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GOP Needs Brokered Primary Now! Rick as temp Placekeeper Nominee; Decide Final Nominee @ Convention
March 5, 2012 | FR Golden Gate

Posted on 03/05/2012 7:11:41 AM PST by Golden Gate

This is NOT intended to be only a Rick Santorum thread.

GOP conservatives need to work together to prevail over Mitt Romney, who is the lame GOP-e candidate. Conservatives need to cinch / clinch the GOP nomination ASAP! For the final decision of who should be the actual 2012 GOP nominee, this should be an end-of-August national convention decision, and NOT a Spring primary decision. Conservatives and the GOP as a whole need the extra time to make the best final decision about the nominee.

Several weeks before the Iowa caucus, there was all of this discussion of having one candidate or another drop out. No suitable conservative candidate needs to drop out. The good idea that I had then but did not post, was to have the good conservative candidates work together and take turns in winning any primary that was "winner-take-all". Just make sure that conservative delegates go to the convention to make the best decision.

But it recent weeks, there are FReepers who are sounding an alarm and suggesting a reality check about the selection of delegates to the GOP convention. It may be only a few experts who understand the actual rules and process, and we novices may not be at all happy with the eventual results of the delegate selection process, or what can happen at the convention.

So with this in mind, I gave up on the idea of several good candidates sharing victories in the primaries in a effort to stop the GOP-e candidate. My idea for the last couple of weeks has been that GOP primary voters need to rally around one temporary placekeeper conservative candidate to win the nomination ASAP in March or April. Make it a done deal, and all conservative candidates, leaders and activists immediately begin the general election campaign.

The explicit understanding and gentlemen's agreement is that this temporary placekeeper `nominee' is only for the purpose to stop the GOP-e candidate(s) here in the primary, and hopefully at the convention.

The current conservative candidates, and all other conservative leaders and activists should immediately begin to challenge the Democrat leaders, candidates, and activists to discussions and debates. Don't brag about what a dream candidate might do in debates in the future. Have all conservative candidates and leaders begin to get the experience and prove themselves right now.

If we begin to do this now in March, then as we approach the convention we will have a very clear and realistic idea of who are truly the best nominees (Pres./VP) to represent the GOP in the general election. Again, let the final decision of the GOP nominee be a August convention decision, and not a Winter or Spring primary decision.

I understand the concept of party primaries. But there is continued talk that the GOP-e is more interested in defeating GOP conservatives than they are in defeating the Democrats in 2012. I have my ideas of an ideal primary process. I hope to present them for future reference. But the GOP-e party rules (and the various state election laws) may work against a good primary.

We don't know if the eventual nominee(s) at the convention will be strongly conservative. If there is an unacceptable GOP-e nominee, will this cause conservatives to implement third party contingencies?

There is all of this talk about "social issues". In some ways, our approach to this is rather lame. I know about the three-legged stool in conservative thought and politics. It is a lame example. Right To Life, for example, is a Founding Principle, and NOT a mere "social issue". We may need to have a table that has four or more legs, and our important Founding Principles need to be the first leg.

The public, the Democrats, and the media, all consider Rick Santorum to be the most well known and outspoken for right to life. That is the primary reason I suggest Rick be designated as the GOP conservative's temporary placeholder `nominee' to cinch the nomination as soon as possible.

There are candidates who eagarly or relucantly say "Yah, I'm pro~lyfe, ...now can we talk about something that is really important..."

Here in the primary, I would like to see conservatives make a strong presentation of right to life and other important conservative principles. If we can not effectively and successfully present our conservative message to all of the American public in the next five and half months before the convention, then maybe we don't deserve the strongest conservative as our nominee for 2012. And, the convention delegates may not want to select a strong conservative nominee.

What we should do now, is make a strong start, and make our best effort. Whether or not Rick Santorum is the eventual official nominee is immaterial. That should be a convention decision. What is important now, is first to use a placeholder to secure a conservative nomination now in March or April. And also, to immediately begin making a strong start in general election mode, and presenting our best conservative message to the American public. We can not waste precious weeks and months limiting our efforts to only GOP voters. And again, no suitable candidates need to drop out.

