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Once Again I will Posit Adoption for Barack Obama.
Various | 3/1/2012 | DiogenesLamp

Posted on 03/01/2012 1:50:50 PM PST by DiogenesLamp

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To: DiogenesLamp

You continue to refer to FIVE mistakes. Would you care to make a list? It might be productive to look at the five of them individually...

And you may just have a little problem with your journalist, notice how both articles are still up? If the second article that he wrote about an hour after the first was meant to be a correction, why is the first - containing your ‘five mistakes’ - still there?

Initially, article number two carried the message - this is Virginia Goeldner’s first interview - but that has now been removed.

Write to the author by all means, but after what you have said about reporters, why would I believe any response you might recieve?


351 posted on 03/05/2012 1:10:32 PM PST by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: Plummz
The only reason to be uncertain is if you are an illiterate. The State Department documents clearly state why you would write someone's name there and cross through it. It is because that person has forsworn his American nationality and naturalized as a foreigner.

An eight-year old Philip Nolan? That's a bit much.

Do you think children renounced their US citizenship so often that there were specific regulations to deal with that?

I don't know the exact law of the day, but it seems like Barack was too young to renounce his US citizenship himself and his mother couldn't renounce it for him.

The area where the name is written and crossed out was to add or remove a child from the mother's passport. It's not clear whether you're including or excluding a child by writing the name in there.

One possibility is that the mother thought she was adding his name and realized that she'd be removing it (or vice versa), so she crossed it out.

I'm not saying he definitely wasn't adopted and definitely never lost his citizenship. I'm just saying there are other possibilities.

352 posted on 03/05/2012 1:28:23 PM PST by x
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To: x

“The area where the name is written and crossed out was to add or remove a child from the mother’s passport. It’s not clear whether you’re including or excluding a child by writing the name in there.”

Parenthesis () around the name indicate exclusion. Crossing through the name is indicative of removing the person from the passport because they have naturalized with a country other than the U.S. See declaration above signature line on passport renewal form.

As for minor’s convincing a CAO their renouncement is voluntary, a locally employed staff member is assigned to the minor to investigate and advocate for renouncement on behalf of the minor through a report to the CAO. The CAO writes a report to the Sec of State who make the decision as to veracity of the claim of voluntary renunciation.

A voluntary renunciation case can be made if the minor isn’t listed on the CLASS as a victim of kidnapping or a custody dispute.


353 posted on 03/05/2012 2:22:50 PM PST by SvenMagnussen (What would MacGyver do?)
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To: Fred Nerks; Dakkster
You continue to refer to FIVE mistakes. Would you care to make a list? It might be productive to look at the five of them individually...

The list is at the link I gave you when the issue first came up. It was compiled by Dakkster. Here's the link again.

And you may just have a little problem with your journalist, notice how both articles are still up? If the second article that he wrote about an hour after the first was meant to be a correction, why is the first - containing your ‘five mistakes’ - still there?

Also mentioned in the comment at the above link.

Initially, article number two carried the message - this is Virginia Goeldner’s first interview - but that has now been removed.

Okay.

Write to the author by all means, but after what you have said about reporters, why would I believe any response you might recieve?

Why don't we see what his response is, THEN you can decide whether to believe it or not. I'm not even sure if he will respond. I know *I* get a lot of junk mail, and I don't even let my e-mail address be known to the public. I just checked. He DID respond. Here is what I sent to him, and here is how he responded.

Here's what I sent:

I am writing you regarding an article you wrote November 13, 2008, regarding Virginia Goeldner's experience as a member of Obama's Family.

In the article you refer to Barack as having been raised by Virginia's sister-in-law after his mother died.

“Goeldner said her sister-in-law actually raised Barrack Obama, or Barry as they called him, when he was young, after his mother died in 1970.”

Barack Obama's mother was Stanley Ann Duham/Soetoro. My understanding is that she died in the 1990s, not in 1970. Was this a mistake, or were you referring to someone else?

"Signed my name here."

Here's what he said.

That was a typo obviously. There were a couple more small ones but that was the biggest.

