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More Obama Regulations….This Time Attacking American Farmers
Flopping Aces ^ | 03-22-12 | Curt

Posted on 03/22/2012 9:14:07 AM PDT by Starman417

“If the federal government can regulate the relationship
between parents and their children on their own family’s
farm there is virtually nothing off limits”

- Senator Jerry Moran

Just when I thought Obama's big government couldn't get more intrusive we have this: (h/t Gateway Pundit and Allen Wall)

The U.S. Department of Labor is proposing revisions to child labor regulations that will strengthen the safety requirements for young workers employed in agriculture and related fields. The agricultural hazardous occupations orders under the Fair Labor Standards Act that bar young workers from certain tasks have not been updated since they were promulgated in 1970.

The department is proposing updates based on the enforcement experiences of its Wage and Hour Division, recommendations made by the National Institute for Occupational Safety and Health, and a commitment to bring parity between the rules for young workers employed in agricultural jobs and the more stringent rules that apply to those employed in nonagricultural workplaces. The proposed regulations would not apply to children working on farms owned by their parents.

"Children employed in agriculture are some of the most vulnerable workers in America," said Secretary of Labor Hilda L. Solis. "Ensuring their welfare is a priority of the department, and this proposal is another element of our comprehensive approach."

The proposal would strengthen current child labor regulations prohibiting agricultural work with animals and in pesticide handling, timber operations, manure pits and storage bins. It would prohibit farmworkers under age 16 from participating in the cultivation, harvesting and curing of tobacco. And it would prohibit youth in both agricultural and nonagricultural employment from using electronic, including communication, devices while operating power-driven equipment.

The department also is proposing to create a new nonagricultural hazardous occupations order that would prevent children under 18 from being employed in the storing, marketing and transporting of farm product raw materials. Prohibited places of employment would include country grain elevators, grain bins, silos, feed lots, stockyards, livestock exchanges and livestock auctions.

Additionally, the proposal would prohibit farmworkers under 16 from operating almost all power-driven equipment. A similar prohibition has existed as part of the nonagricultural child labor provisions for more than 50 years. A limited exemption would permit some student learners to operate certain farm implements and tractors, when equipped with proper rollover protection structures and seat belts, under specified conditions.

The proposed rules only affect "hired farm workers," not those working on farms owned by their parents.

So that should make us all breath a sigh of relief for the American farm family right?

This just shows how much the Obamacrats are out of touch with America’s farm belt. In multi-generational farm families, you often have several siblings or other relatives living in close proximity. Parts of the operation may be owned by several family members. Some of the land may be rented. Some family farms are technically considered limited liability corporations or other such arrangements. It can get complicated.

Johnny might work on his dad’s farm, but he might also go right next door to his uncle’s property to work for him a few hours in the afternoon. These rule changes would make that traditional practice much more difficult.

Under these rules, kids wouldn’t get to drive (or sometimes even ride!) tractors. Typically, farm youngsters drive tractors from an early age. I did. My 14-year old nephew, an experienced tractor driver, tells me he started driving a tractor at about age 7 and was driving in the field by 9 or 10.

Not only do the new regulations prohibit the kids’ driving tractors, except under certain conditions, they can’t even ride the tractors!

Farm kids would also be restricted from working with livestock.

(Excerpt) Read more at floppingaces.net...


TOPICS: Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: familyfarms; farm; farmworkers; labor; obama; solis

1 posted on 03/22/2012 9:14:17 AM PDT by Starman417
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To: Starman417

To read later.


2 posted on 03/22/2012 9:16:44 AM PDT by Paperdoll (On the cutting edge)
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To: Starman417
Child labor laws are another payoff to the unions.

If you teach kids in their formative years that they aren't allowed to work, is it any surprise when they reach working age that they don't think they should have to?

3 posted on 03/22/2012 9:19:09 AM PDT by Joe the Pimpernel (Islam is a religion of peace, and Moslems reserve the right to slaughter anyone who says otherwise.)
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To: Starman417

It says (in the 2nd paragraph): “The proposed regulations would not apply to children working on farms owned by their parents.”

So I am not sure what the big alarm is and what this has to do with the quote under the photo which talks about regulating the relationship between parents and their children on their own family’s farm.


4 posted on 03/22/2012 9:21:54 AM PDT by Apple Pan Dowdy (... as American as Apple Pie mmm mmm mmm)
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To: Starman417

Its really an assault on food production. There will be disastrous consequences from this.

Scarce farm labor will already be made even more scarce. Who will it benefit? Illegals? Unions? Will they benefit at all? Food production will be hurt BIG TIME by this, and I can’t believe the apparatchiks in DC don’t already know this.

I used to read about the Ag. policies of the Soviet Union and China and naively think, “how could they be so stupid?” I realized only much later that their policies weren’t about new ways of production or efficiency - they were all about control and politics.

Obama is no different.


