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How Conservative Is Rick Santorumís Record?
Power Line ^ | March 15, 2012 | John Hinderaker

Posted on 03/16/2012 9:03:36 AM PDT by Josh Painter

Rick Santorum is regarded by many of his supporters as the “real” conservative in the GOP presidential race, and most Democrats pay him the unintended compliment of considering him an arch-conservative. Undoubtedly, Santorum is a conservative of a certain type, but how far to the right was his voting record during the three terms he spent in the United States Senate?

To answer this question, I went to the American Conservative Union’s ratings archive for 2006, Santorum’s last year as a senator, and looked up the lifetime ratings of those who were in the Senate at that time. One could debate voting records endlessly, but most observers consider the ACU’s ratings to be a reliable and objective index of where a senator or congressman fits on the political spectrum.

In 2006, there were 50 Republican senators. (Jumping Jim Jeffords switched parties somewhere in that time frame; I counted him as a Democrat. The ladies from Maine, of course, counted as Republicans.) Santorum’s lifetime ACU rating as of 2006 was 88.1. That is a pretty good rating, but Santorum was not one of the most conservative senators. On the contrary: while 20 Republicans had voting records that the ACU rated as more liberal than Santorum’s, 26 had voting records that were more conservative. Four Republican senators had ratings with one percent of Santorum’s, which I regarded as equivalent.

Thus, by this measure, Santorum was actually in the more moderate half of Republican senators during his years in that body. Bob Dole had a more conservative lifetime voting record; so did Trent Lott, John Sununu, Mitch McConnell, Lindsay Graham, and Orrin Hatch, who is now facing a Tea Party challenge in Utah. Bill Frist, not generally known as a fire-eater, had a record almost exactly as conservative as Santorum’s, at 87.8.

The explanation for these numbers is evident: while Santorum was a reliably conservative senator on social issues, he was not very conservative, for a Republican, on economic and fiscal issues. All of the four remaining contenders in the GOP presidential field are conservatives, but they are conservatives of different stripes. It is not accurate to describe Santorum as the most conservative of the four, or as the only “real” conservative in the group.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; Politics; Society
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Shocker: Bob Dole & Lindsay Graham had more conservative lifetime voting records than Rick Santorum did,
1 posted on 03/16/2012 9:03:39 AM PDT by Josh Painter
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To: Josh Painter

Based on content of character...I’d say he has more content to his character than the other candidates, and therefore is more trustworthy to do what he says he’ll do.


2 posted on 03/16/2012 9:07:46 AM PDT by Lucky9teen (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading.~Thomas Jeffer)
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To: Lucky9teen
Based on content of character...I’d say he has more content to his character than the other candidates, and therefore is more trustworthy to do what he says he’ll do.

Yep.

3 posted on 03/16/2012 9:08:56 AM PDT by frogjerk (OBAMA NOV 2012 = HORSEMEAT)
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To: Josh Painter

Good job. We’ve got a conservative actually beating Romney straight up in primaries and caucuses. Let’s see if we can tear him apart! Bravo. Good for you.


4 posted on 03/16/2012 9:10:39 AM PDT by pgkdan (Rick Santorum 2012. Conservative's last, best chance!)
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To: Josh Painter
Rick Santorum’s Senate voting record:

What A Big Government Conservative Looks Like

NEA
Voted for taxpayer funding of the National Endowment for the Arts.
Voted against a 10% cut in the budget for National Endowment for the Arts.

Bankruptcy
Voted for a Schumer amendment to make the debts of pro-life demonstrators not dischargeable in bankruptcy.

Defense and Foreign Policy

Voted for the Chemical Weapons Convention (CWC).
Voted against requiring the President to certify that the CWC is effectively verifiable.

Voted against requiring the President to certify that that Iran, Iraq, Syria, Libya, North Korea, China, and all other countries determined to be state sponsors of terror have joined CWC prior to submitting the instrument of ratification.

Voted for the START II Treaty.
Voted to allow the sale of supercomputers to China.
Voted to ban anti-personnel landmines.
Voted against increasing defense spending offset by equivalent cuts in non-defense spending.
Voted to require that Federal bureaucrats get the same pay raises as uniformed military.
Voted to allow food and medicine sales to state sponsors of terror and tyrannical regimes such as Libya and Cuba.
Voted to limit the President’s authority to impose sanctions on nations for reasons of national security unless the sanctions were approved by a multilateral regime.
Voted against requiring Congressional authorization for military action in Bosnia.
Voted to give $25 million in foreign aid to North Korea.
Voted to weaken alien terrorist deportation provisions. If the Court determines that the evidence must be withheld for national security reasons, the Justice Department must still provide a summary of the evidence sufficient for the alien terrorist to mount a defense against deportation.
Voted against delaying the India Nuclear until the President certified that India had agreed to suspend military-to-military exchanges with Iran.
Voted against the Conventional Trident Missile Program.

