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INS DOC FOUND: U.S. CERTIFICATE ISSUED TO ONE EAST AFRICAN-BORN CHILD OF U.S. CITIZEN IN 1961!
The Daily Pen ^ | Friday, March 23, 2012 | Dan Crosby

Posted on 03/23/2012 10:58:19 PM PDT by Red Steel

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To: Secret Agent Man

Well Col. Lakin did what he could and paid the price.


51 posted on 03/23/2012 11:58:39 PM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Red Steel
Uh-oh and LOL...what did Berg ask to be turned over way back in 2008? Plaintiff seeks the following relief from the Court:
1. An order compelling Defendants to turn over: (a) a certified copy of Obama’s “vault” (original long version) birth of Citizenship certificate;

52 posted on 03/24/2012 12:00:18 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Secret Agent Man

####! Pentagon, CIA, FBI , Mossad....but , the conspiracy goes well beyond just Obama...

all of them need to rot..judges, pelosi, reid, klintoons...


53 posted on 03/24/2012 12:04:37 AM PDT by himno hero (Obamas theme...Death to America...The crusaders will pay!)
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To: Political Junkie Too; 101stAirborneVet
Yeah, I'm "getting it" and good. {;^)
Thanks ya'll.
54 posted on 03/24/2012 12:05:15 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Red Steel

Just to remind people too, that any birth that occurs during travel is classified as “en route” and the place of arrival is then officially listed as the place of birth. Consider that Obama could have been born abroad and then claimed as born en route. After arriving in Honolulu, the baby would likely be examined at a local hospital where a doctor signs off on the birth registration.


55 posted on 03/24/2012 12:05:51 AM PDT by edge919
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To: Red Steel

Kilroy was here.


56 posted on 03/24/2012 12:06:18 AM PDT by Eye of Unk (Liberals need not reply.)
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To: Red Steel

Save for Later.


57 posted on 03/24/2012 12:06:50 AM PDT by SvenMagnussen (What would MacGyver do?)
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To: Red Steel

Thank you Red Steel

bookmarking....


58 posted on 03/24/2012 12:07:38 AM PDT by Aurorales (I will not be ridiculed into silence)
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To: edge919
Consider that Obama could have been born abroad and then claimed as born en route.
On an airplane? Or are you offering a "slow boat" scenario?
59 posted on 03/24/2012 12:09:40 AM PDT by philman_36 (Pride breakfasted with plenty, dined with poverty, and supped with infamy. Benjamin Franklin)
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To: Red Steel

Oh well.

Say, for the sake of argument, that:
- Obama had fire-engine red skin
- Horns
- A tail
- A hoof

Americans would still be lining up to sign their contract in blood..


60 posted on 03/24/2012 12:17:03 AM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (nobody gives me warheads anyway))
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To: philman_36

Either. I seem to recall a story where SAD told one of her friends she had been on a ship prior to her arrival in Seattle in August 1961. The INS report in the Daily Pen blog includes passenger arrival statistics from both sea and air.


61 posted on 03/24/2012 12:20:16 AM PDT by edge919
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To: Red Steel

Interesting, but hardly a smoking gun. Totally circumstantial.


62 posted on 03/24/2012 12:20:22 AM PDT by Ronin (Sarah.... We really need you now!)
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To: nathanbedford

I don’t think it does. It’s interesting circumstantial evidence, but nothing more.


63 posted on 03/24/2012 12:22:22 AM PDT by Ronin (Sarah.... We really need you now!)
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To: Red Steel

Where was bob’s social security number from? Wasn’t that from Boston too? Curious that this would be found in Boston. Coincidence without end.


64 posted on 03/24/2012 12:43:43 AM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: MestaMachine
social security number from? Wasn’t that from Boston too?

I believe it was Connecticut. Right below MA.

65 posted on 03/24/2012 12:45:37 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: presently no screen name; himno hero

Slug bug....


