he’s DEFINITELY related to Stanley Ann’s father. He and Barry are the spitting image of each other, Barry just has a tan.

And this is my opinion as well. The genetic resemblance is too strong to ignore in my opinion.

26 posted on 03/01/2012 2:30:25 PM PST by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: Leep
Obama acts like a spoiled rich kid who never had to work a real days work in his life. Not to mention he is a pathological lier and some kind of screwed up indiviual. Probably just your average messed up Marxist crackpot?

No argument from me.

27 posted on 03/01/2012 2:32:20 PM PST by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: SvenMagnussen
From age 10 to age 18, Obama was in the legal custody of Catholic Social Services of CT (Explains his CT SSN). His grandmother was appointed as his guardian. After he turned 18, he naturalized as a US citizen.

I am not discounting this theory. I am still waiting for evidence regarding it one way or the other. It does not conflict with what I know of the facts.

28 posted on 03/01/2012 2:34:13 PM PST by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: SvenMagnussen

“From age 10 to age 18, Obama was in the legal custody of Catholic Social Services of CT (Explains his CT SSN). His grandmother was appointed as his guardian. After he turned 18, he naturalized as a US citizen.”

Quit spewing this phony bullcrap. There is no proof whatsoever of your claim which you made a few weeks ago and seems like the claim originates with you.

Put up some documentation, links or proof of your theory or STFU about your personal wet dreams.

Sheriff Joe laid a pretty convincing case today, I suggest you take off your rose colored glasses or just make your way over to DU where you would be more welcomed.


29 posted on 03/01/2012 2:34:25 PM PST by Finatic (I ran out of change and have given up on hope. FUBO, I am so sick of your sorry a$$ you effin punk)
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To: DiogenesLamp

Get a clue. As Rush said, “dumb people are too dumb to know it.”


30 posted on 03/01/2012 2:38:20 PM PST by pelican001
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To: DiogenesLamp

Do you really believe that the State of Hawaii would allow an 18 year old girl that is married to a foreign student to adopt a child when neither of them had any income, and weren’t even living together?


31 posted on 03/01/2012 2:47:31 PM PST by chatter4
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To: DiogenesLamp; jarofants; mojitojoe
The Arizona Sheriffs Cold Case investigators have made a probable cause case that the birth certificate alleged to be Obamas and posted by Obama’s agents as authentic, is a fraud.

I would say that just about anything you can come up with as documentary alternate proof has already been thoroughly vetted. These trained investigators are not pikers and have resources that you do not, that none of us have.

Obama himself had spent nearly 2 million dollars in obscuring the true facts of his documentation, in travel expenses and legal fees , before the DOJ took over the task from Obama’s private funding using his campaign chest ( yes he did get permission from the Federal Election Commission to spend the money to obscure his birth facts.

The fact is that we do not know who Obama really is, we have only a documentary construct of who Obama wants US ALL to think who he is.And your theory of adoption results only in further obscuration. Its time to get to clarity on the defacto ( not dejure) situs of Obama's birth, and his parentage, as well as his subsequent travels under both his Indonesian and US Passports.

If you do not see the constitutional necessity of the initiative undertaken by the Arizona Cold Case investigators, my conclusion is the same as Freeper Jarofants:

You are a newbie TROLL who seeks only to further muddy the waters of the issue, rather than to clarify them.

32 posted on 03/01/2012 2:49:24 PM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascist info..http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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To: cynwoody
That's only germane if it would not be apparent to a competent investigator examining your birth certificate that it is an amended birth certificate.

It has no such indication. I looked at it very closely to see if there was anything that said it was a replacement birth certificate.

This confounded me for a bit, because the document has a stamped seal from the state attesting to it's veracity, and I couldn't figure out how they could assert it was accurate when I knew for a fact that it wasn't. (I have always known I was adopted. I remember the judge asking me if I wanted to take the name of my new daddy.)

They get around this problem with clever wording. The Stamp says this:

I hereby certify the foregoing to be a true and correct copy, original of which is on file in this office.

It IMPLIES that it is a copy of the "Original". It does not SAY that it is a copy of the Original. It SAYS, the "Original" "is on file in this office."

I guess that is why they have clever lawyers writing the wording. The idea is to not let adopted children become aware that they were adopted.

33 posted on 03/01/2012 2:50:36 PM PST by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: Irenic
I don’t think any of it matters anyhow. Even if it was absolutely proved a fraud, nobody that is able would do anything about it. It is what it is and he is there until we vote his butt out or his time runs out.

About the only chance of it mattering would be in some future history book, if there is truth to the fraud...perhaps they will tell the tale.

As Ronald Reagan once said: "The Democrats have a good plan if you only expect to live for the next five years."

I consider doing things for the benefit of history to be a worthwhile endeavor. Getting at the truth, no matter how belated, may help avoid this kind of mess in the future.

34 posted on 03/01/2012 2:53:31 PM PST by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: DiogenesLamp
When a child is adopted, the original is sealed. It cannot be released without a court order. Neither the State nor the Federal government wants individuals to possess two different birth certificates which can be used for identification purposes.

Of course, the question is, would it be obvious that Zero's BC is an amended BC?