5 posted on 03/22/2012 9:23:50 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: Starman417

Energy production, farming, and manufacturing are as necessary to a nation as air, water, and food are for the body.

They’re being gang raped by every federal agency that can find a reason.


6 posted on 03/22/2012 9:25:06 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Starman417

I don’t think the vast majority of American farmers even care what Hilda Soliz has to say about the way they operate their businesses. Whether it be family or private.


7 posted on 03/22/2012 9:25:15 AM PDT by 3rdcoastislander (Northern Mexico......aka South Texas.....)
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To: Apple Pan Dowdy

What about a kid who wants to run a COMBINE on a neighboring farm when s/he is 16? What about a kid who wants to cut neighbors lawns?


8 posted on 03/22/2012 9:27:32 AM PDT by goodnesswins (2012..."We mutually pledge our Lives, our Fortunes, and our Sacred Honor")
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To: Apple Pan Dowdy
So I am not sure what the big alarm is and what this has to do with the quote under the photo which talks about regulating the relationship between parents and their children on their own family’s farm.

I believe that a farm that has incorporated is no longer considered a family farm and is already subject to child labor laws. That may not seem like much of a distinction but any farm larger than a few acres of subsistence farming incorporates as a business.
9 posted on 03/22/2012 9:29:22 AM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Apple Pan Dowdy

And, furthermore, Go read the article...


10 posted on 03/22/2012 9:29:46 AM PDT by goodnesswins (2012..."We mutually pledge our Lives, our Fortunes, and our Sacred Honor")
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To: Starman417
"Children employed in agriculture are some of the most vulnerable workers in America," said Secretary of Labor Hilda L. Solis. "Ensuring their welfare is a priority of the department, and this proposal is another element of our comprehensive approach."

Government loves and cares more for our children than us parents do.

I ponder any time I hear "we are a free country" these days.

11 posted on 03/22/2012 9:30:03 AM PDT by EGPWS (Trust in God, question everyone else)
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To: Apple Pan Dowdy

Read at around paragraph 8:

“In multi-generational farm families, you often have several siblings or other relatives living in close proximity. Parts of the operation may be owned by several family members.”

So, brothers, sisters, uncles, cousins, aunts, in-laws, and grandparents would be subject to the new regulations.

That could definitely hamper operations on a “family” farm.


12 posted on 03/22/2012 9:30:27 AM PDT by CharlesThe Hammer
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To: Starman417

I’m in the middle of $7000 and acre corn belt midwest and
this is pissing people off big time. It’s one of the main
topics of local radio. Nothing unusual to see a petite blond
high school girl who isn’t old enough to get a drivers
license driving a monster 8 wheel tractor down the road.


13 posted on 03/22/2012 9:30:50 AM PDT by CrazyIvan (Obama's birth certificate was found stapled to Soros's receipt.)
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To: Starman417

What about 4-H Club livestock projects.

These people are certifiably insane. If more kids grew up on a farm they would learn how to work and wouldn’t be looking for hand outs. I was driving a tractor as soon as my feet and legs could work the pedals

Makes me want to scream!


14 posted on 03/22/2012 9:37:14 AM PDT by cork
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To: Starman417

I was working in dark leaf tobacco when I was in my early teens (early 60’s) on farms not owned by my parents. We used to get off a couple of weeks from the start of school, as I remember, to harvest the tobacco (backbreaking work). Not much pay, basically a few bucks, lunch, and plenty of water to drink. We got a new pair of coveralls every year at Christmas. By the end of the harvest they would stand up on their own because of the tar. Thats why I never smoked.


15 posted on 03/22/2012 9:45:46 AM PDT by OrioleFan (Republicans believe every day is July 4th, Democrats believe every day is April 15th.)
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To: cork

My 4-H project consisted of raising 200-400 chickens each year. Ran it like a business. Sold a lot of pullits and eggs to local families.


16 posted on 03/22/2012 9:51:55 AM PDT by OrioleFan (Republicans believe every day is July 4th, Democrats believe every day is April 15th.)
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To: Starman417

Say good bye to 4-H and FFA.


17 posted on 03/22/2012 9:52:14 AM PDT by bgill
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To: Starman417

My 15 year old granddaughter is better with a Bobcat and
tractor than most men 20-70, I’d be willing to bet.


18 posted on 03/22/2012 9:55:29 AM PDT by Fireone (Elect a patriot, elect Newt! (did I mention FUBO?))
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To: cripplecreek

Every profitable family farm is a family corporation.


19 posted on 03/22/2012 10:02:23 AM PDT by nuke rocketeer (File CONGRESS.SYS corrupted: Re-boot Washington D.C (Y/N)?)
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To: Starman417

bfl


20 posted on 03/22/2012 10:11:13 AM PDT by tutstar (MWant pings to Aaron Klein articles and OWS nonsense?)
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To: Starman417

Gee Whiz...I was 13 years old and was able to make 5 Cents a quart picking strawberries on an area farm. This was in the 50’s. I was pleased to have the spending money.

