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Why Did The DHS Just Order 450 Million Rounds Of .40 Caliber Ammunition?
word press ^ | 3/18/12 | The Centrist Point

Posted on 03/18/2012 7:35:41 PM PDT by Nachum

The Intel Hub alerts us to a shocking new defense contract entered by the Department of Homeland Security to secure a massive amount of ammunition, with the option for infinite supply, infinite delivery.

ATK Awarded Contract to Supply 450 Million Rounds of .40 Caliber Ammunition to the Department of Homeland Security

ATK has secured a major Indefinite Delivery/Indefinite Quantity deal to supply up to 450 million rounds of .40 caliber ammunition to the Department of Homeland Security.

The 1 year contract with four option years comes at a time when many Americans believe that DHS, along with certain aspects of the military, will soon turn their sights on the American people during some sort of martial law scenario.

“We are proud to extend our track record as the prime supplier of .40 caliber duty ammunition for DHS, ICE,” said Ron Johnson, the president of ATK’s Security and Sporting group,” reported a PR Newswire release.

The Department of Homeland Security has been extremely busy in the last few months.

(Excerpt) Read more at thecentristpoint.wordpress.com ...


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government
KEYWORDS: 2012; 40caliber; ammunition; atk; banglist; dhs; donttreadonme; govtabuse; nobama2012; obama; rounds; tyranny
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To: Ajnin
Oh, really? Just out of currently issued .40 caliber pistols? Would you mind informing us of the total # of feds currently on the rolls toting a .40 caliber weapon? We'd love to know. If there are so many .40 caliber toting feds that 450 million rounds is just a blip, I think that's interesting in itself, and certainly would, on a sheer numbers to population basis, be said to constitute the National Police our founding fathers so dreaded, feared and warned against.
51 posted on 03/18/2012 9:36:22 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Nachum

Likely ordered to arm the TSA. And any one of those morons will require a minimum 350,000 rounds to hit anything.


52 posted on 03/18/2012 9:37:58 PM PDT by Jay Santos CP ("Idiocracy"... It's no longer just a movie.)
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To: Travis McGee; tomdavidd; Freeper; Gvl_M3; Flotsam_Jetsome; Berlin_Freeper; Hotlanta Mike; ...
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Check out comment and Link at # 49... then see article.

Thanks, Travis McGee.

53 posted on 03/18/2012 9:54:25 PM PDT by LucyT
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To: Travis McGee
Yep. Passed it on as well...

I'm open to suggestions on how to remedy this.

54 posted on 03/18/2012 10:01:11 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)
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To: Travis McGee
Thanks, Travis. Glad yer in FLA ............................. FRegards
55 posted on 03/18/2012 10:03:06 PM PDT by gonzo ( Buy more ammo, dammit! You should already have the firearms ... FRegards)
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To: Nachum

[ Why Did The DHS Just Order 450 Million Rounds Of .40 Caliber Ammunition? ]

They are just preparing for Obamas second term..
You havn’t seen nothing YET!..

NO Newt..... Zero WINS..


56 posted on 03/18/2012 10:31:24 PM PDT by hosepipe (This propaganda has been edited to include some fully orbed hyperbole...)
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To: tacticalogic; 2ndDivisionVet; Travis McGee

“Sounds like a sign to buy .40s. If the SHTF, you’ll always know where you can find ammo.”

Liberator tactics bump.


57 posted on 03/18/2012 10:39:00 PM PDT by Yehuda (Muck Fislam and it's useful infidel - dhimmie supporters.)
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To: Travis McGee
I don't know what the actual numbers are in DHS and ICE, but there are 20k just in the Border Patrol. Every BP agent must qual every 3 months. Quals consist of 72 rounds just for the primary qual. This doesn't even account for ancillery mandatory quals such as night fire and various tactical quals. Just the primary quals in the Border Patrol represent around 100k rounds every 3/mo. Border Patrol Firearms Instructors alone fire between 10-30K rounds per year. The Border Patrol is just one agency among probably 20 agencies in DHS.

I don't think there is anything particularly nefarious about the ammo order, especially since it spans a five year period. However, the fact that we need that many feaking rounds just to train people properly clearly justifies your concern about an out of control government.