Bill Lawson
Stephens Media

Now you can *tell* me what you think of this response.

354 posted on 03/05/2012 2:23:53 PM PST by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: DiogenesLamp

Do you know what a ‘typo’ is?


355 posted on 03/05/2012 2:37:18 PM PST by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: DiogenesLamp; mojitojoe

Dakkster seems to have disappeared, and your link doesn’t work. Are you Dakkster?


356 posted on 03/05/2012 2:44:48 PM PST by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: Fred Nerks
Do you know what a ‘typo’ is?

Yes, and claiming he made such doesn't really address the question. The mistake is not a "Typo" it is a mistake of actual "fact", one of several.

His answer is not very satisfactory, but it is what it is. I don't write for other people. If I did, their answers would make a lot more sense. :)

I think he uses the word "typo" because he didn't want to come out and admit it was an actual mistake of fact. I am reminded of an old joke about an American Officer Stationed in Japan.

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The American officer had typed up a report and given it to a Japanese liaison officer. The Japanese officer brought it back and showed him a misspelled word. The American officer looked at it and said "Oh, a "typo."

The Japanese Officer looked at him and said " What mean this word "typo"?
The American officer responded, "Sometimes when you are typing you hit one key instead of another and the word comes out misspelled. In America we call this a "typo."

To Which the Japanese officer responded: "In Japan, we call this MISTAKE!"

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Some people don't like to admit they made a "mistake."

357 posted on 03/05/2012 2:52:00 PM PST by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: Fred Nerks
Dakkster seems to have disappeared, and your link doesn’t work. Are you Dakkster?

No. Read through his messages and you will see he and I have very different beliefs. He was convinced that Madelyn Dunham and Frank Marshall Davis are Barry's Mom and Dad. It didn't matter what piece of evidence was presented, in his mind it always proved that Madelyn Dunham and Frank Davis were the parents. It actually got pretty old reading how EVERYTHING proves this in his opinion.

As for the link not working, let me try again.

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2754825/posts?page=253#253

This time i'll test it rather than just copy and paste. It seems to work this time. Message 253.

He could do some decent research occasionally, but he would not get off that "Madelyn Dunham is the mother, and Frank Davis is the Father..." Theory.

358 posted on 03/05/2012 2:59:43 PM PST by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: DiogenesLamp

You can dance around this issue until the moon turns blue as far as I’m concerned, in 1982 when the Goelnders visited the Dunhams in Hawaii, Madelyn told Virginia that they had been looking after the boy since his mother died in 1970, and that’s exactly what Virginia repeated.
Why Madelyn would say that is another story. But it’s obvious what she DIDN’T say is that Stanley Ann Dunham died in 1970.


359 posted on 03/05/2012 2:59:43 PM PST by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: DiogenesLamp
You wrongly called me a liar, and now you are attempting to obfuscate the fact that I was correct, and you were wrong for calling me a liar.

No you are a liar.

Nobody said Madelyn grew up in Oklahoma or Texas.

You certainly tried to imply that.

Madelyn Dunham was from Kansas, which according to Frank Davis was just as Prejudiced.

Yes, she was from Kansas, but that does not make her any more prejudiced than you or your hero the Communist pedophile Frank Marshall Davis!

Grow up and get a life, LOSER!
360 posted on 03/05/2012 3:04:00 PM PST by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Fred Nerks
You can dance around this issue until the moon turns blue as far as I’m concerned, in 1982 when the Goelnders visited the Dunhams in Hawaii, Madelyn told Virginia that they had been looking after the boy since his mother died in 1970, and that’s exactly what Virginia repeated. Why Madelyn would say that is another story. But it’s obvious what she DIDN’T say is that Stanley Ann Dunham died in 1970.

I remember this being alleged. I don't remember if I saw an actual reference for it. Do you have a link?

361 posted on 03/05/2012 3:04:10 PM PST by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: DiogenesLamp
Whether Frank Davis was a communist Pedophile is immaterial to the fact that he experienced life in Kansas during the 1920s, and wrote about it.

Why?

Are your feelings so hurt that this is the best you can do?

