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The state has a duty to diminish or eliminate the inefficient, and prevent their breeding
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Posted on 03/04/2012 10:58:27 AM PST by ProgressingAmerica

Royal Meeker, who was an advisor and long time ally(details, see chapter 4) to Woodrow Wilson, wrote the following: (page 544)

In M. Colson's view the poor are poor through their own laziness, inability or thriftlessness; the rich are rich because of their own or their ancestors' virtues. The laws of property and of inheritance are almost above criticism. Any attempt to ameliorate the condition of those living at or below the minimum of subsistence must result in such an increase of the poorer classes that the result will inevitably be a larger number of miserable wretches living at or below the margin of starvation (volume i, pages 378 et seq.). This out-Malthuses Malthus; for the English economist, in the later editions of his Essay on Population, modified drastically the original rigor of his reasoning. In his second volume, treating of labor and labor problems, M. Colson somewhat abates the severity of his laisser-faire theories but in a way that will meet with the disapproval of many economists. Speaking of the evils of the sweating system, he admits the mischief of wages below the minimum of subsistence, of unsanitary workrooms and of excessively long hours. But all these evils come about because the workers, male and female, are unskilled, ignorant and superabundant. The remedy for these conditions is not a minimum wage, but a contribution by the state, sufficient, when added to his meager earnings, to enable the underpaid and irregularly employed worker to eke out a livelihood. The choice for these poor wretches is between underpaid work and no work at all. The state should not support them wholly but should make up the difference between their actual wage and a living wage. It seems to the reviewer that all experience has shown that this is the worst "solution" that can possibly be found for this hard social problem. This is the "solution" which was tried for so many years in England, with such disastrous results. It is much better to enact a minimum wage law, even if it deprives these unfortunates of work. Better that the state should support the inefficient wholly and prevent the multiplication of the breed than subsidize incompetence and unthrift, enabling them to bring forth after their kind. M. Colson says nothing of the duty of the state to provide manual and technical training for those born under its sovereignty, to the end that the inefficient may be diminished or eliminated. One cannot avoid thinking that the great French economist seeks to exonerate individual enterprisers from the charge of extortion by an appeal to vague general theories which have no applicability to the case under discussion.

I think this is poorly written. First, who is M. Colson? I searched for the title of the book he is responding to is "Cours d'Economie Politique, by C. Colson", and searching online, the author's name is indeed Clement Colson, from what I can see. Further, the last few lines is mainly what caught my eye. But at first, it's not immediate as to if he's objecting to Colson's eugenic view, or lack therof. This is nasty, and it requires a bit of insight into the mind of a progressive in order to properly interpret this. As was written in the New Republic in 1916:

Imbecility breeds imbecility as certainly as white hens breed white chickens; and under laissez-faire imbecility is given full chance to breed, and does so in fact at a rate far superior to that of able stocks.

This explains why those who are even more well versed in progressivism than I am, attribute these words to Meeker himself, rather than what appears to be a projection on Colson. Jonah Goldberg does so on page 264 of his book Liberal Fascism, and The Freeman does so as well, though they don't give the full quote to which they are referring to.

The evils of progressivism and eugenics, for all to see.


TOPICS: Education
KEYWORDS: democrats; dependency; eugenics; liberalism; liberalprogressivism; liberals; minimumwage; moralabsolutes; prgressives; progressingamerica; progressives; progressivism; socialistdemocrats; welfare

1 posted on 03/04/2012 10:58:35 AM PST by ProgressingAmerica
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To: JDoutrider; OneLoyalAmerican; unkus; detective; iceskater; surroundedbyblue; DuncanWaring; ...
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Progressives do not want to discuss their own history. I want to discuss their history.

Summary: Eugenics

2 posted on 03/04/2012 11:00:55 AM PST by ProgressingAmerica (What's the best way to reach a you tube generation? Put it on you tube!)
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To: ProgressingAmerica

I get to determine who should be eliminated. My neighbors house looks good so I will eliminate him and then I can have his house.