66 posted on 03/24/2012 12:47:17 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: presently no screen name

Thank you. There is so much to try and remember.


67 posted on 03/24/2012 12:48:20 AM PDT by MestaMachine (obama kills)
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To: Ronin

Generally, the same is true for anything that “proves” Obama was born in Hawaii. His alleged birth certificates have never been legally verified, so the only evidence showing him to be born in Hawaii is circumstantial.

This finding corroborates the possibility that Obama could be the person for whom the certificate of citizenship was issued to. Like everything else in regards to Obama, the specific records are missing. But let’s not forget about the state department’s passport records that were breached in March 2008. Incidentally, that timeframe coincides with the timestamp on the factlack dot org photos and the date on the alleged Obama COLB.


68 posted on 03/24/2012 12:50:04 AM PDT by edge919
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To: MestaMachine

I know. Boston (TeaParty) had this info archived. LOL!!


69 posted on 03/24/2012 12:52:27 AM PDT by presently no screen name
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To: Political Junkie Too; Red Steel; Ronin
As I thought, nothing here which explicitly connects these documents to Obama. Therefore the ringing assertions on this thread are perhaps premature.

Seems to me that there is enough here to justify further research in an attempt to connect this document somehow to Obama. As of now we have virtually nothing.

To slightly change the subject, I am confused about the assertions in the article which seemed to be internally inconsistent:

"Certificates of Citizenship are issued upon arrival in the U.S. to those who have acquired statutory citizenship (not natural-born citizenship) by birth to at least one U.S. citizen parent within the previous year while that parent(s) was temporarily in another country. COC are notifications provided by the American Consulate Service, via the INS, to individuals born to at least one U.S. citizen abroad in order to provide interim citizen alien status while immigration status is processed and secured. COC are not issued to natural-born citizens or children born to non-U.S. citizen parents arriving in the U.S., nor are COC received through the same process as required for naturalized citizenship, according to the INS. " (emphasis supplied)

It is my understanding that citizenship for Barack Obama was not and could not have been automatic because under the statute obtaining at the time, he could not be an automatic citizen by virtue of birth to only one American parent when that parent could not have resided the requisite amount of time prior to the birth in the United States. Since Ann Dunham was only 18 she could not have resided in the United States a sufficient time in order to qualify her child if born abroad on August 4, 1961.

The quoted portion above says this about the document in question:

COC are notifications provided by the American Consulate Service, via the INS, to individuals born to at least one U.S. citizen abroad in order to provide interim citizen alien status while immigration status is processed and secured

It seems to be talking out of both sides of its mouth. What is a "citizen alien?"

This document seems to suggest that it reflects the beginning of a bureaucratic process under which an infant is awarded United States citizenship (not natural born citizenship, of course) at the conclusion of the process. I do not know what the process entails but I assume that it requires submission of documentation etc. That would seem to indicate that a certificate of citizenship for Barack Obama would not have necessarily come from Hawaii in the form of a birth certificate but from the federal government in the form of a citizenship certificate.

Is this true?

I recall posting some time ago that under the Hawaiian statute certificates concerning birth might well have been issued on the affirmation, virtually unsupported by any documentation, of a parent or grandparent of live birth at home. This would have been a way around a tedious and time-consuming process with the State Department by which Obama's mother or grandmother could have caused United States citizenship to be conferred on her child or grandchild born abroad.

If she did not go that route but obtained a Hawaiian birth certificate based on this document, the Hawaiian records, if they remained intact, would show a foreign birth. But a foreign birth is contrary to the express representations made by the Hawaiian officials in two separate press releases about the provenance of Obama's birth. We would then have to believe they are lying which is certainly possible but improbable.

If there is an inconsistency between the Hawaiian birth certificate and the data on this document such as place of birth, it would suggest that this document was not used in Hawaii but simply went into limbo. if that is actually what happened, Obama is not a citizen at all, much less a natural born citizen.

I'm not sure how this advances the cause except to note, as I have, that it warrants further investigation.


