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Do you HATE Evolution? Black Student Throws a Fit in Florida Evolution Class
Cure Socialism ^ | March 22, 2012 | Jonathon Moseley

Posted on 03/22/2012 7:44:32 AM PDT by Moseley

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To: Dilbert San Diego

You mean you forgot about Ginny Thomas Clarence’s wife????

41 posted on 03/22/2012 8:44:32 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: Moseley

I’d also like to point out that two mating peacocks are gay...

Female peafowl are called peahens... So there might be even more to this..

42 posted on 03/22/2012 8:45:16 AM PDT by N3WBI3 (Ah, arrogance and stupidity all in the same package. How efficient of you. -- Londo Mollari)
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To: Talisker
"Hating" a law of nature, a fact seen a billion times a day around us, is idiotic.

Thanks for your clear and concise refutation of the author's argument!

What, after all, could be sillier than attacking a scientific explanation for an observed natural phenomenon merely because it causes some people to suffer self-esteem issues?


43 posted on 03/22/2012 8:47:02 AM PDT by alexander_busek
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To: xzins; Moseley; P-Marlowe; wmfights; betty boop; Quix; Buggman; metmom; boatbums
Evolution’s message to us all is: you’re probably worthless.

God’s message is: “For God so loved the world He gave his only begotten Son...”

Indeed, dear brother in Christ!

And if people don't wake up and stop listening to those who would do politics under the color of science, the result will be infanticide on top of abortion:

Steven Pinker, Harvard Professor of Psychology (a "soft" science) - recognized by the National Academy of Sciences with the Troland Award for an evolutionary basis for language - obviously influential and respected - rationalized infanticide in this New York Times article:

Neonaticide forces us to examine even that boundary. To a biologist, birth is as arbitrary a milestone as any other. Many mammals bear offspring that see and walk as soon as they hit the ground. But the incomplete 9-month-old human fetus must be evicted from the womb before its outsize head gets too big to fit through its mother's pelvis. The usual primate assembly process spills into the first years in the world. And that complicates our definition of personhood.

What makes a living being a person with a right not to be killed? Animal-rights extremists would seem to have the easiest argument to make: that all sentient beings have a right to life. But champions of that argument must conclude that delousing a child is akin to mass murder; the rest of us must look for an argument that draws a smaller circle. Perhaps only the members of our own species, Homo sapiens, have a right to life? But that is simply chauvinism; a person of one race could just as easily say that people of another race have no right to life.

Peter Singer - Princeton Professor of Bioethics (ahem...) well known for his animal liberation work has similar ideas about abortion:

Singer states that arguments for or against abortion should be based on utilitarian calculation which weighs the preferences of a woman against the preferences of the fetus. In his view a preference is anything sought to be obtained or avoided; all forms of benefit or harm caused to a being correspond directly with the satisfaction or frustration of one or more of its preferences. Since a capacity to experience the sensations of suffering or satisfaction is a prerequisite to having any preferences at all, and a fetus, at least up to around eighteen weeks, says Singer, has no capacity to suffer or feel satisfaction, it is not possible for such a fetus to hold any preferences at all. In a utilitarian calculation, there is nothing to weigh against a woman's preferences to have an abortion; therefore, abortion is morally permissible.

Similar to his argument for abortion, Singer argues that newborns lack the essential characteristics of personhood—"rationality, autonomy, and self-consciousness"[20]—and therefore "killing a newborn baby is never equivalent to killing a person, that is, a being who wants to go on living."[21]

By Pinker's argument there is no qualitative difference between a human and an insect and thinking there is a difference is tantamount to racism. And Singer would no doubt agree because animal liberation activists have a very low bar for what is autonomous, rational and self-conscience.

And then there is Richard Dawkins, Oxford zoologist and activist for atheism who had this to say about God:

The God of the Old Testament is arguably the most unpleasant character in all fiction: jealous and proud of it; a petty, unjust, unforgiving control-freak; a vindictive, bloodthirsty ethnic cleanser; a misogynistic, homophobic, racist, infanticidal, genocidal, filicidal, pestilential, megalomaniacal, sadomasochistic, capriciously malevolent bully.

