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Survival Boards ^ | 3/9/12

Posted on 03/10/2012 1:11:18 PM PST by Kartographer

While watching Doomsday Preppers last week, I observed one major difference in the various plans, and that was if the plan included access to land and water.

Its one thing to stockpile 2 – 3 years of canned goods, food in mylar bags, freeze dried food, have a rainwater collection system, small backyard garden,,,,.

Its another thing to have access to several acres of land, able to have chickens, a nice sized garden for a variety of fresh veggies, various types of fruit trees, access to fresh running water and access to land to hunt on. Maybe even have access to water to fish in.

Two of the main differences I see between the various long term SHTF survival plans, is access to fresh food and access to fresh water. People may argue there are lots of other differences, but for this article I wanted to talk about two main topics – water and fresh food.

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From a Bosina water survivor:

"Living near a well with a manual pump is like living in the Garden of Eden."

1 posted on 03/10/2012 1:11:22 PM PST by Kartographer
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To: appalachian_dweller; OldPossum; DuncanWaring; VirginiaMom; CodeToad; goosie; kalee; ...

Preppers’ PING!

Northern and Central Freepers Preppers please Freep mail me.


2 posted on 03/10/2012 1:13:26 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

Thanks; I needed that advice, K!


3 posted on 03/10/2012 1:33:32 PM PST by carriage_hill
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To: Kartographer

Thanks for the great work and devotion to helping all of us Kartographer!! Wish there were more like you out there....especially near where I live in SC!!


4 posted on 03/10/2012 1:33:50 PM PST by 4everontheRight (And the story began with..."Once there was a great nation......")
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To: 4everontheRight

South Carolina! I would prefer sitting up shop there than the high and dry desert of New Mexico. Boy do I miss the South!


5 posted on 03/10/2012 1:37:11 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

All well in good until someone comes along and decides to take what you have.


6 posted on 03/10/2012 1:41:08 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

Well they might even kill me with my own gun, but they will have to beat me to death with it as there won’t be one round left for them to shoot.


7 posted on 03/10/2012 1:43:04 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

In my research a small community seems like the best model. Sure is tough finding one with the right people though.

The article raises some good points though.


8 posted on 03/10/2012 1:44:35 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Kartographer

Well!!!! Come on back...plenty of room...that is for the like minded folk!


9 posted on 03/10/2012 1:48:24 PM PST by 4everontheRight (And the story began with..."Once there was a great nation......")
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To: driftdiver

You do with what you have. You adapt you over come. Sure living in a little town full of preppers has the best chance, unless you are lucky or independently wealth such is very tough to find and make work. Who knows you getting your own land maybe the start of such a place. That’s basically what my plan is.


10 posted on 03/10/2012 1:49:09 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: 4everontheRight

If I hit the lotto maybe, but I’d be looking in the area where GA, NC, SC, and TN all come together.


11 posted on 03/10/2012 1:50:54 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

A large farm or range with like minded family and friends IS a prepper community.


12 posted on 03/10/2012 1:52:27 PM PST by tbw2
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To: Kartographer
Its another thing to have access to several acres of land, able to have chickens, a nice sized garden for a variety of fresh veggies, various types of fruit trees, access to fresh running water and access to land to hunt on. Maybe even have access to water to fish in.

For most, that's wishful thinking. Most don't have the $$$$ or they can't/won't relocate for various reasons such as jobs, schools, family, etc.

13 posted on 03/10/2012 1:54:51 PM PST by bgill (Romney & Obama are both ineligible. A non-NBC GOP prez shuts down all ?s on Obama's admin)
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To: bgill

Band together with those of like mind and start a refuge cut your cost share the work.


14 posted on 03/10/2012 2:00:07 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer
Don't neglect the value of a swimming pool if you have one. Keep chemicals and test kit for at LEAST 1 years...along with a good filer or two.

Spam. Tons of Spam. It's the most calorie-dense food you can stockpile.

Beans sealed in nitrogen. They sprout well...and then prevent scurvy.