70 posted on 03/24/2012 12:54:17 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: wolficatZ
Dreadfully incompetent presentation for that reason.

Exactly what O and his handlers have counted on in all their planning. This whole thing, if it is as many hope, can only be kept in play by a willing MSM and brain dead are nothing public.

Even Fox is not going to support the exposure of this info, and NONE of the talking heads on Fox will risk their jobs.

This is probably just a decoy anyway.... designed to throw the right off... again.

Another attempt designed and planned to get his detractors crying wolf again. They wanted to make everyone so sick of the "wolf" warning that it eventually be ignored even more.
When the real thing is found it will be ignored too. Bill Clinton was a master at this false warning ruses. Therefore he got away with ALL of it and is now a revered former president living with the percs FOR LIFE on our dime.

O may be a master at it, but only history will tell. Now it appears he will live off us for life too.
71 posted on 03/24/2012 12:57:10 AM PDT by JSteff ((((It was ALL about SCOTUS. Most forget about that and HAVE DOOMED us for a generation or more.))))
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To: JSteff

This feels like another decoy. Reminds me of the infamous “Kenyan birth certificate” that some jackass forged in his apartment.

However, I’m convinced that Omoslem is 100% full of crap and needs to be exposed and removed from office.

Example: INS microfilm is missing from the National Archives for the WEEK Omoslem was allegedly “born.” Also known as the week his mother probably flew back into the USA.


72 posted on 03/24/2012 1:12:52 AM PDT by LyinLibs (If victims of islam were more "islamophobic," maybe they'd still be alive.)
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To: Red Steel

That still doesn’t account for the Hawaiian birth certificate - long form or short form - nor the birth notice in the Honolulu newspaper at the time.


73 posted on 03/24/2012 1:19:58 AM PDT by El Kabong1 (The Confederacy was nothing but treason writ large)
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To: nathanbedford
But a foreign birth is contrary to the express representations made by the Hawaiian officials in two separate press releases about the provenance of Obama's birth. We would then have to believe they are lying which is certainly possible but improbable.

These press releases contained parsed statements. There's nothing conclusive within them about Obama being born in Hawaii. The July 27, 2009 statement said:

I, Dr. Chiyome Fukino, Director of the Hawai‛i State Department of Health, have seen the original vital records maintained on file by the Hawai‘i State Department of Health verifying Barack Hussein Obama was born in Hawai‘i and is a natural-born American citizen. I have nothing further to add to this statement or my original statement issued in October 2008 over eight months ago.”

Fukino's October 2008 statement said she had personally verified Obama's original birth certificate was on file. The July statement changes the verbiage to "vital records" (note that this is a plural form), so she's not necessarily talking about the provenance of the birth certificate. The "vital records" could be the Hawaii 50th anniversary of statehood declaration, or a letter from Obama requesting his birth records ... anything. If Obama's COLB was genuine, there should be no other vital records on file. So whatever documents these are, they call into question the authenticity of the COLB, and Fukino only says that these records "verify" (which can mean nothing more than "claim") Obama was born in Hawaii. Again, she switched the verbiage from her 2008 statement, and she went from saying she personally verified something to saying she saw some unspecified records that verify something.

Now, let's look at Loretta Fuddy's statement from April 2011.

"I have seen the original records filed at the Department of Health and attest to the authenticity of the certified copies the department provided to the President that further prove the fact that he was born in Hawai‘i."

Notice how she says "original records" and then the "certified copies" of something that were provided to the President, that "further" prove he was born in Hawaii. Well, nothing legal was ever shown by the state of Hawaii to prove he was born there in the first place, so how could an unspecified record prove anything further?? It's a meaningless statement. She doesn't say his original birth certificate proves he was born in Hawaii. Technically, there's no lie in either of these statements because there may be some "original records" that "verify" (claim) that Obama was born in Hawaii, but as written, these "original records" are not certified copies of an original birth certificate that lists a Hawaiian birth.

