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Gun Owners Call for Supreme Court to Repudiate Obamacare
www.webToday.tv ^ | 03/27/2012 | webtoday.tv

Posted on 03/27/2012 7:07:26 PM PDT by geraldmcg

Larry Pratt, executive director of the Gun Owners of America (GOA) has called for the Supreme Court to resist the threats and intimidation of the liberal media, and to recognize ObamaCare for the unconstitutional power-grab that it is...

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TOPICS: Government; Health/Medicine; Politics
KEYWORDS: 2012election; goa; guncontrol; obamacare

1 posted on 03/27/2012 7:07:47 PM PDT by geraldmcg
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To: geraldmcg

The GOA knows if ObamaCare stands it will be a (short) matter of time before a firearms will be banned as public health issue.


2 posted on 03/27/2012 7:36:00 PM PDT by SecondAmendment (Restoring our Republic at 9.8357x10^8 FPS)
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To: geraldmcg

The GOA knows if ObamaCare stands it will be a (short) matter of time before a firearms will be banned as public health issue.


3 posted on 03/27/2012 7:36:12 PM PDT by SecondAmendment (Restoring our Republic at 9.8357x10^8 FPS)
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To: SecondAmendment

If they can force to BUY a product, can they then force you NOT to buy a product?


4 posted on 03/27/2012 7:48:27 PM PDT by Hammerhead
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To: geraldmcg
We are being too nice and diplomatic.

We need to start "discussing" term limits for supreme court justices. It's a roundabout way of saying "get this right or you're fired".

It's also past time we talk about amending the constitution and STRICTLY limiting the commerce clause or ELIMINATE it completely. The reality is we don't need the commerce clause protection as originally intended. It's has become a plague to our liberty and it's time for it to go.

We need to talk term limits for ALL government employees.

Lastly We need to start talking Constitutional Convention to make these changes.

We should frame these talks with the full and open understanding to the left that we will recapture our liberty using any and all tools available by our founding documents. Absolutely nothing is off the table. Per the Declaration.

"That whenever any form of government becomes destructive to these ends, it is the right of the people to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their safety and happiness."

5 posted on 03/27/2012 7:55:26 PM PDT by precisionshootist
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To: precisionshootist

Dictator Baby-Doc Barack has ALWAYS ignored The US Constitution, ESPECIALLY with Obama”care.”

The cancer of Obama”care” now has invaded World Finances as Obama last week choose a “Public health expert” for the World Bank Presidency.

Romney has promised to “Repeal and REPLACE” Obama”care.”

Senator (R Tn) Son-of-a-Mitch McConnell has promised to “Repeal and REPLACE” Obama”care.”

According to Michelle Bachmann (R Min), there are currently over 10, 000 REGULATIONS attached to Obama”care.”
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The major problem with THE NINE SUPREMES is that they are chosen for political reasons by the POTUS, and then they vote as an un-accountable democracy, for a Nation that is NOT a Democracy, but a REPUBLIC.

As a result, THE NINE SUPREMES commonly vote 5 to 4 on most issues. Constitutionality is seldom a consideration, and their up-coming ruling on Obama”care” will prove my point.

Now is the time to stand and deliver to address our grievances to the dictates of the Left.

Oppose the dictates of Dictator Baby-Doc Barack!

Our ONLY chance to ABOLISH Obama”care” rests with THE NINE SUPREMES, because Romney will be defeated by Obama.

IMHO, if Romney is anointed as the RNC Nominee, THE main issue in the National Election, Obama”care,” will be taken off the campaign table. Hence, Romney will not only lose, but suffer another crushing, and sadly typical, RINO defeat.
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To those who want poster ideas, here are a few ideas for demonstration posters:

Obama”care” was robo-signed by Congress, and is therefore illegal.

Obama”care” was 2409 pages long, and is still being written, but not by Congress: witness the forced contraception coverage recently added by HHS Regulators.

Obama”care” has caused “The Catholic Spring.”

Obama”care” reduces competition, and therefore is illegal by the 1890 Sherman Anti-Trust Law.

Obama”care” is designed to be a US Federal Government monopoly, with no competition.

Obama”care” also is illegal according to the US Constitution, because it violates our freedom of choice.

Will THE NINE SUPREMES notice any of these three violations? I seriously doubt it.

BTW, impeached Bill Clinton proved that the US President is above US Federal Law, so anything that the President wants he gets, regardless of the Federal Laws that he has violated.