58 posted on 03/18/2012 10:47:23 PM PDT by Ajnin (Neca eos omnes. Deus suos agnocet!)
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To: Doomonyou
"That ain’t enough ammo with the amount of rifle ammo out there in real American hands. "

WE HAVE A WINNER!

59 posted on 03/18/2012 10:52:21 PM PDT by matthew fuller (A patriotic American would be ASHAMED to have 5 non-veteran adult sons.)
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To: meadsjn
"American citizens purchase more than One Billion rounds of ammo each month, every month, year after year. "

I don't disbelieve you for an instant, but do you have a source for that? I'm sure that I will be asked when I use it.

60 posted on 03/18/2012 10:57:06 PM PDT by matthew fuller (A patriotic American would be ASHAMED to have 5 non-veteran adult sons.)
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To: Flotsam_Jetsome

bfl.


61 posted on 03/18/2012 10:58:37 PM PDT by Flotsam_Jetsome (If not you, who? If not now, when?)
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To: lookout88

I was going to 9mm but it seems .40 is the better bet


62 posted on 03/18/2012 11:10:15 PM PDT by ebshumidors ( Marksmanship and YOUR heritage http://www.appleseedinfo.org)
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To: Travis McGee

I will send to bunches of people tomorrow.

Thank you.


63 posted on 03/18/2012 11:11:19 PM PDT by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell. Signed, a fanatic)
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To: Nachum

Ping me!


64 posted on 03/18/2012 11:24:12 PM PDT by eloy
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To: mnehring

.40 is still too much for some females.

But the standardization argument is valid. I saw it happen regularly in my dad’s police department. Over 20 years they went from .38 revolvers to ruger 9mm, to s&w 10mm, to glock .40s. They basically were following the lead of the state police and the fbi. Really hated giving up the 10mm.


65 posted on 03/18/2012 11:31:01 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: tacticalogic

Not a problem. There’s a Glock G23 on my hip as I write this. Also a G22 in the safe.


66 posted on 03/18/2012 11:31:31 PM PDT by MtBaldy (If Obama is the answer, it must have been a really stupid question)
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To: Nachum
[ Why Did The DHS Just Order 450 Million Rounds Of .40 Caliber Ammunition? ]

Coupon?

You ever seen the majority of these people shoot? Most couldn't hit the broadside of a barn. And if they did hit the broadside of a barn they'd squeal like little girls and throw their gun up in the air.

I was once at an indoor range and had a group of staties in the lane next to me. Three yards, THREE FREAKING YARDS, and they were barely on the target. I moved my target to three yards just so they could see how bad they really were.

67 posted on 03/19/2012 12:02:42 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (Democrats love direct democracy until it's time to vote on something. Then they scream for a judge)
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To: matthew fuller
Don't have a link, but I remember seeing the numbers discussed in articles during the Spring of 2009, when the monthly sales of small arms was around 1.2 Million per month. A few months ago, I had a spreadsheet of the NCIS checks for the past twelve years, and the low months were more than 850,000 when GWB was still in office. They've been consistently over one million per month since August 2008 for some reason.

I just can't imagine anyone picking up a new rifle without at least one box of 20; or a new pistol without at least one box of 50.

The discusion has come up on The High Road a few times over the years. Here's one link from there for 1997 data.

http://www.census.gov/prod/ec97/97m3329f.pdf . Table 6a on page 15 has the data for 1997

68 posted on 03/19/2012 1:00:42 AM PDT by meadsjn (Sarah 2012, or sooner)
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To: JRandomFreeper
450M rounds of pistol ammo is just stupid. Which is normal for our feral gooberment.

They use it in their sub-guns too (which I realize is only slightly better than what you said).

69 posted on 03/19/2012 1:13:16 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: yarddog
That works out to 45,000 rounds for each one, and that is probably a low guess.

So...applying normal LEO shooting percentages, they should each expect at least 10 hits!

70 posted on 03/19/2012 1:15:50 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: little jeremiah
What law enforcement agencies are under the aegis of the Dept. of Homeland Security? How many of those employees are armed?

Hell, these days the milk inspector carries and has full tac gear in the trunk. Them Swede dairy farmers can get fractious, dontcha know!