Why would my feelings be hurt because of what a Communist pedophile wrote? I don't read his work. You do.
362 posted on 03/05/2012 3:07:23 PM PST by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: DiogenesLamp; Fred Nerks; mojitojoe; LucyT
No. Read through his messages and you will see he and I have very different beliefs.

Wow! that was a fast response!
363 posted on 03/05/2012 3:10:13 PM PST by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: DiogenesLamp

ok...so as the comment you cited was between the two of you, I will repeat it here and reply in capitals between the text:

To: DiogenesLamp
Just finished reading your great link (print version):

http://www.sherwoodvoice.com/articles/2008/11/14/maumelle_monitor/living/liv01.prt

What the ???????!!!!!!!, did you see these statements?

1. “Goeldner said her sister-in-law actually raised Barrack Obama, or Barry as they called him, when he was young, after his mother died in 1970.”

IN 1970, HE WOULD HAVE BEEN ‘YOUNG’ - IN 1982 WHEN THE GOELDNERS VISITED THE DUNHAMS, HE WAS ALREADY ON THE MAINLAND. VIRGINIA WOULD HARDLY ASSUME HIS MOTHER HAD DIED, SHE MUST HAVE BEEN TOLD THAT.

2. “When Ann died at an early age, it was Virginia’s brother and sister-in-law who raised the future president.”

ANN DIED AT AN EARLY AGE. NOT STANLEY ANN DUNHAM, NOT ‘THEIR DAUGHTER DIED AT AN EARLY AGE’. ‘ANN DIED’
WHO WAS ‘ANN’ ?
WAS SHE ANN S OBAMA - SHOWN IN THE POLK AT THE BIRTH ANNOUNCEMENT ADDRESS?
WAS SHE THE ‘ANN’ SHOWN WITH THE KENYAN AT THE NACHMANNOF SOCIAL GATHERING?
WAS SHE THE GIRL WITH HER ARM AROUND THE KENYAN IN THE DOCK IMAGE?

3. “Obama’s grandfather, Stanley, left Kansas and moved to Texas and it was in the Seattle area where his mother Stanley Ann Dunham, WAS BORN.”

SO VIRGINIA DOESN’T KNOW WHERE STANLEY ANN DUNHAM WAS BORN? MIGHT BE BECAUSE THE FAMILIES HAD VERY LITTLE CONTACT, AND THE DUNHAMS MOVED AROUND?

4.”Stanley Armour Dunham, who was Barack Obama’s grandfather, who died in 1982;”

NOW THERE’S A TRUE TYPO...HE DIED IN 1992. THE GOELDNERS ARE SHOWN WITH HIM IN HAWAII ON VIDEO IN 1982.

I think the Ann Dunham as Barry’s mom story just took a serious hit.

ME TOO. BUT THAT WASN’T THE FIRST TIME. VIRGINIA DID THE BEST SHE COULD WITH WHAT SHE THOUGHT SHE KNEW.

253 posted on Monday, 1 August 2011 2:07:11 PM by Dakkster


364 posted on 03/05/2012 3:25:01 PM PST by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: Brown Deer

I’m going to quit, I gave it my best shot, it’s like talking to LorenC and the fogbow cabal. Life’s too short for that BS.


365 posted on 03/05/2012 3:29:47 PM PST by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: Brown Deer

I think i’m going to ignore you from now on. Scream away.


366 posted on 03/05/2012 3:46:28 PM PST by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: DiogenesLamp
What was it Christ said about worrying about the mote in your brothers eye?

That comment alone reveals you for a nutcase supreme. If my and your betters - meaning people who really know their stuff concerning zero - have given up dealing with you, I'm certainly not going to waste my precious human life doing so.

367 posted on 03/05/2012 3:55:58 PM PST by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell. Signed, a fanatic)
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To: DiogenesLamp

Provide a link to that first photo and also indicate which one you think is Stanley Anne the pinko slut please.


368 posted on 03/05/2012 4:31:40 PM PST by mojitojoe (American by birth. Southern by the grace of God. Conservative by reason and logic.)
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To: DiogenesLamp; LucyT; little jeremiah; Brown Deer; Las Vegas Ron; manc; Candor7

Since she shows no sign of stretch marks, i’m assuming they were taken at the earlier time.

