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Did Woodrow Wilson praise the Bolshevik Revolution?
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Posted on 03/03/2012 9:06:24 AM PST by ProgressingAmerica

In Wilson's War Message to Congress on 2 April, 1917, Woodrow Wilson said the following:

A steadfast concert for peace can never be maintained except by a partnership of democratic nations. No autocratic government could be trusted to keep faith within it or observe its covenants. It must be a league of honour, a partnership of opinion. Intrigue would eat its vitals away; the plottings of inner circles who could plan what they would and render account to no one would be a corruption seated at its very heart. Only free peoples can hold their purpose and their honour steady to a common end and prefer the interests of mankind to any narrow interest of their own.

Does not every American feel that assurance has been added to our hope for the future peace of the world by the wonderful and heartening things that have been happening within the last few weeks in Russia? Russia was known by those who knew it best to have been always in fact democratic at heart, in all the vital habits of her thought, in all the intimate relationships of her people that spoke their natural instinct, their habitual attitude towards life. The autocracy that crowned the summit of her political structure, long as it had stood and terrible as was the reality of its power, was not in fact Russian in origin, character, or purpose; and now it has been shaken off and the great, generous Russian people have been added in all their naive majesty and might to the forces that are fighting for freedom in the world, for justice, and for peace. Here is a fit partner for a league of honour.

It would be entirely fair(as much as I dislike Wilson) to point out that he could not have known that they would go on to slaughter 20+ million people. I suppose you could say that it was a good thing that the Russia was overthrowing the Tsars and "moving toward freedom"(which was their claim) - the problem is their definition of freedom. Wilson, like the Bolsheviks, had a belief in collective freedom, and freedom for the state. Not freedom for the individual. Or, at best, freedom for the individual is secondary to the primary of freedom for the state. It was Wilson who wrote that Democracy and Socialism are one and the same.


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1 posted on 03/03/2012 9:06:30 AM PST by ProgressingAmerica
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To: ProgressingAmerica
If anybody wants on/off the revolutionary progressivism ping list, send me a message

Progressives do not want to discuss their own history. I want to discuss their history.

Summary: Wilson's comments during the "glorious revolution"

2 posted on 03/03/2012 9:08:50 AM PST by ProgressingAmerica (What's the best way to reach a you tube generation? Put it on you tube!)
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To: ProgressingAmerica

So too did Newt Gingrich praise and adore Woodrow Wilson, and even called himself a “ Wilsonian “ .


3 posted on 03/03/2012 9:09:07 AM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: ProgressingAmerica

He’s referring to the overthrow of Czar Nicholas II and the Provisional Government led by Alexander Kerensky in February/March of 1917.

The Bolshevik Revolution did not occur until October/November 1917.

(Julian Calendar/Gregorian Calendar, Russia was on the Julian Calendar until after the Reds took over)


4 posted on 03/03/2012 9:15:09 AM PST by GreenLanternCorps ("Barack Obama" is Swahili for "Jimmy Carter".)
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To: American Constitutionalist

I’d like to see the citation of proof for your assertion. Where, when, in what context did Gingrich do this?


5 posted on 03/03/2012 9:19:05 AM PST by Marechal
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To: GreenLanternCorps

Wilson was the second worst president in terms of damage he caused, third is carter and first is 0.


6 posted on 03/03/2012 9:20:12 AM PST by Mmogamer (I refudiate the lamestream media, leftists and their prevaricutions.)
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To: ProgressingAmerica
he problem is their definition of freedom. Wilson, like the Bolsheviks, had a belief in collective freedom, and freedom for the state. Not freedom for the individual.

Amd that's not really freedom at all because not all people want the same things but are forced to support or even pay for what others want (like birth control or Chevy Volts)
7 posted on 03/03/2012 9:21:09 AM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: ProgressingAmerica
Does not every American feel that assurance has been added to our hope for the future peace of the world by the wonderful and heartening things that have been happening within the last few weeks in Russia?

60 million dead in the gulags might disagree, but who cares? Omelets and eggs, that's all.

8 posted on 03/03/2012 9:24:08 AM PST by denydenydeny (The more a system is all about equality in theory the more it's an aristocracy in practice.)
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To: Marechal

Why don’t you go and do your own search, you know, Google it, search Youtube yourself , there are plenty of videos where Newt with his own words have said this.... opps, this does not fit the plan, the program, the agenda of the Newt supporters,,, got to hide the truth about Newt...


9 posted on 03/03/2012 9:29:42 AM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: ProgressingAmerica
In April of 1917, when Wilson made those remarks, the Reds did not control the Russian Revolution.

Russian Revolution Timeline.

1917

•February 23-27 (March 8-12 NS) - The February Revolution begins with strikes, demonstrations, and mutinies in Petrograd (also called the March Revolution if following the Gregorian calendar)

•March 2 (March 15 NS) - Czar Nicholas II abdicates and includes his son. The following day, Nicholas' brother, Mikhail announced his refusal to accept the throne. Provisional Government formed

•April 3 (April 16 NS) - Lenin returns from exile and arrives in Petrograd via a sealed train

•July 3-7 (July 16-20 NS) - The July Days begin in Petrograd with spontaneous protests against the Provisional Government; after the Bolsheviks unsuccessfully try to direct these protests into a coup, Lenin is forced into hiding

•July 11 (July 24 NS) - Alexander Kerensky becomes Prime Minister of the Provisional Government

•August 22-27 (September 4-9 NS) - The Kornilov Affair, a failed coup by General Lavr Kornilov, commander of the Russian Army

•October 25 (November 7 NS) - The October Revolution - the Bolsheviks take over Petrograd (also called the November Revolution if following the Gregorian calendar)

•October 26 (November 8 NS) - The Winter Palace, the last holdout of the Provisional Government, is taken by the Bolsheviks; the Council of People's Commissars (abbreviated as Sovnarkom), led by Lenin, is now in control of Russia

You can also read about the "Polar Bear" expidition here. In 1918, Willson sent the US Army into Russia to fight the Bolshivics (Reds) in support of the "White Russian" forces.

