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INS DOC FOUND: U.S. CERTIFICATE ISSUED TO ONE EAST AFRICAN-BORN CHILD OF U.S. CITIZEN IN 1961!
The Daily Pen ^ | Friday, March 23, 2012 | Dan Crosby

Posted on 03/23/2012 10:58:19 PM PDT by Red Steel

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To: Red Steel; LucyT; melancholy; Brown Deer; Candor7

Red Steel...excellent article to finish reading later.

To the others...FYI.


101 posted on 03/24/2012 6:28:19 AM PDT by azishot
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To: Hostage
I have been to Hawaii. I don't buy it.

Conspiracies have a way of unraveling: People get drunk, egos get bruised, journals and diaries get written, people simply cannot keep secrets, pillow talk, memoranda turn up, some documents do not get shredded, one conspirator turns. As a matter of fact, many crimes get solved not by sleuthing by some guy bragging in a bar.


102 posted on 03/24/2012 6:33:29 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: Red Steel; grey_whiskers

THANKS

Interesting how the evidence piles higher and higher.

One almost could think that the Marxist satanic globalist oligarchy

SET HIM AND THIS ALL UP DELIBERATELY to CAUSE

great conflict and turmoil in the society.

. . . and for it to torturously come out in bits and drabs building to a creshendo about the same time the economic collapse and WW3 were scheduled . . .

Would sure make him a grand scapegoat . . . as he purportedly said as he collapsed on reading his orders from the bosses right after his Inauguration.

INTERESTING TIMES as the Chinese would say.


103 posted on 03/24/2012 6:37:16 AM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: All

Is this what Sheriff Joe is intending on releasing to the public in his upcoming press conference?

It appears that Obama operative John Brennan missed this in his sanitizing of the Obama immigration and passport records!


104 posted on 03/24/2012 6:40:24 AM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (TeaNami)
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To: All

And thus it flies in the face of Obama’s ongoing claims that HE WAS BORN IN HAWAII.

Since it appears that there may finally be documentary evidence to the contrary available for public scrutiny, his next deflection will be that in 2008 the repubs nominated someone (Juan McCain) who wasn’t born in the US either, so denying Obama the chance to become president would be racist.


105 posted on 03/24/2012 6:44:45 AM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (TeaNami)
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To: Dengar01

And the MSM will focus on other crap.


You mean how George Zimmerman is not really hispanic but a Jew who hated and feared blacks?


106 posted on 03/24/2012 6:46:36 AM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (TeaNami)
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To: presently no screen name; wastedyears

Shun the disbeliever!!! SHUNNNNNNnnnnnnnn!!!!!!!!!


107 posted on 03/24/2012 6:54:16 AM PDT by Mr. K (If Romney wins the primary, I am writing-in PALIN)
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To: El Kabong1

Fresh from fogbow are you?

Hawaii had for 3 years denied that there was a lfbc on file, and then said there was something half-typed and half hand written. Was that what was released on April 27th of last year?

Secondly, Zullo (lead investigator for Arpaio’s Cold Case Posse) can demonstrate that foreign births were also placed in those newspaper announcements as well as 3 year olds that were regiatered as newborns in HI andsubsequently oublished in the newspaper announcements. Which leads to the suspicion that Obama was indeed foreign born.

Birthermania!

http://www.americanthinker.com/2012/03/birthermania.html


108 posted on 03/24/2012 7:02:01 AM PDT by Hotlanta Mike (TeaNami)
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To: Hotlanta Mike; El Kabong1

I think you are correct - fresh from Fogbow.

Based on the Feb 20 sign-up date, they may be running low on older usernames.


109 posted on 03/24/2012 7:18:55 AM PDT by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: cynwoody

It would help if you obots would take your blinders off or at least open your eyes...


110 posted on 03/24/2012 7:20:42 AM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: Red Steel

sfl


111 posted on 03/24/2012 7:37:33 AM PDT by know-the-law
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To: Red Steel; LucyT; Berlin_Freeper; Hotlanta Mike; Silentgypsy; repubmom; HANG THE EXPENSE; Nepeta; ..

Ping...............

A great article. Thank you, Red Steel.

Thanks for the ping, azishot.


112 posted on 03/24/2012 7:37:44 AM PDT by melancholy (Professor Alinsky, Enslavement Specialist, Ph.D in L0w and H0lder)
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To: Red Steel

The record also reveals that the certificate was the only one issued for this specific type of arrival in the U.S. over a span of more than 18 months, among thousands from other parts of the world.