My neighbors kid is ugly so, whack, problem solved


3 posted on 03/04/2012 11:08:49 AM PST by South Dakota (shut up and drill)
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To: ProgressingAmerica

Like it or not, IQ is genetic.


4 posted on 03/04/2012 11:17:12 AM PST by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: coloradan

Has the alleged gene been identified?


5 posted on 03/04/2012 11:19:46 AM PST by Olog-hai
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To: ProgressingAmerica

The leftwing was enamored by eugenics in those days, they had to close their trap with WW2 though


6 posted on 03/04/2012 11:21:27 AM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: coloradan

There is a correlation between genetics and IQ. That’s hardly a justification for forced sterlizations to outright mass slaughter.


7 posted on 03/04/2012 11:22:17 AM PST by ProgressingAmerica (What's the best way to reach a you tube generation? Put it on you tube!)
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To: Olog-hai

No, it’s a whole bunch of genes, sort of like the situation with what makes some (very rare) acorns sweet.


8 posted on 03/04/2012 11:58:15 AM PST by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: ProgressingAmerica

The correlation is very strong. I agree with you that fact does not justify forced sterilizations or mass slaughter. But paying them to have more kids doesn’t seem especially productive either, even aside from the issue of such payments not being Constitutional at the federal level.


9 posted on 03/04/2012 12:04:50 PM PST by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: coloradan
Like it or not, IQ is genetic

From the Declaration of Independence:

"We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness. — That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed"

I don't see how human rights are graded on a bell curve, however.

10 posted on 03/04/2012 12:06:38 PM PST by Vince Ferrer
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To: ProgressingAmerica

I will ping this out later. Been ultra busy lately plus all the insane news.

Thank you for your research.


11 posted on 03/04/2012 12:12:48 PM PST by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell)
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To: coloradan

We essentially pay people to have kids now. How’s that working out?


12 posted on 03/04/2012 12:15:25 PM PST by rbg81 (Only taxpayers should be allowed to vote)
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To: Vince Ferrer

All men might be equal in the eyes of God, but they are not all equals in any measurable quantity ranging from height, weight, reflectivity, strength, agility, intelligence, or anything else you could possibly measure. IQ being genetic tramples none of life, liberty, nor the pursuit of happiness. On the other hand paying welfare tramples the liberty of those who pay, and denies the need of pursuit for the recipients. I agree all must have equal human rights, but entitlements are not rights.


13 posted on 03/04/2012 12:16:38 PM PST by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: GeronL

Was it not the eugenicist, Sanger who founded “planned parenthood”?

I seem to recall reading that.


14 posted on 03/04/2012 12:18:43 PM PST by Cringing Negativism Network ("The door is open" PALIN 2012)
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To: rbg81

How’s it working out? Depends on your point of view. Our “investments in the poor” have paid off handsomely - there are three or four times more poor people than when the transfer programs began in earnest. How many other investments have done as well? Naturally, I don’t think this is an improvement, but then again I’m one of the payers and not one of the recipients.


15 posted on 03/04/2012 12:21:19 PM PST by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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16 posted on 03/04/2012 12:26:00 PM PST by wagglebee ("A political party cannot be all things to all people." -- Ronald Reagan, 3/1/75)
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To: coloradan

Yeah, I should have put a [/s] after my comment. If you subsidize something, you get more of it. Basically, the “Payers” are having fewer kids and the “Takers” are having more. But, the “Takers” are almost all Democratic voters, so (from their perspective) its working out great.


17 posted on 03/04/2012 12:26:52 PM PST by rbg81 (Only taxpayers should be allowed to vote)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

Yes it was.


18 posted on 03/04/2012 12:32:32 PM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: South Dakota

My neighbor lets her dog sit out unattended and bark incessantly.
She is a dumb airhead and should be removed from the gene pool.


19 posted on 03/04/2012 12:47:09 PM PST by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s....you weren't really there)
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To: coloradan

Even if it is, some people can do a lot with a little, and vice versa!