Here's a case where it was obvious even to a creature as fascistically stupid as a Floriduh civil servant:

http://73adoptee.blogspot.com/2008/10/adoptee-denied-drivers-license-in.html

35 posted on 03/01/2012 2:54:37 PM PST by cynwoody
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To: CalTexan
Even if you are right about the BC...

It doesn’t make him look good.

You are right. He is attempting to mislead the public regardless how you slice it.

What about the Selective Service Card Forgery and fake SS numbers.

I make no claims regarding those. On the face of it, it looks like his political base cooked that crap up for him.

36 posted on 03/01/2012 2:56:07 PM PST by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: tiger-one
[both of my BCs were created by the Department of Health of the state I was born. My ‘replacement BC’ looks nothing like my original BC’. I think you should verify your source[s]

My sources are *ME*. My sister. My Other Sister. We were all adopted at the same time.

Perhaps your state did things differently from mine?

37 posted on 03/01/2012 3:00:41 PM PST by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: jersey117
That was easy.

If you think so, read my response. Then poke a hole in it.

38 posted on 03/01/2012 3:02:25 PM PST by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: DiogenesLamp

“ONce again”

Well, if you did it once why are you doing it again, just to be annoying about it or are you just arrogant and think we must adopt your opinions and you will keep posting this until we do?


39 posted on 03/01/2012 3:04:02 PM PST by CodeToad (NO TAXATION WITHOUT REPRESENTATION!!!)
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To: ml/nj
Back then unmarried pregnant girls were sent away before they began to "show." And they didn't have many cameras in Kenya.

I think it is more likely that Stanley Ann was sent to live with either Aunt Eleanor Birkebeile (in Either Canada,(from 1959-?) or Northeast Washington (sometime after 1959)) or perhaps Uncle Ralph Dunham in North West Washington. Canadian Hospitals were apparently free in 1961, and they had one in White Rock Canada. (Right on the border with Blaine Washington, one of Aunt Eleanor's known residences.)

The Kenyan theory just doesn't make sense to me. Barack Sr. would have to have more money than can be discovered from his correspondence, and Stanley Ann would have to be an even bigger idiot. Showing up in North West Washington two weeks after birth implies she was there all along.

40 posted on 03/01/2012 3:08:17 PM PST by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: WilliamofCarmichael
Adopted? Late registration of birth?

Doesn't explain the need to create a recent "copy" on a computer. The recent "copy" implies an annulled adoption or some other court room trick.

Seems to me then that no matter how much trouble it is the state of Hawaii -- with Obama's approval -- could produce the actual 1961 (1971 or whatever) document. Seems to me that it would solve a lot of problems and be worth the effort.

State Governments have Rules, Procedures, and Laws, and in MY state, you can't get an original (which was sealed by an adoption) without a court order to unseal it. Yes it would be easier, except it would violate a rule, procedure, or law, which is Unthinkable to a State Government bureaucrat.

Sheriff Joe said it's a forgery -- so just release the real thing.

Yup. Agree.

I remember people saying that it's all a trap. An October 2012 surprise will be the real document and all the "birthers" will be proved to be total fools, Obama will win by carrying all 57 states and . . . .

It was a very effective tactic. It shut up most people. Unfortunately for them, there were those of us who would not be in such haste to see what they wanted us to see.

Well it ain't going to happen .. they overplayed their hand with this shenanigan -- BTW the news conference said that they have the name of a person "of interest" who could be or know who done it.

I just hope it gets enough play in the regular media to wake people up. They need to quit taking peoples' WORD as proof of something.

41 posted on 03/01/2012 3:15:03 PM PST by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: pelican001
Get a clue. As Rush said, “dumb people are too dumb to know it.”

And many of them give me silly advice. If you have an ACTUAL criticism of the theory, put it on the table. Just saying i'm wrong is plain childish. It's like saying "because."

42 posted on 03/01/2012 3:17:28 PM PST by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: madison10

I’d go further and say he’s the spitting image of Stanley Ann.


43 posted on 03/01/2012 3:19:47 PM PST by Yardstick
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To: DiogenesLamp

Canada for Obummer’s birth is certainly an option, and it adds credence to recent blogs that some fellow applied to an outlying Canadian court changing his name in court to Barack Obama. If it were Obummer, he would have to produce his Canadian birth certificate in a Canadian court to do so if born in Canada. There are so many options that one suspects all these options are just more attempts to muddy the waters...sigh. I thought Sheriff Joe’s announcements today about the paperwork of passengers on incoming international flights for most airlines being missing the pertinent first weeks of Aug l961 was another vote for Obummer being born in Mombasa.
A


44 posted on 03/01/2012 3:23:02 PM PST by kiltie65
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To: chatter4
Do you really believe that the State of Hawaii would allow an 18 year old girl that is married to a foreign student to adopt a child when neither of them had any income, and weren’t even living together?

I think you have SERIOUSLY misunderstood what I am saying.

I think Barry is Stanley Ann's Child. His father might be Barack Obama Sr, but it doesn't really matter for my argument.