Nominations

Voted for Richard Paez to the 9th Curcuit (cloture).
Voted for Sonia Sotomayor, Circuit Judge.
Voted for Richard Holbrooke to be Ambassador to the UN.
Voted for Margaret Morrow to be District Judge.
Voted twice for Marsha Berzon to the 9thg Circuit.
Voted for Mary McLaughlin to be District Judge.
Voted for Tim Dyk to be District Judge.
Voted for James Brady to be District Judge.

Labor

Voted against National Right to Work Act.
Voted against repeal of Davis-Bacon Prevailing union wages.
Voted for Alexis Herman to be Secretary of Labor.
Voted for mandatory Federal child care funding.
Voted for Trade Adjustment Assistance.
Voted for Job Corps funding.
Voted twice in support of Fedex Unionization.
Voted against allowing a waiver of Davis-Bacon in emergency situations.
Voted for minimum wage increases six times here here here here here and here.
Voted to require a union representative on an IRS oversight board.
Voted to exempt IRS union representatives from criminal ethics laws.
Voted against creating independent Board of Governors to investigate IRS abuses.

Guns

Voted to require pawn shops to do background checks on people who pawn a gun.
Voted twice to make it illegal to sell a gun without a secure storage or safety device.
Voted for a Federal ban on possession of “assault weapons” by those under 18.
Voted for Federal funding for anti-gun education programs in schools.
Voted for anti-gun juvenile justice bill.

Reform

Voted for funding for the legal services corporation.
Voted twice for a Congressional pay raise.
Voted to impose a uniform Federal mandate on states to force them to allow convicted rapists, arsonists, drug kingpins, and all other ex-convicts to vote in Federal elections.
Voted for the Specter “backup plan” to allow campaign finance reform to survive if portions of the bill were found unconstitutional.
Voted to mandate discounted broadcast times for politicians.
Voted for a McCain amendment to require state and local campaign committees to report all campaign contributions to the FEC and to require all campaign contributions to be reported to the FEC within 24 hours within 90 days of an election.

Immigration

Voted against increasing the number of immigration investigators.
Voted to allow illegal immigrants to receive the earned income credit before becoming citizens.
Voted to give SSI benefits to legal aliens.
Voted to give welfare benefits to naturalized citizens without regard to the earnings of their sponsors.
Voted against hiring an additional 1,000 border patrol agents, paid for by reductions in state grants.

Taxes

Voted against a flat tax.
Voted to increase tobacco taxes to pay for Medicare prescription drugs.
Voted to increase tobacco taxes to fund health insurance subsidies for small businesses.
Voted to increase tobacco taxes to pay for an $8 billion increase in child healh insurance.
Voted to increase tobacco taxes to pay for an increase in NIH funding.
Voted twice for internet taxes.
Voted to allow gas tax revenues to be used to subsidize Amtrak.
Voted to strike marriage penalty tax relief and instead provide fines on tobacco companies.
Voted against repealing the Clinton 4.3 cent gas tax increase.
Voted to increase taxes by $2.3 billion to pay for an Amtrak trust fund.
Voted to allow welfare to a minor who had a child out of wedlock and who resided with an adult who was on welfare within the previous two years.
Voted to increase taxes by $9.4 billion to pay for a $9.4 billion increase in student loans.
Voted to say that AMT patch is more important than capital gains and dividend relief.

Welfare

Voted against food stamp reform.
Voted against Medicaid reform.
Voted against TANF reform.
Voted to increase the Social Services Block Grant from $1 billion to $2 billion.
Voted to increase the FHA loan from $170,000 to $197,000. Also opposed increasing GNMA guaranty from 6 basis points to 12.
Voted for $2 billion for low income heating assistance.

Waste

Sponsored an amendment to increase Amtrak funds by $550 million.
Voted to use HUD funds for the Joslyn Art Museum (NE), the Stand Up for Animals project (RI) and the Seattle Art Museum’s Olympic Sculpture Project (WA).
Voted to increase spending on social programs by $7 billion.
Voted to increase NIH funding by $1.6 billion.
Voted to increase NIHnding by $700 million.
Voted to for a $2 million earmark to renovate the Vulcan Monument (AL).
Voted for a $1 billion bailout for the steel industry.
Voted against requiring that highway earmarks would come out of a state’s highway allocation.
Voted to allow Market Access Program funds to go to foreign companies.
Voted to allow OPIC to increase its administrative costs by 50%.
Voted against transferring $20 million from AmeriCorps to veterans.
Voted for the $140 billion asbestos compensation bill.
Voted against requiring a uniform medical criteria to ensure asbestos claims were legitimate.
Voted to increase community development programs by $2 billion.

