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Read This First Before You Decide That Preppers Are Crazy
TEC ^ | 4-2-2012 | Michael Snyder

Posted on 04/03/2012 11:13:52 AM PDT by blam

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1 posted on 04/03/2012 11:14:17 AM PDT by blam
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To: Kartographer
Posted by Kartographer yesterday:

Just In Time: When The Trucks Stop, America Will Stop

2 posted on 04/03/2012 11:17:15 AM PDT by blam
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To: Kartographer

Prepper Ping


3 posted on 04/03/2012 11:18:19 AM PDT by KC_Lion (I will NEVER vote for Romney, the GOP will go the way of the Whigs if they nominate him)
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To: blam; waterhill; ixtl
When the trucks stop running in America, there will be mass chaos.

Are you prepared for that?

I don't think most people would be prepared enough, even some of the die-hard preppers.

I just plan on taking out as many zombies as possible before they get me.....

Prepper (((ping)))

4 posted on 04/03/2012 11:20:26 AM PDT by Envisioning ( Call me a racist................, one more time......................)
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To: blam

Odds are the government will be the ones to start the problems.


5 posted on 04/03/2012 11:21:18 AM PDT by wastedyears (Signature for sale.)
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To: blam

You see, it is very expensive to hold and store inventory-————

Makes one wonder why ‘inventories rose’ being reported month after month doesn’t it?

We know they store the oil on barges offshore, but where are all the other ‘inventories’ being stored?


6 posted on 04/03/2012 11:24:48 AM PDT by Freddd (No PA Engineers)
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To: blam

All the warning signs are here, and it is prudent to think about how one should react given any of the dire signs occur.

However, I have a big, big problem on the Prepper shows. Firstly, a real prepper doesn’t advertise. At most he/she seeks out others to learn and prepare with. Secondly, advertising - participating in the ridiculous “Prepper” shows on TV is assinine. It gives the liberal conglomerate ammunition to marginalize and denounce. It also transmits to the enemy how preppers can be defeated.

An example of this is the DHS probing and questioning suppliers of emergency goods. This is fact and has been discussed here. It does not make good sense to advertise openly what you do if you have enemies that want to enslave you.


7 posted on 04/03/2012 11:24:51 AM PDT by Gaffer
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To: blam
I think all human-kind instinctively know something has been set in motion. Not just preppers. Just look at the multitude of popular TV programs that are now focused around post-apocalyptic survival skills and guns. They are on every channel. It’s an epidemic of TV programming targeted to an ever growing audience. JMO - Like dogs that can sense an upcoming earthquake, I think God has given man the senses to detect something much much bigger.
8 posted on 04/03/2012 11:27:17 AM PDT by NavyCanDo (You can take an idiot out of Chicago, but you can’t take the Chicago out of an idiot!)
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To: blam

It is good to know all the preppers near you.


9 posted on 04/03/2012 11:30:57 AM PDT by Berlin_Freeper
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To: blam

I posted the original articlethis yesterday as blam shows in post#2 so I will not ping the preppers list.

If nothing else the whole worlds economy is a house of cards just waiting for the right zephyr to send it tumbling.

If the present spending continues I don’t see how we can avoid a collapse like that of Argentina ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7yerKMQc7-w&feature=grec_index )but on a global scale.

But the market is up you say, yeah it’s up using billions in ‘printed’ money in the hands of corrupted bankers, investors and their cronies. The world is now flooded with fake and faux money. The game is so rigged and now even the ‘house’ is starting to lose.

When the whole thing tanks as it will what do you think the entiled class will do when they can’t get their cell phones, their food stamps and EBT cards, rent vouchers and so forth.

What we will see is a much more violent version of Argentina, we will certainly see something much closer to Bosnia. American has become Balkanized and splintered, we no longer share the same basic beliefs we have become pocks of people with little in common with one another.

And many of this pockets are very larger entitlement minded and believe they are owed much by others and already shown that they will use violence to get their due.

I see many many small business wiped out by flash mob looting, and see rape, robbery and murder for murder sake. You will see what I call ‘pocket pogroms’ where ‘yutes’ will think no more about killing those unlike them than most people think about stepping on a roach. That will be the test of many. Most preppers I know are Christian people and they will hesitate to do what they might have to do to stop the ‘yutes’. On the other hand the ‘yutes’ won’t think twice nor lose a minute of sleep, in fact they will smile and laugh about it.