When Stanley Ann Married Lolo Soetoro (1965, I think) All that had to occur for Barry to be adopted by Lolo Soetoro is for Lolo to say so to a government bureaucrat who came out to the house to ask. The indications are that Barry WAS adopted by Stanley Ann's second Husband.

My argument was that he was later (1971) adopted by his Grandparents, so as to get the Soetoro Adoption set aside, and so that they could become his legal guardians. (They Kept him for 8 years, don't you think they had legal custody?)

Barry recently got that adoption or guardianship annulled so as to get a document that says what he needed it to say. The Hawaiian Department of Health, under a Judge's order, created a new document which was designed to look like the original, using a modern computer and program.

Yes, it's fake, but it's a LEGAL fake. That is my theory.

45 posted on 03/01/2012 3:24:56 PM PST by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: Candor7
The Arizona Sheriffs Cold Case investigators have made a probable cause case that the birth certificate alleged to be Obamas and posted by Obama’s agents as authentic, is a fraud.

I would say that just about anything you can come up with as documentary alternate proof has already been thoroughly vetted. These trained investigators are not pikers and have resources that you do not, that none of us have.

Obama himself had spent nearly 2 million dollars in obscuring the true facts of his documentation, in travel expenses and legal fees , before the DOJ took over the task from Obama’s private funding using his campaign chest ( yes he did get permission from the Federal Election Commission to spend the money to obscure his birth facts.

The fact is that we do not know who Obama really is, we have only a documentary construct of who Obama wants US ALL to think who he is.And your theory of adoption results only in further obscuration. Its time to get to clarity on the defacto ( not dejure) situs of Obama's birth, and his parentage, as well as his subsequent travels under both his Indonesian and US Passports.

If you do not see the constitutional necessity of the initiative undertaken by the Arizona Cold Case investigators, my conclusion is the same as Freeper Jarofants:

Pretty harsh for someone who has done nothing to you. I'm not discounting the competence of the investigators, I am simply suggesting that they may not have considered the Adoption/replacement birth certificate angle.

I have personal first hand knowledge of it because it applies to *ME*. Were it not for the fact that I happen to have two birth certificate documents, I very likely wouldn't have thought of this idea either.

You are a newbie TROLL who seeks only to further muddy the waters of the issue, rather than to clarify them.

You seriously do not know me. As for muddying the waters, do you think they can get more muddy?

So who do you respect on this forum? Do you know Red Steel, Fantasy Writer, Rxsid, Edge919, Frog in a Pot, Spaulding, Butterzillion, etc ?

Tell me who you know that discusses this birth certificate issue, and it is likely they are familiar with my writing on this issue.

I may have only been here for a year, but I bet i've written more about this subject than most people have in three years. You should do me the courtesy of addressing my arguments, and at least reviewing what I have written over this past year before jumping to the conclusion that I am a troll.

46 posted on 03/01/2012 3:34:03 PM PST by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: DiogenesLamp

I have to go feed my kids, i’ll come back to respond further when I can.


47 posted on 03/01/2012 3:34:40 PM PST by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: DiogenesLamp

Did you read the “Auntie” thread in its entirety? That was where I got 100% that he is no blood relative of the purported parents. Or any parent of the purported parents.


48 posted on 03/01/2012 3:43:13 PM PST by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell)
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To: DiogenesLamp

100% with you that something had to happen in 1971.

Grandparents would not take responsibility of a child without clear and clean guardianship and citizenship status.

But Hawaii has never released anything directly. Nada.

Prior to July 2009 they issued statements that allude to ‘our records indicate...’ but they would not directly say ‘Obama was born in Hawaii’.

That changed in July 2009 when the US House of Representatives declared Hawaii to be a son of Hawaii. This was the first ever government statement to that effect. Then, LATER THAT DAY, Hawaii indicated in a apparently unsolicited statement that Obama was born in Hawaii. Choreographed? Coincidence?

The adoption process would be a legal meat grinder of actual documents. But Hawaii seems to want to keep an arms length away from this.


49 posted on 03/01/2012 4:01:45 PM PST by bluecat6 ( "A non-denial denial. They doubt our heritage, but they don't say the story is not accurate.")
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To: DiogenesLamp; mojitojoe; Danae; butterdezillion

Your argumants are specious. Have you not been reading as much as you have allegedly posted? Adoption is a red herring at this point. Why cling to it? What is your point? It appears to be obfuscation of the real issue at hand: Forgery. Why do you cling so desperately to your own personal theory?

The topic is and will now be forgery.Certainly you must have read Polarik’s opus and those who did subsequent forgery research whose names all are on posts in this thread.

As I said, your motives appear to be very doubtful here.We can’t really let the Orly Taitz gang gain any traction eh?/S

Get past it.

And the REAL investigation is now underway, a probable cause finding has now launched a very comprehensive investigation into the forgery itself. Thats a very good thing.

And those many, many Freepers who have treated the issue as a forgery on the face of the documents at hand are now vindicated.They have helped tremendously to bring the matter forward to this point, in Arizona.


50 posted on 03/01/2012 4:11:48 PM PST by Candor7 (Obama fascist info..http://www.americanthinker.com/2009/05/barack_obama_the_quintessentia_1.html)
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