20 posted on 03/04/2012 1:20:52 PM PST by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell. Signed, a fanatic)
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To: ProgressingAmerica
The democrat party is now and always has been the party of slavery, sedition, treason, secession, civil war, KKK terrorism, Jim Crow laws, eugenics laws, constant voter fraud, constant voter intimidation, antisemitic immigration restrictions (in response to Nazi Nuremberg laws), advocates of titles of nobility for protected classes of citizens who are above the law, creators of anti-Christian mythology, creators of the welfare plantation system, advocates for infanticide, euthanasia, homosexuality, bestiality, and sexual perversions of every sort, as well as being the party that designed, implemented, and fights to lavishly fund the systematic, racist, eugenics driven, mass murder of minority infants.

The democrat party has to be so thoroughly destroyed as a national political party that it is no longer a factor in national politics.

The entire democrat machine, including both government employee unions and the democrat rewards, recruitment, and propaganda infrastructure laughably called "academia", needs to be fought until, to paraphrase Bull Halsey, “ ... democrat is only spoken in hell”.

Regards

21 posted on 03/04/2012 1:41:40 PM PST by Rashputin (Only Newt can defeat both the Fascist democrats and the Vichy GOP)
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To: coloradan
Somewhat yes. But that doesn’t mean that selecting for only high IQ is a good idea.

We still need people to do tasks like drive a bus. Also, high IQ persons are more likely to be insane.

22 posted on 03/04/2012 2:22:42 PM PST by redgolum ("God is dead" -- Nietzsche. "Nietzsche is dead" -- God.)
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To: redgolum
Also, high IQ persons are more likely to be insane.

ThE vOiCeS aLl AgReE, jUsT bEcAuSe YoU'rE nOt SmArT eNoUgH tO sEe "EvErYoNe In ThE rOoM mUsT dIe" Is ThE cOrReCt AnSwEr DoEsN't, MeAn ItS tHe WrOnG aNsWeR. AnD i KnOw YoU wErE wAtChInG mE tYpE tHiS fRoM kArPaThIyAn 5. /s

23 posted on 03/04/2012 3:10:53 PM PST by Repeat Offender (While the wicked stand confounded, call me with Thy Saints surrounded)
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To: coloradan

Yes, but in my family the two that are geniuses per IQ tests are the most stupid ones and they’re both extremely liberal. I, on the other hand don’t quite reach the level of genius but I have SOME common sense.


24 posted on 03/04/2012 3:15:33 PM PST by tiki
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To: little jeremiah

The ones who can do a lot with a little, don’t need welfare and I don’t object in the least to having them pay for their own extra babies.


25 posted on 03/04/2012 3:21:00 PM PST by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: redgolum

I didn’t say we should select for only high IQ. More like, let’s not pay those lacking initiative (other than having extra babies) to have extra babies.


26 posted on 03/04/2012 3:22:33 PM PST by coloradan (The US has become a banana republic, except without the bananas - or the republic.)
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To: ProgressingAmerica

These theories would almost certainly mean that a lot of
people would be “eliminated” that had great value to society. Prof. Stephen Hawking of course would not be
allowed to “waste” society’s resources. Lots of others
would have to be eliminated also before they had time
to contribute. Not all who are physically imperfect are
useless.


27 posted on 03/04/2012 5:02:10 PM PST by nvscanman
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To: Cringing Negativism Network
Shameless self-promotion, but it mentions your point in passing, and puts it into context wrt recent events:

(Vanity) This is no Fluke, It's More Like a Hydra

Cheers!

28 posted on 03/04/2012 5:27:00 PM PST by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: ProgressingAmerica

BTTT!!


29 posted on 03/04/2012 6:05:31 PM PST by Absolutely Nobama (NO COMPROMISE! NO RETREAT! NO SURRENDER! I AM A CONSERVATIVE! CASE CLOSED!)
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To: coloradan

Even non-rocket scientists can figure out how to make babies/not make babies, and then work to support them if they show up.


30 posted on 03/04/2012 9:52:59 PM PST by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell. Signed, a fanatic)
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