Spending and Entitlements

Voted to make Medicare part B premium subsidies a new entitlement.
Voted against paying off the debt ($5.6 trillion at the time) within 30 years.
Voted to give $18 billion to the IMF.
Voted to raid Social Security instead of using surpluses to pay down the debt.

Health Care

Voted to allow states to impose health care mandates that are stricter than proposed new Federal mandates, but not weaker.
Voted twice for Federal mental health parity mandates in health insurance.
Voted against allowing consumers the option to purchase a plan outside the parity mandate.

Education

Voted to increase Federal funding for teacher testing.
Voted to increase spending for the Department of Education by $3.1 billion.
Voted against requiring courts to consider the impact of IDEA awards on a local school district.

Energy

Voted to allow the President to designate certain sites as interim nuclear waste storage sites in the event that he determines that Yucca Mountain is not a suitable site for a permanent waste repository. Those sites are as follows: the nuclear waste site in Hanford, Washington; the Savannah River Site in South Carolina; Barnwell County, South Carolina; and the Oak Ridge Reservation in Tennessee.

Voted to make fuel price gouging a Federal crime.

5 posted on 03/16/2012 9:11:17 AM PDT by Windflier (To anger a conservative, tell him a lie. To anger a liberal, tell him the truth.)
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To: Windflier

Big intrusive gov’t, family values advocate. Huckabee without the personality.


6 posted on 03/16/2012 9:18:19 AM PDT by Paine in the Neck (Romney's judicial appointments were more radical than Obama's)
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To: Josh Painter

With that said, Santorum is still more conservative on fiscal issues than Romney is, especially in light with Romney’s term as MA governor. Romney was a spender and a big porker, and increased MA’s budget every year that he was in power with no veto attempts.


7 posted on 03/16/2012 9:19:27 AM PDT by Thunder90 (Romney barely won in OH with a 12-1 money advantage, he can't beat Obama that way.)
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To: Windflier

While not a blue-blood conservative, he’s probably the most conservative of the three leading candidates.

I’m certain you could easily draw Gingrich votes out of context and paint him a flaming pro-abort, anti-gun, pro-global-warming, internationalist, NAFTA liberal.

We’ve got to go with what we’ve got.

While I am committed to vote for whichever Republican wins the nomination (AB0), I don’t really think that any of the three leading candidates can beat the zer0id.


8 posted on 03/16/2012 9:21:27 AM PDT by Westbrook (Children do not divide your love, they multiply it.)
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To: pgkdan

Those who can’t handle the truth often attack the messenger.

How many of those who condemned Graham as a RINO will make excuses for Santorum?


9 posted on 03/16/2012 9:21:50 AM PDT by Josh Painter ("We intend to change Washington, not accomodate it." - Newt Gingrich)
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To: Windflier

RS supporters - are you listening???

(crickets)

That’s what I thought. WAKE UP PEOPLE!

Go Newt!


10 posted on 03/16/2012 9:23:38 AM PDT by llandres (Forget the "New America" - restore the original one!!)
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To: Paine in the Neck

Ah, yes, but none of his kids have abused a dog, as far as we know!


11 posted on 03/16/2012 9:23:38 AM PDT by Pining_4_TX ( The state is the great fiction by which everybody seeks to live at the expense of everybody else. ~)
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To: Lucky9teen
Based on content of character...I’d say he has more content to his character than the other candidates, and therefore is more trustworthy to do what he says he’ll do.

O'Rly?


12 posted on 03/16/2012 9:26:16 AM PDT by McGruff (Newt Gingrich, the closest thing we've got to Sarah Palin.)
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To: Josh Painter

For the past two days I’ve received almost a dozen Romney calls going negative on Rick Santorum. They are VERY annoying. (Illinois)


13 posted on 03/16/2012 9:27:04 AM PDT by stars & stripes forever (Blessed is the nation whose God is the Lord!)
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To: pgkdan; Josh Painter
His statement is a fair assessment, unlike post #5, which only cherry picks the worst parts of the 12% of Rick Santorum's record when he didn't vote with conservatives.

Still, it is unfair to compare his voting record to people like Lindsay Graham and Bob Dole, both of whom represented reliable conservative constituencies. Santorum never had that luxury.

