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Why not have nationalized health care as they do in Britain?
Orange Punch, The Orange County Register political commentary blog ^ | 4-5-2012 | Mark Landsbaum

Posted on 04/05/2012 11:16:45 AM PDT by landsbaum

The defenders of Obamacare, it is pretty obvious, don’t intend to stop with dictating that you buy insurance, and what kind of insurance, and how much you must pay. They want a nationalized health care plan like Great Britain’s. Obamacare is a step, albeit a big step, in that direction. So, what would it be like to put the government in charge of your health care? Isn’t that British system wonderful? Not exactly. But George Orwell would recognize it. “An elderly woman was ordered to find a new GP because the ‘carbon footprint’ of her two-mile round trips to the surgery where she had been treated for 30 years was too large,” reports the Telegraph. ...

(Excerpt) Read more at orangepunch.ocregister.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Government; Health/Medicine; Politics
KEYWORDS: carbonfootprint; governmentcontrol; healthmandates; obamacare

1 posted on 04/05/2012 11:16:52 AM PDT by landsbaum
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To: landsbaum
Why not have nationalized health care as they do in Britain?

Because IT SUCKS and costs too much?

2 posted on 04/05/2012 11:21:15 AM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: landsbaum

How about over 2 years and almost 40 gall bladder attacks before surgery could be scheduled?

OUCH! over and over! Now fighting for the pain pills that she has become addicted to taking!


3 posted on 04/05/2012 11:22:03 AM PDT by 3D-JOY
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To: 3D-JOY

Or how about waiting six months for emergency surgery only to die after two?


4 posted on 04/05/2012 11:23:45 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: landsbaum

Take Obamacare and this third world president to hell!


5 posted on 04/05/2012 11:25:10 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: landsbaum

6 posted on 04/05/2012 11:27:42 AM PDT by AngelesCrestHighway
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To: landsbaum

“Why not have nationalized health care as they do in Britain?”

Why not have a family of inbred trolls that like to wear flamboyant outfits pretend run the place while we are at it?


7 posted on 04/05/2012 11:28:32 AM PDT by VanDeKoik (If case you are wondering, I'm supporting Newt.)
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To: landsbaum

At root, except for the TRULY poor, why should I be coerced, literally at the point of a gun, to pay for my neighbor’s health care?


8 posted on 04/05/2012 11:29:18 AM PDT by EyeGuy (2012: When the Levee Breaks)
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

I think there were days she might have accepted that outcome! LOL


9 posted on 04/05/2012 11:32:01 AM PDT by 3D-JOY
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To: AngelesCrestHighway

Yep, I have Trigeminal Neuralgia. It is extremely painful crainal nerve disorder. I was able to get an appt with a neurosurgeon within 6 days. I was reading a Trigeminal Neuralgia patient support forum and there was a women in the UK that said her appt with a neurosurgeon is 18 months away!


10 posted on 04/05/2012 11:32:20 AM PDT by PeachyKeen
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To: VanDeKoik

Darn, I think I remember we had a big fight to get away from the “trolls”!


11 posted on 04/05/2012 11:34:13 AM PDT by 3D-JOY
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To: landsbaum

12 posted on 04/05/2012 11:34:45 AM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: landsbaum
“An elderly woman was ordered to find a new GP because the ‘carbon footprint’ of her two-mile round trips to the surgery where she had been treated for 30 years was too large,” reports the Telegraph. ...

So what other sources have you stolen material from in your effort to get blog hits?

13 posted on 04/05/2012 11:35:22 AM PDT by humblegunner
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To: PeachyKeen

My grandfather had TMN. It was know colloquially as “the suicide disease”.


14 posted on 04/05/2012 11:36:13 AM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Puppage
“Why not have nationalized health care as they do in Britain?”

The taxes that we pay here in England to keep the NHS afloat is about 4 times more expensive then a premium health insurance policy, plus the standard of service provided by the NHS is substandard to say the least.
The government is funding our healthcare, so they take a great interest in our health, that's why we have some of the most ridiculous health and safety laws in the world.
Please go google “ridiculous health and safety regulations in Britain” Americans haven't a clue, you think OSHA is bad.. You've seen nothing yet!

15 posted on 04/05/2012 11:37:34 AM PDT by yank in the UK ( A liberal mocking Christianity. I asked "why don't you mock Islam?" he replied "Muslims are violent)
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To: tacticalogic

Yes, it is and I certainly know why.


16 posted on 04/05/2012 11:40:18 AM PDT by PeachyKeen
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To: landsbaum

What’s the difference between having a “Government issued Insurance Card” and “Healthcare”?

Actual medical treatment!!


17 posted on 04/05/2012 11:41:14 AM PDT by G Larry (We are NOT obliged to carry the snake in our pocket and then dismiss the bites as natural behavior.)
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To: landsbaum

The next time the author needs medical for any reason send him immediately to the UK to find out just how wonderful collectivist healthcare really is!


18 posted on 04/05/2012 11:41:17 AM PDT by Jack Hydrazine (It's the end of the world as we know it and I feel fine!)
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To: landsbaum

Why not nationalize IT? People have a right to good working computer networks and software, don’t they? Why not nationalize all farming, or dairy? People need to eat and children need milk, don’t they? Why not nationalize the film industry? People have a right to affordable entertainment, don’t they? Why not nationalize the legal profession? People have a right to have the same kind of legal representation OJ got, don’t they?


19 posted on 04/05/2012 11:45:01 AM PDT by pieceofthepuzzle
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To: landsbaum
Read these at your leisure
20 posted on 04/05/2012 11:49:03 AM PDT by hedgetrimmer
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To: Puppage

I wonder what the Australian medical plan is like? I recall an Australian visitor, 20 years or so ago now, telling me you must have mandatory health insurance there, but you have the option of a minimum care plan (cheapest), medium care plan, or the most expensive full care plan. Anybody know?