6 posted on 03/27/2012 8:12:19 PM PDT by Graewoulf ((Dictator Baby-Doc Barack's obama"care" violates Sherman Anti-Trust Law, AND U.S. Constitution.))
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To: precisionshootist
Watch out, for what you wish, regarding a Constitutional Convention, if you don't know already, but if a Constitutional Convention were to take place, there is/are no limit's to what can be put/brought before the Constitutional Convention.

Example, do away with the 2nd Amendment, if the votes are there, say goodbye to a very cherished 2nd Amendment.

7 posted on 03/27/2012 10:27:39 PM PDT by Stanwood_Dave ("Testilying." Cop's don't lie, they just Testily{ing} as taught in their respected Police Academy.)
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To: Stanwood_Dave

“Watch out, for what you wish, regarding a Constitutional Convention, if you don’t know already, but if a Constitutional Convention were to take place, there is/are no limit’s to what can be put/brought before the Constitutional Convention. “

Never happen. This is the argument used to discourage a CC. The reality is a CC would be very limited in scope and would address only a few key issues. Second, the red states and the people that live there far out number the blue states and the kooky left that has hijacked our country and stolen our liberty.


8 posted on 03/27/2012 11:51:34 PM PDT by precisionshootist
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To: precisionshootist
I'm with you, precisionshootist, except for the constitutional convention. If the Bill of Rights were put to a vote today, I'd be very surprised if much of it would survive. There are parts of the Constitution, such as the so-called "commerce clause" and absence of term limits, that need to be amended; the looter class, however, is vehemently opposed to freedom of speech, freedom of religion, and the right to keep and bear arms, and equally vehemently insistent upon an imaginary "right" to the fruits of other people's labor.
9 posted on 03/28/2012 6:15:31 AM PDT by Standing Wolf
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To: Hammerhead
> If they can force to BUY a product, can they then force you NOT to buy a product?

Precisely, all in the name of controlling costs under the rubric of the interstate commerce clause.

ObamaCare already empowers itself to force providers to limit coverage to only what they dictate at the whim of the HHS secretary and the health care panel.

Allowing ObamaCare to stand in any form will mean the end of our republic as founded, since the Federal government will now be officially unrestrained, and put us under a tyrannical "democracy".

10 posted on 03/28/2012 8:41:22 AM PDT by SecondAmendment (Restoring our Republic at 9.8357x10^8 FPS)
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To: Hammerhead

That’s well established - hence the existence of the DEA.


11 posted on 03/28/2012 8:53:53 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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To: precisionshootist
First off let me be perfectly clear, what ever statement's and or questions I ask/present, are only for educational purposes only, so as to be able to learn, and or share idea's.

Assume for the sake of argument, a Constitutional Convention is called, lets use Obama's 57 state's, and we'll say in the Great State of Neverhappeninmylifetime.

I would imagine that for sake of argument, their would be say 2 (two) State Representatives, 2 (two) State Senator's, as well as 2 (two) U.S. Congressional Representatives, and 2 (two) U.S. Senator's. I pick these critter's only because you know were a CC to happen, everyone wants to look SO IMPORTANT.

Simple math: if only 4 (four) people representing each state, total is (4 x 50) 200. If on the other hand, 8 (eight) people representing each state, total is (8 x 50) 400.

Either way, thats a lot of people. I would argue that at said Constitutional Convention, Robert's Rule's of Order would be used, and or something akin to this.

You put forth the proposition that "The reality is a CC would be very limited in scope and would address only a few key issues." I agree, that a "limited scope" Constitutional Convention, could happen, and "only for those issue's agreed to in advance."

Now here is where I'm as dumb as a box of rock's. In an agreed to in advance, limited in scope, Constitutional Convention, why can't someone make a motion (under Robert's Rule's of Order, or whatever else {Rule's of Order} they so choose) to add "X" "Y" or "Z," to test the water's, and if say the presiding person of the Constitutional Convention, decides to go off the track's sort of speak, what's to stop the momentum if it should get leg's????

Please tell me something akin to an earth shattering revelation, like "As soon as the person or person(s) makes the motion to go off the track's, said person or person(s) would immediately be brought out back of the building and shot."

Please tell me more then, "Well it was all agreed to, to convene a limited in scope, Constitutional Convention"

Nothing in my statement(s) and or question(s) should be seen as any kind of attack, they are really, simply for my selfish educational benefit, nothing more, nothing less.

12 posted on 03/31/2012 2:22:19 AM PDT by Stanwood_Dave ("Testilying." Cop's don't lie, they just Testily{ing} as taught in their respected Police Academy.)
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To: precisionshootist
Please also, do take into consideration that $$money$$ / dollar's can buy a lot of people, it's just the difference in price, for each person.

