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The Republic, if We Can Keep It (CW2)
American Thinker ^ | March 29, 2012 | Michael Applebaum, MD

Posted on 03/29/2012 5:56:51 AM PDT by Travis McGee

Edited on 03/29/2012 6:02:43 AM PDT by Admin Moderator. [history]

With its uninterrupted history of peaceful transition of power through elections, America has a multitude of citizens who justifiably feel pride in the strength of their democracy. But it cannot be denied that political tensions are rising, and it is not uncommon for occupants of both ends of the political spectrum to voice fears of (or hopes for) revolution. Is there any reason to believe that the republic is in danger of revolutionary activity?


TOPICS: Government; Politics; Science
KEYWORDS: absolutedespotism; bloodoftyrants; cw2; cwii; cwiiping; libertyordeath; longtrainofabuses; tyranny; usurpations; waronliberty
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1 posted on 03/29/2012 5:56:59 AM PDT by Travis McGee
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To: Eaker; Absolutely Nobama; afnamvet; AK2KX; Ancesthntr; An Old Man; APatientMan; ApesForEvolution; ..

CW2 Ping

CW2 openly discussed at American Thinker.

2 posted on 03/29/2012 5:58:50 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

Why is it constantly referred to as CW2 instead of Revolutionary War 2?


3 posted on 03/29/2012 6:07:08 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: Travis McGee
Responsible Americans of all political stripes should seek to keep our political conflicts within the boundaries constitutionally laid out for change.

We've tried this ad nauseum. Our "Representatives" don't wish to represent us any more than we wish to be bothered by the government. The American "experiment" has failed and is turning into a crusty mess at the bottom of history's petri dish.

Sadly, the intellectual genius and spiritual enlightenment of our Founders is lacking on one or both fronts in an overwhelming majority of our electorate and trying to find someone or a group of men who would be willing to pledge their lives, fortunes, and sacred honor will be akin to searching for a conservative in the Republican party. Too many wolves among us.

4 posted on 03/29/2012 6:08:58 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: Travis McGee
CWII...bump...,

NBP party should heed the old saying:

...better be careful of what you wish for....you may get it!

..

5 posted on 03/29/2012 6:12:32 AM PDT by B.O. Plenty (Elections have consequences....)
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To: Travis McGee

Thanks for the link Travis,

3/4 of the way done with Enemies and Traitors - great read.

So who would you be - Carson?

Regards,
Lurking’


6 posted on 03/29/2012 6:13:33 AM PDT by LurkingSince'98 (Catholics=John 6:53-58 Everyone else=John 6:60-66)
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To: Durus

Because our goal is to preserve the existing Constitution.

If anything, we’d be counter-revolutionaries.


7 posted on 03/29/2012 6:18:02 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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To: Travis McGee
Is there any reason to believe that the republic is in danger of revolutionary activity?

They have been at it for a century and we are just now asking this question?

Restoring America is now the revolutionary activity and the danger is that there is not enough of it.

8 posted on 03/29/2012 6:20:57 AM PDT by GeronL (The Right to Life came before the Right to Pursue Happiness)
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To: rarestia

The American “experiment” SUCCEEDED.
Alas, the petri dish got infected, and needs a good dose of chlorine.

If you get pneumonia, you don’t just go “oh well, humans were a great idea but I guess rank bacteria wins, time to expire” - you give the host a massive dose of antibiotics.


9 posted on 03/29/2012 6:21:17 AM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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To: Travis McGee
"Responsible Americans of all political stripes should seek to keep our political conflicts within the boundaries constitutionally laid out for change."

When your political adversaries are blatantly ignoring/undermining the Constitution, and your Oath is to uphold and defend it against all enemies foreign and domestic, refer back to the Declaration of Independence:

But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.

10 posted on 03/29/2012 6:22:58 AM PDT by DTogo (High time to bring back the Sons of Liberty !!)
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To: Travis McGee

Why are we afraid to discuss it? Commies have been openly screaming Revolution for years. And they made it to the White House!


11 posted on 03/29/2012 6:27:31 AM PDT by vanilla swirl (searching for something meaningfull to say)
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To: Travis McGee

Ping for later


12 posted on 03/29/2012 6:27:59 AM PDT by ishmac (Lady Thatcher:"There are no permanent defeats in politics because there are no permanent victories.)
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To: Travis McGee

It’ll never happen. Most people don’t want that kind of trouble, and those who do are few and disorganized — and some of them are just plain kidding themselves.
The govt has the power to squelch discontent from those few who are serious enough to call for govt attention.
It can take your job, bank accounts, home, car, guns, all your assets, plus your children and your liberty and your sacred internet access, between sunup and sundown. Without firing a shot.
Still feeling rebellious? It can do the same to your friends, family, employer, neighbors; so don’t count on them. That leaves your dog, and he’s dead.
Now let’s be real. The only civil war that will be permitted is the one where unionists, panthers, and community organizers riot, occupy, vandalize, and burn someone else’s stuff. And even that will have a time limit and a limited objective.
In the end (prior to the Second Coming), the people who make the most babies, win.