NOTHING that you have to cook. Nothing.

You'll run out of energy...or attract zombies.

Plant your fruit tress now. Clear that 20 x 30 foot garden space NOW. Stock hand tools...old fashioned stuff of high quality. Keep two of everything.

And above ever water, have lots of weapons and ammo. You can't live past 3 days with water. Almost 3 months without food.

Less than 3 seconds without good weapons and the will to use them.

One other note for even urban and suburban residents: Little Dogs. Even Chihuahua. Their eyes, ears and snouts will save your life and they don't eat much. But they MUST EAT MEAT. They can scavenge many of the essentials from bugs and grass...but they must have meat.

No, not canned dog food unless it's of the highest quality. Buy very low sodium canned meat. It will keep for at least 10 years in sufficient quality to nourish your BEST FRIEND.

Man has not survived without dogs for at least 50,000 years and now some scholars are saying 250,000 years. There's a R E A S O N for that. Their loyalty and their senses. They can be indoors and hear a cat sneaking around across the street.

15 posted on 03/10/2012 2:27:56 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Mariner

Spam. Tons of Spam. It’s the most calorie-dense food you can stockpile.
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What about crisco?


16 posted on 03/10/2012 2:31:42 PM PST by Neidermeyer
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To: Kartographer
"..but I’d be looking in the area where GA, NC, SC, and TN all come together."

Same here.

Not miasmal swamp, year round surface water, pleasant weather, sparse population (relatively), fertile soil, gun friendly, few libs, a still here and there.

While waiting for TEOTWAWKI, some of those states have decent tax policies, especially if you're retired.

17 posted on 03/10/2012 2:32:42 PM PST by SnuffaBolshevik (In a tornado, even turkeys can fly.)
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To: Mariner

I thought that this would work in a pinch for our canine friends:

1/3 Boiled rice.

1/3 Vegetables (I’ve found green beans to work well.

1/3 Meat or eggs. Easy to but away extra powdered eggs of SHTF.


18 posted on 03/10/2012 2:44:58 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: SnuffaBolshevik
Oconee County, SC and Rabun County, GA would be very affordable, but they're too low, imho. Go on up the escarpment into NC and you hit resort and summer home territory, priced out of reach even still.

There are pockets where the locals live that aren't unreasonable, though. The real world always has to be somewhere nearby, for the people who keep it all running to reside. Rosman in Transylvania County, NC might work, no froufrou resort town at all, but it's very insular and not that welcoming to outsiders.

Just find a nice holler with a good creek, not too close or you'll get a flash flood next time the remnants of a hurricane stall out overhead. Only one way in and out, no through traffic would be helpful too. Such places are around, just seldom well known.

19 posted on 03/10/2012 2:52:09 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry

Thanks for the info, Reg.

I’m looking for a place where the Piedmont turns from flat to hilly - maybe a 20-40 acre place where I could raise a few steers if I wanted. Piss away some fuel in my little tractor.

As far as insular, I make it a point to mind my own business. My grandfather hopped a freight from eastern Kentucky to enlist in WW1 so I might still have the proper mindset. ;)


20 posted on 03/10/2012 3:18:21 PM PST by SnuffaBolshevik (In a tornado, even turkeys can fly.)
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To: Mariner
"Man has not survived without dogs for at least 50,000 years and now some scholars are saying 250,000 years. There's a R E A S O N for that. Their loyalty and their senses. They can be indoors and hear a cat sneaking around across the street. "

All excellent advice.

I have about a years supply of top-of-the-line dry dog food stored in very tightly controlled temperature and humidity conditions. And, you know, if things get really bad, I can eat that food too.

Anyway, click on my name to see my dogs.

21 posted on 03/10/2012 3:21:00 PM PST by blam
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To: SnuffaBolshevik

Try Henry Country, VA. Gently rolling east to foothills west, only one town of any note, Martinsville. Nice pastureland, dirt cheap. Caswell Country, NC, too.