Wonder who the handlers were?and how many more are in the nest?.


113 posted on 03/24/2012 7:39:40 AM PDT by Vaduz
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To: presently no screen name

Nobody revolted at news of the farming laws.

Would you want to have been told what you could grow, when, where and how? As well as who you can sell it to and for how much? The big things started with that.


114 posted on 03/24/2012 7:41:07 AM PDT by wastedyears (Signature for sale.)
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To: Mr. K

Been watching Charlie the Unicorn recently?


115 posted on 03/24/2012 7:42:35 AM PDT by wastedyears (Signature for sale.)
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To: Red Steel; Berlin_Freeper; Hotlanta Mike; Silentgypsy; repubmom; HANG THE EXPENSE; Nepeta; ...
Ping
116 posted on 03/24/2012 7:43:20 AM PDT by null and void (Day 1159 of America's ObamaVacation from reality [Heroes aren't made, Frank, they're cornered...])
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To: nathanbedford

Lots of people have been to Hawaii. That does not make them including you experts on how things are done there.

And to counter your speculation that people would be talking, there have been such. Several people have, the former elections official, the retired health official. People are talking but you are not hearing or reading. Why is that? Was Sheriff Joe blowing smoke when he said there was a news blackout? Did you know that Zullo found in the newspaper that announced Obama’s birth that one of the other birth announcements was 3 years old at the time? Or another who had been born outside Hawaii? Heard any of that and so much more? Why is that?

Livable jobs are hard to come by in Hawaii, especially government jobs. When you work in government there, you keep your mouth shut and learn how to look like a reptile.

You think such conspiracy Omerta cultures can’t exist? Look at another documented example: Morton-Thiokol in the 1986 Challenger Investigation. Everyone in that company was on the same page to keep silent else lose their job. It wasn’t until certain company managers were hauled before Congress and threatened with contempt that they broke the code and let the truth out.

Don’t be naive, Hawaii has circled the wagons. Obama is a brah for now. Oh, they will give him up when the political winds shift or when the investigation can no longer be ignored. That process is happening now.


117 posted on 03/24/2012 7:43:30 AM PDT by Hostage (Be Breitbart!)
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To: Red Steel

“Boom! Taste my nightstick”


118 posted on 03/24/2012 7:49:45 AM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: Hostage
Don’t be naive

I could quite as easily say, "don't be a conspiracy nut job" and I don't think you would like it very much and quite properly so because it does not advance the argument while it would be condescending.

We have only this bit of difference in dispute, I don't think the existence of a conspiracy is credible and you do. One of us is right and one of us is wrong but that does not make either of us naïve or a nut job.


119 posted on 03/24/2012 7:52:17 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: Red Steel
According to the INS, Certificates of Citizenship are issued upon arrival in the U.S. to those who have acquired statutory citizenship (not natural-born citizenship) by birth to at least one U.S. citizen parent within the previous year while that parent(s) was temporarily in another country. COC are notifications provided by the American Consulate Service, via the INS, to individuals born to at least one U.S. citizen abroad in order to provide interim citizen alien status while immigration status is processed and secured. COC are not issued to natural-born citizens or children born to non-U.S. citizen parents arriving in the U.S., nor are COC received through the same process as required for naturalized citizenship, according to the INS.
120 posted on 03/24/2012 7:52:52 AM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: Red Steel; RaceBannon

Looks like Obama’s spontaneous utterance to you that he was born in Mombasa is correct.


121 posted on 03/24/2012 7:55:58 AM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: rxsid; STARWISE; maggief; onyx; Liz; MinuteGal; LucyT; advertising guy

FYI


122 posted on 03/24/2012 7:57:15 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Stand with God and Sarah, the Gipper and Newt will be standing next to you.)
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To: nathanbedford

The assumption is being made that the one person who came from Kenya is Obama, however, there are no names on the document and it just has the age range as under 18.


123 posted on 03/24/2012 7:59:59 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: Red Steel

BTTT


124 posted on 03/24/2012 8:00:23 AM PDT by CodeToad (I'm so right-wing if I lifted my left leg I'd go into a spin.)
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To: Dengar01
And the MSM will focus on other crap

That's to be expected ... what astounds and baffles me is the continued behavior of the "conservative" media (e.g., Medved; Hewitt; et al.) who appear not only scared senseless to cover this ongoing unfolding event of profound Constitutional significance but they condemn and attempt to squelch the findings and opinions of those who do.