13 posted on 03/29/2012 6:36:06 AM PDT by Lady Lucky
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To: Travis McGee
I don't want war. I don't want millions of my fellow Americans to lie dead or dying from conflict. I do not want to take up arms against those running our Government.

I also refuse to live on my knees. I refuse to subject my children to being raised as dependent slaves of the Nanny State. I refuse to allow my earnings to be taken from me to support causes that are the very definition of Socialism and anathema to our Constitution and heritage as Americans.

Our government is out of control. It no longer heeds to bonds of the Constitution and the system of checks and balances was discarded for political expediency long ago.

If we are to survive as a Nation, this needs to change. Radically so...

14 posted on 03/29/2012 6:48:28 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)
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To: LurkingSince'98; Travis McGee
3/4 of the way done with Enemies and Traitors - great read. So who would you be - Carson?

I don't know Matt personally, but I see his background and expertise in many of the trilogy's characters, as well as in "Castigo Cay's" protagonist Dan Kilmer.

Matt certainly has the "snake eater" background that Phil and Boone Vikersun (Viker like biker) share.

I see new insights in these books every time I read them.

15 posted on 03/29/2012 6:56:18 AM PDT by backwoods-engineer (I will vote against ANY presidential candidate who had non-citizen parents.)
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To: Travis McGee

The people gave away, or actually sold it for “Federal Dollars” their Republic a long time ago, my Friend. What the 2008 election proved and the 2012 election will affirm is that a majority of those who vote and claim that the “participate in the Democratic Process” continue to affirm they prefer to live the “secure” lives of a Governmental Slave to the uncertainities of freedom and personal responsibilitiy. Just in my short lifetime I have seen it go from people distaining and refusing Governmental handouts to demanding Govermental handouts. Once that threshole is crossed, freedom becomes merely an illusion.


16 posted on 03/29/2012 6:56:41 AM PDT by sport
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To: Durus
Why is it constantly referred to as CW2 instead of Revolutionary War 2?

An internal enemy, instead of an external one. Also, the need to restore rather than to overthrow.

17 posted on 03/29/2012 7:38:05 AM PDT by JimRed (Excising a cancer before it kills us waters the Tree of Liberty! TERM LIMITS, NOW AND FOREVER!)
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To: ctdonath2

Listen, I’m not saying that America as a country is over. Just like Rome, we will continue on into history. The original intent, the idea of conservative Republicanism, is over. People know they can vote themselves money. People know how to game the system. The upheaval required to bring us back to the Founders’ original intent would be monumental and I know few people who would be willing to even attempt it.


18 posted on 03/29/2012 7:53:57 AM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: Travis McGee

If you want revolutionary change and a return to our historic roots, it’s simple. Completely remove the welfare state. The hurt can be minimized if it’s done gradually and with intelligence. Case closed.


19 posted on 03/29/2012 7:57:54 AM PDT by No One Special
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To: vanilla swirl; All

BINGO!!!

In the end when and if it comes to that, no one wins...

But at least one side will make an impact when the dust settles...

In the last year alone it seems the country, led by this government is doing things to speed up disfunctionality, unrest, doing everything it can to cause instability...And everyday it seems to be picking up speed in this nosedive...

And if we expect the Republicans to somehow pull us out of this nosedive...

I got some swampland in Louisiana I wanna sell ya...Cheap!!!

Both sides of the political spectrum are cowards...They do things expecting they’ll be around after the dust settles and Americans have gotten this tension out of their system...

Big time assumption on their part...


20 posted on 03/29/2012 8:21:11 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (I'm jus' sayin')
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To: sport

The history of this nation has not been taught to the last two generations. That’s why it’s almost over.


21 posted on 03/29/2012 8:25:26 AM PDT by Terry Mross ( "It happened. And we let it happen. - Peter Griffin, Family Guy)
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To: ctdonath2; Durus

>Why is it constantly referred to as CW2 instead of Revolutionary War 2?<

>>Because our goal is to preserve the existing Constitution.

If anything, we’d be counter-revolutionaries.<<

WHAT IS A PATRIOT?

PATRIOTS are not “Revolutionaries” trying to overthrow the government of the United States.

