Skip to comments.DOOMSDAY PREPPING – PLAN FIRST, BUY LATER
Posted on 04/05/2012 4:52:18 PM PDT by Kartographer
I keep hearing statements about how expensive it is to prep. Although it is not cheap it doesnt have to be that expensive either. You do not need to stock 20 years worth of food to be properly prepared. As a matter of fact I would advise against it. Stockpiling a large food and water supply means you have to stay put and defend it. That may not be your best option in a lot of scenarios which means you would lose that investment. Do you think you really have enough ammo to defend a 20 year food supply for 20 years? The cost of that alone would be staggering.
One big mistake in prepping that most people make including me is waste when you first start out. Either buying the wrong things (toys and gimmicks) or finding out later as you become more experienced that a lot of the things you bought in the beginning you really do not need.
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But now you got women who want a nice hot bath! THAT’s when the SHTF!
We told my grandson that about a steer we had at the house to finish...he named him anyway- Yummy Yummy.
Polenta with sun dried tomato sauce makes a lot more money than grits with dried tomato sauce. But you use the same ingredients.
I don’t know, there are some family members I’d eat before the pets.
Nyet, nyet, nyet! I am a single celibate. I've lost all the ex-wives. No one in this house wants a hot bath besides me.
And you can bathe in warm lake water. You don't need potable water for bathing.
You just need potable water for eating, brushing teef (if you can find them), etc...
And I'm not kidding.
What would Brian Boitano do?
And tobacco seeds, parts for a still....
Actually, one of my plans is to put together enough stuff to get buy for a month if i was cut off from power, gas, and running water for a month.
I saw your reference to a still, and I want to put in a plug for Steve Harris’ tabletop still.
Plug it in, leave it run unattended for hours, no tending the temperature, etc.
Tomatoes will react to metal. I cooked some sauce in a metal pan and it ate through and left it shiny under the sauce level to the shiny metal. So fast. Weirdest thing I ever saw. Threw the pan out immediately. I learned years ago that tomato juice tastes tastes like the can if it’s canned so buy it bottled in plastic now.
I haven’t had any problems with canned tomoates but I’ve recently started buying tomato sauce in the new paper cartons like some chicken broth comes in. Of course, the boxes aren’t as sturdy or probably not as long a shelf life due to leaks but the paper is coated with a wax.
As Sarajevo said, canning your own in glass jars would eliminate the reaction problem. However, I’ve seen older jars of anything containing an acid will begin to pit and discolor the lids. Fruit juices and jellies will do this. Remember, tomatoes are fruit.
True, but when the SHTF event occurs, anyone with pets should consider themselves a "Rancher".
Let me introduce you to a simple method of body disposal;
STEP 1 of 2) BUY WOODCHIPPER, FUEL, Stabilizer;
Step 2 of 2) BACK IT UP TO A CATFISH POND!
END RESULT: GREAT TASTING CATFISH!
ok thats just wrong and messy
Having seen battlefield wounded Abu Sayef in the Phillipines during Operation Freedom Eagle and Al-Shabaab/ICU on "the Horn", I can tell you this: I will NEVER, EVER approach a wounded human that was attacking me
You either dispatch them with a bayonet or better yet, a hatchet/axe to the head if they are unconcious, or at range with a firearm if semi-concious.
There is no more dangerous organism on earth than a wounded human. Superhuman strength, knowledge of impending death, and just plain primal meaness wanting to finish their mission on taking you out. Never give them a chance. NEVER.
The only caveat is if you absolutely need intel from them; if so, you better brush up on your EPW search/security techniques....and be in top physical shape to restrain someone that comes out of an adrenaline-filled last bolt of life!
In the military we called it PPPPPP - Prior Planning Prevents Piddly Poor Performance. A plan allows you to focus on the critical issues first and not get lost on the bunny trails of less essential issues.
Seems like a bow or crossbow might be useful for this.
Or a shark repelling bang stick!
Anyone see the “Hamish Macbeth” (Brit TV series) episode “The Great Lochdubh Salt Robbery”? (season 1 ep 1)
Illegal lobster farming and a disappearing local bully.