Think of this quote which is one of my favorites:

“Star Trek: Deep Space Nine: The Siege of AR-558 (#7.8)” (1998)
Quark: Let me tell you something about Hew-mons, Nephew. They’re a wonderful, friendly people, as long as their bellies are full and their holosuites are working. But take away their creature comforts, deprive them of food, sleep, sonic showers, put their lives in jeopardy over an extended period of time and those same friendly, intelligent, wonderful people... will become as nasty and as violent as the most bloodthirsty Klingon. You don’t believe me? Look at those faces. Look in their eyes.

On top of all who knows how many saboteurs (Islamic, Chinese etc) and sleepers have crossed our borders and are now just waiting to cause havoc.

For those who are just starting or are old hands at prepping you may find my Preparedness Manual helpfull. You can download it at:

http://tomeaker.com/kart/Preparedness1j.pdf

NOTE! THIS IS A FREE DOWNLOAD. I DO NOT MAKE ONE CENT OFF MY PREPAREDNESS MANUAL!

For those of you who haven’t started already it’s time to prepare almost past time maybe. You needed to be stocking up on food guns, ammo, basic household supplies like soap, papergoods, cleaning supplies, good sturdy clothes including extra socks, underwear and extra shoes and boots, a extra couple changes of oil and filters for your car, tools, things you buy everyday start buying two and put one up.

As the LDS say “When the emergency is upon us the time for preparedness has past.”

Or as the bible says: A prudent man sees danger and takes refuge, but the simple keep going and suffer for it.
NIV Proverbs 22:3

Lastly this for the doubters and the scoffers.

“There is no greater disaster than to underestimate danger.

Underestimation can be fatal.”


10 posted on 04/03/2012 11:37:10 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: MrB
IBTSMN&THS guy

(in before the “shoot my neighbor and take his stuff” guy)

11 posted on 04/03/2012 11:39:33 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

I had questions for you.

How is the ammo can rocket stove working out?
Have you done some quantifying with it yet (pounds of sticks vs time to boil X ounces of water)?

How much does the whole thing weigh?


12 posted on 04/03/2012 11:44:30 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: MrB

Planing to post something this weekend.


13 posted on 04/03/2012 11:48:58 AM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: NavyCanDo

That’s what I’ve been saying - we’re near the end, and every human has a sense of that.

Those that don’t have the truth of God’s Word, and the Spirit to understand it, are truly anxious and worried and looking for something to pin that anxiety on.

Sun spots. Meteors. Peak Oil. EMP.

People of Christ, look UP, for your redemption is nigh.


14 posted on 04/03/2012 11:52:47 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: MrB; NavyCanDo

Here’s another side of that. I think God expects his people to be ‘DOERS’ and some think that just faith is enough.

If it’s God’s call to end the world there’s nothing a prepper can have or store that will save him, but his faith in the Lord. That said there have been thousand of times in the history of men that they or nature have caused such destruction and misery that people have cried out for the Lord to end it all.

Reminds me of this joke:

God granting miracles
A religious man is on top of a roof during a great flood. A man comes by in a boat and says “get in, get in!” The religous man replies, “ no I have faith in God, he will grant me a miracle.”

Later the water is up to his waist and another boat comes by and the guy tells him to get in again. He responds that he has faith in god and god will give him a miracle. With the water at about chest high, another boat comes to rescue him, but he turns down the offer again cause “God will grant him a miracle.”

With the water at chin high, a helicopter throws down a ladder and they tell him to get in, mumbling with the water in his mouth, he again turns down the request for help for the faith of God. He arrives at the gates of heaven with broken faith and says to Peter, I thought God would grand me a miracle and I have been let down.” St. Peter chuckles and responds, “I don’t know what you’re complaining about, we sent you three boats and a helicopter.”


15 posted on 04/03/2012 12:03:59 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: blam
During Digital Equipment Corporation's long, hideous slide to corporate death, I worked for a while in the company's Six Sigma Group. This nonsensical fraud claimed that we could become so efficient that there would be only three mistakes per one million actions -- the 6th standard deviation above the median number of mistakes per one million. This is, of course, quite impossible in any human activity, but 6S had its grip on a lot of companies in those days. Part of 6S was JIT -- Just in Time Inventory Management, as referred to in this article. JIT is a bomb balancing on a beach ball; even the slightest outside force brings the whole thing down into disaster.

We do indeed live in a world in which an end to long-range road transport would result in our being instantly thrust back into the 18th century. This is the theme of a lot of sci fi, some of it very good. Get yourself and your family prepared.