I also think that conservatives continue the bad habit of being way too focused on specualtion about the power and future success of various dream candidates. Don't wait for the general election. Last summer or fall the conservative candidates and leaders should have begun to challenge the Democrat leaders, candiates, and activists to discussions and debates. Don't brag about what a dream candidate might do in debates in the future. Have all conservative candidates, leaders and activists begin to get the experience and prove themselves right now. In addition to debating on a national presidential level, our prime conservative leaders and candidates should now also be willing to discuss and debate the issues with Democrat candidates on a state and local level. Start now, there is no time to waste.

Voters in the Super Tuesday GOP primary should cast their vote for Rick Santorum, so that conservatives can secure the GOP nomination ASAP!


TOPICS: Politics
KEYWORDS: 2012; gop; gop2012; newt; newt2012; primary; prolife; romney; santorum; santorum2012; supertuesday; supertuesday2012
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Why have not any of the conservative GOP candidates come up with a plan to work together to finally win in the struggle against the GOP-e?
1 posted on 03/05/2012 7:11:46 AM PST by Golden Gate
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To: Golden Gate

At this time, Rick is the only conservative who can beat Willard the Lib.

So Earth to Newt: What are you doing besides handing the nomination to Willard on a silver platter, my friend??

All Latest Polls

Monday, March 05

Ohio Republican Presidential Primary Quinnipiac Romney 34, Santorum 31, Gingrich 15

Ohio Republican Presidential Primary PPP (D) Romney 37, Santorum 36, Gingrich 15

Ohio Republican Presidential Primary Rasmussen Reports Romney 31, Santorum 32, Gingrich 13


2 posted on 03/05/2012 7:15:28 AM PST by CainConservative (Santorum/Huck 2012 w/ Newt, Cain, Palin, Bach, Parker, Watts, Duncan, & Petraeus in the Cabinet)
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To: Golden Gate

A brokered convention will allow the GOP to install a candidate of their choosing.


3 posted on 03/05/2012 7:20:25 AM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Golden Gate

We’re not going to have a brokered convention. That’s just the msm’s wet dream. We’re going to have mitt romney as the gop nominee unless newt drops out before super tuesday. Plain and simple.


4 posted on 03/05/2012 7:22:37 AM PST by pgkdan (Rick Santorum 2012. Conservative's last, best chance!)
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To: All

Post a link on the FR State message boards for the Super Tuesday states!


5 posted on 03/05/2012 7:22:41 AM PST by Golden Gate
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To: CainConservative

Gingrich for months has said, “Just wait until Super Tuesday” that will kick start my campaign. Now he has said, “Well I am going to win Georgia”. Big deal. There are 10 states in play and he is going to win ONE state and that is what all the bragging he was talking about. Seriously, the way he was bragging on himself and how Super Tuesday was going to be all about him then why is he only going to win ONE STATE. I know he loves to brag about himself, but he has absolutely ZERO to brag with. South Carolina and Georgia does not win a general election.


6 posted on 03/05/2012 7:22:41 AM PST by napscoordinator (A moral principled Christian with character is the frontrunner! Congrats Santorum!)
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To: cripplecreek
A brokered convention will allow the GOP to install a candidate of their choosing.

And you can bet your bottom dollar it WON'T be a conservative! We'll have mitt, jeb or christie foisted upon us and we'll be told to like it or lump it.

7 posted on 03/05/2012 7:24:01 AM PST by pgkdan (Rick Santorum 2012. Conservative's last, best chance!)
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To: pgkdan

We’re going to have mitt romney as the gop nominee unless newt drops out before super tuesday. Plain and simple.

But, but Newt is going to win the state that he lived in and represented a small district for 20 years. This after saying Super Tuesday was going to jump start his campaign. I guess he thought he was going to win all ten or something. I predict he will drop out on Wednesday.


8 posted on 03/05/2012 7:25:14 AM PST by napscoordinator (A moral principled Christian with character is the frontrunner! Congrats Santorum!)
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To: All; cripplecreek

Everyone! Brokered Primary NOW!

And do NOT be afraid of an Open Convention, We Are a Republic!
9 posted on 03/05/2012 7:26:30 AM PST by Golden Gate
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To: Golden Gate

Hope to be back this afternoon...


10 posted on 03/05/2012 7:27:24 AM PST by Golden Gate
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To: Golden Gate

There is not going to be a brokered convention. And even if there was, it would likely just result in the selection of an establishment candidate (Jeb, Christie, etc).


