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Lord Monckton: ‘I’m no birther,’ but Obama birth certificate ‘plainly a forgery’
The Daily Caller ^ | March 22, 2012 | Jeff Poor

Posted on 03/23/2012 5:18:46 AM PDT by iontheball

On Dennis Miller’s radio show Thursday Lord Christopher Monckton, a former policy adviser to British Prime Minister Margaret Thatcher and an activist against global warming “alarmism,” went all-in on questioning President Barack Obama’s citizenship.

Monckton, the 3rd Viscount Monckton of Brenchley, hinted about his position on the issue in April 2010 at a tea party rally on the National Mall near the White House. But on Miller’s show, he said the birth certificate issue was far more important that combatting so-called anthropogenic global warming.

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TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: birthcertificate; certifigate; lordmonckton; monckton; naturalborncitizen; obama
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1 posted on 03/23/2012 5:18:54 AM PDT by iontheball
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To: iontheball

Anybody who has worked with Adobe Illustrator and similar programs knows perfectly well that the certificate as offered is bogus.


2 posted on 03/23/2012 5:20:05 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: iontheball

Monckton for President of the U.S.

(I can dream, can’t I?)


3 posted on 03/23/2012 5:23:49 AM PDT by Méabh
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To: iontheball

“Miller protested by saying he disagreed with the suggestion that Obama has a fraudulent birth certificate. But Monckton dug in his heels.”

Any questioning of the one’s BC automatically triggers a response like this from anyone in the media, especially ones that are perceived as conservative. I’m surprised Monckton’s comment wasn’t cut in the 5 second delay. Ted Baxter would be proud.

I agree with Monte Kuligowski in today’s American Thinker article. These people in the media will be remembered as cowards when the history is written. That goes for all my favorite conservative radio hosts including the great one.


4 posted on 03/23/2012 5:38:13 AM PDT by sox_the_cat
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To: sox_the_cat

They have all been told their career will be over if they mention it on the air.

I bet I know the exact day they were all given the word. They all stopped mentioning it at the same time.

One show host I listened to was it talking about the birth certificate every day and then abruptly announced that it would no longer be discussed on the show. Period. Callers kept trying to bring it up and the host would get hysterical and cut them off.

Even Rush, when he talks about the BC, he doesn’t talk about it directly. He might mention that someone else was making an issue of it and they says explicitly that he isn’t talking about the BC, no - he is talking about someone else and their problem with it.


5 posted on 03/23/2012 5:45:24 AM PDT by ladyjane
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To: ladyjane
I bet I know the exact day they were all given the word. They all stopped mentioning it at the same time.

I'm curious as to when you think that was, April 27, 2011?

ML/NJ

6 posted on 03/23/2012 5:52:31 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: iontheball

Dennis Miller is among the last people I’d have thought would have survived his first brief encounter with celebrity.


7 posted on 03/23/2012 5:53:20 AM PDT by the invisib1e hand ("exterminate the bolshevicks...")
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To: Méabh

Oh the ironry;)

BO’s father was a British subject and hated the British influence in Kenya. BO returns Churchill’s bust; has not been a pro-UK POTUS.

It is delusional to believe that BO’s ineligibility as POTUS has not been thoroughly discussed and documented by historians, the judiciary, elected officials, media titans on both the left & the right. Their findings and silence indicates the truth would be too explosive to divulge.

Everyone in the media has been warned to ‘stand down’. There is no other explanation for the lack of Woodward/Bernstein Pulitzer wannabes.

JMHO


8 posted on 03/23/2012 5:54:11 AM PDT by sodpoodle (Newtrition - soul food for a starving America.)
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To: ladyjane
They have all been told their career will be over if they mention it on the air.

Or worse. RIP Andrew Breitbart.

9 posted on 03/23/2012 5:54:26 AM PDT by ILS21R (John Locke: When the social contract is broken, the people must revolt.)
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To: ml/nj

Obama has been on the campaign trail making jokes about his birth certificate. We’ll see who has the last laugh.