16 posted on 04/03/2012 12:19:03 PM PDT by pabianice (")
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To: wastedyears

Both ends of the spectrum are problematic. Thugs and gangs on one end. An armed goverment/military that regards you as a supply depot is another.


17 posted on 04/03/2012 12:22:36 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (I'd like to tell you, but then I'd have to kill you.)
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To: Kartographer

“Planing to post something this weekend.

Where?

Blog?
Website?
FR at large?
FR subscription list?

Thanks.


18 posted on 04/03/2012 12:23:14 PM PDT by EyeGuy (2012: When the Levee Breaks)
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To: MrB

Amen, Bro! AMEN!


19 posted on 04/03/2012 12:24:11 PM PDT by hope
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To: Kartographer

Great post. We’re not LDS but one thing we learned from the LDS was to put up 12 months of food and etc. for a ‘just in case’.

Living in a rural area our #1 concern in a crisis is not our neighbors, but the hordes of urban dwellers who will flee the hellholes that politically correct cities will become in the absence of authority. Post-Katrina New Orleans was a lesson for all who would pay attention.

Now imagine every city in America becoming a New Orleans and then millions hitting the road looking to invade YOUR ranch, steal YOUR home, eat YOUR cattle, and etc.

We’ll be just fine in an emergency and I imagine our nearby town will be just fine, too. But if thousands of entitlement babies come our way demanding ‘their fair share’ from us we’ll be happy to first share our ammunition with them and then we’ll be happy to parcel out real estate to them in 6x2x6 shares.


20 posted on 04/03/2012 12:25:11 PM PDT by MeganC (No way in Hell am I voting for Mitt Romney. Not now, not ever. Deal with it.)
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To: blam

As I read this article, I couldn’t help but think of a family we know who prepped big-time for Y2K only to have their basement clogged for about six years afterward.

Depending on the disaster, most of the supplies would be worthless anyway. If you are dying of some kind of radiation poison or other biological, then a lot of good all the Spam, powdered milk, or syrup will be. Also, do these preppers then build themselves a FORT? Are they also prepping to turn away relatives who didn’t prep? I could ask a million ?s about this silliness, but for the time being, I’ll just accept that some people exist to entertain us.


21 posted on 04/03/2012 12:32:29 PM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: MeganC

Look on the bright side.
Most of those you’re referring to are simply TOO LAZY to make the trip out to your farm or ranch and steal your stuff.


22 posted on 04/03/2012 12:34:25 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Paved Paradise

Eat what you store, store what you eat.

Also, don’t buy a bunch of crap that won’t make your life better NOW, as well as post-”shift”.


23 posted on 04/03/2012 12:39:01 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: EyeGuy

FR Weekly Prepper Thread.


24 posted on 04/03/2012 12:42:02 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: blam
Everyone should read the book "One Second After" by William Forstchen. It's a wake-up call.
25 posted on 04/03/2012 12:42:56 PM PDT by Arcy
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To: Paved Paradise
If you're truly curious, here's a podcast for you:
Reaching the Unreachable
26 posted on 04/03/2012 12:43:50 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: MrB

No thanks. Meanwhile, what do you think the “preppers” are going to do about all the people they love who are on serious medications such as insulin? No way can a person prep for that (at least not for the time frame the preppers seem to be concerned with).

As for all of these nincompoops on here talking about the unwashed urban masses invading them in their rural shangri-la’s, I have never seen so much mean-spirited - and I mean truly evil - thinking when people start talking about this. I have a hunch that the city folks most people are referring to will implode before they ever get out to the country.

Whatever happened to “love thy neighbor?”


27 posted on 04/03/2012 12:43:55 PM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: MrB

I am not curious, but thanks. Don’t have time to listen to a podcast now. Still, thanks.


28 posted on 04/03/2012 12:45:19 PM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: Paved Paradise
I could ask a million ?s about this silliness, but for the time being, I’ll just accept that some people exist to entertain us.

Do you have a spare tire? That's just so silly.

29 posted on 04/03/2012 12:45:19 PM PDT by bgill
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To: bgill

I have a husband. I don’t need a spare tire. Meanwhile, to compare that with this whole prepper phenom is absurd.


30 posted on 04/03/2012 12:46:17 PM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: blam; Alamo-Girl; Amityschild; AngieGal; AnimalLover; Ann de IL; aposiopetic; aragorn; auggy; ...

IMPORTANT REALITY CHECK

RE PREPPING . . .

END TIMES PING LIST PING TO THE OP


31 posted on 04/03/2012 12:46:48 PM PDT by Quix (Times are a changin' INSURE you have believed in your heart & confessed Jesus as Lord Come NtheFlesh)
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To: wastedyears

The government will step in and pick up a fee like a perv lawyer or a rotten cop after ladies in distress.
It’s too easy.


