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Mormons call on Santorum to denounce Honorary Florida Chairman
San Francisco Chronicle ^ | 3/13/12 | Ben Barrack

Posted on 03/13/2012 7:57:54 AM PDT by Ben Barrack

Salt Lake City, UT (PRWEB) March 13, 2012

MormonVoices today called on Republican Presidential candidate Rick Santorum to condemn the anti-Mormon comments made by his supporter, and honorary Florida Chairman, Reverend O'Neal Dozier. The New York Daily News and multiple other media outlets have reported that Dozier proclaimed that the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints, commonly referred to as the Mormon Church, is racist and said that the Church "is prejudiced against Blacks, Jews and the Native American Indians." He therefore demanded that Republican Presidential Candidate Mitt Romney publicly "renounce his racist Mormon Religion." He claims that in so doing, he hopes "to foster and maintain good race relations here in America."

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To: Allon; Godzilla
Blacks have been Mormons since it’s founding, it was just a priesthood issue in till 78.

So, you're telling us that black women -- who aren't Mormon priests -- weren't effected by the priesthood ban pre-1978? Yes?

You're on record here saying "it was just a priesthood issue."

That would mean that there were then ZERO effects upon black women prior to 1978 re: Lds' theology, practices & policies? Right?

Your integrity is at stake here. You need to answer.

You've reduced this entire matter down to just "one solo" effect. Will you...
(a) Stand on that?
(b) Retract it & clarify?

41 posted on 03/13/2012 11:03:17 AM PDT by Colofornian ( Tell us: Why do we want to vote for ONE socialist to defeat ANOTHER socialist again?)
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To: Allon; Godzilla; Colofornian

essing from the Bigots: Black Mormons Become Slaves in Heaven

One such Mormon-”owned” slave was Jane Elizabeth Manning James—otherwise known among her Mormon friends and White overseers as “Aunt Jane.”

Aunt Jane was a faithful Black Mormon convert who worked in the household of Joseph and Emma Smith. After years of faithful belief and devotion to clean-up duty, she had the audacity to repeatedly petition the leaders of the Mormon Church to be sealed via temple endowment to her husband, but was denied her request by the Quorum of the Twelve.

Instead, she was made to settle for her White “owner,” Joseph Smith—as his slave for time and all eternity:

“The Territory of Utah gave up the practice of slavery along with the slave-holding states; however, the fact that they countenanced it when it was being practiced shows how insensitive they were to the feelings of black people. Even after the slaves were set free the Mormons continued to talk against blacks. In the year 1884, Angus M. Cannon said that ‘a colored man . . . is not capable of receiving the Priesthood, and can never reach the highest Celestial glory of the Kingdom of God.’ (’The Salt Lake Tribune,’ October 5, 1884)

“The idea that blacks were inferior and should only be servants to the whites persisted in Mormon theology. In fact, Mormon leaders seemed to feel that blacks would still be servants in heaven. On August 26, 1908, President Joseph F. Smith related that a black woman was sealed as a servant to Joseph Smith:

“’The same efforts he said had been made by Aunt Jane to receive her endowments and be sealed to her husband and have her children sealed to their parents and her appeal was made to all the Presidents from President Young down to the present First Presidency. But President Cannon conceived the idea that, under the circumstances, it would be proper to permit her to go to the temple to be adopted to the Prophet Joseph Smith as his servant and this was done. This seemed to ease her mind for a little while but did not satisfy her, and she still pleaded for her endowments.’ (’Excerpts From The Weekly Council Meetings Of The Quorum Of The Twelve Apostles,’ as printed in ‘Mormonism-Shadow or Reality?,’ p. 584).

“The idea that a black is only worthy of the position of a servant has deep roots in Mormon theology. Mark E. Petersen, . . . [former] Apostle in the church, once said that if a ‘Negro is faithful all his days, he can and will enter the celestial kingdom. He will go there as a servant, but he will get celestial glory.’ (’Race Problems-As They Affect The Church,’ a speech delivered at Brigham Young University, August 27, 1954).”

(Jerald and Sandra Tanner, “Changing the Anti-Black Doctrine,” Chapter 10, Part 1, in “The Changing World of Mormonism,” Utah Lighthouse Ministry, at:

Jane Elizabeth Manning James (1813-1908)—even in faith, a victim of Mormon bigotry, RIP:

“Jane Elizabeth Manning was born in Wilton, Connecticut, one of five children of Isaac and Phyllis Manning, a free black family. Although Jane was a member of the local Presbyterian Church, she remained spiritually unfulfilled until 1842 when she heard the message of a missionary for the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-day Saints . . . .