11 posted on 03/05/2012 7:27:37 AM PST by Longbow1969
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To: napscoordinator

“I predict he will drop out on Wednesday.”

As usual, you’re wrong.


12 posted on 03/05/2012 7:27:40 AM PST by Josh Painter ("We intend to change Washington, not accomodate it." - Newt Gingrich)
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To: Josh Painter
I know. God forbid Newt have any principles. I was trying to give him the benefit of the doubt. Again he is in it for himself. He is bashing rich people again with his “rich people don't care about gas prices”. He is a disaster. I suppose you really want Newt for the nominee. A vote for Newt is a vote for Romney (except in Gingrich's hometown of Georgia).
13 posted on 03/05/2012 7:36:27 AM PST by napscoordinator (A moral principled Christian with character is the frontrunner! Congrats Santorum!)
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To: CainConservative

If we play for the tie, we deserve to lose!

Play for the win.

Playing for the tie and watching Mitt take the nomination would be a disaster.


15 posted on 03/05/2012 7:42:23 AM PST by LeopoldvonRanke
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To: ZULU

Which would throw the nomination to Romney again.

Geez, what is this, night of the loser strategies.

Here’s a simple table.

Romney vs Paul -> Romneyslide, every state
Romney vs Gingrich -> Romneyslide, everything outside the south.
Romney vs Santorum -> Santorum wins.

This is not hard people.


16 posted on 03/05/2012 7:46:04 AM PST by LeopoldvonRanke
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To: LeopoldvonRanke

Romney versus Santorum equals huge landslide for Romney.


17 posted on 03/05/2012 7:55:30 AM PST by redangus
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To: napscoordinator
I predict he will drop out on Wednesday.

That may be too late. This primary season is making me physically ill. I saw ron paul on some candidate forum that cnn held this weekened and felt like shooting the tv. It's a disgrace that that blabbering, incompetent, blind, anti-conservative fool is running in our primary! Then there's the smarmy mitt! We got a 30% candidate in 2008 and unless newt drops out fast we'll get a 25% candidate this time around. Pisses me off to no end!

18 posted on 03/05/2012 7:56:13 AM PST by pgkdan (Rick Santorum 2012. Conservative's last, best chance!)
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To: redangus

Look at Missouri - Santorum dominated Romney in the head to head.


19 posted on 03/05/2012 7:57:12 AM PST by LeopoldvonRanke
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To: redangus
Romney versus Santorum equals huge landslide for Romney.

Sorry but numerous published polls prove you wrong. There not one poll that shows Romney beating Rick head to head. None.

20 posted on 03/05/2012 7:57:45 AM PST by pgkdan (Rick Santorum 2012. Conservative's last, best chance!)
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To: Golden Gate

So basically, you are telling the millions of people who voted fro Romney in the Primaries that their vote does not count.


21 posted on 03/05/2012 8:12:33 AM PST by martinidon
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To: pgkdan

Ron Paul admitted yesterday that his chances of winning the nomination are “slim at best” yet there he is being Romney’s attack poodle day in and day out.


22 posted on 03/05/2012 8:13:43 AM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: LeopoldvonRanke
Look at Missouri - Santorum dominated Romney in the head to head.

Yeah, Colorado, Missouri, and Minnesota proved that santorum is competitive outside his backyard. Gingrich on the other hand is running a pure southern strategy that has absolutely no chance of winning him the nomination. There simply aren't enough delegates there, its simple math.
23 posted on 03/05/2012 8:20:30 AM PST by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: CainConservative

Except that Rick is no fiscal conservative.


24 posted on 03/05/2012 10:22:36 AM PST by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: martinidon

I think we should exclude votes from the mentally retarded.


25 posted on 03/05/2012 10:24:09 AM PST by Sam Gamgee (May God have mercy upon my enemies, because I won't. - Patton)
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To: napscoordinator

GO NEWT! All the way to the convention........We need to stop Santorum as badly as we need to stop Romney.

Or else go third party around Newt and Sarah or West.


26 posted on 03/05/2012 10:30:04 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2854786/posts

Isn’t going to work. Santorum is going to be the candidate and again since you voted write in, in 2008. You will just be voting for Obama again anyway so your opinion does not matter anymore. I used to feel you deserved a voice on Free Republic until I found out that you voted write in and handed Obama the election. You are the biggest problem!


