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I am looking for the name of a writer (AA)

Posted on 03/17/2012 11:37:59 AM PDT by Sokol

I am looking for the name of a writer (deceased) who wrote about his personal journey with AA (Alcoholics Anonymous). I think he was from New York and may have been a priest. He only died within the past 5-8 years - I think. He was not anti-AA, but disagreed with many of the teachings such as ALWAYS being an alcoholic. If you know of the writer, please let me know.


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1 posted on 03/17/2012 11:38:02 AM PDT by Sokol
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To: Sokol

I have never met an alcoholic who wants to keep drinking, who didn’t disbelieve that alcoholics are ALWAYS alcoholics. They soon relapse and end up right back in the old hole they dug and climbed out...Alcoholics are born, not made.


2 posted on 03/17/2012 11:48:30 AM PDT by tuckrdout ( A fool vents all his feelings, but a wise man holds them back. Prov.29:11)
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To: Sokol

bump


3 posted on 03/17/2012 11:50:25 AM PDT by Burlem
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To: Sokol
Did he write a book? I'm assuming it wasn't officially endorsed AA literature and his story doesn't show up in the back of the Big Book (gave myself away - 23-1/2 years and counting).

At any rate - if you have more info, I have minds I can tap.

4 posted on 03/17/2012 11:52:32 AM PDT by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: Sokol

Bill - no last name.


5 posted on 03/17/2012 11:53:10 AM PDT by muleskinner
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To: Sokol

Father Martin was a priest who spoke on alcoholism and was a strong supporter of AA.


6 posted on 03/17/2012 11:55:32 AM PDT by Terry Mross ( "It happened. And we let it happen. - Peter Griffin, Family Guy)
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To: Sokol

Could it be?

Fr. Ralph Pfau, aka Fr. John Doe
Author of “Sobriety Without End” and “Sobriety and Beyond”


7 posted on 03/17/2012 11:56:03 AM PDT by deport (..............God Bless Texas............)
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To: tuckrdout
My dad was an alcoholic. I remember him going in and out of “the hospital” to dry out when I was going up. This went on for years. Then, my dad went to a church where he felt God was really real. (He went to a Catholic church, but traditional & dead church) He committed his life to Christ. He never drank again. It was amazing because I did not know what or who my dad was without alcohol. He has been sober for 30+ years. He became the dad I always wanted. He volunteered helping men kick the habit. He went to AA meeting and it never worked. Only God worked for him.
8 posted on 03/17/2012 12:00:01 PM PDT by Linda Frances (Only God can change a heart, but we can pray for hearts to be changed.)
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To: Sokol

Ed Dowling?


9 posted on 03/17/2012 12:00:25 PM PDT by Engraved-on-His-hands
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To: Sokol

Was it Father Mychal Judge, the priest who died in the Twin Towers? I don’t know if he wrote any books but books have been written about him.


10 posted on 03/17/2012 12:00:58 PM PDT by MomofMarine
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To: Sokol

“AA”! Is that Alcoholics Anonymous, African-American, Anti-Aircraft, people with small feet, women who are built like boys, or perhaps a book about batteries?


11 posted on 03/17/2012 12:01:21 PM PDT by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class!)
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To: Sokol

http://www.amazon.com/God-Alcoholic-Jerry-G-Dunn/dp/0802432840

Could it be Jerry Dunn? “God is for the Alcoholic”


12 posted on 03/17/2012 12:10:51 PM PDT by cornfedcowboy (Trust in God, but empty the clip.)
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To: Sokol

Too funny. For those who are real alcoholics they will guaran-damn-tee you that once a drunk always a drunk. You can try and dodge it all you want. We watch many people die doing so


13 posted on 03/17/2012 12:15:47 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: trebb

WHOA for you. I am trailing you a bit-—15 and a half and counting. This plan for living is one that I am ever so grateful to have


14 posted on 03/17/2012 12:17:22 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: Linda Frances

You lack an understanding of AA. The whole point of the program and the book is to help one find a power greater than themselves.... a spiritual awakening if you will,,,, that will get and keep them sober. Perhaps your father was not ready to do the things asked of him before he joined the church. All of us who get sober find God in order to get and stay sober and live happy and meaningful lives


15 posted on 03/17/2012 12:20:15 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: Nifster

17 yrs and 51 weeks here. Keep up the good work. Gets a whole lot easier though once you’ve got a couple years behind you.