“Soon afterwards she joined the Mormon Church. One year following her conversion, Jane Elizabeth and several family members who had also converted decided to move to Nauvoo, Illinois, the headquarters of the Mormon Church. After traveling by boat to Buffalo, New York, the African American Mormons, unable to pay additional fares, began an eight-hundred-mile journey by foot to Nauvoo. In Nauvoo, Jane lived and worked in the home of Joseph Smith, Jr. the founder of the LDS Church and his wife, Emma.

“Following the 1844 murder of Joseph Smith, Jr. and his brother Hyrum in Carthage, Illinois, Mormon leaders under Brigham Young decided to abandon Nauvoo and look for a safe haven in the West away from forces hostile to the LDS Church.

“In the fall of 1847, Jane, her husband Isaac James whom she married in 1841, and two sons traveled across the plains to the new home of the LDS Church in the Salt Lake Valley. They were the first free black pioneers in the Mormon settlement and Jane would spend the remaining fifty-one years of her life in Utah. They shared the hardships of their fellow Mormons and engaged in the spirit of mutual aid and cooperation that characterized LDS pioneer life.

“By the 1880s Jane became increasingly concerned about her place in the afterlife. Well aware of the LDS Church’s proscriptions that prohibited blacks from full participation in the rituals that were prerequisite to being eligible for a place in the celestial kingdom, she nonetheless argued for an exemption because of her faith.

“’Is there no blessing for me?’ she asked Church leaders for more than a decade. Those leaders refused her requests. They attempted to pacify her by authorizing her limited participation in LDS rituals.

“Through it all, Jane Manning James remained a devout Mormon and is generally recognized in LDS history for her unwavering faith. Jane Manning James died in Salt Lake City in 1908.

“A special monument to her is located in the Salt Lake City Cemetery, close to her gravesite, to commemorate her life and faith.”

(Ronald G. Coleman, “’Is There No Blessing for Me?’: Jane Elizabeth Manning James, A Mormon African American Woman,” in Quintard Taylor and Shirley Ann Moore Wilson, eds., “African American Women Confront the West,” 1600-2000 [Norman, Oklahoma: University of Oklahoma Press 2003], at:

Ahhhhh, how sweetly described—and deceptively presented.

That “limited participation in LDS rituals,” as it is euphemistically described above, is more fully laid out on pp. 152-157 of Coleman’s biography of “Aunt Jane.” There it is painfully detailed how, despite her faithfulness—and only because of her so-called “cursed” race—she was relentlessly denied her personal plea for access to the Mormon temple for her own family sealing endowment.

The First Presidency also rejected her request to be adopted, via temple sealing, into the family of Joseph and Emma Smith, in whose home she faithfully worked as a servant.

The First Presidency eventually, out of the kindness of their white-and-delightsome hearts, did permit her to be eternally sealed to Joseph Smith as his servant.

(Tracking note: Google search “Ronald G. Coleman Manning.” Up will come “African American Women Confront the West, 1600-2000 -Google Books Result.” Click on that and Coleman’s article will appear).

More on the patronizing treatment she received from the Mormon Church:

” . . . [H]ave you wondered why Jane walked to Nauvoo? It was because white Mormons would not allow her to ride with them or assist her in paying for passage. And once she arrived in Nauvoo the Beautiful, that ‘Zion on the Mississippi,’ she was either rebuffed or ignored by her fellow Saints, until finally someone pointed out Joseph Smith’s home to her.

“Once she finally did meet Smith, he made Jane his house servant, and when Smith was murdered in 1844, Brigham Young then took in Jane James as his servant as well. Despite her faithful service to the church and its wealthy presidents, she lived most of her life in abject poverty.

“She arrived in the new Zion of Utah among the first of the Saints in September 1847, the first free black woman in the territory, only to find that slavery was already being practiced there. Mormon Apostle Charles C. Rich owned slaves in Utah, which must have been a great trial of her faith. The only Western State or Territory to practice slavery was Utah.

“She wished to be ‘sealed’ to her loved ones for all eternity just like the white-skinned members of the congregation were allowed to be. For all of her sacrifice, the highest eternal blessing the Mormon church could offer Joseph Smith’s former house servant was to ‘seal’ her to Joseph Smith as his servant forever.

“The words recited at this ceremony were that she was ‘to be attached as a Servitor for eternity to the prophet Joseph Smith and in this capacity be connected with his family and be obedient to him in all things in the Lord as a faithful Servitor.’

“In essence, an eternal slave, bound to service a white master for eternity.”