21 posted on 04/05/2012 12:32:11 PM PDT by kiltie65 (ui)
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To: landsbaum

Because you are an idiot. National health services in the UK kills people.


22 posted on 04/05/2012 12:33:41 PM PDT by Nifster
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To: pieceofthepuzzle

Nationalize groceries.
Everybody’s gotta eat !


23 posted on 04/05/2012 12:35:07 PM PDT by Eric in the Ozarks (Beware the Sweater Vest)
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To: All

And not many US folks realize the extent of private insurance in the UK.

http://www.bupa.co.uk/individuals/health-insurance/

Part of the pay package by many companies to speed up doctors visit waiting time and diagnostic procedures.


24 posted on 04/05/2012 12:35:50 PM PDT by az_gila
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To: landsbaum
Isn’t that British system wonderful? Not exactly.

Egalitarianism encourages people to do nothing and demand everything.It is tantamount to the abolition of causality in the earning of income,but also of cost in the spending of income.The egalitarianism of socialized medicine would result in the appearance of giving something free to the individual and chargeable to the group as a whole, and would make the consumption of the individual appear to be virtually costless-both to himself and to every other individual.

When this happens, there is increased demand by individuals, which leads to increase overall cost.More individuals seeking more care will also reduce the quantity and quality of supply of care available to each individual because doctor's time is limited.

To deal with these problems, the government will try to control medicine even more, making the practice of medicine unattractive as a profession, causing a decrease in the supply of doctors,leading to even more decrease in quantity and quality of supply of care.

Increased control over medical costs will also result in an assault on paying for advances in diagnosis and treatment.

25 posted on 04/05/2012 1:24:16 PM PDT by mjp ((pro-{God, reality, reason, egoism, individualism, natural rights, limited government, capitalism}))
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To: kiltie65
you must have mandatory health insurance there, but you have the option of a minimum care plan (cheapest), medium care plan, or the most expensive full care plan.

Awww, how bloody nice of 'em.

26 posted on 04/05/2012 1:30:16 PM PDT by Puppage (You may disagree with what I have to say, but I shall defend to your death my right to say it)
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To: AngelesCrestHighway
I read some minutes of a British gov’t meeting on their healthcare. One Parliament guy was complaining that to get a hearing TEST done in his outlying district was a 10 month wait. He thought that the same standard of care should be available for the whole country, and that it was too long of a wait. And that it should be what the wait time in London is - 3 weeks! For a lousy frikkin hearing TEST!
27 posted on 04/05/2012 3:04:41 PM PDT by 21twelve
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To: landsbaum

“Why not have nationalized health care as they do in Britain?”

Because there is nothing European that the US should desire to emulate.


28 posted on 04/05/2012 4:24:58 PM PDT by GenXteacher (He that hath no stomach for this fight, let him depart!)
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To: EyeGuy

“....why should I be coerced, literally at the point of a gun, to pay for my neighbor’s health care?”

That’s the thing, you already do that with our healthcare system.

What’s different about UK system is that you’ll pay, but your neighbor won’t be able to get health care, in many cases, and neither will you.

However, I do think we are headed for some sort of UK-like system - a poorly funded public system that is “free” and a private system for people who don’t mind paying twice.

We can’t keep the system we have now. We can’t afford it.


29 posted on 04/05/2012 4:51:33 PM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: EyeGuy

>At root, except for the TRULY poor, why should I be coerced, literally at the point of a gun, to pay for my neighbor’s health care?

Even with the truely poor why should you be *coerced* to pay for their healthcare?

The significance of the Parable of the Good Samaratian is precisely that there was no coersion involved; it was illustrating the answer of the question “who is my neigbor?,” would the man that cared for the wounded man be a neighbor if there was a gun to his head? I think not.


30 posted on 04/05/2012 5:50:15 PM PDT by OneWingedShark (Q: Why am I here? A: To do Justly, to love mercy, and to walk humbly with my God.)
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To: OneWingedShark

Yes, you are absolutely right, and I WAS thinking of The Gospels.

I saw that inconsistency, unfortunately AFTER I had posted (no edit function on FR).

One too many clauses/thoughts in the same sentence.


31 posted on 04/05/2012 5:58:52 PM PDT by EyeGuy (2012: When the Levee Breaks)
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To: RFEngineer

“We can’t keep the system we have now. We can’t afford it.”

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Probably not. However, the problems with our current system have more to do with not enough market rigor and personal responsibility brought to bear, than the need to go more collectivist.


32 posted on 04/05/2012 6:04:42 PM PDT by EyeGuy (2012: When the Levee Breaks)
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To: EyeGuy

“Probably not. However, the problems with our current system have more to do with not enough market rigor and personal responsibility brought to bear, than the need to go more collectivist.”

Our system has many collectivist elements already. Medicare/Medicaid covering at least half (and growing) of the market - leaving the other half to make up the losses incurred. That is not going to work much longer.

Market Rigor would have to include patients paying their own way if it were to work in the classical sense.

Personal responsibility would have to include telling people “no” when they want lifestyle-related care that they expect someone else to pay for.


33 posted on 04/05/2012 6:37:45 PM PDT by RFEngineer
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To: mjp

That’s very well said.

Also: Take away the profit motive, and you take away most new advancement in medical and pharmaceutical science. Say goodbye to innovation. Whenever socialized medicine happens here... That’s the state of medical technology we’ll be stuck with for many decades.


34 posted on 04/05/2012 6:57:24 PM PDT by Ramius (Personally, I give us one chance in three. More tea anyone?)
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