16 posted on 03/17/2012 12:20:39 PM PDT by cornfedcowboy (Trust in God, but empty the clip.)
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To: cornfedcowboy

14 years coming up in one week.
Many, many blessings, one of the most precious being my grandchildren having never seen me drunk.


17 posted on 03/17/2012 12:36:52 PM PDT by kanawa
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To: Sokol

I have always wondered why Alcoholics Anonymous uses the term “recovering alcoholic” when they don’t believe an alcoholic can recover.


18 posted on 03/17/2012 12:38:13 PM PDT by Fiji Hill (Io Triumphe!)
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To: reg45
“AA”! Is that Alcoholics Anonymous, African-American, Anti-Aircraft, people with small feet, women who are built like boys, or perhaps a book about batteries?

It could also be Associate of Arts, a two-year college degree.

19 posted on 03/17/2012 12:41:00 PM PDT by Fiji Hill (Io Triumphe!)
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To: cornfedcowboy

Ain’t that the truth. Looking back I can not believe I stayed sober those first two years....now almost 16 yrs sober and it still amazes me. So glad I was given the gift of desperation....


20 posted on 03/17/2012 12:42:26 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: RobFromGa

Ping


21 posted on 03/17/2012 12:43:46 PM PDT by kanawa
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To: Fiji Hill

Actually we use the term recovered....as in we have recovered from a seemingly hopeless state of mind and body. What we believe is that we cannot be CURED. There is a big difference.


22 posted on 03/17/2012 12:44:11 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: Fiji Hill
I have always wondered why Alcoholics Anonymous uses the term “recovering alcoholic” when they don’t believe an alcoholic can recover.

Because we are always in the process of recovery. It takes the rest of your life with diligence and commitment to stay sober.

Twenty three and half years without a drink because of AA.

When I started drinking it was not a moment that I wasn't thinking about drinking. Now I can days - even weeks without actually thinking about it.

23 posted on 03/17/2012 12:44:25 PM PDT by raybbr (People who still support Obama are either a Marxist or a moron.)
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To: raybbr

42 years last April 28th but whose counting Good job on all of you


24 posted on 03/17/2012 1:20:02 PM PDT by small business owner
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To: Sokol
"He was not anti-AA, but disagreed with many of the teachings such as ALWAYS being an alcoholic"

Ah, yes. Well, some of us have tried to hold on to our old ideas, but the result was nil until we let go absolutely. Sadly, I've seen way too many find reasons to opt out and seek an easier, softer way. It rarely ends well, which is one reason I've kept coming back for 39 years. Had a great meeting this morning. The fellowship is even better than FR. This day-at-a-time is looking good, (but I wish the Zags were doing better against OSU)

25 posted on 03/17/2012 1:26:06 PM PDT by Reo (the 4th Estate is a 5th Column)
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To: small business owner

16 and a half hours here.

(one day at a time)

};^)


26 posted on 03/17/2012 1:28:33 PM PDT by Roccus
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To: Sokol

Father Martin

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Joseph_Martin_(speaker)


27 posted on 03/17/2012 1:30:52 PM PDT by Roccus
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To: Roccus

We all started at one minute For most of us it is still a daily struggle


28 posted on 03/17/2012 1:37:51 PM PDT by small business owner
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To: Linda Frances

“He went to a Catholic church, but traditional & dead church”

What does “traditional & dead church” mean?

Were you looking for one less “traditional” than than the one Christ began?

Or, perhaps more “modern and entertaining”?


29 posted on 03/17/2012 1:59:27 PM PDT by G Larry (We are NOT obliged to carry the snake in our pocket and then dismiss the bites as natural behavior.)
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To: Sokol

Congratulations to all. I’m so inspired by all of you!


30 posted on 03/17/2012 2:21:07 PM PDT by hummingbird
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To: Roccus

16 and a half hours here.

(one day at a time)


At first I was kind of miffed at your comment. Then I got it. Cheers to you.


31 posted on 03/17/2012 2:36:14 PM PDT by cornfedcowboy (Trust in God, but empty the clip.)
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To: reg45

“people with small feet,”


Huh? Help me out here.


32 posted on 03/17/2012 2:37:32 PM PDT by cornfedcowboy (Trust in God, but empty the clip.)
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To: G Larry
I did not mean that as a slam on the Catholic Church. I went to Catholic grade and high school. That particular church was not teaching the word of God, was not telling us what telling us, or telling us in God's word how we are to live or asking us to look for God anywhere past the church doors. .....