(For more on this final above account, along with a photograph of Jane Manning, see: “Nauvoo Pageant 2007: Just Who is Jane Manning?,” in “Mormon Home Evening: Official Blog of Mormon Missions Midwest Outreach,” 17 July 2007, at:


42 posted on 03/13/2012 11:28:57 AM PDT by AnTiw1 ("Where Liberty is, there is my country.")
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To: Godzilla

Ask Newt, maybe he would like to respond.

43 posted on 03/13/2012 11:45:50 AM PDT by Eva
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To: Eva

Newt hasn’t been running for Theologian of the United States.

44 posted on 03/13/2012 11:47:43 AM PDT by Toespi
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To: Eva

I don’t need to - you are the one who seems to have their underware in a knot regarding the issue.

45 posted on 03/13/2012 11:49:47 AM PDT by Godzilla (3/7/77)
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To: Godzilla

Nah, I think it’s a silly issue. Santorum should not respond.

46 posted on 03/13/2012 11:51:36 AM PDT by Eva
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Comment #47 Removed by Moderator

Let he who is without sin cast the first stone.

48 posted on 03/13/2012 12:06:29 PM PDT by Allon
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To: Eva

That may be, but he is Chair of the Florida Santorum Campaign. Frankly, I could care less about this specific issue, but it’s stunning you would pretend not to know why they called for it. Why couldn’t you fight it with adult logic instead of pretending that Newt is NOT a Catholic and pretending this guy has no ties to Santorum.

You could do quite well on this particular argument on the merits, but you chose a route more brain dead than the original issue.

49 posted on 03/13/2012 12:06:45 PM PDT by C. Edmund Wright
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To: Allon; Ben Barrack
The Southern Baptist Convention broke away for the Northern Convention specifically to fight for and preserve slavery. His chosen “faith” was a big instigator of the KKK movement. It wasn’t until 1995 that the SBC apologized for slavery.

#1 the Mormon church hasn't apologized for anything...only denounce racism (as if it was mere unnamed individuals within its time frame holding accountable of any specific people making specific statements...pointing a nebulous fingers @ others is not repenting for anything).

#2 Please show us a specific Southern Baptist 19th century racist who claimed to be a DI-rect mouthpiece for God? Anything they uttered was a mere opinion; that can't be said for the gobs of racist passages still extant in Mormonism's D&C 134:12; the Book of Mormon, and the Pearl of Great Price. Except for 2 Nephi 30:6, which the Mormons changed for unknown reasons in 1981 (unknown reasons other than PRness), Lds can't easily scrub its racism from its "sacred" books.

[ALL: You can look @ Tennessee Nana's post re: racist phrases in the Book of Mormon -- Book of Mormon racism

Whatever 19th century Baptist sermons or calls to split you can point to that were racist in nature were never revelations from God -- nor did anybody pretend them to be.

But when you have Mormon "prophets" and "apostles" speaking, the Mormon people have ALWAYS billed them as "living/ongoing seers and revelators" from the Mormon gods.

So stop your wholesale reductionism going on in this thread, Allon. The issue here isn't the mere "opinions" of men...for men always offer up wretched opinions of one sort or another.

The issue is -- which speakers claimed to be speaking the very voice of God on this issue?

You're certainly free to quote some Baptists doing that...but I forecast "crickets" on that one...As for Mormon leadership racism...well, everybody can look here:

Curse of Cain? Racism in the Mormon Church Part Three [Martin Luther King & Malcolm X 'Mormons?']

50 posted on 03/13/2012 12:07:24 PM PDT by Colofornian ( Tell us: Why do we want to vote for ONE socialist to defeat ANOTHER socialist again?)
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To: Allon; Godzilla
Your citation of KKK "theology"...hey, even Mormons claim to be "Christian" -- including a few Lds bishops, a stake president & a counselor amongst dozens of other Mormons slaughtered 120 children, moms & dads in the original 9/11 terrorist act in this you think counterfeit Christianity is "new"...

By your logic, since Mormons claim to be "Christians," Christianity is also responsible for the Mountain Meadows Massacre.

Sick logic.

51 posted on 03/13/2012 12:11:37 PM PDT by Colofornian ( Tell us: Why do we want to vote for ONE socialist to defeat ANOTHER socialist again?)
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To: Allon; Colofornian

For starters, I’m not SBC. I am further not KKK.

