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Grime Wave: Tide Detergent Thefts Sky Rocket; Masses Turn to Black Market For Essential Goods
SHTF Plan ^ | 3/14/12 | Mac Slavo

Posted on 03/14/2012 3:17:13 PM PDT by Kartographer

With real unemployent approaching 25% of the population, 50 million Americans on food stamps, and the prices of essential goods rising every month, it’s no surprise that black market peddlers are turning to new product offerings to make a buck.

In What Is Money When the System Collapses? we highlighted some items that would take the place of traditional currency in the event of a catastrophic financial and economic collapse – things like food, fuel, firearms and footwear.

But for many, the world as they know it has already collapsed. Unable to afford retail prices for home essentials, these people will do what they need to in order to survive, and that includes the bartering and exchange of goods similar to what will happen in a complete economic meltdown. As Brandon Smith of Alt-Market recently pointed out, when the totalitarians squeeze the masses, those rebelling against the system because they have been left with no other choice will turn to the free (black) market to make ends meet.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Society
KEYWORDS: beprepared; food; getreadyhereitcomes; preparations; preparenow; prepperping; selfreliance; shtf; shtfplan; survivalping; tide
I thought this really tells the story of what we are approaching:

So long as the economic situation in America continues to deteriorate, these black markets will continue to expand. This is exactly what happened in crumbling economies of the East Block, where cigarettes, alcohol, food and Western goods became hot commodities in underground circles.

This, and the crime that will come with it, is an inevitable outcome of a nation that has bit off more than it can chew.

1 posted on 03/14/2012 3:17:17 PM PDT by Kartographer
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To: appalachian_dweller; OldPossum; DuncanWaring; VirginiaMom; CodeToad; goosie; kalee; ...

Preppers PING!!!


2 posted on 03/14/2012 3:18:41 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

This is an internet fake story


3 posted on 03/14/2012 3:22:08 PM PDT by q_an_a (the more laws the less justice)
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To: Kartographer
Tide is pretty bulky for an item to steal. It's not something you can just slip into your pocket or under your shirt. Other than throwing a bunch of bottles into the cart and just walking out knowing the store isn't going to give chase, how you you steal enough of it to make a living?
4 posted on 03/14/2012 3:25:47 PM PDT by KarlInOhio (You only have three billion heartbeats in a lifetime.How many does the government claim as its own?)
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To: q_an_a

And you base this on?

I stick by it until you prove it fake. Mean while you may want to review some of these stories:

http://news.google.com/news/more?hl=en&gl=us&q=tide+thief&um=1&ie=UTF-8&ncl=dlmWX7hk-xinenMlaGvDNn56-UIsM&ei=YxphT8yfOOjg2QWjyrWICA&sa=X&oi=news_result&ct=more-results&resnum=1&ved=0CDIQqgIwAA


5 posted on 03/14/2012 3:26:57 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: q_an_a
This is an internet fake story

Really?

6 posted on 03/14/2012 3:27:47 PM PDT by upchuck (Where others hold a window into the world, nobama holds a mirror. h/t - Don Surber)
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To: Kartographer

Why would you use it for prepping, i mean clean clothing is one of the last things that will be vital after a complete collapse.

It’s other uses may be better in terms of dealing with tweaked out bands of gangs from the innner cities and having it may make you a big ol’ target.

Better not to have it at all.


7 posted on 03/14/2012 3:29:14 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: KarlInOhio

Seems a Minnesota man stole about $25,000 worth of the liquid laundry detergent from a West St. Paul Wal-Mart.

Police: Man Steals $25,000 Worth Of Tide Laundry Detergent

http://kaaltv.com/article/stories/S2535244.shtml?cat=10217


8 posted on 03/14/2012 3:30:16 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: q_an_a

I guess the security video was faked as well?

http://kaaltv.com/article/stories/S2535244.shtml?cat=10217


9 posted on 03/14/2012 3:32:42 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: GraceG

As the article points out FOR BARTER.


10 posted on 03/14/2012 3:33:28 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: KarlInOhio

KarlInOhio, that is about what is done with cigarettes. A carton of cigarettes is pretty bulky as well, so instead of throwing a bunch of Cigs in a cart and walking out, they steal the entire truck and drive off. Think out of the box brother.


11 posted on 03/14/2012 3:41:09 PM PDT by midway1 (Inside every liberal is an American trying to get out)
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To: q_an_a
This is an internet fake story

Really?
12 posted on 03/14/2012 3:45:35 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Time to beat the swords of government tyranny into the plowshares of freedom.)
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To: midway1; KarlInOhio

And LOT more people wash their clothes than smoke cigarettes. Also at most stores security is a hell of a lot tighter on cigarettes than laundry soap. Doesn’t and one remember the big Enfamil rings that were busted just a few years back?


13 posted on 03/14/2012 3:46:40 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

No soap detergent when I was little. How well I remember mother shaving slivers from a large bar of yellow laundry soap into a big wash boiler on our wood stove. When it melted, she would bail the boiling water into our electric washing machine(a real luxury). Probably can’t buy this bar soap any more.