27 posted on 03/05/2012 10:33:12 AM PST by napscoordinator (A moral principled Christian with character is the frontrunner! Congrats Santorum!)
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To: napscoordinator

Agree, naps.

Gingrich is being very selfish and he is actually thumbing his nose at the conservative wing of the party.

He is so far behind, he will never catch up. Now his ego demands that he hang on to the bitter end, making Romney a shoo-in.


28 posted on 03/05/2012 10:39:17 AM PST by GracieOMalley
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To: napscoordinator
I hardly think that the State I live in, hinged on my single vote, It is a hopelessly Democrat State. (Minnesota)

But go ahead, hyperventilate over drama-queen hypotheticals like you usually do. And try to convince this forum that I single handedly gave the election to Obama.

And I will exercise my right to do with my vote how I choose. Your guilt trip rhetoric means nothing.

29 posted on 03/05/2012 10:41:45 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

Well that is true you have the right. However, you are thinking that Santorum is the anti-Christ and that is not true. The main point is to get rid of Romney at least for now. Wouldn’t it be nice to get rid of Romney and then Newt and Santorum can fight it out at which point I don’t care which one gets the nomination. The problem now is Romney is winning because the two of them are not being strategic.


30 posted on 03/05/2012 10:51:01 AM PST by napscoordinator (A moral principled Christian with character is the frontrunner! Congrats Santorum!)
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To: martinidon

#21... ? vote does not count. ??

Reminder, this is an election. Myth-Rom is a lame politician who does not deserve our vote. If conservative campaigns and voters can work together, we would have *more* votes than Myth. What is it that the moderate GOP voters don’t like about the conservative message and candidates? If a voter wants their “vote to count” for the good of our country, then they should not waste their vote on Myth.


31 posted on 03/05/2012 10:53:43 AM PST by Golden Gate
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To: napscoordinator
What makes you so certain that Newt's votes would go to Santorum? There is a strong reason why Newt's voters are as loyal as they are. They know too well, who and what Santorum is.

In fact most of them will likely go to Romney, since he is volumes ahead of Santorum in regards to Organization, Planning, Executive and economic experience. And most of Newt's supporters have probably never heard of Free Republic, so Romney would likely win by an even bigger margin.

32 posted on 03/05/2012 11:04:00 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: Golden Gate

Newt is the better vote for your stated purposes.


33 posted on 03/05/2012 11:06:10 AM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: PSYCHO-FREEP

I don’t know but I know a lot of Newt supporters who hate Romney. I just don’t understand your hatred for Santorum. It is deep seeded. You have said you hate Santorum more than Romney. That is very personal and not logical. I don’t hate Newt. I think he is not right for our country at this time. He is for class warfare and hasn’t run in any state campaign. He needs to do that before he is ready to be President. However if Newt is the nominee I am voting for him.


34 posted on 03/05/2012 11:13:28 AM PST by napscoordinator (A moral principled Christian with character is the frontrunner! Congrats Santorum!)
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To: napscoordinator
Now I am going to call you on your extreme drama queen antics.

Show me a statement where I ever said I “hate” Santorum.

I have said I do not support him, nor do I like his phony personality or rhetoric, and I frequently point out his pathetic record, but I have never said I “hate” him.

That is some pathological stint, that you have invented somewhere in your limited mind. I did say in other past comments, that I HATE Romney. There is no confusion in that regard.

35 posted on 03/05/2012 11:33:31 AM PST by PSYCHO-FREEP (If you come to a fork in the road, take it........)
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To: All; Golden Gate

Anchor Post Directory - - - - *@@@{{{*

“Anchor Posts = @Posts” is an idea to try to organize our work and activism on FR threads.

If I have the time to set some up, I’ll post to this @Post.
Use “View Replies” for single channel of info or communication... pending... Mon afternoon.


36 posted on 03/05/2012 11:59:29 AM PST by Golden Gate
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#30 - Must Read! - The main point is to get rid of Romney at least for now. // The problem now is Romney is winning because the two of them (Rick & Newt) are not being strategic.


37 posted on 03/05/2012 12:05:21 PM PST by Golden Gate
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Master Anchor Post = @Post - - - - *@@@@@@*

1. Post specific info or communication to specific @Post

2. Click on “View Replies” for single channel of info or communication (if any).


38 posted on 03/05/2012 12:21:02 PM PST by Golden Gate
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Official Rick Santorum Statement - - - - *RRRSSS*

Relating to conservatives working together to secure the GOP nomination ASAP!