“Thirteenth – ‘Are the Mormons abolitionists?’ No, unless delivering the people from priestcraft, and the priests from the power of Satan, should be considered abolition. But we do not believe in setting the negroes free.”
- Prophet Joseph Smith, Jr., History of the Church, v.3, p. 29

“We must not inter-marry with the Negro. Why? If I were to marry a Negro woman and have children by her, my children would oil be cursed as to the priesthood. Do I want my children cursed as to the priesthood? If there is one drop of Negro blood in my children, as I have read to you, they receive the curse. There isn’t any argument, therefore, as to inter-marriage with the Negro, is there?”
- Apostle Mark E. Peterson, “Race Problems – As They Effect the Church,” Address given at the Convention of Teachers of Religion on the College Level, delivered at BYU, August 27, 1954

Negroes in this life are denied the priesthood; under no circumstances can they hold this delegation of authority from the Almighty. The gospel message of salvation is not carried affirmatively to them.... Negroes are not equal with other races where the receipt of certain spiritual blessings are concerned...”
- Apostle Bruce R. McConkie, Mormon Doctrine, p. 477, 1958

“I want to talk to you a little bit now about something that is not missionary work, and what I say is NOT to be given to your investigators [potential converts] by any matter of means.... Why is it that you are white and not colored?.. God is not unjust to cause a righteous spirit to be born as a cursed member of the black race.”
- LDS European Mission president, Alvin R. Dyer, “For What Purpose?,” Missionary Conference in Oslo, Norway, March 18, 1961, printed in The Negro in Mormon Theology, pp. 48-58

Christianity today has and continues to repudiate racists like the kkk. Mormonism has yet to even apologize for its racist history and doctrine. Apparently you are proud of your mormon racist history.

52 posted on 03/13/2012 12:11:58 PM PDT by Godzilla (3/7/77)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Is Newt a Catholic? I, frankly don’t care about religion this time around. There are just too many other issues on the table.

53 posted on 03/13/2012 12:19:22 PM PDT by Eva
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To: Allon; Godzilla; AnTiw1; All
Blacks have been Mormons since it’s founding, it was JUST A PRIESTHOOD ISSUE in till 78.

ALL: OK, I gave Allon an opportunity to clarify this...he hasn't.

Allow me to use this then as an opportunity for you to see how Mormon apologists trade in deception.

What did Allon do here:


Allon the Mormon engaged in reductionism: He reduced the issue to only effecting black men...[Mormons regularly reduce the victims involved so that they don't have to answer to consequences for their actions and that of their relatives & spiritual forefathers]

Since women can't hold the priesthood, he passed right over the impact of Mormon theology, practices & policies on them.

Antiw1 in post #42 gave an example of some of the impact of Mormonism's racism upon a black woman living in the midst of Mormons. And, mind you, we are NOT talking about racism as practiced by individuals -- but openly sanctioned institutional racism whereby men say this is God's direct revelational "say" about blacks, etc.


Could non-white women be married in the Mormon temple pre-1978? (NO!)


It was more "than just a priesthood issue" -- and Allon the Mormon should know this even by reading his own Doctrine & Covenants & past statements from his leaders. So a third example is that Mormons deliberately withheld what they believed to be the "gospel" from non-whites.

Proof (excerpt from Curse of Cain? Racism in the Mormon Church Part Three [Martin Luther King & Malcolm X 'Mormons?']:

While there was no restriction on blacks joining the LDS Church, there was no direct effort to evangelize them. Apostle Bruce McConkie, writing in 1958, declared: Negroes in this life are denied the priesthood; under no circumstances can they hold this delegation of authority from the Almighty. The gospel message of salvation is not carried affirmatively to them . . . Negroes are not equal with other races where the receipt of certain spiritual blessings are concerned . . . (Mormon Doctrine, by Bruce McConkie, Bookcraft, 1958 edition, p. 477; changed in later editions). William E. Berrett, Vice Administrator of the Brigham Young University, explained: " direct efforts have been made to proselyte among them" (Mormonism and the Negro, by John J. Stewart, supplement by William E. Berrett, Horizon, 1978, part 2, p. 65).

If Allon would open up Doctrine & Covenants 134:12, what does he find there? [Btw, D&C 134 is still regularly cited by Mormon leaders...they just tend to skip over v. 12):

”We believe it just to preach the gospel to the nations of the earth, and warn the righteous to save themselves from the corruption of the world; but we do not believe it right to interfere with bond-servants, NEITHER PREACH THE GOSPEL TO, NOR BAPTIZE THEM contrary to the will and wish of their masters, nor to meddle with or INFLUENCE THEM IN THE LEAST OR CAUSE THEM TO BE DISSATISFIED WITH THEIR SITUATIONS IN THIS LIFE, thereby jeopardizing the lives of men; such interference we believe to be unlawful and unjust, and dangerous to the peace of every government allowing human beings to be held in servitude.” [Still on-the-books Mormon "scripture" -- D&C 134:12]

This passages makes it quite clear – in contrast to the apostle Paul who vied for the religious freedom of Onesimus while treating him as a full Christian brother and encouraged Philemon to do the same--somehow, LDS think that "religious freedom" applies to everyone except slaves!