10 posted on 03/23/2012 5:54:46 AM PDT by jersey117 (The Stepford Media should be sued for malpractice)
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To: ladyjane

I’d like to see all of them start talking about it at once relentlessly. Sheriff Arpaio all over the radio, nonstop. Are they going to go after all of them? How do they get them? Do they go after the advertisers, station owners or the shows themselves?

And the fact Obama’s making jokes about this should infuriate them.


11 posted on 03/23/2012 5:57:44 AM PDT by sox_the_cat
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To: Méabh

When it comes to honest, legitimacy, intelligence, and just about any other important issue that would be important, it doesn’t take long to figure who would be preferable.


12 posted on 03/23/2012 5:59:56 AM PDT by wita
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To: Travis McGee

But nooo...there are folks here who will insist that the multiple layering is a natural artifact of a single scan, never mind that the hex edits of those various layers show DIFFERENT time stamps. Nothing to see. Move along.


13 posted on 03/23/2012 6:00:25 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (Sofa King Mitt Odd Did Obamneycare)
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To: Sirius Lee

Explain the different time stamps.

Because I instantly thought the thing was a forgery too, until I saw a guy rather convincingly generate similar layered files from a flat scan with the optimize pdf command I think it was.

Now I don’t know what to think.


14 posted on 03/23/2012 6:06:18 AM PDT by Claud
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To: iontheball

Monckton and Arpaio give this issue new life - since they both have credibility on other issues and an interest in other issues - their fascination with the certificate could gain traction.

I have always felt like Monckton does about it - which is - I have absolutely no way to know and no inclination to spend time finding out - but the thing on the internet is bogus.


15 posted on 03/23/2012 6:06:56 AM PDT by C. Edmund Wright
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To: sodpoodle
Everyone in the media has been warned to ‘stand down’. There is no other explanation for the lack of Woodward/Bernstein Pulitzer wannabes.

Exactly. Easily the most egregious fraud foisted on America in political history and all we hear from the media is silence, occasionally a cricket chirping, nothing more.
I remember the Watergate break in during the Nixon years. The media was unrelenting, week after week for months, then years, new revelations ... another layer of the onion stripped away until they had there man. After Nixon resigned the media went into self congratulatory mode, even a movie about Woodward/Bernstein & the Washington Post. If I recall correctly WP editor Ben Bradlee played himself in the movie.

16 posted on 03/23/2012 6:13:21 AM PDT by BluH2o
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To: Sirius Lee

No honest evaluation of the COLB presented will conclude other than it is a “conjured” document. The only possible conclusion is that there is NO Original document. Some say the original exists but something so damaging is on it which would prevent him ever being in office. If that were the case all that would need to have been edited was the offending segment. This is an incredibly hacked document. A very poor forgery.


17 posted on 03/23/2012 6:13:57 AM PDT by Texas Fossil (Government, even in its best state is but a necessary evil; in its worst state an intolerable one)
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To: sox_the_cat
Miller protested by saying he disagreed with the suggestion that Obama has a fraudulent birth certificate.

That's not exactly what happened.

Miller did seek to dissociate himself from Monckton's initial comment with a fuzzy "Not me," by saying that he didn't believe the "Kenyan birth certificate" was real. When Monckton continued saying that he wasn't saying the Obama was born in Kenya but only that the BC put up on the Internet last April was clearly fraudulent. Miller playing the good foil asked, "Why do you say the," and then allowed Monckton to go on about layers and the Arpaio investigation. In the linked recording, at least, Miller NEVER disagreed with the assertion that the Internet BC is fraudulent.

I'M not sure why Monckton says he's not a "birther." I don't know what a "birther" is if it's not someone who suggest that the official Obama birth narrative is suspect.

ML/NJ

18 posted on 03/23/2012 6:15:42 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: ILS21R

People though they were voting for hope, change and fuzzy kittens and puppies. What they are increasingly getting is Putin’s old KGB.


19 posted on 03/23/2012 6:18:58 AM PDT by Truth29
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To: ml/nj

No, it wasn’t April 27, 2011. It was probably a year before that.

It was very odd. Even the local conservative talk show host abruptly announced that the topic was off-limits and would plead with callers to stop mentioning it. His reaction was so strong it sounded like his life depended on it. They all stopped at that time.