Rick Santorum is a 100% reliable social conservative and about an 80% reliable economic conservative. Given where he came from, I don't know how we can realistically expect to elect anything better. I will take Rick Santorum's occasional lapse of faith on a union issue any day over John McCain's or Lindsay Graham's 100% affection for the illegal alien lobby, which is nothing more than the modern pro-slavery lobby when you exclude the clearly racists and anti-American elements.

For some strange reason, a few southern conservatives still have a certain inexplicable nostalgia for the days of slavery. Those of us in the north do not.


Seven reasons for Rick Santorum


  1. Who has won the most states without the benefit of their own money, last election's organization or a billionaire casino sugar daddy?
  2. Who is everybody's second choice when he isn't their first?
  3. Who can get both the Romney people and the Gingrich people, who hate each other, to vote for him?
  4. Who has the best record on immigration?
  5. Who has the best plan for repealing ObamaCare? And is the only GOP candidate who didn't help write or approve legislation which helped spawn this fiasco?
  6. Who has the best plan for expanding the American economy and strengthening American families?
  7. Who is the closest thing we have to the "generic Republican" which polls show consistently beating Obama and is most likely to make the election about Obama's sorry record rather than about himself?

14 posted on 03/16/2012 9:31:54 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Josh Painter

Here’s the thing ... I TRUST Santorum. I don’t trust Newt or Mittens AT ALL. I wouldn’t trust those two with a bubble pipe. They have no integrity.

And, because I trust Santorum, he’s my guy.

Santorum 2012


15 posted on 03/16/2012 9:33:45 AM PDT by RIghtwardHo
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From this, we have discovered Rick Santorum is not perfect. What a shocker!!!

The only people this is news to are the people who vote in cognitive dissonance, pretending that whoever they are voting for has an unblemished record. No one has an unblemished record: Not Santorum, not Gingrich, not anyone who has been in this race or stayed on the sidelines. Santorum is not perfect, but his record is above average, particularly for a senator from the big union state of PA. I can vote for him in good conscience. Romney, on the other hand, I cannot vote for in good conscience.


16 posted on 03/16/2012 9:35:00 AM PDT by RecoveringPaulisto
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To: Josh Painter

pick pick pick....we are letting the MSM control us! Think about that!


17 posted on 03/16/2012 9:35:28 AM PDT by elephant
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To: McGruff
Look at the date. Compared to John McCain, he was. There weren't better choices on the menu at that time.

I happened to be backing Fred Thompson at that point in time. What a major disappointment he turned out to be.

18 posted on 03/16/2012 9:41:10 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Josh Painter
All of the four remaining contenders in the GOP presidential field are conservatives.

Blasphemy!!!

19 posted on 03/16/2012 9:41:21 AM PDT by smoothsailing
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To: Josh Painter

The answer: every Republican running is a darn sight more conservative than Barack Obama.

Degrees of conservatism are simply not important this year. A can of spam is an improvement over our current Occupant.


20 posted on 03/16/2012 9:42:11 AM PDT by Jedidah
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To: RIghtwardHo

You trust Santorum to do what.

Balance the Budget?

Repeal Roe v Wade?


21 posted on 03/16/2012 9:44:39 AM PDT by Bailee
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To: RIghtwardHo

You trust Santorum to do what.

Balance the Budget?

Repeal Roe v Wade?


22 posted on 03/16/2012 9:44:50 AM PDT by Bailee
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To: Paine in the Neck

“Huckabee without the personality.”

Well said.


23 posted on 03/16/2012 9:45:32 AM PDT by Retired Greyhound (.)
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To: Josh Painter

The Power Line blog endorsed Romney claimung he has a solid conservative record and while Santorum does have a bad record, how does this blog wash away the fact Romney opposed Reagan calling himself an independent, in his 94 run against Kennedy he ran to the left of Kennedy on “gay rights,” then there’s his planned parenthood questionarre, his” editorial on the flat tax calling it a tax break for fatcats, Romney even created an entire agency to combat global warming, his judicial nominees are activists that rule in favor of boys wearing fingernail polish n skirts to school, amd let’s not forget Romneycare, which funds abortions.


24 posted on 03/16/2012 9:46:14 AM PDT by Advocatus Sancti Sepulchri
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To: McGruff

I think Santorum, as well as a lot of us, realize A LOT has changed since 2008 and a lot of minds have been changed in the process.


25 posted on 03/16/2012 9:50:23 AM PDT by Lucky9teen (Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading.~Thomas Jeffer)
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To: Josh Painter

santorum.... the bushes 4th term... no thanks


26 posted on 03/16/2012 9:51:35 AM PDT by joe fonebone (Project Gunwalker, this will make watergate look like the warm up band......)
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To: Vigilanteman; McGruff; All

There’s a BIG difference between a simple endorsement
and the Lil’Ricky Mitt endorsement
equivalent of a political "Lewinsky".
Whatever Lil' Ricky. Might as well wash his feet while your at it.