D&C 134:12, written in 1835 pro-slavery America, made it quite clear that instead of the Mormons having a universal god who issued eternal truth applicable to all cultures, he is instead an American-sounding god who speaks only in King James English & was beholden to the American slavery industry.

D&C 134:12 "settles" the issue for the Mormon: Are slaves & trafficking victims worthy of the "gospel?" LDS Answer? Nope! "neither preach the gospel to, nor baptize them..." says LDS "Scripture.

And why not? Well, says D&C 134:12: We don't want ya ta meddle with the Mastuhs' business “property,” or to say it as precisely as LDS "scripture" says it: "nor to meddle with or influence them in the least to cause them to be dissatisfied with their situations in this life..."

(Nah. We can't have unhappy slaves or trafficking victims now, can we? Too disturbing to their "stations" of life, eh?)


Could non-whites -- women or men -- get temple recommends prior to 1978? (NO!) In fact, one of the reasons weighing upon Spencer Kimball (Lds "prophet" who rescinded the policies -- but NOT Mormon "scripture" on race in 1978) was the forthcoming opening of a temple in Brazil...he knew all about the mixed-race history of many in that country.

The virtual "no blacks allowed" on Mormon temple doors clearly communicated a message to non-whites that "WHITE families are forever" -- the bumper sticker you see on Mormon cars.

You see, only Mormons with temple recommends are "eligible" for the highest degree of Mormon glory...only THEY get to become "gods" ... and only THEY get to live with family members say Mormon leaders.

This shows that despite Allon's claims, it "wasn't just a priesthood issue."


All of these examples above carried all kinds of theological and sociological and just plain sinful demeanor & impact up & down the Lds church!!!

I now openly question the intellectual integrity of Allon the Mormon reductionist. His credibility is highly suspect.

54 posted on 03/13/2012 12:47:28 PM PDT by Colofornian ( Tell us: Why do we want to vote for ONE socialist to defeat ANOTHER socialist again?)
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To: Godzilla; Allon; Colofornian

Noted African-American theologian and author calls out Mitt Romney on the Book ofMormon’s embedded doctrinal racism
by steve benson Jan 2011

Obery M. Hendricks, Jr., Ph.D “Yet I must admit that there is something about Mitt Romney’s religion that I find deeply troubling, particularly in light of the possibility that he could become the next president of this nation. What concerns me is this: the Book of Mormon, the book that Mitt Romney and all Mormons embrace as divinely revealed scripture that is more sacred, more true, and more inerrant than any other holy book on earth, declares that black people are cursed. That’s right. Cursed. [Native Americans are cursed in the Book of Mormon and Blacks are cursed in the Pearl of Great Price - another Mormon book of scripture]

And not only accursed, but lazy and aesthetically ugly to boot.

Obery M. Hendricks, Jr., Ph.D.—author, affiliated scholar at the Center for American Progress, trustee of the Public Religion Research Institute and Professor of Biblical Interpretation at New York Theological Seminary and Visiting Scholar in both the Department of Religion and the Institute for Research in African American Studies at Columbia University—writes the following in his article, “Mitt Romney and the Curse of Blackness”:

“When it comes to others’ choice of religions, I’m pretty much a live-and-let-live guy. In fact, I don’t believe in religious litmus tests of any kind. Frankly, I think they are self-righteous and insulting.

“I’m not talking about ascribed racism such as we see in Christianity, in which racist meanings are attributed to certain verses of the Bible that actually contain no such meanings, as with the Gen. 9:25 cursing of Canaan (not Ham!) which, though used as ‘proof’ of black wickedness and inferiority, in actuality has nothing to do with race.

“And no, I’m not talking about a single ambiguous, cherry-picked verse, either. I’d much rather that were the case. The sad truth is that the Book of Mormon says it explicitly and in numerous passages: black people are cursed by God and our dark skin is the evidence of our accursedness. Here are a few examples: [correction it refers to native Americans - but the concept is the same. Skin color is a measure of righteousness]

—”’And the Lord had caused the cursing to come upon them, yea, even a sore cursing, because of their iniquity. For behold, they had hardened their hearts against him, that they had become like unto a flint; wherefore, as they were white, and exceedingly fair and delightsome, that they might not be enticing unto my people the Lord God did cause a skin of blackness to come upon them (2 Nephi 5:21).’

