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Greek 1 Year Sovereign Bonds Pass 1000% Opa!
Confounded Interest ^ | 03/05/2012 | Anthony B. Sanders

Posted on 03/05/2012 8:20:08 AM PST by whitedog57

Here is a document discussing how a disorderly Greek default would cost over $1 trillion Euros.

And the 1 year Greek sovereign debt yield breaks 1000%!

While the Eurozone touts that they have solved the Greek credit crisis (at least for the moment), investors don’t seem too mollified.

Opa! Your economy is on fire!

(Excerpt) Read more at confoundedinterest.wordpress.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: bond; collapse; debt; default; getreadyhereitcomes; greecebailout; greekcollapse
Look at the charts! I found this on Anthony B. Sanders blog site Confounded Interest.

This is our future, by the way.

1 posted on 03/05/2012 8:20:14 AM PST by whitedog57
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To: whitedog57

Holy Baklava, Batman!


2 posted on 03/05/2012 8:21:26 AM PST by JDW11235 (http://www.thirty-thousand.org/)
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To: whitedog57
That's not a bond - it's a lottery ticket.
3 posted on 03/05/2012 8:26:19 AM PST by KarlInOhio (You only have three billion heartbeats in a lifetime.How many does the government claim as its own?)
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To: whitedog57

And the 1 year Greek sovereign debt yield breaks 1000%!

I’m really trying to follow all this stuff, but I do not understand what this statement means.
I would love a very simple explanation!
Thanx.


4 posted on 03/05/2012 8:28:36 AM PST by WestwardHo
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To: WestwardHo

and the 2 year at 229.8% and 10 year bonds at 36.5%....enjoy.


5 posted on 03/05/2012 8:37:39 AM PST by spokeshave (Dole/McCain/Romney losers all....NEWT is da Man)
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To: whitedog57
OPA!

'Zorbitant' the Greek!

6 posted on 03/05/2012 8:41:14 AM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: WestwardHo

What it means is that investors are assigning a high probability of Greek default DESPITE the bailout. Their spending and debt are murderous (like our spending and debt) and investors want HUGE premiums to lend them money.


7 posted on 03/05/2012 8:41:14 AM PST by whitedog57
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To: spokeshave

The Greek yield curve is perverse. Much of their debt is rolling over during the next year, so the 1 year rates are staggering. Banks/ECB are buying longer term Greek bonds in an attempt to lower rates.

It will all fail of course.


8 posted on 03/05/2012 8:43:23 AM PST by whitedog57
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To: WestwardHo
It means over 1000% per year interest. A promise by the Greek government to pay a Euro one year from today is worth about $0.09 cents. Another words, you can buy a Greek Euro 10,000 bond for Euro 909.09. For a single payment type bond you can calculate present value pretty easily:

PV = FV x (1 + i) ^N

PV = Present value, what you pay for a bond today.

FV = Future value, amount promised.

i = interest rate, per compounding period, 5% = 0.05, 1000% = 10

N = Number of compounding periods.

^ = symbol for exponentiation. (1+i)^N means(1+i) raised to the Nth power.


9 posted on 03/05/2012 8:44:01 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Ceterum autem censeo, Obama delenda est.)
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To: spokeshave

It’s perverse for longer range periods to have *lower* interest rates than long term. It means that the market believes that whatever bad thing is going to happen, is going to happen within the next year. Normally, the risk built into bond prices assumes that adverse events are about equally likely anytime in the future. This behavior is consistent with a belief that a one-time readjustment will occur within 12 months.


10 posted on 03/05/2012 8:48:20 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Ceterum autem censeo, Obama delenda est.)
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To: WestwardHo

It means that Jimmy the Greek is laying 10 to one against Greece paying off.


11 posted on 03/05/2012 8:49:34 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Ceterum autem censeo, Obama delenda est.)
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

“I’m really trying to follow all this stuff, but I do not understand what this statement means. I would love a very simple explanation!”

It’s 1000 percent interest on everything that they borrow.

They have to repay 10x what they borrow, meaning that lenders only expect to recoup 10 percent of whatever they lend to the Greeks.

Hyperinflation, here we come.


12 posted on 03/05/2012 8:55:23 AM PST by LeopoldvonRanke
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To: LeopoldvonRanke

if the Greeks don’t make their weekly vig who can
they hurt?


13 posted on 03/05/2012 9:01:38 AM PST by RitchieAprile
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To: LeopoldvonRanke

1000% interest mean per compounding period means they owe to 11 times what was borrowed after one compounding period. For a one year note, at 1000% per year, simple interest, that’s (1 + 10) x 1 = 11.