22 posted on 03/10/2012 3:30:55 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: Mariner

Pool water isn’t a good source for drinking water. Most of the algaecides used in pools contains copper.


23 posted on 03/10/2012 3:37:23 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: SnuffaBolshevik

http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/Joshua-Rd_Rosman_NC_28772_M53423-48095

Good price for 15 acres remote lakefront vacant land in Rosman.


24 posted on 03/10/2012 3:39:49 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: Kartographer
thank God i have one twenty feet from my back door... and a creek ~100' away
25 posted on 03/10/2012 3:43:38 PM PST by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: RegulatorCountry

Pretty and cheaper than land here but how many snakes per acre?


26 posted on 03/10/2012 3:51:48 PM PST by bgill (Romney & Obama are both ineligible. A non-NBC GOP prez shuts down all ?s on Obama's admin)
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To: Kartographer

I live in suburban Tampa. Its not the best location but could be worse.

We would like to relocate out west. Love the idea of being in the mountains but can’t see how we can afford it. Second choice is somewhere in the TN, Kentucky, South Carolina areas. Population density in that area is still pretty high.


27 posted on 03/10/2012 3:54:59 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Kartographer

I wish you good luck then!!!


28 posted on 03/10/2012 3:56:40 PM PST by 4everontheRight (And the story began with..."Once there was a great nation......")
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To: Kartographer
I found the show to be interesting, but most people seem to be single-scenario preppers. The looniest one was the New England lady who wanted nothing to do with firearms. Does she really think no one will take her food at gunpoint when the SHTF?!

If the SHTF, city dwellers are pretty much screwed. Those with the best chance are those who are the farthest away from civilization who have planned for sustainable sources of food and water.

Personally, I believe in preparing for multiple contingencies. A powerful earthquake would just have me hunkering down in my house. A financial collapse that leads to widespread unrest would have me going remote to an area that would provide me with isolation, water, lots of game, fowl, and fish. Very doable in Alaska if you have an airplane.

29 posted on 03/10/2012 3:57:50 PM PST by AlaskaErik (I served and protected my country for 31 years. Progressives spent that time trying to destroy it.)
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To: Kartographer
Rice and vegetables combined should not exceed 33%.

Liver, fish oil, bone meal and un-cooked bones should be added.

Alfalfa pellets and sprouts when you can find them. Fozen Blueberries...chopped or pureed...2-3 tablespoons (1 teaspoon for a chihuahua) at least twice per week.

Access to the great outdoors for the other stuff.

Cod Liver oil, meat, and bone meal are almost a complete diet if they can roam the woods.

30 posted on 03/10/2012 4:04:17 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: Kartographer
If I hit the lotto maybe, but I’d be looking in the area where GA, NC, SC, and TN all come together.

We camp up there fairly regular...Warwoman WMA near Clayton. Very desolate....and plenty of fresh, clean, cold water.

31 posted on 03/10/2012 4:05:04 PM PST by Vigilantcitizen
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To: Neidermeyer
"What about crisco?"

Sure, but there's zero protein, minerals or vitamins in that.

Spam and grass (if chewed well) can keep you alive and healthy for at least two years.

32 posted on 03/10/2012 4:06:51 PM PST by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: AlaskaErik

“If the SHTF, city dwellers are pretty much screwed.”

I think thats a myth. Sure if you live in a high rise your chances will be slim. Otherwise the remote farmstead is highly vulnerable. Whether its the govt forcing you to relocate or looters seeking to steal what you have.

In a mad max scenerio it will take a small community working together to survive. In anything less there are advantages to living in areas more likely to receive aid or emergency resources.


33 posted on 03/10/2012 4:06:51 PM PST by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: bgill

I attended university nearby, and just don’t recall seeing all that many snakes, even during summers when I worked as a whitewater rafting guide on the Nantahala River.

The climate there is unusual for the east coast, a “thermal belt” with very mild temperate weather unless you’re well up the mountain, in which case you can find near alpine species and get a pretty decent annual snowfall. This makes the creeks, rivers and lakes cold, even though the climate is moderate in the valleys and hollers, warm instead of hot summers, mild winters with light snowfall.