And of course, Lewontin who is an evolutionary biologist and geneticist had this to say in his review of Sagan's book:

Our willingness to accept scientific claims that are against common sense is the key to an understanding of the real struggle between science and the supernatural. We take the side of science in spite of the patent absurdity of some of its constructs, in spite of its failure to fulfill many of its extravagant promises of health and life, in spite of the tolerance of the scientific community for unsubstantiated just-so stories, because we have a prior commitment, a commitment to materialism. It is not that the methods and institutions of science somehow compel us to accept a material explanation of the phenomenal world, but, on the contrary, that we are forced by our a priori adherence to material causes to create an apparatus of investigation and a set of concepts that produce material explanations, no matter how counter-intuitive, no matter how mystifying to the uninitiated. Moreover, that materialism is absolute, for we cannot allow a Divine Foot in the door. The eminent Kant scholar Lewis Beck used to say that anyone who could believe in God could believe in anything. To appeal to an omnipotent deity is to allow that at any moment the regularities of nature may be ruptured, that miracles may happen.

They are sowing the wind, they will reap the whirlwind.

Be not deceived; God is not mocked: for whatsoever a man soweth, that shall he also reap. - Gal 6:7

God's Name is I AM.

44 posted on 03/22/2012 8:49:17 AM PDT by Alamo-Girl
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To: Hegewisch Dupa
"Stuffin' Martha's Muffin" was another classic of Mojo and Skid Roper.

I first saw Mojo Nixon in San Diego in the mid-80s when he was with the Beat Farmers. "California Kid" and "Happy Boy" are classics.

45 posted on 03/22/2012 8:50:00 AM PDT by Joe Brower (Sheep have three speeds: "graze", "stampede" and "cower".)
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To: Moseley
Carr obviously perceives that BEING BLACK IS ASSUMED (by many) to be INFERIOR and that evolution means that men CHOOSE women based upon what is perceived to be SUPERIOR qualities.

That's what generations of Black "Leaders" have been telling people so why shouldn't she believe it to be true?

46 posted on 03/22/2012 8:50:36 AM PDT by Mike Darancette (Romney just makes me tired all over.)
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To: Moseley
...evolution teaches that this Black woman is INFERIOR to other women, to be discarded and rejected in the evolutionary march toward perfection.

This is not what biology teaches. This author is delusional.

47 posted on 03/22/2012 8:53:58 AM PDT by <1/1,000,000th%
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To: Moseley
Jonatha Carr must not have read:

48 posted on 03/22/2012 8:58:27 AM PDT by TexasCajun
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To: Talisker
Selective breeding is a good example".....

Of evolution? I suppose it depends on what you mean by evolution. Creationists don't have a problem with selective breeding but if you start with dogs, no matter how many generations you selectively breed, you still end up with a dog. Now if you could selectively breed to the point where you end up with something other than a dog, I'll be impressed.

49 posted on 03/22/2012 9:00:21 AM PDT by Teotwawki (To Him be the glory throughout all generations.)
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To: Joe Brower

Not like her name comes up on a daily (weekly, monthly, or really, even yearly) basis - but when ever it does, I can’t help thinking “I want to be IN Martha Quinn”

50 posted on 03/22/2012 9:00:45 AM PDT by Hegewisch Dupa
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To: Calvin Locke

I watched the video.
The white guy behind her should have punched her out.
A broken nose or crushed larynx would have calmed her down.
No one should be allowed to behave like that in public without retribution.
The sheeple college students just sit and laughed and filmed.
They should have stopped the behavior.

51 posted on 03/22/2012 9:01:03 AM PDT by 9422WMR (Life is not fair, just deal with it.)
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To: Moseley

I don’t mean to be cruel but your understanding of the principles of evolution is an ignorant caricature.

52 posted on 03/22/2012 9:01:17 AM PDT by DManA
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To: Talisker
"Evolution exists, like the law of gravity."


Evolution was taught thousands of years ago by Genesis and explained by the holy Fathers centuries before Darwin.

53 posted on 03/22/2012 9:08:53 AM PDT by Matchett-PI ("Andrew loved the battle and he knew the stakes." ~ Mark Levin 3/2/12)
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To: Dilbert San Diego

I have a good acquaintance type friend from Nigeria. She has
shown me some of the magazines they have down there, in English
no shows many white women who are married to
rich powerful black guess is that the LONG GREEN
(i.e. bucks) that is the most attractive color.

54 posted on 03/22/2012 9:11:46 AM PDT by Getready (Wisdom is more valuable than gold and diamonds, and harder to find.)
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To: qam1
'Whereas Christianity teaches the value and infinite worth of E V E R Y human being in God's eyes,'
Soooo Christian men don't look at looks or other charactericts when choosing a mate? Suuuuurrrrre!!!