20 posted on 03/23/2012 6:20:56 AM PDT by ladyjane
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To: ml/nj

I think that is actually an interesting rhetorical strategy:

“Of course I’m not a birther, and I’m sure obama has a real birth certificate somewhere. My only point is that the one that he showed us is plainly a forgery.”

I sort of like that. You’d get a slightly larger audience as compared with the full-on birther strategy....


21 posted on 03/23/2012 6:22:00 AM PDT by ConservativeDude
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To: Claud
Time stamps:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIsQJNTvlUE

22 posted on 03/23/2012 6:31:31 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (Sofa King Mitt Odd Did Obamneycare)
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To: Claud
Because I instantly thought the thing was a forgery too..

Trust your gut.

23 posted on 03/23/2012 6:34:08 AM PDT by ILS21R (John Locke: When the social contract is broken, the people must revolt.)
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To: Sirius Lee
Time stamps:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SIsQJNTvlUE

Thanks, I was looking for that.

24 posted on 03/23/2012 6:35:32 AM PDT by ILS21R (John Locke: When the social contract is broken, the people must revolt.)
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To: BluH2o

The one difference between the Post reporting of the Watergate crap was they had an inside source from the FBI feeding them details of the ongoing investigation. Other media built their stories around their info and made up stuff when they needed to do so. So far, no one has come out saying they were the one who forged the document or the selective service cards. Of course, there is no investigation either except for Sheriff Joe’s.

Give the media credit, they managed to turn a second rate burglary allegedly focused on obtaining details of a prostitution ring run out of the dem party HQ into a coup d’etat. With the turd’s BC, a second rate forgery is being ignored. One would think if it eventually does break, whomever signed onto quashing the news coverage or abetted the use of the forgery would go to prison but that is as likely now as me becoming pope.

Ben Bradley in the Watergate movie saga all the president’s men was played by Jason Robards.


25 posted on 03/23/2012 6:36:24 AM PDT by Mouton (Voting is an opiate of the electorate. Nothing changes no matter who wins..)
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To: iontheball

What exactly is wrong with being a birther?

It’s simply a term for people who don’t believe Obama was born here.

He seems to have born in Kenya. Raised during his formative years in Indonesia, as a practicing Muslim. He’s got lawyers preventing his birth records from being seen, for both of those reasons.

What’s to be embarrassed about saying so.


26 posted on 03/23/2012 6:41:59 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network ("The door is open" PALIN 2012)
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To: BluH2o

Once he’s out of office - the competition for books, movies and confessions will begin.

I hope the American public will be appropriately outraged.


27 posted on 03/23/2012 6:44:48 AM PDT by sodpoodle (Newtrition - soul food for a starving America.)
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To: Travis McGee

Yes indeed there is no way a scanned original to PDF could have the layers it has, had it not been altered.

Why the forger did this can only be one of two reasons:

1. Really careless.
2. Wanted us to see that it was a forgery.

I find it intriguing that Sheriff Arpaio has alluded to having a lead on the forger. Maybe the forger is patriotic?


28 posted on 03/23/2012 6:46:34 AM PDT by Hostage (Be Breitbart!)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

“What exactly is wrong with being a birther?”
“What’s to be embarrassed about saying so.”

Nothing, other than creating a false association with a fabricated environment of fringe, fear and extremism to shape public opinion, i.e. propaganda.

It’s simply primitive name calling:

Racist!
Homophobe!
Xenophobe!
Nativist!
Right Wing Extremist!
Birther!


29 posted on 03/23/2012 6:53:12 AM PDT by Hostage (Be Breitbart!)
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To: sodpoodle

Books are already available, but Hollywood will never tell the truth about little barry soetoro.


30 posted on 03/23/2012 6:53:26 AM PDT by Sioux-san
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To: sodpoodle

Books are already available, but Hollywood will never tell the truth about little barry soetoro.


31 posted on 03/23/2012 6:53:26 AM PDT by Sioux-san
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To: Hostage

“So?”


32 posted on 03/23/2012 6:56:42 AM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network ("The door is open" PALIN 2012)
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To: sox_the_cat

And the Godfather, although he has broached the BC issue a lot more than any of the other sane talk show hosts (note, put the sane qualifier because of Savage.)