14 posted on 03/05/2012 9:02:56 AM PST by Lonesome in Massachussets (Ceterum autem censeo, Obama delenda est.)
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To: RitchieAprile

Anybody who buys their bonds.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2012-02-17/ecb-plan-to-shield-its-greek-bonds-may-subordinate-some-holders-ubs-says.html

ECB is trying to screw the private bondholders - which is why the yields are spiking.

So basically anyone associated with the ECB is going to go down hard with a Greek default.


15 posted on 03/05/2012 9:11:31 AM PST by LeopoldvonRanke
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To: WestwardHo
And the 1 year Greek sovereign debt yield breaks 1000%! I’m really trying to follow all this stuff, but I do not understand what this statement means. I would love a very simple explanation! Thanx.

I am not sure whether this will suffice as a 'very simple' explanation, and others have already given some good answers without the unnecessary jargon that normally accompanies interest rate discussions. Basically, and in the simplest way possible of explaining this, whenever you see interest rates shoot up like that it is basically a message from the market on the economic and financial health of an economy. Basically, the market is saying it is t!ts up. It is basically supply and demand, in this case demand drying up so bad that the only way people may (and 'may' is the key word) be interested is if the interest rates are VERY high.

It is like having two people come to you to borrow money - say a thousand Dollars. One is a multi-millionaire who just happened to be short on cash for the weekend (i.e. very low risk of default and you are basically assured of getting your money back come Monday), and the second is that crazy guy who lives under the bridge who has horrid credit, has a bad drug habit, lies worse than a Thai hooker, and owes the local mob boss money. That chap comes to you and also wants to borrow money on Friday for the weekend (also claiming some emergency), promising to pay you on Monday too.

Now, both of them need $1,000, but one is a multi-millionaire who you know is wearing shoes worth more than the amount of cash he is asking for. The other is a chap who, to be honest, is not just a bad credit risk but an impossible one (because even if he wanted to pay he still wouldn't be able to ...the mob boss would get it before you did). Now, you can basically give the money to the rich guy and have him pay you back with a couple Dollars on top. However, for you to give the money to the crazy hobo he would have to offer you some C-R-A-Z-Y rate of return for you to even consider it, and even then you would probably say no. Maybe if he told you he has a house worth $300,000 that was gifted to him in a will last week, and if you loan him the money he will sign you the house (on the spot, upfront, ofcourse) and if he doesn't pay you the money on Monday you get to keep the house. That is, you give him $1,000, he signs the documents there and then, and if he doesn't pay you by close-of-business Monday you get to keep a $300,000 house! That may be the ONLY way you would lend him money.

Basically Greece is the crazy hobo down the street. Things are so bad, and the overhang of supply to demand so high (i.e. little supply), that the only way they can borrow $1,000 bucks is by giving the keys to a $300,000 house. Or, in real terms, giving a one year bond at 1,000%.

I hope that makes sense, and if I made it too simple apologies. But basically, this is the equivalent of a leper saying that if you give her a french kiss for 5 minutes she will give you money. For you to consider that 'offer,' if you decide to consider it at all, the money being offered will probably be quite the amount (and then you run to the hospital and ask for the godmother of all injections). Basically Greece is the leper woman sitting at the kissing booth, and the bonds' interest rate is the money being offered. Unfortunately I doubt many people will take them up.

16 posted on 03/05/2012 9:12:41 AM PST by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: spetznaz; WestwardHo
Things are so bad, and the overhang of supply to demand so high (i.e. little supply)

I meant (i.e. little demand). Sorry.

17 posted on 03/05/2012 9:16:25 AM PST by spetznaz (Nuclear-tipped Ballistic Missiles: The Ultimate Phallic Symbol)
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To: spokeshave; whitedog57; Lonesome in Massachussets; spetznaz

Now I’m going to read about that Brain Eating something or other.....

Thank you all! I am now smarter than I was before! And now I’m sorry for that!

Seriously, thank you all!


18 posted on 03/05/2012 9:20:24 AM PST by WestwardHo
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To: Lonesome in Massachussets

I believe that the 1000% is the yield, that is not the coupon rate. All this really means is that the price of the bond is so many cents on the dollar or Euro.


19 posted on 03/05/2012 9:23:19 AM PST by Captain Peter Blood
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To: Captain Peter Blood

Yes, 1000% is the YIELD, not the coupon rate. The coupon is 4.1%.


20 posted on 03/05/2012 9:39:35 AM PST by whitedog57
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To: Captain Peter Blood

The author of the blog Confounded Interest has put the details of the 1 year Greek bond on his blog. It is indeed a 4.1% coupon bond.

http://confoundedinterest.wordpress.com/2012/03/05/greek-1-year-sovereign-bonds-pass-1000-opa/


21 posted on 03/05/2012 9:44:12 AM PST by whitedog57
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To: whitedog57

lol

Government debt.... bad idea


22 posted on 03/05/2012 10:10:54 AM PST by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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