I can only speculate that access to the Washington elite is more important to them than is their self-described role as "Constitutional scholars" and "defenders of traditional American values". That they have ignored the findings of an American patriot -- Sheriff Joe -- is, I think, very revealing of their priorities and their intellectual curiousity concerning this potential anti-Constitutional precendent.

125 posted on 03/24/2012 8:01:21 AM PDT by glennaro
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To: Yaelle

“Is there anything here that is even slightly actual evidence?”

Ever heard of circumstantial evidence?


126 posted on 03/24/2012 8:02:00 AM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: butterdezillion; David; Fred Nerks

Boston Archive ????


127 posted on 03/24/2012 8:05:36 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Stand with God and Sarah, the Gipper and Newt will be standing next to you.)
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To: nathanbedford

“I have read this twice and I just do not get it. Why is this connected to Obama? How does this prove anything?”

You MUST be kidding.


128 posted on 03/24/2012 8:06:52 AM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: Red Steel; LucyT; melancholy; null and void
“A COC is also considered a primary form of identification by the State of Hawaii in 1961 to prove a foreign born infant’s residency in the U.S. prompting the issuance of a standard Certificate of Live Birth under Hawaii Revised Statute 338-17 which would then allocate the location of the birth to the mother’s residence.”

Once again the attempt to find exculpatory documentary evidence in support of Barry NOT being born in Kenya FAILS.

If underage Stanley Ann was unable to prove marriage after a birth in Kenya (or if the bigamy was known in Kenya) Barry would have QUALIFIED as a citizen at birth because SADO would have met the residency requirement for an out-of-wedlock birth mom.

SADO might even have first tried to obtain UK Kenyan citizenship in Kenya for Barry but been rebuffed due to the bigamy...leaving US nationality and/or citizenship as her recourse in her legally unmarried status.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_nationality_law#Birth_abroad_to_one_United_States_citizen

“A person's record of birth abroad, if registered with a U.S. consulate or embassy, is proof of citizenship. Such a person may also apply for a passport or a Certificate of Citizenship to have a record of citizenship. Such documentation is often useful to prove citizenship in lieu of the availability of an American birth certificate.”

“For persons born between December 24, 1952 and November 14, 1986, a person is a U.S. citizen if all of the following are true (except if born out-of-wedlock)[8]:
1.The person's parents were married at the time of birth
2.One of the person's parents was a U.S. citizen when the person was born
3.The citizen parent lived at least ten years in the United States before the child's birth;
4.A minimum of 5 of these 10 years in the United States were after the citizen parent's 14th birthday.

“For persons born out-of-wedlock (mother) if all the following apply:
1.the mother was a U.S. citizen at the time of the person’s birth and
2.the mother was physically present in the United States or one of its outlying possessions for a continuous period of one year prior to the person’s birth.[9] (See link for those born to a U.S. father out-of-wedlock)”

129 posted on 03/24/2012 8:09:54 AM PDT by Seizethecarp
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To: Smokeyblue
Smokey:

Why don't you read the thread before criticizing?


130 posted on 03/24/2012 8:10:34 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: Red Steel; nathanbedford
Here is a continuity error in this narrative. In the excerpt below, the content talks about flights from Kenya, etc and one person on a flight from Kenya was classified as an alien, however, if you look closely at the document they posted, that was not from a flight from Kenya. The header on that image says that was 'over land borders from Canada', not an arriving flight. Now yes, they could have stretched it to say they flew from Kenya to Canada then drove to the US but that does give some issues with the other evidence people are posting regarding missing flight records from Kenya to the US.

This would leave a gap where folks digging into this would now need to look at flights from Kenya to Canada, not the US.

Corroborating data from passenger arrivals of flights entering the U.S. between July 1st, 1961 and June 30th, 1962 indicates this one individual may have been originally classified as an alien upon arrival prior to application for derivative citizenship. The INS report shows there was only one individual who was originally classified by the INS as an alien arriving by air from Kenya. This individual was possibly inspected by INS officers in Hawaii upon arrival at the INS station located within Honolulu International Airport sometime in early August of 1961.


131 posted on 03/24/2012 8:12:21 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: Seizethecarp; Fred Nerks; STARWISE; BP2

Do you remember the initial speculation that SADO returned through Boston to Vancouver/Seattle? Hmmmm?

There were even flight numbers given IIRC.


