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Santorum's Propery Rights Problem
Buddy's Blog | Fellow Freeper

Posted on 03/02/2012 6:50:42 PM PST by Apollo5600



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KEYWORDS: propertyrights; ricksantorum; trueconservative
This is an image put together by a fellow Freeper that really raises a strong issue with Santorum's integrity and his real views regarding the role of government. Is the role of government to support the Church and the "family" over the individual's rights?

I found two reviews of Santorum's book "It Takes a Family." There are some interesting quotes and perspectives that are worth perusing. The first is negative, the latter is a positive review.

"http://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2005/09/america-apos-s-anti-reagan-isn-apos-t-hillary-clinton-it-apos-s-rick-santorum/4285/"

"http://www.crosswalk.com/news/al-mohler/defending-conservatism-santorums-it-takes-a-family-1343334.html"

After reading Santorum's quotes, I can't help but to think that Santorum is gravely confused regarding conservative philosophy. It explains his comments against Libertarianism, and why the Libertarians make big hay over Santorum's comments against "personal autonomy." It appears as if Santorum believes it is the government's duty to promote the family and "morality," but not necessarily to make government smaller.

1 posted on 03/02/2012 6:50:50 PM PST by Apollo5600
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To: Apollo5600

PING!


2 posted on 03/02/2012 7:00:17 PM PST by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: All

PING


3 posted on 03/02/2012 7:06:36 PM PST by KevinDavis (Ron Paul called Ronald Reagan a miserable failure.....)
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To: Apollo5600
Your summation has been my contention for a long time. I am disappointed that Levin and Limbaugh just about tie themselves in knots defending him.
4 posted on 03/02/2012 7:06:56 PM PST by gov_bean_ counter (Santorum says he isn't a visionary. Sorry Rick, without a vision the people perish.)
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To: Apollo5600

Also thank true believer forever, fellow freeper, for that image/expose of Santorum’s amendment. I just put “Fellow Freeper” as the author.

It definitely opens up discussion of a serious problem within Santorum’s overall philosophy.


5 posted on 03/02/2012 7:10:22 PM PST by Apollo5600
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To: gov_bean_ counter
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====== RICK SANTORUM'S GREAT 2012 CAMPAIGN SPEECHES ======


1) Still Waiting ...

2) Still Waiting ...

3) Still Waiting ...






====== NEWT GINGRICH'S GREAT 2012 CAMPAIGN SPEECHES ======




CPAC 2012 Speech -- Newt Gingrich, U.S. President Elect


CPAC 2012 Speech -- Sarah Palin, U.S. Vice President Elect




Nancy Reagan (1995) : Ronnie turned that Torch over to Newt



NRA Second Amendent Speech -- Newt Gingrich


U.S. Energy Independence in 2012 -- Newt Gingrich




"America's Space Renaissance" in Florida !


Newt Gingrich -- Vision for America in Space Again




Why is Newt Gingrich So Angry ?


Newt Gingrich : South Carolina Victory Speech (2012-01-21)


Newt Gingrich : Christmas Day in 1776 George Washington's "Victory or Death"




Newt Stoutly Defends the Second Amendment (Right to Bear Arms)


Newt Gingrich – Constitutional Removal of Radial-Liberal Federal Judges




Newt Slams an "Increasingly Radical" EPA




Newt Defends Israel and Shows how the Palestinians are an "Invented" people !


Newt Warns against the Proposed 9-11 NYC Islamic Mosque and Islamic Sharia Law


Gingrich Compares Radical-Isalmics Muslims To Nazis


Newt Gingrich On The Threat Of Radical Islam


Newt Gingrich – America’s Defense of Judea-Christian Ideals and Defense against Islamic Fascism


Gingrich: Aggressive Prosecution of Radical-Militant U.S. Muslim Groups




Newt Gingrich: Response to CNN’s John King “Divorce Question”


Newt Gingrich to Juan Williams: Americans Want Paychecks, Not Food Stamps


Gingrich BLASTS Chris Wallace for his "Gotcha" Questions at Iowa Debate




Newt Destroys Ron Paul's Foreign Policy Vis-à-Vis Killing Osama bin Laden




Gingrich: My Credential Is 4.2% Unemployment


Newt Slams Obama's Stupidity on the Keystone Pipeline


Gingrich attacks Federal Reserve (Bernanke and Geitner) Deception and Corruption


Newt Discusses Job Creation and Dismantling Federal (Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac)




Newt: No American President Should Bow to a Saudi King


Newt Gingrich: Super PAC Committee Is Washington's Dumbest Idea





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6 posted on 03/02/2012 7:16:08 PM PST by Patton@Bastogne (Newt Gingrich and Sarah Palin in 2012 !)
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To: Apollo5600

Santorum used to describe himself as a “Progressive Conservative”.