27 posted on 03/16/2012 9:53:04 AM PDT by musicman (Until I see the REAL Long Form Vault BC, he's just "PRES__ENT" Obama = Without "ID")
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To: joe fonebone

Romney...Obama’s second term...no thanks.


28 posted on 03/16/2012 9:53:56 AM PDT by RecoveringPaulisto
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To: joe fonebone

“santorum.... the bushes 4th term... no thanks”

That’s what worries me, too.

I will support Santorum if it comes down to him and Willard. But while Newt is still in the mix, I’m for Newt.


29 posted on 03/16/2012 9:54:32 AM PDT by SharpRightTurn ( White, black, and red all over--America's affirmative action, metrosexual president.)
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To: Josh Painter

This article has a glaring factual error; Dole’s lifetime rating is an 82, which is less than Santorum’s 88.


30 posted on 03/16/2012 9:56:04 AM PDT by ConservativeTeen (Proud Right Wing Extremist)
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To: Josh Painter

Those who can’t handle the truth often attack the messenger.

How many of those who condemned Graham as a RINO will make excuses for Santorum?


Remember not to attack the messenger and not to make excuses for Newt.
We Rick supporters can do the same thing Newt supporters do. All the candidates has negative; romney the most. To say Rick is worse than Newt is not true.

Is Newt Gingrich liberal?  You better believe it.  In fact, he has a long record of standing for just about everything that the Tea Party is supposed to be against.  Newt Gingrich has long supported an individual mandate for health care, he supported the Wall Street bailouts, he supported the funding of Planned Parenthood, he did a global warming commercial with Nancy Pelosi and he has made tens of millions of dollars lobbying for liberal causes.  In addition, he has a personal life which will make him unelectable when put up against Barack Obama in a general election.  So what in the world are Republicans thinking?  This is not the guy to hitch our wagon to.  Are Republicans really going to nominate a guy who co-sponsored 418 bills with Nancy Pelosi?  Newt Gingrich is so liberal that someone needs to tell him that he is in the wrong political party.  Newt Gingrich is not just a RINO (”Republican In Name Only”).  He is a progressive socialist and a consummate Washington insider.  He represents everything that the Tea Party is supposed to be fighting to get out of Washington.

If you plan on voting for Newt Gingrich, please read the rest of the information below first. 

The following are 10 reasons why Newt Gingrich is liberal....

#1 Newt Gingrich was promoting the principles of Obamacare before Obamacare was even invented.  Republicans are supposed to be against Obamacare, and yet a huge percentage of them are supporting a candidate that was pushing an individual mandate way before Obamacare was ever even invented.
In June 2007, Gingrich made the following statement....
“Personal responsibility extends to the purchase of health insurance. Citizens should not be able to cheat their neighbors by not buying insurance, particularly when they can afford it, and expect others to pay for their care when they need it.”
That doesn’t sound very conservative.

Gingrich says that he will repeal Obamacare, but back in 2008 Gingrich wrote a book entitled “Real Change” in which he endorsed an individual health care mandate.

So should we believe what Gingrich is saying now or should we believe what he has been saying for nearly 20 years?

#2 Before he was running for president, he was running around the country with Al Sharpton promoting the socialist education policies of the Obama administration.

#3 Back in 2008 Gingrich actually did a television commercial with Nancy Pelosi in which he declared that “our country must take action to address climate change”.

#4 Not only that, Gingrich also has promoted the idea of a “cap and trade” carbon trading scheme.  Back in 2007, Gingrich said the following....
“I think if you have mandatory carbon caps combined with a trading system, much like we did with sulfur, and if you have a tax-incentive program for investing in the solutions, that there’s a package there that’s very, very good. And frankly, it’s something I would strongly support.”
#5 While he was in Congress, Newt Gingrich co-sponsored 418 bills with Nancy Pelosi.  

#6 As we have seen during the recent debates, Gingrich openly supports amnesty for millions of illegal aliens.

#7 In 2008 Newt Gingrich declared that he would have voted for the TARP bailout if he was still a member of Congress.

#8 While Newt Gingrich was the Speaker of the House the amount of taxes collected by the U.S. government soared from $1.001 trillion to $1.511 trillion.

#9 Newt Gingrich is a big time Washington insider that is often paid huge sums of money for doing next to nothing.  Gingrich has said that he was paid $300,000 for “work” that he did for Freddie Mac, but according to Bloomberg he actually earned somewhere between $1.6 million and $1.8 million between 1999 and 2008.