An offer of proof: [William Andrews] Clark's long-standing dream of becoming a United States Senator resulted in scandal in 1899 when it was revealed that he bribed members of the Montana State Legislature in return for their votes. At the time, U.S. Senators were chosen by their respective state legislators; the corruption of his election contributed to the passage of the 17th Amendment. The U.S. Senate refused to seat Clark because of the 1899 bribery scheme, but a later senate campaign was successful, and he served a single term from 1901 until 1907. In responding to criticism of his bribery of the Montana legislature, [William Andrews] Clark is reported to have said, "I never bought a man who wasn't for sale."

13 posted on 03/31/2012 3:03:51 AM PDT by Stanwood_Dave ("Testilying." Cop's don't lie, they just Testily{ing} as taught in their respected Police Academy.)
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To: SecondAmendment

The GOA knows if ObamaCare stands it will be a (short) matter of time before a firearms will be banned as public health issue....I’ve been posting this exact thought, recently. Remember when Obummer talked to the Brady Bunch about a year ago? “We are working under the radar on this” (ban on firearms), and we all thought it was F&F. I think F&F was a small part of it, but the REAL strategy was the Health care horseshit. A few years ago, at my primary physicians office, I was asked a number of questions about my health, “Do you take drugs, how much do you drink,...etc” and the last question was “Do you have any guns in your home?” I asked what the hell did that have to do with my broken ribs? “We are required to ask that under HIPPA laws.” I said “Well you asked it, now get that damned doctor in here to give me my drugs.”


14 posted on 03/31/2012 3:08:54 AM PDT by Safetgiver (I'd rather die under a free American sky than live under a Socialist regime.)
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To: Stanwood_Dave

Yes I know that when a motion is made, that someone has to “second said motion,” then a vote of the motion yeas & nay’s, for the purpose of this discussion, the yeas won, i.e., to go off the track’s of the agreed to in advance, limited in scope, Constitution Convention.


15 posted on 03/31/2012 3:14:42 AM PDT by Stanwood_Dave ("Testilying." Cop's don't lie, they just Testily{ing} as taught in their respected Police Academy.)
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To: Standing Wolf
Sorry but it is 3:10 A.M., I replied to myself, the follow up question to you precisionshootist is:

Yes I know that when a motion is made, that someone has to “second said motion,” then a vote of the motion yeas & nay’s, for the purpose of this discussion, the yeas won, i.e., to go off the track's of the agreed to in advance, limited in scope, Constitution Convention.

What is to stop said happening?

16 posted on 03/31/2012 3:19:07 AM PDT by Stanwood_Dave ("Testilying." Cop's don't lie, they just Testily{ing} as taught in their respected Police Academy.)
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To: Stanwood_Dave
You are asking a lot of excellent questions. I'm not an expert on CC by any means but If you are interested in learning more I highly recommend reading this report from the Goldwater Institute. It's a somewhat lengthy read but it's written by experts on the subject and it's not boring or dry. In fact it's hard to stop reading once you get started. The report is in several parts. Here is the link where you can find the articles and download them. If you read it let me know what you think.

http://goldwaterinstitute.org/article/amending-constitution-convention-complete-view-founders-plan-part-1-series

17 posted on 03/31/2012 11:11:28 AM PDT by precisionshootist
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To: precisionshootist
I've just loaded the link, thank you.

Give me about 3 or 4 day's and I'll get back to you on the subject.

18 posted on 03/31/2012 3:05:25 PM PDT by Stanwood_Dave ("Testilying." Cop's don't lie, they just Testily{ing} as taught in their respected Police Academy.)
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To: precisionshootist
From the report:

This report demonstrates that the historical record during the Founding era establishes a clear roadmap to guide the Article V amendment process. Among other seminal discoveries, this report reveals that the Framers rejected drafts of Article V that contemplated the very kind of wide-open convention that could “run away,” substituting instead a provision for a limited-scope convention, attended by state-chosen delegates, and addressed to specific subject matters.

Of course, abuses of the Article V constitutional amendment process are possible. But that possibility must be viewed against the clear and present danger to individual rights and freedom of doing nothing.

Not looking good, right off the bat, their offering what I personally call the Christopher Columbus Doctrine, as follows: Columbus took a chance, look at what he found, ergo you should take a chance also, to sink & or drown.

19 posted on 03/31/2012 3:19:10 PM PDT by Stanwood_Dave ("Testilying." Cop's don't lie, they just Testily{ing} as taught in their respected Police Academy.)
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