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After I finished laughing at this remark(sorry, not trying to be mean, but it was very comical), I decided to let you in on something. Not all women get stretch marks when they are pregnant. It has to do with genetics and weight gained or both. We have 3 children. None of them were small babies and my wife didn’t get a single stretch mark with the first 2. With the third, she got one on the side of her hip that ran toward her stomach but never reached it. All of kids were over 8# and her stomach doesn’t have and never did have a single stretch mark on it, none on her thighs or tush either.


369 posted on 03/05/2012 4:39:36 PM PST by mojitojoe (American by birth. Southern by the grace of God. Conservative by reason and logic.)
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To: mojitojoe; DiogenesLamp

DIOGENES...

The image you provided, supposedly of a little Stanley Ann Dunham, for which you didn’t bother to site a source, came from THREE STOOGES GO TO WASHINGTON:

http://web.me.com/donnicoloff/directlightproductions.com/Printable_Articles/Entries/2008/12/18_The_Three_Stooges_go_to_Washington%2C_Part_5_Barack_Obama__New_Revelations%2C_Same_Ol_Dirt.html

And I’ve got news for you, that girl fourth from the right in the back row isn’t who Nicoloff says she is, and he also misidentifies Madelyn and Stanley Armour Dunham on the same page.
I didn’t bother to look to see it it’s still there, but he also has a segment which showed that zero WAS A REPTILLIAN...so I’m telling you, if that’s where you get your material, I’m through with you, period.


370 posted on 03/05/2012 4:53:40 PM PST by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: mojitojoe

WHERE DID HER CHIN GO? THAT IS NOT THE SAME GIRL.

371 posted on 03/05/2012 5:01:42 PM PST by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: Fred Nerks

Coup d’état


372 posted on 03/05/2012 5:04:43 PM PST by mojitojoe (American by birth. Southern by the grace of God. Conservative by reason and logic.)
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To: Fred Nerks; DiogenesLamp

LOL!!! NO AND HELL no that’s not the same girl. NO WAY! and I don’t care who says it is. It’s BS!


373 posted on 03/05/2012 5:10:45 PM PST by mojitojoe (American by birth. Southern by the grace of God. Conservative by reason and logic.)
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To: mojitojoe; LucyT

Yes. Exquisitely well planned over a long period and generously funded. I believe it began when zero met the terrorist and his wife in the early eighties...around the time that William Ayres’ mother introduced zero as a foreign student, and the mailman reported meeting him in the street - when zero told him he was visiting the Ayres’ house to thank them for their help with his education.

http://02ce1ab.netsolhost.com/KingHarvest/?p=1245

excerpt:

Mr. Hulton recalls that he probably asked what Mr. Obama was studying in school and at one point Mr. Obama said that he intended to become President of the United States. Mr. Hulton said he was “taken aback” by the statement but recalls that he did not think Mr. Obama was “arrogant, but just self assured and a person with a lot of self confidence.” “It was not said with hubris,” Hulton recalled, “but with an air of self-assuredness.”


It’s a huge pity that when TOM FIFE joined FR and posted his story, very few understood what it was all about:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2122714/posts

Excerpt:

“Yes, it is true. This is not some idle talk. He is already born and he is educated and being groomed to be president right now. You will be impressed to know that he has gone to the best schools of Presidents. He is what you call “Ivy League”. You don’t believe me, but he is real and I even know his name. His name is Barack. His mother is white and American and his father is black from Africa. That’s right, a chocolate baby! And he’s going to be your President.”


FROM 1992. WHEN THE MYTH OF DREAMS WAS WELL IN PLACE.