So what did he do for Freddie Mac?  Gingrich claims that he warned Freddie Mac about the housing bubble, but the report by Bloomberg disputes this....
None of the former Freddie Mac officials who spoke on condition of anonymity said Gingrich raised the issue of the housing bubble or was critical of Freddie Mac’s business model.
It turns out that much of the “work” that Gingrich was expected to do never actually got done....
Former Freddie Mac officials familiar with his work in 2006 say Gingrich was asked to build bridges to Capitol Hill Republicans and develop an argument on behalf of the company’s public-private structure that would resonate with conservatives seeking to dismantle it.

He was expected to provide written material that could be circulated among free-market conservatives in Congress and in outside organizations, said two former company executives familiar with Gingrich’s role at the firm. He didn’t produce a white paper or any other document the firm could use on its behalf, they said.
#10 The Republican Party is supposed to be the party of “moral values”, but they are getting ready to send someone to the White House that has a track record that would make Bill Clinton blush.

The following is how a recent Business Insider article described the “skeletons in the closet” from his personal life....
Newt’s personal baggage is either weird or scary. He married his high-school geometry teacher. He cheated on her and divorced her while she had cancer. So he married Marianne Ginther six months later. But that wasn’t to last.

Gingrich conducted a tawdry affair behind her back with one of his staffers while making political hay out of Clinton’s affair with a White House intern. He then divorced Marianne and married the staffer. 
How in the world can Republicans be supporting this guy?

For more on the personal life of Newt Gingrich, please check out this video.

We desperately need to educate Republicans about this guy while there is still time.

The following is from a recent opinion piece authored by U.S. Senator Rand Paul for The Des Moines Register....

Both Mitt Romney and Newt Gingrich supported the outrageous $700 billion Troubled Asset Relief Program, or TARP, bailouts — “one of the most unpopular government programs in American history,” even according to President Obama’s own Treasury Department.

Both Romney and Gingrich have been outspoken and unapologetic supporters of the individual mandate. This is the heart and soul of ObamaCare.

Since the tea party started as a reaction to Republicans who voted for TARP, and was strengthened into a national political force during the fight over ObamaCare, I believe this disqualifies both Romney and Gingrich from tea party support.

But Paul was not finished there.  He went on to list many more reasons why Gingrich is not qualified to lead the Republican Party....

Gingrich began his career as a Rockefeller Republican from the liberal wing of the party. And though he has often spoken and occasionally acted like he left that wing, it is clear from his flip-flops and multiple “apologies” that his heart is still there.

His record features “highlights” such as global warming commercials with Nancy Pelosi, support for cap-and-trade, funding Planned Parenthood, and, recently, announcing that life does not begin at conception.

Not only that, but Gingrich took money as a Freddie Mac lobbyist — one of the well-known government-backed agencies that served as a root cause of the financial meltdown of 2008.

While one candidate in the race, my father, Rep. Ron Paul, was publicly warning about Fannie Mae and Freddie Mac and the crisis they were helping to create, Gingrich was earning millions to not only endorse but also promote the status quo.

One group of Gingrich’s also took in nearly $40 million promoting big-government ideas, such as the individual mandate.

His lobbying and promotion of the housing crisis and the health care mandate have helped to make him a wealthy man, but they have also put him outside the conservative mainstream on most issues.

In conclusion, Paul claimed that Gingrich is not even a conservative....

So I will conclude by saying two things: Gingrich is not from the tea party. He is not even a conservative.

He is part of the Washington establishment I was sent to fight. He has been wrong on many of the major issues of the day, and he has taken money from those who helped cause the housing crisis and create millions of foreclosures.

Rand Paul is right - the reality is that Newt Gingrich is a rabid liberal and no Republican should ever cast a single vote for him.

For much more on why you should not vote for Newt Gingrich, please watch the short video posted below....


31 posted on 03/16/2012 10:07:45 AM PDT by Linda Frances (Only God can change a heart, but we can pray for hearts to be changed.)
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To: Josh Painter
FACT CHECK: Santorum a “big-government conservative”?

Santorum’s Big-Government Conservatism

32 posted on 03/16/2012 10:07:59 AM PDT by McGruff (Newt Gingrich, the closest thing we've got to Sarah Palin.)
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To: musicman
No sale. If you don't look at Romney's record as governor of Massachusetts, you could easily get that impression by listening only to Mitt's rhetoric.

If you excommunicate everyone from the church of conservatism who ever said anything good about Mitt Romney, you are left with even a smaller constituency than Newt has on this map:


Go tell us how your guy can actually beat Obama at this point.