14 posted on 03/14/2012 4:04:01 PM PDT by upcountry miss
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To: Kartographer

What’s so special about Tide?


15 posted on 03/14/2012 4:09:54 PM PDT by PUGACHEV
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To: PUGACHEV

Well known was the best guess. You know what you get.

If you got a choice of buying cheap black market would you buy no mane brand laundry soap or Tide?


16 posted on 03/14/2012 4:34:56 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: PUGACHEV

Nothing cleans up the track like Tide:

http://content.usatoday.com/communities/gameon/post/2012/03/first-look-tide-looks-to-clean-up-on-daytona-product-placement-procter-38-gamble-daytona-500/1#.T2EsJfX7Txg


17 posted on 03/14/2012 4:41:16 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: upcountry miss
No soap detergent when I was little. How well I remember mother shaving slivers from a large bar of yellow laundry soap into a big wash boiler on our wood stove. When it melted, she would bail the boiling water into our electric washing machine(a real luxury). Probably can’t buy this bar soap any more.

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You can buy bar laundry soap in the Philippines ,, people tend to rub it into the dirty spots and then do the tub/washboard thing ...


18 posted on 03/14/2012 5:09:30 PM PDT by Neidermeyer
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To: Neidermeyer

Man, that stuff tasted terrible too...&*%$#@!!!!


19 posted on 03/14/2012 5:13:17 PM PDT by GRRRRR (He'll NEVER be my President, FUBO! Treason is the Reason! Impeach the Kenyan)
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To: Kartographer
I don't think people recognize that the collapse is now. The black markets are symptomatic. I think in a couple years people will be writing about today. They will be asking why no one was seeing it happen.

I am certain that the time is running out for prepping. We will be moving into the next stage shortly when all the patches and social band aides come undone.

For the past 13 years I have taken a measured approach to prepping. I had a plan. Sadly, I will need to accelerate my final preps now.
20 posted on 03/14/2012 5:17:41 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Time to beat the swords of government tyranny into the plowshares of freedom.)
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To: PA Engineer

It’s caused by Normalcy Bias. ChocChipCookie had a good article on her blog about sometime back:

Normalcy Bias: It’s All in Your Head

http://thesurvivalmom.com/2010/12/29/normalcy-bias/


21 posted on 03/14/2012 5:28:10 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

This all smells of a setup, i’ll bet they will be claiming that Tide can be used for makin’ meth so they can clamp down on preppers, but maybe I am paranoid...


22 posted on 03/14/2012 5:42:13 PM PDT by GraceG
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To: GraceG

I doubt it, there’s really nothing special about Tide as a soap formula.

I think it’s more an example of clever advertising being able to produce a “price premium” for a product.

My wife says the Sam’s Club Member’s Mark and Costco Kirkland branded stuff works just as well.


23 posted on 03/14/2012 5:47:11 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: PUGACHEV

Some folks are enTIDEled to it. Kind of like Jordan BBshoes.


24 posted on 03/14/2012 5:49:01 PM PDT by dforest
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To: Kartographer

This is just crooks stealing something they can pedal easily to make money for buying drugs or whatever.

To me “black market” implies that the product is not available in quantities that people want to buy. I’ve not heard of any shortages of Tide or other laundry detergents.


25 posted on 03/14/2012 5:52:28 PM PDT by nascarnation
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To: q_an_a

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/03/13/police-deny-reports-nationwide-spike-in-tide-detergent-theft/

This story says its basically false.


26 posted on 03/14/2012 6:17:46 PM PDT by suthener
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To: q_an_a

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2012/03/13/police-deny-reports-nationwide-spike-in-tide-detergent-theft/

This story says its basically false.


27 posted on 03/14/2012 6:25:50 PM PDT by suthener
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To: upcountry miss

Sounds like Fels Naftha soap. It’s still around, just not in every store.


28 posted on 03/14/2012 7:14:54 PM PDT by Ellendra ("It's astounding how often people mistake their own stupidity for a lack of fairness." --Thunt)
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To: upcountry miss

It sounds like you’re talking about Fels Naptha soap. It’s still around, though I’ve never seen it featured prominently. Try your local grocery store or Walmart.


29 posted on 03/14/2012 7:53:59 PM PDT by Altariel ("Curse your sudden but inevitable betrayal!")
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To: suthener

You post 1 Link and I posted 51 and video of one of the thieves in action. As Groucho said: “Who you going to believe me or your own eyes.


30 posted on 03/14/2012 11:45:21 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: nascarnation

A black Market is also goods trade at below retail value. If I steal a truck load of Cigarettes in NC and take them up to NY and sell them that’s Black Marketeering.


31 posted on 03/15/2012 12:01:47 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: dforest
Here's Tide bar Laundry soap
32 posted on 03/15/2012 3:28:19 AM PDT by Neidermeyer
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To: Altariel; Ellendra

That’s it. Couldn’t think of the name.