Also, let's consider that Obama did have a foreign birth, but under the Hawaiian territorial law, his parent could apply for a Hawaiian birth certificate. There may be records that indicate the birth abroad, but other records that have the birth listed as occurring locally as fits within the law. Then it becomes clear as to why these statements from the directors of health use different terminology and purposely vague language.

74 posted on 03/24/2012 1:22:39 AM PDT by edge919
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To: El Kabong1

Neither the long form or short form were ever legally confirmed as genuine. A jpg and a PDF mean nothing. The birth notice in the Honolulu paper doesn’t list a place of birth, so it proves nothing, and it doesn’t not preclude the child from having been born outside of Hawaii.


75 posted on 03/24/2012 1:25:09 AM PDT by edge919
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To: wolficatZ
I see a nothing but pixelated, miniscule, illegible jpgs on this article.

Agreed.

Too long; didn't read; pix too small!

77 posted on 03/24/2012 1:37:46 AM PDT by cynwoody
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To: edge919
The "vital records" could be the Hawaii 50th anniversary of statehood declaration, or a letter from Obama requesting his birth records ... anything.

"Anything" except the State Department records which show that he was born in Kenya-which is my point.

How many people would have to be involved in a deception which can only be described as Clintonesque and maintain silence to this day? The people quoted by you, the governor who says he saw the records or whatever he says he saw,- there must be more.

It stretches credulity think we are going to convince anybody that these people are relying on this kind of verbiage in a conspiracy which is not unraveled to commit the greatest hoax in American history.

For the record, here is my post from a couple years ago to this effect and it seems the only area of disagreement we have is whether Dr. Fukimo could have truthfully uttered her statements if she had seen the document the present thread is discussing:

I have seen the article posted some time ago here on Free Republic: Clearing the Smoke on Obama’s Eligibility: An Intelligence Investigator’s June 10 Report ( http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/2303258/posts) which makes it clear that his mother, or even his grandparents, could have secured a birth certificate merely on the filing of an affidavit or perhaps even only an application. Evidently, his mother could have presented a drivers license which she evidently had or even as little as a telephone bill to show proof of residency, simply averring that her son was born there in Hawaii, and she would have received a Hawaiian birth certificate. The article cited goes on to describe three other methods by which a fraudulent certificate for Barack Obama could have been obtained in 1961 in Hawaii.

More, the author continues to the effect that Stanley Ann Obama would have been motivated to do so because her son was not entitled to citizenship under the existing statute if he were born abroad with only one parent a citizen who had not lived five years after the age of 14 in America.

Therefore, it is possible that when Doctor Fukino examined the "vital records" she saw an application or affidavit that said that the baby was born in Hawaii and she saw the Birth Certificate that was issued as a result which would also show birth in Hawaii. She saw nothing indicating a foreign birth in the file and therefore she could quite properly say that the vital records show birth in Hawaii. Indeed, to say anything else would be to venture a fact which appeared nowhere in the record.

While I take issue with your well reasoned and articulate perspective on the motivations of Doctor Fukino-I come to exactly the opposite conclusions-I am compelled to agree that there is still plenty of room to maintain that, in the absence of the original birth certificate and supporting documents, if any, the matter remains open. That is not to say that the probabilities are for a foreign birth, merely that it is not illogical to maintain that a foreign birth is quite consistent with the facts as we know them, the Certification of Live Birth, the procedures and regulations in place in Hawaii in 1961, and two statements of Doctor Fukino.

I think we probably both can agree that we will find nothing in the file which shows foreign birth. We might also find nothing in the file apart from the Obama family's self serving declarations which show a domestic birth-and perhaps not even such declarations. That would leave the ball where it is but that is a defeat for us. We have the burden to move it across the goal line. Even if the original birth certificate were released and it was revealed that it was based on family affidavits, we lose. We need extrinsic evidence of foreign birth.