33 posted on 03/16/2012 10:08:51 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Linda Frances
Regarding your point #6, see my post #14 for an explanation of why some southerners have a deep affection for illegal aliens.

Some of your other points are logical as well, but most of it is as hyperbolic as the crap the Newtbots are throwing at Rick Santorum.

Any of the four are way better than Obama. And that includes Newt as well.

Newt may be a narcissistic s.o.b. with delusions of grandeur, but at least he doesn't hate America. I'll take a narcissistic s.o.b. who at least has a little respect for America any day over a narcissistic s.o.b. who has none and wants to transform it into a third world kleptocracy.

34 posted on 03/16/2012 10:17:12 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Josh Painter
"Thus, by this measure, Santorum was actually in the more moderate half of Republican senators during his years in that body. Bob Dole had a more conservative lifetime voting record; so did Trent Lott, John Sununu, Mitch McConnell, Lindsay Graham, and Orrin Hatch..."

With the exception of Sununu all the above were representing solid red states. I can just about guarantee that if any of the above had been elected from Pennsylvania, their respective ACU ratings would have been lower than Rick's.

I don't recall anybody calling Fred Thompson a liberal back in 2008, but his lifetime ACU rating is lower than Santorum's.

35 posted on 03/16/2012 10:23:14 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack (Que me amat, amet et canem meum)
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To: llandres; parksstp

Newt is unelectable. The most conservative part of the county just gave Santorum a string of victories against the other two in the race despite the anti-Santorum spam that we keep getting here. He draws the votes of those earning under $100k and connects to the heartland of America. This election is not only about “It’s the jobs stupid” it is also about “It’s the culture stupid.”

Newt has baggage heavy enough to sink a luxury cruise liner and as described by the WSJ is a “Hindenberg waiting to explode.” He just called the system for choosing candidates “stupid” a comment we did not hear from him when he won SC and GA. Newt needs to bow out of the race, he’s becoming a spoiler, and is creating a breach in the conservative vote that is allowing Romney to sneak through. He’s sabotaging Le Resistance to Romney.


36 posted on 03/16/2012 10:24:43 AM PDT by Steelfish (ui)
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To: Josh Painter

How nitpicky of you.
/s


37 posted on 03/16/2012 10:26:47 AM PDT by txrangerette ("HOLD TO THE TRUTH...SPEAK WITHOUT FEAR" - Glenn Beck)
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To: Vigilanteman
My point of posting that (I did not even read it all) is to point out that Newt and Rick both have things they regret doing. We also know sites where we can pick up trash and throw it back. Some Newt supporters have such hatred of Rick that if we post good news for Rick, they go into that threads only to trash Rick. They, like romney and the gop, expect us to support their candidate after attacking ours with such hatred. (and a few have a lot of hate for Rick and his supporters) They want us to turn our backs on our values and our beliefs and go with them. Every person has their reasons to support their candidate, and no one should bully people into changing theirs.
38 posted on 03/16/2012 10:31:24 AM PDT by Linda Frances (Only God can change a heart, but we can pray for hearts to be changed.)
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To: Josh Painter
Shocker: Bob Dole & Lindsay Graham had more conservative lifetime voting records than Rick Santorum did,

I'm not surprised that Dole was more conservative. I still remember him on the House floor, fighting Hillary Care - He said that it was not the governments job to do good, it was to prevent harm. Taken out of context, one might worry about the "prevent harm" bit, but he was right on.

39 posted on 03/16/2012 10:35:18 AM PDT by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: pgkdan

Would you rather that the truth be hidden? Santorum’s not as conservative as he says (or as his strong supporters are wont to assert). That said, I could vote for him (prefer Newt) while I could not vote for Romney.


40 posted on 03/16/2012 10:38:05 AM PDT by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: Linda Frances
You might want to rethink #1

“Personal responsibility extends to the purchase of health insurance. Citizens should not be able to cheat their neighbors by not buying insurance, particularly when they can afford it, and expect others to pay for their care when they need it.

Promoting personnel responsibility sounds very conservative.

41 posted on 03/16/2012 10:46:19 AM PDT by Ratman83
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To: Linda Frances
Point taken.

I just don't want to descend to their level.

If Newt actually had a chance of getting the nomination, I would quite possibly even vote for him.

But I have yet to see his most ardent supporters explain how they would ever attract the supporters of any other candidate to their banner with the all negative all the time stuff they throw around.

I'm not even calling on Newt to drop out at this point. He alone has to make that decision. But it is beginning to look very much like he is willing to sabotage the eventual GOP nominee, whoever it is, to preserve his precious ego.