—”’And I beheld, after they had dwindled in unbelief they became a dark and loathsome and a filthy people, full of idleness and all manner of abominations (1 Nephi 12:23).’

—”’O my brethren, I fear that unless ye shall repent of your sins that their skins will be whiter than yours, when ye shall be brought with them before the throne of God. (Jacob 3:8).’

—”’And the skins of the Lamanites were dark, according to the mark which was set upon their fathers, which was a curse upon them because of their transgression and their rebellion against their brethren, who consisted of Nephi, Jacob, and Joseph, and Sam, who were just and holy men (Alma 3: 6).’

“It would have been infinitely more righteous if Mormons had relegated the sentiments of these verses to the scriptural sidelines of their faith, but the historical record tells us otherwise. Joseph Smith, Jr., the founder of Mormonism, repeatedly ordered his Church to uphold all slavery laws.

“Although Smith had a change of heart toward the end of his life, his successor, Brigham Young, did not. Young instituted social and ecclesiastical segregation as the Church’s official policies, thus excluding people of black African descent from priesthood ordination and full participation in temple ceremonies, regardless of their actual skin color.

“Moreover, Brigham Young, whom Mormons revere almost equally with Smith, proved to the end of his life to be a brutal white supremacist who fervently supported the continued enslavement of African Americans; he was so convinced of black accursedness that he declared that if any Mormon had sex with a person of color, ‘the penalty, under the law of God, is death on the spot.’

“The Book of Mormon’s teaching of the accursedness and, therefore, the inferiority of blacks—if blacks are cursed, then by definition they are inferior to the divinely acceptable whites—was reaffirmed by numerous Mormon leaders for a century and a half.

“As late as 1969, even after the Civil Rights Movement had dismantled de jure segregation throughout the land, David O. McKay, then president and ‘living prophet’ of Mormonism, still publicly justified its segregationist policies by declaring that ‘the seeming discrimination by the Church toward the Negro . . . goes back into the beginning with God.’

“Now, some will argue that I should dismiss the codified racism of the Book of Mormon as the unfortunate folklore of a bygone era because of the 1978 revelation by Spencer W. Kimball, the Church’s president and ‘living prophet’ at that time, that after a century and a half black males were finally un-accursed enough to fully participate in Mormonism’s priesthood and sacred temple ceremonies.

“However, even if we ignore the suspiciously coincidental timing of this ‘revelation’ (it conveniently appeared when the Church’s federal tax-exempt status was imperiled by its racial policies), an attentive reading reveals that Kimball’s proclamation did not in any way address the question of whether or not the Church still considered the Book of Mormon’s assertions of black inferiority to be divinely authorized.

“In fact, the specific contents of Kimball’s revelation were never made public. Nor has the Church ever disavowed the Book’s white supremacist passages or the past racist practices and pronouncements of its leaders.

“What makes this all the more problematic for me is that at no time has Mitt Romney ever publicly indicated that he seriously questioned the divine inspiration of the Book of Mormon’s teachings about race, much less that he has repudiated them.

“It is true that in a 2008 ‘Meet the Press’ interview with the late Tim Russert, Romney did vigorously assert his belief in equal rights for all Americans in every facet of life. As part of that narrative, he cited his parents’ “tireless” advocacy for blacks’ civil rights, including the dramatic exit of his father, Michigan Governor George Romney, from the 1964 Republican convention as a protest against nominee Barry Goldwater’s racial politics.

“He also shared that he wept when he learned of Spencer Kimball’s aforementioned revelation. Yet from Romney’s remarks it is not clear whether he wept for joy because Mormonism was eschewing its segregationist policies or if he wept from relief that the announcement promised to quiet the public outrage that those policies were causing.

“And significantly, while he recited his parents’ efforts to confront racial injustice, Mitt Romney pointed to no such activities of his own.

“But let me be clear: this is not a ‘gotcha’ political ploy. In all honesty, I am neither saying nor implying in the slightest that Mitt Romney is a racist. I simply do not know that to be the case. Nor do I mean to overlook the racial progress that the Mormon Church has made in the last several decades.

“What I do mean to say is:

“—1) that Americans of goodwill owe it to ourselves not to turn a blind eye to the possible implications of the white supremacist legacy of candidate Romney’s religious tradition, no matter how noble our intentions; and

“—2) that Mitt Romney himself owes it to America to address the issue.