Wilson was a "Progressive" who did a lot of damage. But he wasn't a commie.

10 posted on 03/03/2012 9:33:36 AM PST by Ditto (Nov 2, 2010 -- Partial cleaning accomplished. More trash to remove in 2012)
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To: ProgressingAmerica

Well, well, well, who would have known ? Newt Gingrich has praised and adored commie Woodrow Wilson, and he has not hidden his love for, and praise for commie FDR. all progressives... commies..


11 posted on 03/03/2012 9:33:51 AM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: ProgressingAmerica

BTTT


12 posted on 03/03/2012 9:34:15 AM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: ProgressingAmerica

Kerensky was not a Bolshevik.


13 posted on 03/03/2012 9:37:07 AM PST by samtheman
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To: ProgressingAmerica
Newt's campaign is rapidly losing support and is hemorrhaging...
One of Newt's people in Tennessee jumped ship and endorsed Rick Santorum..
14 posted on 03/03/2012 9:38:29 AM PST by American Constitutionalist (The fool has said in his heart, " there is no GOD " ..)
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To: Ditto

The Bolshevik’s false front use of democrats and liberals is interesting in comparison with the islamist’s use of democrats and moderates in the Arab Spring.


15 posted on 03/03/2012 9:42:11 AM PST by JimSEA
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To: American Constitutionalist

The burden of proof is on you, smartass, as you are the one who made the assertion.

Separately, I did not state anything about whom I support in the upcoming election.


16 posted on 03/03/2012 10:11:40 AM PST by Marechal
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To: Marechal
Jacob Schiff of Kuhn, Loeb & Company financed the Communist
17 posted on 03/03/2012 10:53:10 AM PST by scooby321
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To: American Constitutionalist

You’re kidding, right? If you make a claim, you ought to be able to back it up. I don’t know if you’re right or wrong, but I’m going to have to assume from your refusal to provide documentation that you are wrong.

And, just to forestall that response, I’m not a Newt supporter.


18 posted on 03/03/2012 12:30:33 PM PST by SuzyQue
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To: Mmogamer

No argument there. But he didn’t praise the Bolshevik Revolution BEFORE IT HAPPENED.


19 posted on 03/03/2012 2:06:53 PM PST by GreenLanternCorps ("Barack Obama" is Swahili for "Jimmy Carter".)
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To: GreenLanternCorps
No argument there. But he didn’t praise the Bolshevik Revolution BEFORE IT HAPPENED.

Ditto that... and Wilson actually sent the US Army into Russia in 1918 (after Lenin and the commies hijacked the Russian Revolution) They ended up fighting the damn Bolsheviks, not supporting them. We lost a couple of hundred men there on damn nasty duty in ugly far-away places and some of their remains we have never recovered.

I don't know who started this thread or if there was any motive to do so, (suspect that there was) but the entire premise that Wilson supported the commies is pure BS.

If anything, with his Red Scare and his Attorney General at the time (Palmer), he made Joseph McCarthy look to be soft on the commies. Wilson actually put those guys in prison with no trials --- and got away with it.

I guess at least one person on this thread intends this to be a slap at Newt because Newt said something good about Wilson. Wilson was a Progressive jerk for sure, (probably not as bad as Teddy Roosevelt would have been if he had been elected in 1912) but he was not a socialist or a commie by any definition of those words.

Anyone who wants to buy into that fiction should set back and read some history.

Good Lord, this is why I hate this damn Primary System we are stuck with. It devolves into nothing but fratricide against people who are natural allies. It's a classic divide & conquer recipe. We should be directing all of our fire at the enemy --- Obama and the leftist Democrats, rather than trying to destroy each other.

People pushing this s**t are no friends of The Free Republic. I'm sick of seeing this crap on these pages.

20 posted on 03/03/2012 8:29:01 PM PST by Ditto (Nov 2, 2010 -- Partial cleaning accomplished. More trash to remove in 2012)
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To: Ditto
Wilson did not suck on the c@#k of Marx, he sucked on the c@#k of another German pseudo-intellectual, Hegel.

Marx, Hegel, and Nietzsche, Germany has sure produced it's fair share of whiny toddlers who are stuck in a perpetual temper tantrum, otherwise known as cool and hip "intellectuals" among "will believe in anything" crowd.
21 posted on 03/03/2012 8:50:09 PM PST by rollo tomasi (Working hard to pay for deadbeats and corrupt politicians)
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To: samtheman

Kerensky was member of social revolutionary party (SRs) who were most bloodiest terrorists before revolution. Most known was Boris Savinkov. Lenin graduated the school where Kerensky’s father was director. They dominated Soviets in 1917 and CHeKa, so Bolsheviks did share power with them. In 1918 SRs tried to overthrow Bolsheviks but were defeated.


22 posted on 03/05/2012 4:10:54 AM PST by Cossak
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