132 posted on 03/24/2012 8:14:10 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Stand with God and Sarah, the Gipper and Newt will be standing next to you.)
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To: aruanan; Red Steel; rxsid; butterdezillion; Danae

Under section 322 of the INA of 1952 as the son/child of a US citizen, Obama would have been able to be naturalized upon application by his mother, only requirement would be the application and that he was admitted lawfully (with a few inapplicable exceptions) because of his tender years other requirements such as good moral character, residency are waived...he could then be issued proof of citizenship while an infant. He would then be a Naturalized USC.

http://library.uwb.edu/guides/usimmigration/66%20stat%20163.pdf
(page 246 of pdf, I can’t copy & paste it maybe someone else can)

http://www.uscis.gov/ilink/docView/AFM/HTML/AFM/0-0-0-1/0-0-0-20833/0-0-0-20835.html

http://www.aca.ch/sec322.htm

(this law has changed from 1952 but primarily added to allow for grandparents to meet residency requirements and children to obtain USC while still abroad)

............

He also could have been a citizen if he was born out of wedlock and his mother was a US citizen Section 301 of INA 1952, he would be a citizen at birth and able to obtain a Certificate of Citizenship (no decision has been made whether that would be NBC for Presidential eligibility question)

If his father was a USC out of wedlock under section 309 and he could gain citizenship if he was legitimized prior to age 21(not necessary if his mother was USC with one year continuous physical presence in US prior to his birth, which she was.


133 posted on 03/24/2012 8:16:21 AM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: mnehring

Canada yes. Sent you the information you need to know by FR mail.


134 posted on 03/24/2012 8:21:57 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Stand with God and Sarah, the Gipper and Newt will be standing next to you.)
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To: Seizethecarp

see my post 133

some certificates of citizenship state under what section of INA the citizenship was authorized...


135 posted on 03/24/2012 8:28:21 AM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: Red Steel

It would seem that if the INS issued a COC, they would also have a record or just who they issued it to.


136 posted on 03/24/2012 8:29:53 AM PDT by llotter (Without Responsibility, People Will Act Irresponsible.)
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To: nathanbedford

“Why don’t you read the thread before criticizing?”

That must be the shortest post you’ve ever written. I have read the thread.

For some reason you seem to think that you are the overriding “intellectual” here and you need to constantly “impart your wisdom” to us lowly rabble-rousers.

I’m sorry that the import of this report in conjunction with all the other overwhelming circumstantial evidence surrounding Obama’s fraudulent birth narrative is lost on you.


137 posted on 03/24/2012 8:31:07 AM PDT by Smokeyblue
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To: DrDude
Does this number have any specific significance?
It's just the number on the example certificate shown.
138 posted on 03/24/2012 8:36:42 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: llotter; Red Steel

yes they should have a C file if it isn’t missing...


139 posted on 03/24/2012 8:42:14 AM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: himno hero
####! Pentagon, CIA, FBI , Mossad....but , the conspiracy goes well beyond just Obama... all of them need to rot..judges, pelosi, reid, klintoons...

Along with SCOTUS who admits they are "evading" the issue and Congress who doesn't have the huevos to impeach the squatter.

140 posted on 03/24/2012 8:42:25 AM PDT by bgill
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To: MestaMachine
Curious that this would be found in Boston

Inquiring minds want to know what exactly it was that led the investigation to Boston.

141 posted on 03/24/2012 8:45:34 AM PDT by bgill
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To: nathanbedford

You are naive.

And no I am not a conspiracy nut job. I have described real knowledge and experience with references to Hawaii government and social culture. I have given you an outside well-documented example in Morton-Thiokol.

You on the other hand assert speculative thought to improbable conspiracies asserting that they cannot exist and I gave an example to counter that.

You implied that eventually people would talk so that a lasting conspiracy would not be possible implying that the silence you hear is indicative that there is no conspiracy. That is circular reasoning based on a false premise. First, you are not informed. People in Hawaii government have been talking. One example: http://www.drudge.com/news/154482/hawaii-official-signs-affidavit-no-obama

You had no response to my informing you of Zullo’s findings with respect to Hawaii newspaper birth announcements.

You had no response to my informing you of a news blackout.

In sum, you see, hear, speak no evil and insinuate those that are suspicious are ‘conspiracy nutjobs’.

Do I believe the Kenyan was born in Kenya? No. Do I believe the Muslim was born in the USA? No. Do I believe he was born on Earth? No. Say what? I say I don’t ‘believe’ anything at this point. Why do I call him Kenyan? Well, sometimes I call him OBullsh*t. Because I don’t like the community organizer and his demrat Chicago ghetto mob.