78 posted on 03/24/2012 1:52:39 AM PDT by nathanbedford ("Attack, repeat, attack!" Bull Halsey)
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To: Red Steel

Ping for proof later to people that make fun of me. Makes it easier to find.


79 posted on 03/24/2012 2:09:16 AM PDT by chuckles
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To: Hardraade

80 posted on 03/24/2012 2:39:24 AM PDT by Salamander (You don't know what's going on inside of me. You don't wanna know what's running through my mind)
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To: nathanbedford

You happened to hit on the key here.

The plan is not Obamas but Clintons. He has been the architect all along. Go through the Obama associates,
they’re all old Clinton people. The Obama plan is just
the Clinton plan continued, although there’s been a
falling out - marked when Greg Craig left the WH.

And Bill had his string to the Kremlin.


81 posted on 03/24/2012 3:18:02 AM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (nobody gives me warheads anyway))
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To: Salamander

Very good. Yours? I’m stealing it, anyways..


82 posted on 03/24/2012 3:37:15 AM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (nobody gives me warheads anyway))
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To: Red Steel

Tyrant’s Gun-WalkerAG:
This matters not. Those papers are cracker-colored
and submitted by crackers, possibly Jews or Christians.
Therefore, He remains your King
and on the Morrow you and your children shall be taken."

83 posted on 03/24/2012 3:58:10 AM PDT by Diogenesis ("Freedom is never more than one generation away from extinction. " Pres. Ronald Reagan)
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To: El Kabong1
"That still doesn’t account for the Hawaiian birth certificate - long form or short form - nor the birth notice in the Honolulu newspaper at the time." (The Confederacy was nothing but treason writ large)


El Kabong1
Since Feb 20, 2012

view home page, enter name:
El Kabong1 hasn't created an about page.

You, and your tagline reek of obot troll.

84 posted on 03/24/2012 4:19:03 AM PDT by Godebert (NO PERSON EXCEPT A NATURAL BORN CITIZEN!)
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To: Red Steel

Bookmark!


85 posted on 03/24/2012 4:29:18 AM PDT by SunTzuWu
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To: DesertRhino
It may be 50 years. But someday,,,,Obama will be revealed as the greatest fraud in world history. The people who placed him there will be the Brutus, the Quisling, etc. The ultimate traitors.

The people who placed him there, the NEWS MEDIA, will be ... The ultimate traitors.

This could never have happened with a FREE press. The process broke down when there was no vetting. Imagine if Romney sealed his records then tried to run? Yet Obama continues the charade and not a hint of vetting by the press.

86 posted on 03/24/2012 5:08:57 AM PDT by ThePatriotsFlag (Still a contributing Republican? Why?)
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To: Red Steel

Interesting but only indicative and not conclusive.

He still remains, by his own admission, not “natural born” because his father was a citizen of Kenya at the time of his birth.

We have a usurper for president, and usurper who certified that he was eligible. The level of disdain for the Constitution is sickening. And the rot is not only on the left. Look at how many on the right do not have any appetite to resolve the issue of BHO’s qualifications or not.

Moreover, notice that not a single federal judge has allowed any cases that raise the question of BHO’s qualifications to reach the “discovery” stage where third parties with relevant records can be compelled to produce them in court. The judiciary shows itself to be full of judges who care far too much about their next promotion because they know that any judge who allows such a case to proceed would be grilled to death by the like of Senator Schumer (Demagogue, NY) should they ever get nominated for any higher position.


87 posted on 03/24/2012 5:10:28 AM PDT by theBuckwheat
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To: El Kabong1

“That still doesn’t account for the Hawaiian birth certificate - long form or short form - nor the birth notice in the Honolulu newspaper at the time.” - EK

You have not been paying attention at all, and yet you come in on the side of Obama at FR. That is a curious first position to take.

In case you missed it the White House LF COLB.PDF was deemed to present probable cause of a crime due to improper self authentication markings and other faults - by an elected law enforcement official. You might have heard of him, Joe Arpiao.