71 posted on 03/19/2012 1:18:21 AM PDT by Still Thinking (Freedom is NOT a loophole!)
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To: Cyclops08

No worries. The American public purchased over 9 billion rounds shortly before and including up to slightly over a year after Obama’s election. It was quite a story at the time but you don’t hear much about it now. Google it and I think you will find archived stories.


72 posted on 03/19/2012 2:03:29 AM PDT by MachIV
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To: Nachum

If it looks like obammy and the socialists are going to lose come November then look for this martial law grab. Along with military units searching to confiscate our guns.
Good luck with that.


73 posted on 03/19/2012 4:11:05 AM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) Hey Mitt, F-you too pal)
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To: Astronaut

I’m hoping against hope that our military will not follow illegal orders by this marxist Kenyan poser.


74 posted on 03/19/2012 4:12:28 AM PDT by Joe Boucher ((FUBO) Hey Mitt, F-you too pal)
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To: Travis McGee

The police dept. here in Austin, TX. recently required all officers to carry .40 S&W.

I thught it was sort of strange at the time.


75 posted on 03/19/2012 4:13:02 AM PDT by wolfcreek (‘closed eye’ mentality is the reason for our current reality)
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To: Doe Eyes

I D I Q contracts stand for “indefinite” not infinite.


76 posted on 03/19/2012 4:17:29 AM PDT by KC Burke (Newton's New First Law, Repeal and Restore!)
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To: Travis McGee
Did they run out of 10mm?


rhetorical question...of course.
77 posted on 03/19/2012 4:24:36 AM PDT by Tainan (Cogito, ergo conservatus sum)
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To: Nachum

Perhaps there’s only so many obama bucks left in the stash. Next comes obama rounds...


78 posted on 03/19/2012 4:53:55 AM PDT by Caipirabob (I say we take off and Newt the site from orbit. It's the only way to be sure...)
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To: Nachum

An army armed with pistol ammunition? Do they get out much?


79 posted on 03/19/2012 4:59:45 AM PDT by poobear
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To: Travis McGee
it's coming...
80 posted on 03/19/2012 5:01:45 AM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: LucyT; Travis McGee

Thanks for the ping; link. HOORAY Ann!


81 posted on 03/19/2012 5:22:31 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: Nachum

“Why Did The DHS Just Order 450 Million Rounds Of .40 Caliber Ammunition?”

To drive up ammo prices. Obama’s Regime may play at being economic illiterates, but they know the score when it comes to making We the People nervous.

That being said, can you put me on your ping list ?


82 posted on 03/19/2012 5:25:15 AM PDT by Absolutely Nobama (NO COMPROMISE! NO RETREAT! NO SURRENDER! I AM A CONSERVATIVE! CASE CLOSED!)
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To: Nachum

Could this be an effort to clog up the supply chain and deny supply to anyone else?


83 posted on 03/19/2012 5:45:41 AM PDT by tbw2
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To: Travis McGee

And the guard posts at the camps. Camps that I heard Glen Beck say did not exist.


84 posted on 03/19/2012 6:00:00 AM PDT by sport
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To: Ajnin

I can see why BP need to requal and train in a serious way. I get concerned when I read that every agency including the EPA and wildlife folks have giant SWAT Teams now. I get very worried when I read about the power-mad TSA Tsar Pistole pushing his “VIPR” program to put DHS Stasis in our bus and train stations and on street corners.

And I suppose they will all need thousands of rounds of .40 caliber for training and requal, and finally, for “operations.”

Certainly you can undestand our concern, going into the crucial 2012 elections, when we read about a new contract for 450 MILLION rounds of .40 caliber for the DHS?

What “war” is the DHS gearing up for?


85 posted on 03/19/2012 6:07:02 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee
What “war” is the DHS gearing up for?

search me, but maybe they are hoping body armor won't be a problem ....

86 posted on 03/19/2012 6:28:37 AM PDT by papertyger
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To: bamahead

incase you missed it PING


87 posted on 03/19/2012 6:32:08 AM PDT by TheConservativeParty ("Resistance to tyrants is obedience to God." T. Jefferson (I AM ANDREW BREITBART))
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To: poobear

“An army armed with pistol ammunition? Do they get out much?”

It’s for Bammy’s ‘civilian army’, and No - they don’t get out of the ghetto much.