“Why? Because Romney was tutored into adulthood by a holy book that declares that all Americans like me are cursed by God. And he is not only a believer; he has served as a leader in his faith.

“This is indeed a crucial point for consideration because, as this nation has seen time and time again, the inevitable consequence of America’s policy-makers considering people of color as inferior to whites is that blacks’ social and material interests have also been considered inferior—and quite often treated that way.

“I admit that this question of religion and racism is quite complicated and I don’t claim to have all the answers. But I do know that recognizing the equal rights of black Americans under the law, while of paramount importance, is not the same as recognizing our intellectual capabilities and moral character as inherently equal to whites.

“And I am aware of one thing more: that when Tim Russert invited Romney to repudiate his Church’s racist legacy on Meet the Press, Romney refused.

“That is why, Mr. Romney, as an American citizen whose president you seek to become, I must insist that you honestly and forthrightly attest to me and all Americans of goodwill that you actually can be my president, too, fully and completely.

“You can accomplish this by publicly disavowing the portions of your holy book that so sorely denigrate the humanity of me, my loved ones and all people of black African descent.

“It is incumbent that you do this, candidate Romney, for the sake of all Americans.”

55 posted on 03/13/2012 12:48:54 PM PDT by AnTiw1 ("Where Liberty is, there is my country.")
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To: AnTiw1; Allon; All
From the article you cited: “What I do mean to say is: “—1) that Americans of goodwill owe it to ourselves not to turn a blind eye to the possible implications of the white supremacist legacy of candidate Romney’s religious tradition, no matter how noble our intentions; and “—2) that Mitt Romney himself owes it to America to address the issue.''

And to not just single out Mitt Romney, we as Americans of goodwill owe it to our nation to the possible implications of white supremacy of the Mormon religious tradition...and we need to ask not only Mitt Romney to address the issue, but grassroots Mormon neighbors like Allon.

So, without YOU, Allon, say that the statements cited in the Book of Mormon scriptures as just excerpted by AnTiw1 -- found in 2 Nephi 5:21, 1 Nephi 12:23, Jacob 3:8 and Alma 3:6 -- is the very "revelation" of God? Do you testify to these verses that they are the "truth" applicable to all men?

Do you likewise adhere to Doctrine & Covenants 134 in its entirety? Is this "scriptural revelation" fully binding upon Mormons today?

56 posted on 03/13/2012 12:58:32 PM PDT by Colofornian ( Tell us: Why do we want to vote for ONE socialist to defeat ANOTHER socialist again?)
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To: Colofornian; Godzilla; Allon

according to mormon theology

black mormons pre-1978 who died without the masonic temple rituals performed on them, to enter the celestial kingdom,

would instead enter the telestial kingdom, where good people like Gandhi and Mother Teresa go, righteous people who didn’t earn the temple hokey pokey that makes them’s described to mormons as being earthlike, but like a big slum area...not heavenlike...only the celestial kingdom is heaven as Christians use the term

and it’s said that the people who were mormons but didn’t et their temple recommend (tr) or were black and forbidden from the temple ceremonies, these most worthy in all the telestial kingdom would be allowed to become servants or “ministering angels” to their mormon betters for all eternity

in other words, all the black mormons are slaves in the mormon heaven, according to mormon belief...joseph smith himself started the practice with a black mormon woman who was a servant of his, she was not admitted to be sealed in the temople ceremonies, instead js sealed her as his bondservant to him for all eternity...

i just wonder if any of the civil rights represeatives know that the most righteous of their passed on relatives are supposedly being baptized by mormons in proxy for the sake of their souls...but also that mormon doctrine states they are meant for no better than to be slaves on a higher plantation AGAIN owned by the white man...

but they make such cute commercials, and their missionaries are so clean cut.

57 posted on 03/13/2012 1:33:15 PM PDT by AnTiw1 ("Where Liberty is, there is my country.")
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New thread -- just up: Mormon Racism as doctrine, not merely folklore or tradition
58 posted on 03/13/2012 1:48:00 PM PDT by Colofornian ( Tell us: Why do we want to vote for ONE socialist to defeat ANOTHER socialist again?)
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To: Bainbridge

Maybe you're a Mormon, maybe you're not ...

"The Best They've Got ?"

I AM NOT a Mormon, yet I know good, decent people that are, including my neighbor John and Family ...

But, friend ... I "cringe" for what's about to happen to the Joe-Six-Pack perception of the (otherwise Anti-Christ) Mormon faith ..

Rest assured, the Drive-By Liberal News Media ...

who are "deliberately" holding their fire on Mitt Romney ...

have planned for him ... and the rest of Mormonism ...

the absolute "hell fire" of a Stalizist-Nazi Propaganda war that would make Gobbels weep ... in shame ...