374 posted on 03/05/2012 5:25:45 PM PST by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: DiogenesLamp; LucyT; Fred Nerks

No doubt. Barack Obama sr. tried to use Barry in the same way. To fight deportation. (Barack sr. was only in the country because he lied on his Visa application. US Law at the time barred entry to anyone who associated with Communists or Polygamists.
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So Stanley Anne and Sr. go to Kenya, bring back a black baby, say it’s theirs, thinking then Sr. can stay in the US but it doesn’t work. She’s stuck with the kid, Sr. takes off for greener pastures and she marries Lolo and takes the kid to Indonesia. He’s a pain in the a$$, he’s not her kid, when FMD got his divorce and his wife moved out, she brings him back and dumps him on her parents and FMD agrees to help? But there is the Lolo adoption issue so Sr. is paid to come back for a week and clear that up? Is that what you are getting at?


375 posted on 03/05/2012 5:37:09 PM PST by mojitojoe (American by birth. Southern by the grace of God. Conservative by reason and logic.)
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To: rodguy911

It’s got to be his sister’s or Gramps because he couldn’t get rid of Granny fast enough.


376 posted on 03/05/2012 5:38:36 PM PST by mojitojoe (American by birth. Southern by the grace of God. Conservative by reason and logic.)
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To: mojitojoe

You are going to give Nicoloff a run for his reputation, if you keep that up.


377 posted on 03/05/2012 5:46:13 PM PST by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: Fred Nerks

LOL!


378 posted on 03/05/2012 5:55:51 PM PST by mojitojoe (American by birth. Southern by the grace of God. Conservative by reason and logic.)
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To: SvenMagnussen

Okay, that print was too small for me to read. Thank you for pointing it out. I’m not sure it’s the only possibility, though. BTW, why doesn’t Barack’s name appear on the earlier passport application?


379 posted on 03/05/2012 5:55:51 PM PST by x
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To: x

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2853228/posts?page=280#280

is this what you are looking for?


380 posted on 03/05/2012 6:07:20 PM PST by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: Fred Nerks

Not only the chin, but the hair color, the nose the shape of the face and eyes, the eye set on the face, the forehead and the neck. that IS not Stanley Anne Dunham and I don’t care who says it is.


381 posted on 03/05/2012 6:56:40 PM PST by mojitojoe (American by birth. Southern by the grace of God. Conservative by reason and logic.)
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To: mojitojoe

The moral of the story is, you can’t take anything Nicoloff writes seriously. I don’t think he expects us to, he also wrote that zero was a lizard, and he writes about UFO’s. So anyone who uses material from that website is either pulling our legs or terribly naive.
Either way, it’s a total waste of time trying to have discussions with anyone who frequents the site and takes it seriously enough to post images from it here.


382 posted on 03/05/2012 7:03:52 PM PST by Fred Nerks (FAIR DINKUM!)
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To: DiogenesLamp
Nobody said Madelyn grew up in Oklahoma or Texas.

then who wrote this?

No, because I think Madelyn Dunham was utterly ashamed of the fact that she had a Black Grandchild. Madelyn Dunham was from Kansas, and from my Reading of Frank Marshall Davis' book "livin' the blues" they were pretty prejudice in Kansas during the 1920s, and I can only assume it continued during the time Madelyn Dunham was growing up. Apart from that, the Family lived in Oklahoma and Texas before moving to Washington. I think most of Madelyn Duham's life she was exposed to a culture that was very prejudiced against blacks, and where miscegenation was a Felony Crime. (Not Kansas, but it was in Oklahoma and Texas. See Map at link.)

and btw, you also just wrote, "Truncating a quote is an attempt to change it's meaning by omission, and is a form of lying. Why are you attempting to deceive?" and then truncated your own quote, so why are you trying to deceive us?

You've implied over and over again that growing up in Oklahoma is a reason for Madelyn's unproven prejudice, yet it was Stanley Ann who went to grade school in Ponca City, Oklahoma, not her mother Madelyn!
383 posted on 03/05/2012 7:20:06 PM PST by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: x
It's not clear whether you're including or excluding a child by writing the name in there. One possibility

The only reason to be uncertain is if you are an illiterate. The State Department documents clearly state why you would write someone's name there and cross through it. It is because that person has forsworn his American nationality and naturalized as a foreigner.

384 posted on 03/06/2012 1:00:13 AM PST by Plummz (pro-constitution, anti-corruption)
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To: x
"Okay, that print was too small for me to read."