Hint: Buy Birdman Products stock, ‘cause they make the famousn “Ghetto Glock” sights!


88 posted on 03/19/2012 6:49:20 AM PDT by GladesGuru (In a society predicated upon freedom, it is necessary to examine principles."...the public interest)
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To: Cyclops08

Sounds like nobody told DHS that when dealing with the bitter clingers in a 1776 solution distance is your friend. I’d be more upset if they had ordered 450 million rounds of 5.56.


89 posted on 03/19/2012 6:52:50 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: Travis McGee

As always, thanks for the ping and the link. Just when I think we’ll make it to November, Prezbo releases something else that gives me the willies.


90 posted on 03/19/2012 7:34:23 AM PDT by Vor Lady (Everyone should read The Importance of the Electoral College by Geo. Grant)
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To: GladesGuru

;D!

Nice to have a “Park” person on our side.

Signed, a Florida “Cracker” fourth generation.

No, that’s not a racist slur as you probably already know.


91 posted on 03/19/2012 7:56:53 AM PDT by poobear
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To: Travis McGee

If DHS were expecting to take delivery of all 450m rounds, that would still require several years to do that. I would be very impressed if any manufacturer could turn out 1m a day.


92 posted on 03/19/2012 8:06:53 AM PDT by CodeToad (I'm so right-wing if I lifted my left leg I'd go into a spin.)
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To: Nachum

Why indeed. They don’t want those on the border using ammunition.

This: Read it all

http://www.whitehouse.gov/the-press-office/2012/03/16/executive-order-national-defense-resources-preparedness

OT BTW, do you think it’s time for someone to step down?

https://twitter.com/#!/DMogahed/status/178411907450019840

More:

http://www.jihadwatch.org/2012/03/obamas-muslim-adviser-criticizes-assad-for-not-being-able-to-deliver-resistance-to-israel.html


93 posted on 03/19/2012 8:15:11 AM PDT by AliVeritas (God's will be done. Pray, Pray, Pray, Penance, Penance, Penance.)
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To: Nachum

Did anybody yet think that maybe this blog post is simply -wrong-??


94 posted on 03/19/2012 8:19:37 AM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us one chance in three. More tea anyone?)
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To: tacticalogic

“Sounds like a sign to buy .40s”

Yup


95 posted on 03/19/2012 8:20:00 AM PDT by READINABLUESTATE ("We must hang together, gentlemen...else, we shall most assuredly hang separately." - Franklin)
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To: Astronaut
Hussein Obama will not let the 2012 election stop his plans to make everyone a slave to the state

As if Romney is much better. The czars and other government minions are already in place so it will continue as planned no matter which snake oil salesman is in office.

96 posted on 03/19/2012 8:22:52 AM PDT by bgill (Romney & Obama are both ineligible. A non-NBC GOP prez shuts down all ?s on Obama's admin)
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To: Nachum

Winchester also got a contract from DHS for 200 million rounds of .40 caliber ammunition.


97 posted on 03/19/2012 8:23:13 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: nvscanman

A rifle can’t go everywhere, but a .40 hand gun just about can. It is a serious piece of armament.


98 posted on 03/19/2012 8:28:07 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: ctdonath2

Deer me!
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99 posted on 03/19/2012 8:29:04 AM PDT by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: Travis McGee; All

How many shooters do they have in the DHS???

450 million rounds...hmmmmm...

I still believe we have the numbers (and skills) to counter this escalating move on their part...

Personally, I’m getting tired of this Us vs. Them bullbutter...

I would like for it to go away, but its funny what causes people to get their bowels in an uproar...Its not really us, its the big “G” that knows what buttons to push to get a reaction out of us...

It is not time to go to gun yet...We still have the effective ability to inflict change upon the goobers we elect to represent us...

The day we lose that, and some feel it is time to take it to the next level...

We all lose...No matter what the numbers are...

I read this really neat novel a while back, and I’m re-reading it now...It illustrates the potential of the “just one more tragedy” senario...And how quickly it can turn against freedom...

I think most of us would make our stand and be proud to do so at that time...

The question is, will you stand up and be counted before they get a chance to act on impulse...

I can’t wait for November...


100 posted on 03/19/2012 8:42:44 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (I'm jus' sayin')
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