I can’t believe where this country is going. I was raised in an average middle class home. We weren’t needy. But I wanted to make some money on my own. No one made me do it. Today....I would not be allowed to do this. What kind of nation is this?


21 posted on 03/22/2012 10:15:42 AM PDT by Dudoight
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To: Joe the Pimpernel
I started working when I was eight.
By ten, I bought my Mom's first car. (even taught her to drive it)
By twelve, I bought my first apartment building.
By twenty five, I paid for my five brothers to go to college. (four conservatives and one lib)
By thirty, I went to college for ME.
By forty, I started my own firm.

And NOW, 0pansy is beating me into the mud with his crap. I have worked my butt off and 0pansy is hell bent on........

22 posted on 03/22/2012 10:17:29 AM PDT by redshawk (0pansy is a Liar)
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To: Starman417

This should be fun to watch...sorta like the revenooers coming to town. Gonna be impossible to enforce and I don’t know a lot of people who would even try to enforce it. When the cows need milked I guess there will be an agent there checking for Birth Certificates. I guess they could get around it by telling the govt they were just going into the barn for a campaign speech and not to actually milk the cow.

For those who don’t think you need equipment to milk a cow try mucking out the barn when your done without a Bobcat. See you round midnight.


23 posted on 03/22/2012 10:17:46 AM PDT by Pafreedom
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To: Starman417

You know...this is not just an attack on American farmers...this is an attack on socio cultural values where a kid could earn extra money not ‘handed’ to him/her. There is more behind this type of regulation than meets the eye.


24 posted on 03/22/2012 10:18:58 AM PDT by Dudoight
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To: Starman417

A lot of young boys around here spend their summers working on farms to earn extra money.Many start at 13 or 14 throwing hay or helping drive equipment during harvest.These are not family cars they work on but farms that know many of these kids otherwise won’t have a lot of money for school clothing or for extras like having cash for insurance so they can have a car.Things their families just can’t afford to provide.This will hurt many of those kids.


25 posted on 03/22/2012 10:54:57 AM PDT by chris_bdba
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To: Starman417

Jimmy! Feed the dog!

Sorry, Mom... Under Federal regulations, I am not permitted to work with the livestock. You’ll have to do it yourself.

Oh, and cleaning up after Fido... That is definitely against the rules!


26 posted on 03/22/2012 11:09:11 AM PDT by Haiku Guy ("The problem with Internet Quotes is that you never know if they are real" -- Abraham Lincoln)
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To: CharlesThe Hammer

Back when I was a kid, you could drive anything without a license plate on the roads from 12-years-old and up. The one rule was that you had to be going from one farm to another.

You can bet we kids knew the name of every farm in the area, so no matter where we were, we could say we were between this one and that one.


27 posted on 03/22/2012 11:19:12 AM PDT by Haiku Guy ("The problem with Internet Quotes is that you never know if they are real" -- Abraham Lincoln)
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To: Haiku Guy; Starman417
Enjoy a nice cartoon...
28 posted on 03/22/2012 11:22:35 AM PDT by Pete-R-Bilt (I love guns... and coffee!)
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To: Apple Pan Dowdy

Growing up in a small rural town,(I was a town kid) I made a lot of money working for various farmers(Mers). In the spring, I’d be picking rock and in the summer and in the fall bailing hay, with some milking and other barn related chores mixed in.
Under these rules that would no longer be an option.


29 posted on 03/22/2012 12:01:38 PM PDT by READINABLUESTATE ("We must hang together, gentlemen...else, we shall most assuredly hang separately." - Franklin)
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To: goodnesswins; cripplecreek; CharlesThe Hammer; READINABLUESTATE

I DID read the article, goodwins, did you? I merely pointed out that it does our side no good to exaggerate and get our facts wrong. I pointed out that the huge quote under the photo said: “If the federal government can regulate the relationship between parents and their children on their own family’s farm there is virtually nothing off limits”. Then I asked what this had to do with not allowing kids to work on their own family farm. Senator Jerry Moran would do better to point to the real threat of this legislation rather than pointing to something that has nothing to do with it.

CharlesThe Hammer, you are right that many farms are owned by aunts, uncles, etc (family)...... if they are smart, they will not officially “hire” the kids, they will allow them to work, then give them “gifts”. Meanwhile, if we want to stop this non-sense legislation, let’s hammer the real issue!


30 posted on 03/22/2012 4:08:24 PM PDT by Apple Pan Dowdy (... as American as Apple Pie mmm mmm mmm)
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To: PGR88

It’s all about control. The more government can control, ie our food sources, the more of a strangle-hold government will have on us. Our healthcare, our food, our jobs....our very survival will ALL be up to Big Government leftists.

At least, that’s their plan. Romney’s got another plan for their @ss....lol.


31 posted on 10/05/2012 9:55:29 AM PDT by XenaLee (The only good commie is a dead commie.)
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