32 posted on 04/03/2012 12:48:13 PM PDT by JudgemAll (Democrats Fed. job-security Whorocracy & hate:hypocrites must be gay like us or be tested/crucified)
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To: blam

Propane and Propane accessories

We have a propane generator.


33 posted on 04/03/2012 12:56:57 PM PDT by wolfcreek (‘closed eye’ mentality is the reason for our current reality)
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To: bgill

Stay safe...don’t know if you are in the line of fire with the storms.


34 posted on 04/03/2012 1:00:49 PM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: Paved Paradise

I don’t know who you are referring to when you say they’re “mean-spirited” or “evil”. Most of the “shoot people who ask for food” people have been purged from the prepper threads as inappropriate.

Most preppers have a “charity stash”, but we also know that some folks aren’t prepared to receive charity but would instead try to take by force, and we’re prepared for both.


35 posted on 04/03/2012 1:32:11 PM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: Paved Paradise
I could ask a million ?s about this silliness, but for the time being, I’ll just accept that some people exist to entertain us.

Thanks for the insult. I'm sure many here feel the same way.

After Katrina I was able to help many people in my area for weeks because of my silliness. You can bet that all those folks have a different attitude about prepping now. Most of my neighborhood is now stocked up at all times.

Did you just come on this thread to make snide remarks?

-houeto.

36 posted on 04/03/2012 1:41:28 PM PDT by houeto
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To: blam

I remember one suggestion I heard a while back; that was to put back a reasonable supply of small denominations of money - ones, fives, and tens, and some smallish coins - because you may need to have some exact change due to cash registers not working. Assuming even that would be acceptable in such an event, but you stand a better chance of functioning with a few ones and fives instead of having a bunch of large bills that require change when you make a purchase. - Hide them in a safe place; and have a decoy piggy bank in plain site with some pennies and nickels and a few dimes in it so possibly a thief would be tickled to find that and move on.

We need to be on speaking terms with our neighbors just in case we have to go to a barter system, too.

We also need to keep our gasoline tanks in our cars reasonably well filled. We live quite far out in the country.

Regarding food; take the advice of Doris Jantzen Longacre (”The More With Less” books from years ago) and SHORTEN YOUR SHOPPING LIST, eat simpler, and quit trying to eat gourmet every day. Be sure to provide for WATER, WATER, WATER. You can’t live very long without it; you can live a long time on less food than you’re used to. I have a lot stored on the “fat of the land”.

A source of heat in winter months is vital. We got a wood stove several years ago; and have not regretted it. Also got an automatic wood splitter that’s been worth every penny we paid for it. Last year, the storms toppled lots of trees on our place; fortunately, husband likes to use the chain saw, but if you have to, BUY some good stove wood. - Also, have some serious cover (quilts, blankets, etc.) squirrelled away.

No one listens to a -
Twinkie -
But, this is some good advice!


37 posted on 04/03/2012 2:10:41 PM PDT by Twinkie (John 3:16)
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To: Kartographer

Lots of work went into that manual
Thanks


38 posted on 04/03/2012 2:18:18 PM PDT by Sasparilla
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To: houeto

If you read most of the comments, you’ll realize that most of these folks are not planning or intending to help others. Meanwhile, help comes in many forms, so I’m sure others helped in different ways than you. Why don’t you just respect that not everyone is a “chicken little” type. And if you are going to be that kind of person, you better get used to the insults. If you want to say “told ya so” then fine with me...should that moment arise.


39 posted on 04/03/2012 2:19:29 PM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: MrB

So, Mr. B, you think that a person has to actually threaten “shooting” someone to be mean-spirited? My standards are somewhat different than yours. The comments I am referring to are right on this thread; not pulled by the moderator, nor should they be, but to me are very telling about the sorts of people who are “preppers.” Meanwhile, I don’t consider people who plan for storms as “preppers.” Preppers are planning for a complete breakdown that is going to last and last...not just a week without power.


40 posted on 04/03/2012 2:22:30 PM PDT by Paved Paradise
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To: Paved Paradise

“Whatever happened to “love thy neighbor?””

Your neighbors will kill you and feed themselves from your food. Hungry people do amazingly evil things and we have millions of evil people that will also be hungry. Feeding those that cannot feed themselves, such as the elderly, is one thing; trusting hungry able bodied people to act civilly is naive.