I attend an Evangelical Church today where I learn God's word, how God told us to live, and where His word in alive in word and deed. No, I too do not care for churches looking to tickle your ears, I want my soul to be fed.

Sorry if I offended you. I'll be more careful with my wording.

33 posted on 03/17/2012 2:57:10 PM PDT by Linda Frances (Only God can change a heart, but we can pray for hearts to be changed.)
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To: cornfedcowboy

AA is a very small shoe size.


34 posted on 03/17/2012 3:04:20 PM PDT by reg45 (Barack 0bama: Implementing class warfare by having no class!)
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To: Nifster

Many people have said (and I sometimes agree) that I am not so much an example of sobriety, but a warning to others on how not to do it.

Early on I bent,broke, or ignored every suggestion in the big book.

I now have three ‘X’s on my chip. I consider it triple x sobriety. In all these years I have learned one lesson, and one lesson only;

“Don’t drink and go to meetings”


35 posted on 03/17/2012 3:05:49 PM PDT by maine yankee (I got my Governor at 'Marden's')
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To: cornfedcowboy

When people ask me;

“How long have you been sober ?”

My usual reply is;

“All day”


36 posted on 03/17/2012 3:08:12 PM PDT by maine yankee (I got my Governor at 'Marden's')
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To: hummingbird

Had an uncle who was an organized alcoholic. He got two weeks vacation every year. Never drank one bit until he started a vacation, then retired to the bedroom where he stayed and got rip-roaring drunk for the two weeks. He sobered up on the Friday before work, and when he went back never touched a drop until his next vacation. Damnest thing I ever saw.


37 posted on 03/17/2012 3:48:03 PM PDT by tenthirteen
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To: Nifster

Your probably right. He just never took God serious until he went to this church. I do know people who went to AA remained sober. My mom,my sister and I went to Alanon. Nice people.


38 posted on 03/17/2012 4:44:24 PM PDT by Linda Frances (Only God can change a heart, but we can pray for hearts to be changed.)
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To: Sokol

I witnessed first hand how hard it is to fight your way to the top. The most compassion people I know are recovering alcoholic. My dad was there anytime day or night when someone needed him. He gave so much, yet he always said he got much more than he gave.


39 posted on 03/17/2012 4:56:15 PM PDT by Linda Frances (Only God can change a heart, but we can pray for hearts to be changed)
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To: Linda Frances

42 1/2 years, by the grace of God. Who would have thought?


40 posted on 03/17/2012 5:24:01 PM PDT by rickyc
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To: rickyc

A big congratulations! Your right, by the grace of God.


41 posted on 03/17/2012 5:57:24 PM PDT by Linda Frances (Only God can change a heart, but we can pray for hearts to be changed)
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To: maine yankee

I reply “no thanks, I’ve already had enough to drink” sometimes when offered a drink or a glass of wine.


42 posted on 03/17/2012 7:09:32 PM PDT by cornfedcowboy (Trust in God, but empty the clip.)
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To: Nifster

15 is a great number. One old timer likes to collect statistics and he said that 95% of the folks who make 5 years and stay active in AA never drink again.


43 posted on 03/17/2012 7:53:09 PM PDT by trebb ("If a man will not work, he should not eat" From 2 Thes 3)
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To: cornfedcowboy; maine yankee

Depending on who is doing the offering, one of my favorites is, “No thanks...I’m allergic. When I drink alcohol I break out in the strangest places...Chicago...Boston...Florida...”


44 posted on 03/18/2012 6:26:09 AM PDT by Roccus
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To: maine yankee

Yup and you got em in the right order. ;)


45 posted on 03/18/2012 11:38:40 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: Linda Frances

Alanon, our sister organization, has much to teach those who will listen


46 posted on 03/18/2012 11:41:07 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: trebb

That is a believable number. I have noticed that of the folks who started when I did only a few of us made it to the first year, fewer still to the five year mark, and even less to 15. But those who stay sure develop tight bonds and are very protective of each other. They aren’t necessarily my ‘friends’ but there isn’t a one of them who wants to see me go get drunk.... and they are willing to help me stay sober.


47 posted on 03/18/2012 11:44:19 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: rickyc

Awesome.


48 posted on 03/29/2012 6:12:45 PM PDT by Sokol
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To: Sokol
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