Please Post to THIS @Post -


39 posted on 03/05/2012 12:23:39 PM PST by Golden Gate
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Official Newt Gingrich Statement - - - - *NNNGGG*

Relating to conservatives working together to secure the GOP nomination ASAP!

Please Post to THIS @Post -


40 posted on 03/05/2012 12:25:46 PM PST by Golden Gate
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To: 9YearLurker

Your preference duly noted. I consider NG an option, but at this time he is not my preference.

My message to him and all candidates... they need to campaign to the general public to show that they have suitable support with independents, moderates, and even some Dems; so we know that a nominee can run a viable campaign in the fall.


41 posted on 03/05/2012 12:41:02 PM PST by Golden Gate
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To: Golden Gate

And you really don’t think the MSM, Obama and the Dems would make Rick Santorum—he who would use the presidency as a bully pulpit to speak out against contraception—completely radioactive to moderate and independent women by this fall?


42 posted on 03/05/2012 12:44:30 PM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: 9YearLurker

AND - I want to say more of why I think we should all “Rally 4 Rick!” (pending) - Even if this deal were made, even Rick would have to use the next 5 months to prove that he was ready for the general election, and the WH! If he were not viable with the US public, then conservative delegates would have to decide who is.


43 posted on 03/05/2012 12:52:02 PM PST by Golden Gate
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To: Golden Gate

Maybe he seems particularly wrong for what you’re proposing given how he’s been snide about Sarah Palin and the tea party and really doesn’t have any record of building coalitions and getting deals done the way Newt at least does.


44 posted on 03/05/2012 12:55:15 PM PST by 9YearLurker
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To: GracieOMalley

Santorum will get demolished in the general. The left will throw everything they have at him. They will even try to tie him in with Rush and the contraception issue. The Chicago mob will stop at nothing. No way Rick gets the independents.


45 posted on 03/05/2012 1:01:07 PM PST by jersey117 (The Stepford Media should be sued for malpractice)
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To: Lazlo in PA; Antoninus; AmericanInTokyo; napscoordinator; pgkdan

- For this “Brokered Primary Now!” thread -

Rick Santorum 2012 FReeper HQ !Admin @Post - - - - *!!RRSS*

Roll Call! Post Here -

(Note: NOT related to FR Admin)


46 posted on 03/05/2012 1:26:56 PM PST by Golden Gate
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To: onyx; Cincinatus' Wife; Marguerite; RitaOK; Josh Painter; 9YearLurker

- For this “Brokered Primary Now!” thread -

Newt Gingrich 2012 FReeper HQ !Admin @Post - - - - *!!NNGG*

Roll Call! Post Here -

(Note: NOT related to FR Admin)


47 posted on 03/05/2012 1:28:37 PM PST by Golden Gate
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Are FReepers going to `lead the way’?

Come on Folks, - Let’s make a deal!


48 posted on 03/05/2012 1:40:41 PM PST by Golden Gate
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To: Josh Painter

Looks like a Santorum thread to me. LOL!!!!

The Santorum strategy over the course of the last several days has desolved into writing op eds and whining at Newt, who is busy with a surge in the making.

Fat chance of Newt getting out. Let’s just hold our horses and count “committed” delegates after Super Tuesday, Alabama and TEXAS.

Reportedly, Santorum has yet to win an actual PRIMARY! Caucas maybe’s (un-committed) are still among most of his delegates or nearly most.

Same story in Tennessee - with few to none in “committed” delegates. Not so with Newt.


49 posted on 03/05/2012 2:09:57 PM PST by RitaOK (LET 'ER RIP, NEWT. Newt knows where all the bodies are buried, because he buried them.)
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To: 9YearLurker

Quick general answer - I expect ALL candidates are going to have one problem or another w/ the media...

AND, it is not just the candidates problem, it is OUR / conservatives problem. Not just what are they going to do; but also what are we going to do to help them? (IF we are inclined to help a particular candidate.)

Oh, did you say “radioactive”? FR HAZMAT can deal with that, - Yes? Do you want to take the lead in organizing that?

If so, make an Anchor Post or a separate thread and let’s go to Work!


50 posted on 03/05/2012 2:17:35 PM PST by Golden Gate
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