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To: Moseley

Well, you have done a good job of convincing me that you are hopelessly and irreversibly scientifically illiterate.

I can’t even wrap my head around what you must believe the nature of the world and the universe are, with no physical laws, no constants... ugh.

Repeating nonsense that you read on some charlatan literal creationist advocacy site does not equate to discussing science. In order to discuss science, you must understand science in the first place.


291 posted on 03/31/2012 9:45:13 PM PDT by exDemMom (Now that I've finally accepted that I'm living a bad hair life, I'm more at peace with the world.)
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To: exDemMom
Well, you have done a good job of convincing me that you are hopelessly and irreversibly scientifically illiterate.

I can’t even wrap my head around what you must believe the nature of the world and the universe are, with no physical laws, no constants... ugh.

Repeating nonsense that you read on some charlatan literal creationist advocacy site does not equate to discussing science


But that IS science. And I learned that from advanced college-level science courses in secular, government universities.

One begins the study of science (if done properly) by understanding the assumptions upon which it is built and the limits of science's tools and inquiries.

However, modern, spoiled, politicized "scientists" promptly forget and ignore those assumptions and limitations. It is a fundamental principle of science, indeed logic, that you have to KNOW the limtations of your tool or methodology. If you apply it OUTSIDE its zone of validity, then what you get is nonsense. For example, there are complex equations which are valid only within a well-identified zone, and are gobbledegook outside of that zone of validity.

Just like geometry rests on unprovable assumptions or axioms, science also rests upon unprovable assumptions.

These are clearly understood and taught as the foundation of science -- but completely ignored by under-informed practitioners.

The key assumptions that science rests upon include the assumption that the laws of physics are constant over time and constant throughout space.

WHY? This begs the question: Who enacted the laws of physics? Who spoke those laws into existence?

The concept of uniform laws of physics throughout space and time is a fundamentally RELIGIOUS concept, resting upon an unstated assumption of a Creator God or Creator intelligence. Like the granddaughter who says in the city she gets her milk from a carton, after her grandfather shows how he milks a cow to get milk, those scientists don't wish to THINK ABOUT the question WHERE DID THE LAWS OF PHYSICS COME FROM?

However, if the universe began with a Big Bang explosion from an infinitessimally small point, expanding outward, why would it be assumed that the laws of physics, such as the speed of light or other "constants" are really constant?
296 posted on 04/02/2012 10:19:44 AM PDT by Moseley (http://www.curesocialism.com)
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