No, I am a believe in logic and high probability factoids. For example, does this finding in a Boston archive of an INS notation that there was a Kenyan infant issued a COAC, does it prove the Kenyan was this infant? No. Then what value does it have? It has value in the contrapositive. If the archive had shown there was no Kenyan infant born to a US citizen brought to the USA at the time of Obama’s birth, the ‘Birthers’ would be severely setback. But the finding shows there was such an infant. Therefore, the Birther case is strengthened because it can’t be knocked out by the contrapositive.

Whereas Obama’s evidence is forged, the Birther evidence is not. IF the Birther evidence were shown to be forged, then THE BIRTHER MOVEMENT WOULD BE TRULY SETBACK. But so far the only response to Birthers is from Obama shills spouting they are all conspiracy whack jobs. You seem to have an affinity with them.

On the other hand if this archive had revealed no such infant traveling from Kenya, would the ‘Birthers’ have reported it, ended their investigation, packed up and gone back home? Well the archive didn’t return a negative so it’s impossible to say.

If Obama shills have attempted a Dan Rather type hit-job on Birthers, they haven’t been successful as the Birthers appear smart enough not to believe everything that surfaces until they have had an expert review.

Thus far, the Birthers are racking up points whereas the Obam-Shills are spinning their heads while farting out their mouths.


142 posted on 03/24/2012 8:48:40 AM PDT by Hostage (Be Breitbart!)
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To: hoosiermama

All this is making a lot more sense now. Stanley Ann could have given birth in May or June then have traveled a little more comfortably to Seattle to go to school Aug 19th.


143 posted on 03/24/2012 8:48:59 AM PDT by DCmarcher-976453
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To: bgill
Thomas who made the “evading” statement is a word smith. There is an obscure meaning of the word that is seldom used today. Had to use a very old big dictionary to find it. (But remember missing it on a quiz in high school) It can mean to examine it or observe it.
144 posted on 03/24/2012 8:50:32 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Stand with God and Sarah, the Gipper and Newt will be standing next to you.)
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To: rolling_stone

Were there any other non-citizen or citizens listed as accompanying this minor?

Wouldn’t a non citizen be listed with, but a citizen not listed?


145 posted on 03/24/2012 8:53:26 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Stand with God and Sarah, the Gipper and Newt will be standing next to you.)
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To: nathanbedford
“...in a conspiracy which is not unraveled”

Your observations about conspiracy are spot on....sometimes it is useful however, to distinguish between “conspiracy” and “confluence of interest”.

With the latter...a multiplicity of interests so benefit from the general “trend” that no significant opposition can be organized. In this case the net accrual of power to DC can buy a lot of “lack of interest” in disturbing the status quo.

Obama has been the best thing for DC since the New Deal. For those still believing in a two-party system which represents the interests of the various 50 United States on Capitol Hill...it is hard to see this.

For those who finally can admit that the two-parties entangled in Federal Gov’mt are DC and Flyover Country, this situation of convenient silence or ignoring the facts at hand, and even deliberately denying “standing” to question things at hand in Federal Courts is more understandable.

146 posted on 03/24/2012 8:53:29 AM PDT by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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To: nathanbedford

They do unravel.

That doesn’t help when the ground is so rotten that the conspiracy is permeating everything.

Now. H.W.Busch designating Bill C as like to his son. What does that tell you?


147 posted on 03/24/2012 8:53:39 AM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (nobody gives me warheads anyway))
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To: hoosiermama

Did Madelyn Dunham and or Stanley Armour accompany her daughter on this trip? Methinks its possible...


148 posted on 03/24/2012 9:01:05 AM PDT by rolling_stone
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To: DCmarcher-976453

frmail


149 posted on 03/24/2012 9:01:16 AM PDT by hoosiermama (Stand with God and Sarah, the Gipper and Newt will be standing next to you.)
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To: nathanbedford
the governor who says he saw the records or whatever he says he saw,- there must be more.

Nothing Gov. Pothead says should ever be believed. Remember, 1) he's the only one on the planet who claims Ann and Sr. were ever seen together, 2) that he was there (wherever "there" was it certainly wasn't with Granny Sarah who claims the same) when the bouncing bundle of joy was born and 3) he also said at first that there was no BC but then flip flopped with it might have been written somewhere in the archive building (which shouldn't house BCs).

150 posted on 03/24/2012 9:07:27 AM PDT by bgill
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