41 posted on 04/03/2012 2:23:34 PM PDT by CodeToad (I'm so right-wing if I lifted my left leg I'd go into a spin.)
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To: MrB

“TOO LAZY to make the trip out to your farm “

Yep. History show speople will die rather than walk 1 mile. People walking 5 miles is rare. Just look at Katrina. The vast majority of people have no idea what lies beond their neighborhoods, and, people being afraid of the unknown, simply do not venture out.


42 posted on 04/03/2012 2:26:59 PM PDT by CodeToad (I'm so right-wing if I lifted my left leg I'd go into a spin.)
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To: Paved Paradise
I have a husband. I don’t need a spare tire. Meanwhile, to compare that with this whole prepper phenom is absurd.

Why are you on this thread insulting everyone? If you don't like people who wish to be independent and not dependent on others, then you need to go elsewhere.

I have been prepping for well over a decade. We plan to take care of our relatives, friends and neighbors if need be. We have bought medications for our parents.

It is bad enough that you refuse to prepare to take care of yourself. It is the ultimate sin to not have prepared to take care of your family and neighbors who do not have the resources to do so.

Shame on you.
43 posted on 04/03/2012 3:17:54 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Time to beat the swords of government tyranny into the plowshares of freedom.)
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To: Paved Paradise
"Whatever happened to “love thy neighbor?”

What ever happen to self reliance and taking care of your own?

"Anyone who does not provide for their relatives, and especially for their own household, has denied the faith and is worse than an unbeliever."
1 Timothy 5:8
44 posted on 04/03/2012 4:09:22 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: PA Engineer; CodeToad; houeto; MrB; Paved Paradise

You either prepare and stand on your own beholding to no one or you become dependent on others to provide your basic needs and become there ‘serf’. Me I don’t want to be beholding to anyone for providing what is needed for me and mine. I certainly don’t want to have to kiss some ‘gubberment’ third class bureaucratic to try and coax some help from them, I don’t want some ‘jack booted’ thug herding me in line and telling me where to stand sit eat or sleep. And last but not least I don’t want to be herded in with a bunch of ‘zombies’ and have to worry about not only trying to get basic necessities but having to fight to keep what I manage to get.

But it seems some people are bound and determined to be the ones standing on a bridge waiting for FEMA to bring them a MRE, a bottle of water and a warm blanket and proved the back ground money shot for the network news.


45 posted on 04/03/2012 4:56:51 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: PA Engineer; CodeToad; houeto; MrB; Paved Paradise

You either prepare and stand on your own beholding to no one or you become dependent on others to provide your basic needs and become there ‘serf’. Me I don’t want to be beholding to anyone for providing what is needed for me and mine. I certainly don’t want to have to kiss some ‘gubberment’ third class bureaucratic to try and coax some help from them, I don’t want some ‘jack booted’ thug herding me in line and telling me where to stand sit eat or sleep. And last but not least I don’t want to be herded in with a bunch of ‘zombies’ and have to worry about not only trying to get basic necessities but having to fight to keep what I manage to get.

But it seems some people are bound and determined to be the ones standing on a bridge waiting for FEMA to bring them a MRE, a bottle of water and a warm blanket and proved the back ground money shot for the network news.

Lastly I ask whats worst explaining why you prep or explaining to your loved ones in time of need why you didn’t?


46 posted on 04/03/2012 4:59:26 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer
25 Must Know Skills For Surviving The Coming Nightmare

I'm learning how to repair chain saws.

47 posted on 04/03/2012 5:59:26 PM PDT by blam
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To: TheOldLady


48 posted on 04/03/2012 6:11:50 PM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: Paved Paradise

So, in your opinion, those who are preparing for a long term breakdown,

are INHERENTLY “mean-spirited”?

Why?

This reminds me of my lib-in-law, whose main solace in considering a long term collapse of the economy is that “we’ll all be in the same boat”.

Is it that preppers are planning to NOT be in the “boat” with all the others that is inherently “mean”?

In order to be “nice”, we have to suffer along with the “grasshoppers”?


49 posted on 04/04/2012 5:09:01 AM PDT by MrB (The difference between a Humanist and a Satanist - the latter knows whom he's working for)
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To: MrB

I never said that, MrB. It’s the comments from the preppers regarding the non-preppers and the predictions of what the non-preppers from the city (I just love this constant reference to city people) are going to do.

I am just going to end this with the following line from the Lord’s Prayer: “Give us this day our daily bread.”


50 posted on 04/04/2012 10:20:37 AM PDT by Paved Paradise
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