7 posted on 03/02/2012 7:17:12 PM PST by ansel12 (Newt Gingrich knows how to deconstruct Obama in a head to head race, and that is what it will take.)
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To: Patton@Bastogne

Point well made.


8 posted on 03/02/2012 7:20:29 PM PST by gov_bean_ counter (Santorum says he isn't a visionary. Sorry Rick, without a vision the people perish.)
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To: Patton@Bastogne
Wait no longer! - here's a great Santorum speech, Michigan Primary Results 2012: Rick Santorum Proud of His Impact in Tight Race
9 posted on 03/02/2012 7:21:31 PM PST by Girlene (RIP, Andrew, You're no longer under fire.)
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To: ansel12

Progressive?

I think I’m going to puke now. It just goes to show that if a politician says the word ‘G-d’ enough in his speeches, there are enough idiots on our side to think he’s a moral person.


10 posted on 03/02/2012 7:23:06 PM PST by gogogodzilla (Live free or die!)
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To: ansel12

“I come out of the Theodore Roosevelt LaFollette progressive tradition.” - Newt Gingrich


11 posted on 03/02/2012 7:56:17 PM PST by Rightwing Conspiratr1
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To: gogogodzilla
Give your gag reflex a rest and google Santorum’s Chattanooga Tea Party speech.

Interesting, to say the least.

12 posted on 03/02/2012 7:57:50 PM PST by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."...the public interest)
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To: Rightwing Conspiratr1
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13 posted on 03/02/2012 8:00:20 PM PST by ansel12 (Newt Gingrich knows how to deconstruct Obama in a head to head race, and that is what it will take.)
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To: ansel12

“Fannie Mae is an excellent example of a former government institution fulfilling its mandate while functioning in the market economy.” - Newt Gingrich


14 posted on 03/02/2012 8:17:58 PM PST by Rightwing Conspiratr1
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To: gogogodzilla

I think conservatives were “projecting” themselves onto Santorum, because he seemed to share their same values. This is why people get so offended when Santorum’s record gets attacked. It’s basically like attacking them.

Conservatives must realize that Santorum really isn’t like them at all.


15 posted on 03/02/2012 8:20:50 PM PST by Apollo5600
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To: Rightwing Conspiratr1

That was quite the little con you pulled there.

You not only did not give the context, but you cut off the last two words of that sentence and even added a period, to make it something it wasn’t.

PHD history professor Gingrich was talking about corruption and reform.

“I’ve always said I came out of the Theodore Roosevelt-LaFollette progressive tradition of reform,” Gingrich told CSPAN. “I always knew that if you’re dealing with genuine corruption, people will come after you.”

He added that “in every campaign against me that they did, they tried, when people actually looked at the evidence, they concluded in the end that I hadn’t done anything.”


16 posted on 03/02/2012 8:34:25 PM PST by ansel12 (Newt Gingrich knows how to deconstruct Obama in a head to head race, and that is what it will take.)
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To: ansel12; Rightwing Conspiratr1

Absolute excellence, ansel12!

Exposed Rightwing Conspiratr1 as though he were writing for Mitt Romney or Santorum...LOL.


17 posted on 03/02/2012 8:52:39 PM PST by onyx (SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC, DONATE MONTHLY. If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, let me know.)
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To: gogogodzilla; onyx
Progressive?

Yes, Rick Santorum was pro-abortion, and first ran as a "Progressive Conservative", and that is what he had printed into his campaign materials.

Santorum supported Arlen Specter for President

Here is who Santorum wanted for President, (and years later saved him in a Senate race).
"For Specter, who later became a Democrat, his pro-abortion-rights position was a centerpiece of his campaign. Specter believed that anti-abortion activists were a “fringe” group hijacking the Republican party.
“There are clearly more Republicans who are pro-choice,” Specter told Newsday’s Susan Page. “Up until now, I am the only person willing to take on the fringe.” After Specter dropped out of the race, he led an ill-fated movement to change the anti-abortion provision in the Republican party platform."

18 posted on 03/02/2012 9:06:38 PM PST by ansel12 (Newt Gingrich knows how to deconstruct Obama in a head to head race, and that is what it will take.)
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To: Rightwing Conspiratr1

Your quote is from 1995, and Newt was speaking about the business model several GSEs had adopted putting them into the private sector. They screwed that up royally...

For YEARS Freddie/Fannie have been known to be corrupt.
And Gingrich was pointing out HOW CORRUPT they were, even in 2008.