If you want to enter this discussion, the minimum price is fully reviewing the sheriff’s recent presentation/ press conference.

Welcome to FR!


88 posted on 03/24/2012 5:18:52 AM PDT by Triple (Socialism denies people the right to the fruits of their labor, and is as abhorrent as slavery)
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To: himno hero

Buck Farack


89 posted on 03/24/2012 5:22:49 AM PDT by central_va ( I won't be reconstructed and I do not give a damn.)
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To: wastedyears

Exactly


90 posted on 03/24/2012 5:25:29 AM PDT by angcat (PLEASE GOD SAVE OUR COUNTRY!)
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To: philman_36

Does this number have any specific significance? Just curious.


91 posted on 03/24/2012 5:27:53 AM PDT by DrDude (Governor of the 57th State)
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To: ml/nj

self ping


92 posted on 03/24/2012 5:33:10 AM PDT by ml/nj
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To: El Kabong1

New evidence from Zullo of the Maricopa investigation reveals that the Hawaiian newspaper announcements of birth included children who were born outside Hawaii, children who were 3 years old at the time of the announcement and other examples that reject the notion that these announcements could somehow be held as proof that Obama was born in Hawaii.


93 posted on 03/24/2012 5:34:05 AM PDT by Hostage (Be Breitbart!)
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To: ThePatriotsFlag

“The people who placed him there, the NEWS MEDIA, will be ... The ultimate traitors.”

That would be the bankers. They couldn’t find an American to help facilitate their looting of the American Treasury. Although a few congress critters seem to have been in on it, along with the MSM.


94 posted on 03/24/2012 5:45:58 AM PDT by mo (If you understand, no explanation is needed. If you don't understand, no explanation is possible.)
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To: Red Steel; All

Interesting. Thanks.


95 posted on 03/24/2012 5:52:55 AM PDT by PGalt
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To: nathanbedford

“It stretches credulity think we are going to convince anybody that these people are relying on this kind of verbiage in a conspiracy which is not unraveled to commit the greatest hoax in American history.”

You obviously don’t know Hawaii.

It’s a small set of islands where everyone in government knows each other. The police often won’t enforce laws because the culprits are relatives. The society has adopted a native vs. haole attitude.

Nepotism, cronyism are standard in Hawaii.

Looking the other way or remaining mum are expected responses when it involves an allegation against a brother or native. And native need not be natural native, only someone recognized as a ‘brah’. Obama is a ‘brah’.


96 posted on 03/24/2012 5:54:11 AM PDT by Hostage (Be Breitbart!)
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To: El Kabong1; Godebert; 50mm; Old Sarge; darkwing104; TheOldLady

El Kabong1
Since Feb 20, 2012

view home page, enter name:
El Kabong1 hasn't created an about page.

Thanks, Godebert.

SNIFF.

97 posted on 03/24/2012 6:00:08 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Red Steel

Great find. Glad to see people are still working behind the scenes to investigate the fraud. This case will be cracked - with or without the help of the media.


98 posted on 03/24/2012 6:02:54 AM PDT by jersey117 (The Stepford Media should be sued for malpractice)
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To: Red Steel

If this is Barry, then the citizenship is invalid because his birth did not come long enough after his mother’s sixteenth birthday for his birth to her to confer U.S. citizenship on him. And that wouldn’t have happened through his putative father since the statutory rapist was never a U.S. citizen. And even if his father had been Frank Marshall Davis, FMD had not married Stanley Ann.


99 posted on 03/24/2012 6:10:21 AM PDT by aruanan
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To: DesertRhino
"The people who placed him there will be the Brutus, the Quisling, etc. The ultimate traitors. "

Yes, and there will be something to say for those in positions of authority who knew and did nothing - all of them.

100 posted on 03/24/2012 6:18:13 AM PDT by OKSooner (Never take a known wise-@$$ shooting with you.)
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