Who was supposedly a "major factor" in defeating California Gay Marriage ... a couple of years back ...

The Church of LDS ...

And Mormons will pay the "blood vengance" price for the "anti-faggot" campaign ... in ways Mormons do not yet TRULY understand ...

Have you ever read of the "Battle of Cannae" ... where Hannibel encircled and slaughtered 80,000 of Rome's Best in a single day ?

The Liberal Media will be advocating that (otherwise innocent) Mormon children committ suicide for their parents' grevious" War Crimes Against Hummanity ...

Are you naive enough to think that the OWS protests will "only" be at the Tampa GOP Convention ... bloody riots, as it were ?

No ... my friend ... Mormon churches (on Sunday after Sunday) will be picketed, some will be burned ...

And then ... "magically" ... some (Obama-Axelrod-campaign-planted "former Mormon" will kill a faggot somewhere ...

Was the "good man" provoked by the faggot ?

Of course ...

Did the faggot insult the good moral honor of the man's wife and daughters, and (laughingly) threaten to seduce and sodimze his sons ?

Of course, "all on script" ... just like the movie "Wag The Dog" ...

BUT you'll never hear "that" on Fox News or Matt Drudge ...

All you (and 2.5 billion other Earth inhabitants) will hear about is the "viscious" hate crime against humannity ...

If I was a practicing Mormon ... the LAST thing I would ever want is "Mitt Romney" as a POTUS candidate ...

59 posted on 03/13/2012 3:32:50 PM PDT by Patton@Bastogne (Newt Gingrich and Sarah Palin in 2012 !)
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To: annieokie

The Anti-Christ Liberal Main-Stream-Media wants to FORCE "Christians" to accept the BLASPHEMY of Mormonism and Islam ....


There's a BIG difference between "Protestant vs. Catholic" theology ...

versus "Christian vs. Mormon" theology ...

Mormonism is really just a COMBINATION of Islam and Scientology ... they BOTH believe ...

1) Abraham and Christ "just good 'ol boys" ...

2) Multiple Wives are OK (wink, wink, fellas !)

3) We’re all just "Celestial Gods" in waiting ... for that "special" M-Class planet that "god" (whoever the heck is) has reserved for us ...

4) Drum Roll ....

4-A) Mormons, Scientologists and Islamics AGREE that Jesus Christ is just a "good guy" ... Christ DID NOT resuurect from the dead, and he is NOT the Sacrificial Lamb of God, who sits Perfect, Righteous and the right hand of God the Father ...
Mormons and Scientolgists and Islamics DO NOT believe that ...

"There is No Other name under heaven whereby men can be saved, except Jesus Christ"

4-B) Christ, whose shed blood on Calvary's cross is the Biblical atonement for Mankind's sins and transgressions ... against a holy eternal YAHWEH who is the "Uncreated Creator" ...

Myself, Billy Graham, James Dobson, Martin Luther, St. Augustine, Newt Gingich, Chuck Swindoll, Rick Santorum, Mother Theresa ... all believe 4-B ... hence we are "Christians" ...

Mormon "Archbishop Willard Romney" believes 4-A ... hence he is NOT a "Christian" ...

… any more than Buddha, Socrates, Neistche, Mohammed, L. Ron Hubbard ... or that fraud "prophet" Joseph Smith ... who sits today ... burning in Hell's Eternal Fire ...



Again ... the Anti-Christ Liberal Main-Stream-Media wants to FORCE "Christians" to accept the BLASPHEMY of Mormonism and Islam ....


Would you vote for a (practicing) "Islamic" to U.S. President ?

"No" ... you reply ...

Would you vote for a (practicing) "Scientologist" to U.S. President ?

"No" ... you reply ...

THEN WHY ... would you vote for a (practicing) "Mormon" to U.S. President ?


We live in America ... and every U.S. Citizen of every RELIGIOUS FAITH ....

has the Constitutional Right to vote for WHOEVER they please ...

be they Atheists, Pagans, Wiccans, Baptists, Catholics, Buddhists, Mormons ... whatever ...


However ... I REFUSE TO ACCEPT the Nazi-Style Propaganda that "Mormon Archbishop Willard Romney" is a Christian ... under ANY circumstances !

What say "you" ?????

Who will stand with me, as I stand with Christ ... today ?


60 posted on 03/13/2012 3:34:20 PM PDT by Patton@Bastogne (Newt Gingrich and Sarah Palin in 2012 !)
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