Here is a transcript of Newt saying on CSPAN, how horrible Freddie and Fannie were managed and they should be dismantled...

“Governing & Political Change” held in St. Paul, Minnesota.
September 3, 2008

“Bachmann: The question is on Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac
and the outrage and will it go private? or where are Fannie Mae and Feddie Mac going to go?

Gingrich: Well, I think this is one of the great tests of reform- of a populist reform conservatism.

There is ZERO reasons to bail out these two institutions.

They have violated the fundamental principle of why
they were created.

And I did a fair amount of-... Let me be right up front...
I did a fair amount of work with Freddie Mac, looking at
it, consulting it, but not at a fiduciary level, but at a
general public policy level.

I am appalled at the degree of management
irresponsibility that both places have had, and I think
they should be treated precisely like a private sector institution,

And the stockholders, and the senior management should
fundamentally have to bear the brunt...

I don’t think you want to let them go broke, because
they’re enormous, and that has a BIG second and third order
consequence on the system.

But I think what you want to say, is as a consequence of
their survival, they should be broken up, they should
go thru the equivalent of a receivership, and everybody who
was profiting from them should pay the cost of having failed.

And the general taxpayer should NOT bear that burden.
and I think that could be handled totally different.

But there is ZERO reason, now that they’ve failed...
I was perfectly happy to not PUSH the issue, as long as
they weren’t failing, but NOW that they’ve clearly failed their fiduciary responsibility, there is zero reason for the average taxpayer to bail out these institutions.

And their senior managements have been DISGRACEFUL
in the mismanagement, particularly I think, of Fannie
Mae which had huge, huge, internal problems
in terms of accounting, in a way you can’t quite understand...

How could people run an institution THAT badly? “

(Here is Royyal Wulff’s pointer to that historical video clip)
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-YiYWnA1_y8&feature=player_embedded


19 posted on 03/02/2012 9:37:19 PM PST by true believer forever (Save the Irish Setters - Vote Newt!)
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To: ansel12

That’s absolutely devastating.


20 posted on 03/02/2012 9:38:03 PM PST by onyx (SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC, DONATE MONTHLY. If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, let me know.)
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To: onyx

None of us really looked at Santorum, I am amazed at how quickly such dark things come up about him.

He is just an empty suit, a nobody, just another lawyer adapting himself to blowing winds, no wonder he suffered a record breaking loss for reelection in his Senate seat.

Santorum is just Romney-lite.


21 posted on 03/02/2012 9:58:55 PM PST by ansel12 (Newt Gingrich knows how to deconstruct Obama in a head to head race, and that is what it will take.)
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To: ansel12
I'm always leery of lawyer politicians.

Congress already has too many. I'd like to see Tea Party patriots from all walks of life.

No more lawyer presidents.

22 posted on 03/02/2012 10:10:50 PM PST by onyx (SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC, DONATE MONTHLY. If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, let me know.)
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To: onyx
I'll post you another picture of a letter from Santorum after he tried to become pro-life to run for office (Romney style).

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23 posted on 03/02/2012 10:37:12 PM PST by ansel12 (Newt Gingrich knows how to deconstruct Obama in a head to head race, and that is what it will take.)
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To: ansel12

Show me a lawyer who’s turned politician and I’ll show you a grand scale liar.

How many of his supporters have seen this?


24 posted on 03/02/2012 10:44:05 PM PST by onyx (SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC, DONATE MONTHLY. If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, let me know.)
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To: onyx

I was going to ask you, am I posting new stuff? I haven’t seen it here before tonight.


25 posted on 03/02/2012 10:46:32 PM PST by ansel12 (Newt Gingrich knows how to deconstruct Obama in a head to head race, and that is what it will take.)
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To: ansel12

i’ve never seen it.

I need to sign out. Good night. God bless you, ansel12!


26 posted on 03/02/2012 11:07:27 PM PST by onyx (SUPPORT FREE REPUBLIC, DONATE MONTHLY. If you want on Sarah Palin's Ping List, let me know.)
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To: Apollo5600

Santorum, when in power, was not a conservative. Everyone who has his head together and reads knows this. He’s a little stupid and plenty corrupt.


27 posted on 03/03/2012 7:38:27 AM PST by SaraJohnson
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To: ansel12

Wow. Well done.


28 posted on 03/03/2012 7:46:11 AM PST by trisham (Zen is not easy. It takes effort to attain nothingness. And then what do you have? Bupkis.)
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To: onyx

We need to do our best to present this information to all of them. The Rick Santorum we know does not match the Rick Santorum they have.


29 posted on 03/03/2012 2:15:17 PM PST by Apollo5600
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