33 posted on 03/15/2012 4:33:07 AM PDT by upcountry miss
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To: Kartographer

Shades of Weimar Germany circa 1919-20 before the hyperinflation kicked in. The black market bartering stage cranks up.


34 posted on 03/15/2012 12:34:53 PM PDT by OB1kNOb (The prudent see danger and take refuge, but the simple keep going and pay the penalty. - Prov 22:3)
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To: upcountry miss

Fels naptha soap still sold..


35 posted on 03/15/2012 4:55:46 PM PDT by GregB (I will follow Sarah where ever she goes!)
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To: Kartographer

First of all, I’m a fellow prepper; I have downloaded and read your preparedness guide. I always read your posts. Having said that, 100 internet sources and 1 video do not a crisis make. I was just providing another view of the story. Sorry if that offended you. I’ll make it a point to never do anything that might in any way appear to be disagreeing with you.


36 posted on 03/15/2012 6:08:48 PM PDT by suthener
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To: Kartographer

Found another article on this... drug dealers are accepting Tide as barter store of wealth:

http://bastiat.mises.org/2012/03/tide-as-money/
Tide as Money

Posted by Douglas French on Mar 15, 2012

“A number of things have served as money throughout history: shells, tobacco leaves, even cigarettes in POW camps and prisons. Now those operating in the urban drug trade are using Tide detergent as currency.
Supermarkets and drug stores in some areas of the country can’t keep the detergent on the shelves. During a recent police raid on a drug dealer’s home in Washington D.C., the police found what they expected—cocaine—but also noted the 20 large bottles of Tide on the dealer’s shelves.
It turns out users paid the dealer in Tide rather than U.S. dollars. And why not, Proctor & Gamble’s best selling laundry soap is holding its value better than the government’s greenbacks.”


37 posted on 03/16/2012 12:23:53 AM PDT by JerseyHighlander
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To: PUGACHEV; Kartographer
What’s so special about Tide?

It gets clothes really clean.

It comes in pretty, bold orange packaging.

The Original Tide Scent is wonderfully fresh and clean, and is sort of like Annik Goutal's "Eau de Hadrien" fragrance.

38 posted on 03/16/2012 12:58:36 AM PDT by thecodont
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To: suthener; upchuck; PA Engineer; JerseyHighlander

Well here’s the thing not only did I post a link to multiple references to the story, but two other Freepers (PA Engineer and upchuck) both posted links with multiple references that their research turned up. There were also other Freepers posting reference like JerseyHighlander post #37 it wasn’t like I had based the thread on one single story from somewhere like WND. And then you post one link to a story saying that it was all false and seem to feel that was a definitive answer.

Well call me old fashion, but before I virtually call a man a fool or a liar I would want a bit more back-up.

On top of this you and others as well missed what I was trying to convey in posting the story it is that this is the type of behavior you see in collapsing economies and societies.

No there is no shortage of Tide and no there’s no big conspiratorial cadre making drugs out of it, but what there is a shortage of is money in peoples pockets. Millions who haven’t haven’t worked for months and can’t even hang on to their homes, so yes they eagerly snatch a $10-15-20 bottle of Tide for half it’s retail price and no question ask.

People are really hurting and now common things that they wouldn’t have ever bothered stealing or buying stolen in the past is becoming more common and acceptable to them.

This hurts everyone in the end of course as the cost gets past on to others until the point where they can’t afford the commodity either or to where the manufacturer and retailer can cover their cost and losses either.

I take some of the blame here that maybe I didn’t make this point as plain as I could have.

Consider the hatchet buried.


39 posted on 03/16/2012 1:36:34 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

It was very clear to me after working in many third world countries. See it all before. Just many the biggest mouths have never experienced those realities before. Thanks for the threads.


40 posted on 03/16/2012 3:27:51 AM PDT by PA Engineer (Time to beat the swords of government tyranny into the plowshares of freedom.)
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To: Kartographer

Bump! Well said.


41 posted on 03/16/2012 4:32:04 AM PDT by upchuck (Where others hold a window into the world, nobama holds a mirror. h/t - Don Surber)
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To: GRRRRR
Man, that stuff tasted terrible too...&*%$#@!!!!

Yes, it did, but before it was considered "child abuse", much of spoken (public) conversation was cleaner, too.

42 posted on 03/16/2012 4:39:11 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Kartographer

There’s a reason it’s just Tide. My guess is that somehow, someone has figured out how to distill a “street drug” from Tide. Maybe a certain scent. Not sure, but I’ll bet before too much longer we’ll find out what it is.


43 posted on 03/16/2012 4:51:23 AM PDT by cincinnati65 (Romney is not MY candidate for President in 2012.)
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To: KarlInOhio
Fancy thieves I can't afford tide. I use the cheapest detergent there is unless the Purex is on sale.
44 posted on 03/16/2012 4:54:06 AM PDT by angcat (PLEASE GOD SAVE OUR COUNTRY!)
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