Of course, all men, whether they have chosen to accept Christianity or not, are attracted to certain characteristics and features in a potential mate.

However, different men are often attracted to DIFFERENT types of women.

I have seen this clearly: Among all non-religious, non-Christian men, before I became a Christian, my fraternity brothers would enjoy the swimsuit episode of Sports Illustrated when it arrived from the mail man. It was amazingly clear how different guys liked VERY DIFFERENT women.

The women who turned my knees to jello, other frat guys would quickly dismiss as uninteresting, and flip the page. The women whom they were salivating over, meant absolutely nothing to me, and were not attractive to me at all. I could see the objective fact that those women were beautiful. But I felt nothing for those women, no interest or desire whatsoever.

What men are attracted to in a woman is DIFFERENT for different men. That is because God intended and planned for diversity.

But evolution assumes that there is only *ONE* "BEST" type of woman for evolutionary success.

Evolution convinces us that there is only a small circle of *BEST* women and all the rest are INFERIOR losers.

In reality, there are many different types of women, and different types of men interested in them.
55 posted on 03/22/2012 9:15:47 AM PDT by Moseley (
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To: xzins

“Evolution’s message to us all is: you’re probably worthless.
God’s message is: “For God so loved the world He gave his only begotten Son...””

Beautiful. Perfect. That goes a long way to help understand the differing behaviors of secular folks and Christians.

56 posted on 03/22/2012 9:19:32 AM PDT by MichaelCorleone (Stop feeding the beast; spend money only with those who support traditional American values.)
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To: Moseley

Wow, what a bunch of crock this editorial is.

Presuming to get into the mind of another human being, let alone one you don’t know having an irrational outburst? Talk about your political pandering.

This woman never articulated any of the suppositions this article makes, and is beligerent to everyone around her, including many other black women in the class.

This editorial is worthless. Whether you believe in evolution or not, this editorial is nothing more than political propoganda. Her screaming question of “Tell Me How Evolution Kills Black People” is so rediculous on its fact to try to argue it is because she percieves herself as a loser in lifes lottery because she was born black due to evolution is nonsense.

Someone forgets their meds, and its somehow an example of the evil of this or that... silliness.

57 posted on 03/22/2012 9:20:36 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: N3WBI3

excellent can drive one a bit nuts when
someone trys to “dumb-down” evolutionary scenarios so
that people can “believe” in the “truth” of microbes to
man evolution.
I still don’t know why orders of magnitude more
complex and energy çonsuming “meisois” developed, when mitosis
works so well, and the mitotic organisms are so successful
at survival(sometimes using bits of DNA from plasmids,viruses,
other bacterial fusion.

58 posted on 03/22/2012 9:27:20 AM PDT by Getready (Wisdom is more valuable than gold and diamonds, and harder to find.)
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To: Moseley

no, it is really bad to hate anything as Jesus told us to love our enemies! But I know evolution is a sophisticated type of mind control and I stand against it and I would never subject my children to it’s doubt inducing influence! Ever!

59 posted on 03/22/2012 9:28:39 AM PDT by fabian (" And a new day will dawn for those who stand long, and the forests will echo with laughter")
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To: Matchett-PI; Moseley; Alamo-Girl; spirited irish; metmom; YHAOS; exDemMom
"....Darwinists specifically do not believe in evolution, being that they reject its very possibility (i.e., directional change into an intrinsically higher state). Rather, they believe in change, a very different thing. In this regard, they are very much like progressives, who also believe in change, but not genuine progress, since their metaphysic abolishes any absolute standard by which real progress can be measured. ..."

Gagdad Bob's insight bears repeating. Indeed, to me, with this observation he nails the "bottom line" epistemic problem of Darwinist theory.

Darwinism holds that Nature uses natural selection to (blindly as it were) produce "better" or fitter species: Species change; they "progress." But absent an absolute standard or criterion of judgment, how can we speak of progress at all? It seems all we really can speak about is directionless change in directionless Nature....

But if Nature is directionless, then where do all its observable regularities come from?

Thanks so very much for the outstanding link, dear Matchett-PI!

60 posted on 03/22/2012 9:32:31 AM PDT by betty boop (We are led to believe a lie when we see with, and not through the eye. — William Blake)
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