Declaration above signature line of 1968 passport renewal.

"BTW, why doesn’t Barack’s name appear on the earlier passport application?"

Some documents are edited or withheld due to exemption from FOIA.


385 posted on 03/06/2012 5:05:23 AM PST by SvenMagnussen (What would MacGyver do?)
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To: mojitojoe
Provide a link to that first photo and also indicate which one you think is Stanley Anne the pinko slut please.

Stanley Ann is in the top row, fourth from the right. Here is one link to a source. It's not the original link I used to find that picture, (I originally just googled it.) but it seems pretty decent.

Link

386 posted on 03/06/2012 6:41:04 AM PST by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: mojitojoe
After I finished laughing at this remark(sorry, not trying to be mean, but it was very comical), I decided to let you in on something. Not all women get stretch marks when they are pregnant. It has to do with genetics and weight gained or both. We have 3 children. None of them were small babies and my wife didn’t get a single stretch mark with the first 2. With the third, she got one on the side of her hip that ran toward her stomach but never reached it. All of kids were over 8# and her stomach doesn’t have and never did have a single stretch mark on it, none on her thighs or tush either.

I had actually considered this, but I kinda wanted the pictures to be from 1960 because it would explain what Barack was trying to cover up. (That Barack sr. was not really his daddy.)

My thinking went like this. The two Album covers visible in the photographs place it after 1957. It is obviously Christmas in the photos. *IF* they were taken in Christmas of 1960, they would be taken around the time Stanley Ann became pregnant. I likewise assumed that if someone is taking a naked picture of a woman in 1960, they are very likely having sex with her, hence the photographer is very likely the baby's daddy. Since Muslims don't celebrate Christmas, that makes it likely Frank Davis was the guy behind the camera. (Also, i've located his house in Hawaii in 1960, and the Window in the photos seems to share the same peculiar frame spacing as a particular window of his house.) According to his book, he was an avid photographer and he specialized in nude photographs of young women.

The theory goes like this. Stanley used to go over to Frank's house to listen to records, and he and her eventually started doing the Hanky Panky. When she got pregnant, to prevent Daddy (Stanley Dunham) from discovering his best friend was poking his daughter, they went out and found Barack Obama sr. to pretend *HE* did it.

Now if the photos are NOT of 1960, then they could have been 1962 at the earliest, because it wasn't until 1962 that she came back to Hawaii from Washington.

I would like to mention more observations and details but I am pressed for time and have to go now. If you have any observations or other details, I would certainly be interested in hearing them.

387 posted on 03/06/2012 6:56:42 AM PST by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: DiogenesLamp

That theory is based on the assumption that Stanley Ann is the woman in the nudie photos. Are you 100% sure that is her? If it’s not her, that entire theory is blown all to hell.

What are all those scars on Barry’s head?


388 posted on 03/06/2012 7:26:28 AM PST by mojitojoe (American by birth. Southern by the grace of God. Conservative by reason and logic.)
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To: DiogenesLamp
Since Muslims don't celebrate Christmas, that makes it likely Frank Davis was the guy behind the camera.

Really? Are you serious?
389 posted on 03/06/2012 7:29:13 AM PST by Brown Deer (Pray for 0bama. Psalm 109:8)
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To: Fred Nerks
And I’ve got news for you, that girl fourth from the right in the back row isn’t who Nicoloff says she is, and he also misidentifies Madelyn and Stanley Armour Dunham on the same page.

I don't know Nicoloff, and I make no claims regarding his beliefs. I have a very good reason for believing that girl fourth from the right is in fact Stanley Ann Duham. He is not the only source for that picture.

I didn’t bother to look to see it it’s still there, but he also has a segment which showed that zero WAS A REPTILLIAN...so I’m telling you, if that’s where you get your material, I’m through with you, period.

I've known about that photograph for what seems like years. It's floating about the net. When I mentioned it before, I grabbed the first google link which showed it. So a crackpot has found it too. Whatever. The photo does exist, and it does show Stanley Ann Dunham attending school in Ponca City Oklahoma.