Maybe that has something to do with it.


34 posted on 03/10/2012 4:16:39 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: driftdiver

I use only backing soda and chlorine for my pool 7646 gallons.


35 posted on 03/10/2012 4:33:14 PM PST by ronnie raygun (B B)
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To: bgill
"how many snakes per acre?"

Just look at them as fresh meat.
36 posted on 03/10/2012 4:36:59 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: SnuffaBolshevik

You got me looking at land, dang it, lol.

Here’s 24 acres in Caswell County, NC, less than 2k per acre. Looks like much of the timber has been cut over and sold in the past five years, some former ag fields that appear to be something that could be put back to productive use with a bush hog and a good plowing. Creek on the property, but it is on a through route, so it’s not as removed as I’d prefer if I were looking for this sort of thing.

All in all, you could do worse and pay more for it, it’s not an ugly piece of property, just your usual parcel of an older, larger farm.

http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/Nc-86-Highway_Yanceyville_NC_27379_M66435-64231


37 posted on 03/10/2012 4:45:38 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: RegulatorCountry

” Looks like much of the timber has been cut over and sold in the past five years, “

This isn’t the best news - in a long-term collapse situation, you’re gonna need a good-sized woodlot, since wood will be your only energy source for heating and cooking.. (Something to keep in mind when you outfit your house - wood-burning heating and cooking stoves are going to be more than cutesy household accents...)


38 posted on 03/10/2012 4:53:48 PM PST by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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To: Uncle Ike

The entire thing wasn’t cut over, and there were poplars and pines coming in about ffifteen feet tall or so. It’s servicable.

I just got to looking in areas I know to be very affordable, even cheap, as far as vacant land and have posted a few examples.

Here’s another and the last one I’ll post, Henry County, VA, town of Bassett, 23 acres for just over $1,000 per acre. You don’t find that every day in anyplace you’d actually want to live.

http://www.realtor.com/realestateandhomes-detail/2953-Riverside-Dr_Bassett_VA_24055_M65731-92039


39 posted on 03/10/2012 5:00:55 PM PST by RegulatorCountry
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To: bgill
Pretty and cheaper than land here but how many snakes per acre?

Snakes are a good source of protein.

40 posted on 03/10/2012 5:01:48 PM PST by Oztrich Boy (Paparazzi mob senior citizen mistaking her for Lindsay Lohan (True Story))
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To: Oztrich Boy

And are quite delicious...if not overcooked.


41 posted on 03/10/2012 5:14:54 PM PST by Vigilantcitizen
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To: Vigilantcitizen; bgill; RegulatorCountry; Oztrich Boy

Get you some Carolina Yellow Dogs. Snake problem solved.


42 posted on 03/10/2012 5:18:55 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer
"how many snakes per acre?" Just look at them as fresh meat.

Stuck here in Minnesota, there's too many months out of the year that snakes are hard to come by, and even in the summer they're small enough that I'd probably burn more calories cleaning them than I'd get from the meal.

Plenty of fish in the lake to eat though.

43 posted on 03/10/2012 5:35:23 PM PST by Wissa (Gone Galt)
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To: Kartographer
a nice sized garden for a variety of fresh veggies

Does anybody use the word "vegetable" anymore?

44 posted on 03/10/2012 7:26:32 PM PST by IDontLikeToPayTaxes
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To: Kartographer

And that’s the one thing I really need, but with things the way they are right now (financially) I don’t have the money to dig a well nor can I afford the manual pump....

This is the one thing that really weighs on my mind.


45 posted on 03/10/2012 7:58:46 PM PST by Shadowstrike (Be polite, Be professional, but have a plan to kill everyone you meet.)
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To: IDontLikeToPayTaxes

I do, but send you complaint to those who don’t, like the writer of the article.


46 posted on 03/10/2012 10:11:06 PM PST by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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