33 posted on 03/23/2012 6:58:25 AM PDT by FreeAtlanta (Liberty and Justice for ALL)
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To: C. Edmund Wright

Arpaio is even more credible because he has found fraud in other documents beyond the BC.


34 posted on 03/23/2012 7:06:47 AM PDT by Hostage (Be Breitbart!)
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To: jersey117

He behaves like someone who is guilty of something and flaunts it because of his guilt. It is an odd psychological condition that afflicts many people.

It is almost self-destructive behavior, but he is pretty safe. No one with the power has the spine to remove him from office.

Clinton had a similar psychological disorder with all his scandals. He loved to get into trouble, flaunt it and then get away with it.


35 posted on 03/23/2012 7:07:08 AM PDT by FreeAtlanta (Liberty and Justice for ALL)
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To: Hostage

If this were one of the GOP candiates, MSM would go ballistic.


36 posted on 03/23/2012 7:08:55 AM PDT by Dante3
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To: Sirius Lee

Thanks for the look at the hex edit video/youtube. It looks to me that that analysis was done on the short form document. Is that correct?

Do you know of a look at the hex edit records on the WH LFCOLB.PDF?

How is access to that hex edit log available? (Can i look at it myself?)

TIA

3


37 posted on 03/23/2012 7:10:26 AM PDT by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: ml/nj
-- I don't know what a "birther" is if it's not someone who suggest that the official Obama birth narrative is suspect. --

Everybody gets to define "birther" for themselves. Those who say "I'm not a birther" usually mean they don't subscribe to Obama being born in Kenya.

Out of those who believe Obama is ineligible, there are several bases for their conclusion. I think Obama does not meet the constitutional requirement of "natural born citizen" just because his father was not, never became, and never intended to become a US citizen. I also wonder about Barack Jr.'s adoption by Soetero and resulting assignment of citizenship. I flat out don't think he's eligible, and concluded that years ago. Disappointed but not surprised that Congress and the Courts are AWOL - same with the media enablers.

38 posted on 03/23/2012 7:10:59 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: BluH2o

Actually the media was quiet about Nixon at first until it was clear he was covering up. His duplicity along with release of the Pentagon Papers and a panoply of other things gave the coverup story legs and then the media was relentless.

I am hoping that Sheriff Arpaio can influence a Grand Jury to convene and force Obama into court to defend himself against all the evidence. Then I think we see this story get legs and take off.

But I want to be there to see O’Reilly and a hundred other prominent media types and also elected official eat crow when the ‘Birthers’ are proven right.

“I did not have sex with that woman ... Ms. Lewinsky!”

Yeah, sure.


39 posted on 03/23/2012 7:19:10 AM PDT by Hostage (Be Breitbart!)
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To: Cboldt

If I were a Judge (and honest judge who loves and believe in the U.S. Constitution), having spent my life getting to the honorable position, I would not be able to look in the mirror if I caved on a fundamental issue like this.

It is an issue that an honest judge should be willing to sacrifice everything to handle it right, not expediently.

I don’t think we have any honest judiciary in our nation for possibly the first time in the existence of our republic.


40 posted on 03/23/2012 7:20:35 AM PDT by FreeAtlanta (Liberty and Justice for ALL)
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To: Cringing Negativism Network

I forgot one:

Hater!


41 posted on 03/23/2012 7:21:11 AM PDT by Hostage (Be Breitbart!)
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To: sox_the_cat

I think we give people like Dennis Miller more conservative cred than he deserves just because he finally saw the light about who the bad guys were after 9/11. A nice Neo-Con who is now hot for war but on most other issues still a Lib at heart.

I heard the interview with Monckton last night and couldn’t believe my ears that he got to blurt out so much great stuff like the fraudulent birth certificate and AGW scam. Dennis maintained that he doesn’t know whether AGW is true, but he sure is enjoying the early spring and lack of snow no matter what the reason is. Thank goodness Monckton knows his stuff because he responded exactly as I hoped and let Dennis know that Europe has just had one of the coldest winters - “Climate is what you expect and Weather is what you get” - great quote from Monckton.