42 posted on 03/16/2012 10:49:29 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: Ratman83

My point of posting that (I did not even read it all) is to point out that Newt and Rick both have things they regret doing. We also know sites where we can pick up trash and throw it back. Some Newt supporters have such hatred of Rick that if we post good news for Rick, they go into that threads only to trash Rick. They, like romney and the gop, expect us to support their candidate after attacking ours with such hatred. (and a few have a lot of hate for Rick and his supporters) They want us to turn our backs on our values and our beliefs and go with them. Every person has their reasons to support their candidate, and no one should bully people into changing theirs.


43 posted on 03/16/2012 10:52:51 AM PDT by Linda Frances (Only God can change a heart, but we can pray for hearts to be changed.)
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To: Josh Painter

Shocker: Bob Dole wasn’t in the Senate in 2006, and therefore could not POSSIBLY have had a better 2006 lifetime ACU record. Oddly, Jindraker made two other errors, first in saying there were 50 Republican senators, when there were 55, and second in saying Jim Jeffords switched “around that time”, he switched 5 years earlier in 2001 (which is also when there were 50 republicans).

As Powerline has now corrected, it was Elizabeth Dole, not Bob Dole, in the ratings.

Anyway, correcting for 55 republicans, and also not comparing Santorum to himself (yes, they did that, Santorum was one of the 4 that was within the margin of error with himself), the numbers for Santorum are: 24 worse, 27 better, 3 the same (54 total).

Newt Gingrich’s lifetime ACU Rating when he resigned in 1998 was a 90. (Note: this is a rounded number, I couldn’t find the more “accurate” decimal version for the 1998 results).

Of the 55 senators in 2006, 24 were more conservative than Gingrich. That includes Graham, Trent Lott, and Kay Baily Hutchinson. And Burns, Enzi, and Talent.

Or using the “about the same” criteria, Gingrich was 27 worse, 6 the same, 21 better. He’s tied with Orrin Hatch.

So if this shows Santorum isn’t conservative, it also shows Gingrich wasn’t even “conservative” when he resigned, BEFORE he took several decidedly moderate positions that aren’t covered by ACU ratings since he wasn’t in congress.

I am not saying Gingrich isn’t sufficiently conservative — I am pointing out that, by the criteria being advanced here, if Santorum isn’t conservative, neither is Gingrich.

In truth, a lifetime rating within a couple of points really isn’t a distinction worth a difference. Both men had to make many votes, some of which supported leadership rather than conservatism.


44 posted on 03/16/2012 11:04:20 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Linda Frances

So you posted someone else’s words without reading them nor do you give the original author/poster credit. I could now not careless for what you have as a view.


45 posted on 03/16/2012 11:05:16 AM PDT by Ratman83
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To: Josh Painter
How many of those who condemned Graham as a RINO will make excuses for Santorum?

Josh, you aren't that stupid.

Graham in 2006 had a lifetime ACU rating of 90.6.

Newt's final lifetime ACU rating was 90.

So, how many of those who condemned Graham as a RINO will make excuses for Gingrich?

Those who can't handle the truth ignore it?

46 posted on 03/16/2012 11:06:12 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Josh Painter

BTW, you do know that Hindraker published this to help Romney, and that the only reason he didn’t do the comparison I did with Gingrich is that he believes Gingrich is no longer in the race.


47 posted on 03/16/2012 11:07:24 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: ConservativeTeen

It has 3 errors — It was Elizabeth Dole, not Bob Dole, there were 55 Republican Senators, not 50, and Jeffords “jumped” in 2001, not 2006.

Pretty sloppy for Hindraker.


48 posted on 03/16/2012 11:10:23 AM PDT by CharlesWayneCT
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To: Josh Painter

Then shut up and vote for your hero Romney then. You have two choices Romney or Santorum. We know your choice.


49 posted on 03/16/2012 11:15:04 AM PDT by napscoordinator (A moral principled Christian with character is the frontrunner! Congrats Santorum!)
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To: RecoveringPaulisto

our choices are simple:

mcromney, the white version of fubo

santorum, the bushes 4th term

paul, classic nut job

newt, the pissed off old hounddog that led a conservative revolution

I look at what people in office do, not what they say. With that there statement in mind, the only person that was a true conservative in office is newt.

I will not associate myself in any way with a white fubo, another term of bushes, or a nut job. Period.

If this country is to be lead to the abyss, let that person have a d after their name. I am done compromising, i am done playing “team” politics, i am done voting for socialist or socialist lite. Best case scenario is at the brokered convention a non bush true conservative comes out to play...


50 posted on 03/16/2012 11:27:17 AM PDT by joe fonebone (Project Gunwalker, this will make watergate look like the warm up band......)
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