You can be through with me if you wish. I have been polite and I fail to see the need to be accusatory regarding other people's motives. (At least on the side of those of us who feel Barack is illegitimate.) Save it for the Obots.

390 posted on 03/06/2012 8:30:18 AM PST by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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To: mojitojoe
LOL!!! NO AND HELL no that’s not the same girl. NO WAY! and I don’t care who says it is. It’s BS!

I have a very good reason for believing it is. :)

391 posted on 03/06/2012 8:33:45 AM PST by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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But there is the Lolo adoption issue so Sr. is paid to come back for a week and clear that up? Is that what you are getting at?

Pretty much. I would like to take credit for this idea, but I wasn't the first person to suggest it. I think I saw it at Obama File first. The guy running that website does first class research, and he is a Freeper as well. (I forget his name though.)

392 posted on 03/06/2012 8:37:16 AM PST by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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The guy running that website does first class research, and he is a Freeper as well. (I forget his name though.

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393 posted on 03/06/2012 8:48:55 AM PST by mojitojoe (American by birth. Southern by the grace of God. Conservative by reason and logic.)
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I have a very good reason for believing it is. :)
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I suspect I know what that reason is, but just tell us what is is.


394 posted on 03/06/2012 8:52:38 AM PST by mojitojoe (American by birth. Southern by the grace of God. Conservative by reason and logic.)
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That theory is based on the assumption that Stanley Ann is the woman in the nudie photos. Are you 100% sure that is her? If it’s not her, that entire theory is blown all to hell.

I have a very good reason for believing the woman in the Photograph is in fact Stanley Ann Dunham. As a matter of fact, it is the EXACT SAME REASON why I believe that little girl fourth from the right in the top row (of that class photo) is also Stanley Ann Dunham.

What are all those scars on Barry’s head?

I don't know. I pointed them out (and the injury to his leg) to a Friend of mine who is an MD and he hadn't been previously aware of them. He said it does indeed look as though Barack had been in a serious accident at some point in his life. He explained to me about the "compartment syndrome" on his leg, and why it was necessary.

The explanation that I like the best (Doesn't mean it's true, just that I *LIKE* this explanation the best) is that he got those injuries in New York during that Armored Car robbery he assisted in perpetrating during an alliance between the Weather Underground and the Black Liberation Army. He was in New York at the time, Hung out with the same sort of people, and curiously won't talk about it.

Apparently one of the perpetrators was badly injured in a car crash, but they managed to escape the police. I believe this idea was originally suggested by Zombietime.

The reason I like it is because if it can be proven to be true, it will mean our President was involved in a Felony Robbery during which a man was killed, and will therefore have to be treated as he deserves. (Sent to Prison.) His supporters will have been shown to be the worst kind of idiots and buffoons, and those of us who have questioned his background will be demonstrated to be the only sensible people in the nation.

Alternatively, i've heard the theory that he got those scars in a motorcycle accident while visiting Kenya, but I like the first theory better. :)

395 posted on 03/06/2012 8:57:51 AM PST by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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I’ll tell you in Freepmail.


396 posted on 03/06/2012 9:00:59 AM PST by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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You could be right about the passport application reflecting somebody's understanding that young Obama had been officially or unofficially adopted or given an Indonesian passport and citizenship. I'm not 100% convinced, but it's not as unlikely as I had thought at first.

But would he have renounced US citizenship? I know the conventional wisdom for some people is that he hates America, his mother hated America, his grandfather hated America, etc. But consider: people were getting pulled off the streets and killed in Indonesia in the 1960s (or killed right on the street). It does seem perverse that a mother would let or encourage her son to renounce US citizenship at such a time.

True, his mother did essentially turn him over to her parents, but that's not so bad in comparison with putting him at the mercy of events in an unstable dictatorship. If on the other hand, there was no official renunciation of US citizenship, but only an informal assumption of parental responsibilities by Lolo or some Indonesian adoption that didn't get back to the US authorities, why would Barack's name have been entered and crossed off?