PATRIOTS are “Counter-Revolutionaries” trying to prevent the government of the United States,
from overthrowing the Constitution of the United States. - Unknown Author


22 posted on 03/29/2012 8:30:32 AM PDT by B4Ranch (There's Two Choices... Stand Up and Be Counted ... Or Line Up and Be Numbered ...)
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To: Terry Mross

Amen to that! And it was by design, not omission.


23 posted on 03/29/2012 8:40:48 AM PDT by sport
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To: Travis McGee; All

Economic deprivation of society at large was not a factor Brinton found to be of significance (Anatomy, at 32). However:

... what provokes a group to attack a government is not simply deprivation or misery, but an “intolerable gap between what people want and what they get[.]” (Anatomy, at 30)


And the word “get” is not what I believe some of us expect, or feel entitled to, for lack of a better term...

We simply want the Federal government to live within its means, and stay out of our lives as much as possible...

The more that happens...Prosperity, both economically and socially will occur, it has to...

A total rejection will need to have happen to ensure some form of continuity to the next iteration of this country, if the bubble bursts...

But as someone here said earlier, it’s going to take the same kind of people (they know a few) of Founding Father caliber to step up and fix/rebuild this nation...

I’m not so sure there are enough people like that to do the job...Furthermore, the country and the world haas changed quite a bit since those heady days of the Continental Congress and those white guys in wigs first got together to figure this thing out...

But that doesn’t mean we cannot go back and study what and how they did it...

I would though like to propose a thought process, plant a seed...

If the Federal government shut down due to fiscal insolvency, and no remedy is immediately put into place to correct the problem, not delay the inevitable by spending bills just to keep them running...

I believe the congress, Senate and administration should step down immediately and a process for a national election within one week be allowed to take place, however impractical that may be, if they cannot be good stewards of our expectation to correct their fiscal irresponsibilities, then it is obvious we have the wrong people in there...

But again, we are talking about political cowards, and they tend to do things that do not put themselves in any jeopardy...

Just my opinion, shootin’ from the hip...So to speak...


24 posted on 03/29/2012 8:40:56 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (I'm jus' sayin')
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To: No One Special

As long as politicians are elected by majority vote, the welfare state will only grow larger.


25 posted on 03/29/2012 8:45:00 AM PDT by sport
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To: All

“I got some swampland in Louisiana I wanna sell ya...Cheap!!!”

Correction...It is really a Crawdad Farm...Only swampland if ya buy it...

;-)


26 posted on 03/29/2012 8:57:00 AM PDT by stevie_d_64 (I'm jus' sayin')
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To: Travis McGee

bfl


27 posted on 03/29/2012 8:58:06 AM PDT by antisocial (Texas SCV - Deo Vindice)
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To: B4Ranch

” WHAT IS A PATRIOT?

PATRIOTS are not “Revolutionaries” trying to overthrow the government of the United States.

PATRIOTS are “Counter-Revolutionaries” trying to prevent the government of the United States,
from overthrowing the Constitution of the United States. - Unknown Author”

B U M P


28 posted on 03/29/2012 9:05:09 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: Dead Corpse

Clean house in D.C., or the alternative is obvious.


29 posted on 03/29/2012 9:11:35 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: sport
Let it be impressed on your mind that God commands you to choose for rulers just men who will rule in the fear of God [Exodus 18:21]. . . . If the citizens neglect their duty and place unprincipled men in office, the government will soon be corrupted . . If our government fails to secure public prosperity and happiness, it must be because the citizens neglect the Divine commands, and elect bad men to make and administer the laws. [Noah Webster, The History of the United States (New Haven: Durrie and Peck, 1832), pp. 336-337, 49]
30 posted on 03/29/2012 9:33:25 AM PDT by No One Special
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To: No One Special

Your post # 30 tells the tale, doesn’t it?


31 posted on 03/29/2012 9:50:12 AM PDT by sport
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To: ctdonath2; B4Ranch; JimRed
I fear it will become increasing obvious to almost everyone that we no longer live in a constitutional republic. Our government has knowingly, and for at least the last 80 years, worked to subvert the constitution in order to become our rulers.

As such I prefer RW2 because reversing this course is more similar to the Revolutionary War to the Civil War.

32 posted on 03/29/2012 10:15:23 AM PDT by Durus (You can avoid reality, but you cannot avoid the consequences of avoiding reality. Ayn Rand)
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To: sport

No. It’s just a way of looking at things.


33 posted on 03/29/2012 10:25:15 AM PDT by No One Special
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To: rarestia

>>The American “experiment” has failed and is turning into a crusty mess at the bottom of history’s petri dish.<<

IF it has failed, it is because We, the people have done little to keep it alive. Contrast your life today to that of the Founding Fathers. Could we give up half as much? A quarter? An eighth perhaps? We have failed to heed Franklin’s warning. We have failed to hear Jefferson’s plea.