So, Dennis, do your homework better or quit giving us your opinion as if you are the last word on moderation(same for all the other cowardly lions out there).


42 posted on 03/23/2012 7:21:41 AM PDT by Sioux-san
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To: FreeAtlanta
-- I don't think we have any honest judiciary in our nation for possibly the first time in the existence of our republic. --

I don't cast my disdain that wide. The rank dishonesty depends on the issue. On Barack Obama's eligibility, and on the right to keep and bear arms, I agree, the federal and some state judiciaries are nearly totally corrupt.

But if youhave the misfortune of being in court to litigate a contract dispute, or most personal injury issues, the courts do a pretty good job of sifting through the evidence and reaching the correct conclusion.

43 posted on 03/23/2012 7:27:43 AM PDT by Cboldt
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To: ILS21R

Any skeptic who questions the whole birth story including the inauthenticity of all documents posted on the ‘Net has been dubbed a “Birther” - but the Media Goons carry that in another direction to “anyone who doubts that Barry Soetoro was born in America.” I have no idea where Barry was born. NO one does, and that’s the point. I think his babydaddy is some black guy that Stanley was dating while in high school in Seattle. So, that would make Barry a natural born citizen. No way Obama of Kenya is the babydaddy - he was a willing co-conspirator to the scam, which should surprise no one.


44 posted on 03/23/2012 7:29:52 AM PDT by Sioux-san
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To: Travis McGee
Travis, you are just too judgemental!

That digitally pasted copy of abstracts of different bits of data "on file," with the HIDOH was pretty darn good, if you ask me. Especially for a home job. Although I suspect that nice lady at Kinko's may have helped with the official looking green pattern paper.

"Sure, Ms. DMV Clerk, I have a title for that '54 MGTF... and here it is!"
"By golly, here's the deed to the ranch, Gene. Looks like I own it after all!"
"Well lookee here (not over there), Li'l Barry's Hawaii Birth Certificate!"
Never can tell what'll turn up in Grampa Dunham's little tin box. Your problem is an overly suspicious mind.

My Congressman (R) says "Obama was born in Hawaii," and he ought to know, right? Get with the program.

45 posted on 03/23/2012 8:07:36 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk ((So, you're telling me Scalia, Alito, Thomas, and Roberts can't figure out this eligibility stuff?))
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To: iontheball
Obama is inligible to be President.

That means everything he's done is invalid.

including Obamacare,

including the appointments of Kagan and Sotomayor,

including the takeover of GM,

...

everything.

46 posted on 03/23/2012 8:08:33 AM PDT by eCSMaster (Conservative patriots, Rise up!)
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To: Mouton
Ben Bradley in the Watergate movie saga all the president’s men was played by Jason Robards.

It was Jason Robards who played Ben Bradley ... thanks for the heads up. It sort of clicked in the memory bank when you mentioned Robards.

47 posted on 03/23/2012 8:12:38 AM PDT by BluH2o
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To: Cboldt
All of you Right Wing Birther Fanatics can just stand down right now.

Using the ultra-modern, top-secret genetic computer programs that I have developed, I have scientifically proven beyond any shadow or scintilla of doubt that Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. (or II) is the:

Lost Dauphin of France!

It is the Louisiana Purchase that is a forgery! Barack Hussein Obama, Jr. (or II) is our rightful King and Sovereign. O sure, you're in shock now. But you will say "Merci" to me later!

48 posted on 03/23/2012 8:16:13 AM PDT by Kenny Bunk ((So, you're telling me Scalia, Alito, Thomas, and Roberts can't figure out this eligibility stuff?))
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To: ILS21R

As a wise man once said, trust, but verify.


49 posted on 03/23/2012 8:20:13 AM PDT by Claud
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To: Sirius Lee

Didn’t find that convincing, sorry. He spent all of a few seconds on the time stamps.

What about the idea that the document was combined by the state of Hawaii or the hospital? I.e. they have the certificate on microfilm and then they add a security layer to it? That explains two of the layers and may also explain a different time stamp as well.


50 posted on 03/23/2012 8:29:27 AM PDT by Claud
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