PS: You seem saner, politer, and more responsible than some of the other theorists. Sad to see you buying into the "Obama's mom naked" story. The odds are pretty slim of private photos like that surviving and getting hawked on the Internet, as opposed to the commercial porn of the day, and so far, it hasn't been seriously suggested that Stanley Ann was in that business.

So did FMD take pictures and sell them to the industry on his own? That's a stretch. Where there already is an industry devoted to that sort of thing, the odds that some random woman's pictures are going to end up circulated like that aren't that great. Again, it's not impossible, but it looks like people let their imagination run away with themselves.

397 posted on 03/06/2012 4:44:48 PM PST by x
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You could be right about the passport application reflecting somebody's understanding that young Obama had been officially or unofficially adopted or given an Indonesian passport and citizenship. I'm not 100% convinced, but it's not as unlikely as I had thought at first.

But would he have renounced US citizenship? I know the conventional wisdom for some people is that he hates America, his mother hated America, his grandfather hated America, etc. But consider: people were getting pulled off the streets and killed in Indonesia in the 1960s (or killed right on the street). It does seem perverse that a mother would let or encourage her son to renounce US citizenship at such a time.

I don't think Obama renounced his US Citizenship. I don't think a minor can do such a thing (though Sven Magnussen disagrees) and I don't think Obama saw any need to do so when he was old enough to do so. I think he simply hung on to his Indonesian passport, and used it when he saw an advantage in doing so. (Traveling to Pakistan, and perhaps getting aid as a foreign student.)

True, his mother did essentially turn him over to her parents, but that's not so bad in comparison with putting him at the mercy of events in an unstable dictatorship. If on the other hand, there was no official renunciation of US citizenship, but only an informal assumption of parental responsibilities by Lolo or some Indonesian adoption that didn't get back to the US authorities, why would Barack's name have been entered and crossed off?

My guess is that at the time, his mother thought that she would be with Lolo for the rest of her life. She didn't foresee a divorce in her future. (Who does?)

PS: You seem saner, politer, and more responsible than some of the other theorists. Sad to see you buying into the "Obama's mom naked" story. The odds are pretty slim of private photos like that surviving and getting hawked on the Internet, as opposed to the commercial porn of the day, and so far, it hasn't been seriously suggested that Stanley Ann was in that business.

The odds are astronomical. It is just freakin amazing that such things could have surfaced as they did. Have you read Jack Cashill's book "Deconstructing Obama"? ( I have an autographed copy.) In his book he claimed that Frank Davis got into photography in the 1930s, and became quite an avid photographer. Jack Cashill's book mentioned he got this information from Frank Marshall Davis' book "Livin' the Blues", so I bought a used copy of that. In Frank Davis' book he does indeed mention that most of his photography is photographs of naked women. Frank Davis also mentions how easy it is to get them to pose naked. He claims to have photographed hundreds of naked women. (Bear in mind this is in the 40s, 50s, and 60s, where there was a lot more stigma regarding this sort of behavior.)

So did FMD take pictures and sell them to the industry on his own? That's a stretch.

It is my understanding that the person who made people aware of these photographs is a retired Australian College Professor named John Ray. (I have exchanged emails with him.) The original article which he used to release them was posted at "Astute Bloggers" (a VERY good website. He (reliapundit) comes up with stuff you won't find anywhere else, or if so, much later AFTER he posted it.)

Reading through the various links of it and such, I recall seeing speculation that these photographs were part of Franks private collection, which he eventually swapped with other collectors back in the 1980s through email and such. I don't know. Speculation is anybody's guess.

Where there already is an industry devoted to that sort of thing, the odds that some random woman's pictures are going to end up circulated like that aren't that great. Again, it's not impossible, but it looks like people let their imagination run away with themselves.

Yes, people are trying to wrap their minds around any theory which explains the strange circumstances surrounding this guy. Some of them get pretty "out there" but bear in mind, Obama's story is pretty "out there" anyways. When you've already entered the "twilight zone" a lot of weird ideas start to look credible.

398 posted on 03/07/2012 6:35:42 AM PST by DiogenesLamp (Partus Sequitur Patrem)
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