It is useless to try and work within the current system. Look at what has happened to the “TEA Party” candidates we helped to elect. They are all falling over themselves to out-RHINO the RHINOs.


34 posted on 03/29/2012 10:46:15 AM PDT by NTHockey (Rules of engagement #1: Take no prisoners)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Just cleaning the House won’t get rid of all of the vermin. We may need to fumigate...


35 posted on 03/29/2012 10:52:09 AM PDT by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)
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To: Dead Corpse

Fumigate.....yeah, good idea. We won’t have to search for mold though.....just remove McConnell, McCain and Lugar, and most of the mold will be gone : )


36 posted on 03/29/2012 11:36:18 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: Dead Corpse

I forgot Graham.....the poofter!


37 posted on 03/29/2012 11:47:55 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: Travis McGee
With its uninterrupted history of peaceful transition of power through elections,

except CW I and reconstruction. southern states did not participate in national elections.

38 posted on 03/29/2012 12:10:22 PM PDT by matt1234 (Bring back the HUAC.)
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To: NTHockey

I’m 32. I could do without any gaming console. I could do without my computer. I could do without my TV. I could even make do, albeit with difficulty, without my car. I could do without air conditioning (saying a lot since I live in Florida) and without power, if it came to that.

I cannot do without my weaponry. I cannot do without the love of my family. I cannot do without my country.

I would fight until I’m no longer breathing, and I fear that it will come to that in my lifetime. America gave up on itself. I haven’t given up on America.


39 posted on 03/29/2012 2:43:45 PM PDT by rarestia (It's time to water the Tree of Liberty.)
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To: LurkingSince'98

There is a little bit of me in all of them. Not Phil Carson so much — I’m younger and prettier than that old cripple.


40 posted on 03/29/2012 2:51:28 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Dead Corpse
I also refuse to live on my knees. And the king is more and more explicit that we must. This does not portend peace.
41 posted on 03/29/2012 2:54:07 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Durus; ctdonath2; CodeToad; Lazamataz

The correct definition might be the CR1, or the First Counter-Revolution. For what is occurring is a covert revolution by leftist Alynskyites, pretending to use the constitutional framework, while legislating (including by leftist judges) revolution in the Marxist sense.

So we are actually counter-revolutionaries, working to defend and uphold the existing Constitution. No more, no less. And that is why the oath will become central to the war, whatever it is called.

And in any event, no matter how it started, as defined by our side or theirs, the result will be a bloody Civil War, sort of Bosnia times Rwanda. Yes, it will be a Civil War. Historians can quibble about definitions.


42 posted on 03/29/2012 3:02:10 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

We murder our offspring
We put our returning veterans of war on government watch lists
We elect “leaders” solely because they will take fewer freedoms away
We debate the role and place for our enemies amongst us
We accept that whole sections of our populace want and demand what they have not earned
We sit idly and discuss the fact that the Founders of our great country would have been at war by now...


43 posted on 03/29/2012 3:19:17 PM PDT by APatientMan (Pick a side)
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To: Travis McGee
when it starts, those that have refused to work and carry their own weight better hang onto their azz cause they will be some of the first to go...

no pity for the lazy

44 posted on 03/29/2012 3:19:49 PM PDT by Chode (American Hedonist - *DTOM* -ww- NO Pity for the LAZY)
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To: Travis McGee

Read mycomments years ago, that is what I called it, a counter-revolution.


45 posted on 03/29/2012 3:20:11 PM PDT by CodeToad (I'm so right-wing if I lifted my left leg I'd go into a spin.)
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To: No One Special

I don’t think it can be done gradually, though a few years of horrific inflation might make it brief.


46 posted on 03/29/2012 3:20:45 PM PDT by tbw2
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To: APatientMan

For now, the dam is still holding.


47 posted on 03/29/2012 3:33:50 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

We want to live in peace. To deal with each other as absolute equals.

They demand our obedience and refuse to leave us alone.

Defensive use of force is ALWAYS ethical.

The calculus is pretty damn clear from there.


48 posted on 03/29/2012 3:35:09 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)
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To: Travis McGee
I sure hope not. I'm a lousy shot and I hate bugs.

I can do the cyber tho.

49 posted on 03/29/2012 3:39:45 PM PDT by Lazamataz (Shut up and drill.)
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To: ctdonath2
If you get pneumonia, you don’t just go “oh well, humans were a great idea but I guess rank bacteria wins, time to expire” - you give the host a massive dose of antibiotics.

But in this case, tragically, many of the host's own cells (the electorate) have turned against the body and joined the invaders (the Marxists). Kind of like cancer.

50 posted on 03/29/2012 3:41:19 PM PDT by steve86 (Acerbic by nature not nurture TM)
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