Great series, but the darn Scots are so hard to understand.
“Remember, tomatoes are fruit”.
Knowledge is knowing that a tomato is a fruit; wisdom is knowing not to put it in a fruit salad.
Looks like you have to pay to download anything.
Not that I’m against that .....But.....
One thing I’ve noticed in that show The Walking Dead, is that the guy who carries a cross bow is almost always on his last bolt.
I’ll see your Jack Burton and raise ya a Snake Plisken.
Wow 23 years thank you Sir for your service!
BTW- is that tagline French?
Latin it is the US Army Sniper motto.
I do not assume most or even more than a few will go to the dark side, but those that do are significantly more deadly than the average joe with a handgun or scoped rifle. In a shithitsthefan world former military are going to be the best assest a group has as defenders and protectors, which are a valuable skill set to posses. The oldest profession is Soldiering and we all know the second oldest ;)
You are 100% right never ever approach a conscious wounded human who was just moments before intent on killing you. That is exactly why I said bayonet them you still have a hot round ready at point blank range to the head should they attempt to fight if they move pull the trigger. As for the axe we carried all steel tomahawks 18 inches long with an edged side and a 6 inch spire side. It is truly surprising how many different things can be done with a tomahawk. They also would be perfect for dispatching semi-conscious point side to the small of the back of the head. IF you need intel then have some MP trained guys around they have all be through EPW training..a blowtorch and some pliers will get you all the intel any one needs. We were not implicitly authorized to have Ruger Mark 4s but they sure do make a good sentry dispatch weapon when suppressed at point blank range.
There is some threat from people taking your crops from you but the biggest threat is from the non-bipeds. If everything goes kaboom you are not going to have the cumulative benefit of insect and pest control that you do now.
There are somethings that you can store for a long time and are necessary. Salt is one of those things. It is cheap, it lasts and you will need a lot of it. Also be sure to store some iodized salt. Iodine is not a mineral found in many places except sea food and plants and it is one we need very badly. It can mean the difference between the next generation being normal and being sub normal.
I have to agree. The immediate need is to survive through the immediate threats to a point in time where things begin to settle out. Growing your food is a long term effort of surviving, adn you better have lotsa land and protection for the crops. But if you stock freeze dried food or the like for 1-2 years, you will then have time for this “hobby”. And who the hell cares about canned tomato sauce. Come on!
The cruelest things I have heard of is from certain turd world countries intelligence services:
No comment on where the info came from, but most of it is OSINT.
Your captive is seated in a chair, restrained in a small room completely with ankle, knee, waist, chest, shoulder, neck, elbow, arm, and wrist leather straps. It is cold and dark of course with only a small light, the chair and restraints, the board, and a clock. A small fire keeps an iron poker red hot.
In front of him is a wall 8 feet high with a sign covering the whole wall. The only light is a small LED that illuminates a list with about 50 lines on it. It starts like this:
1) Left pinky finger.
2) Right pinky finger
3) Left small toe.
4) Right small toe
5) Left middle finger.
6) Right middle finger.
7) Left ear.
...and so on.....50 or so lines down including cutting off the penis, tongue, intestines, eyes, etc.
....and so on. Anyways, Mr/Mrs. 3rd world interrogator comes in there without saying a word, and cuts off 1). Then uses a hot iron poker to cauterized the fresh wound. Mr. 3rd world interrogator turns around, marks off what he just did, and walks out....without saying a word.
An hour hour goes by, and someone else comes in, looks at the board, and goes to the next line that isn't crossed out, and without saying a word, cuts off next item, cautorizes the wound, crosses off the board, and walks out.
An hour later, he comes in, without saying a word, and cuts off 3) ...and so on. You get the jist of it.
Unnamed person/country told me that they have rarely had to come in more than 3-4 times before the subject is spilling his guts without any questions. Rarely, 1 in a 100, they say, they barely get into the double digits, mind you hours into the ordeal with the time in between used to mentally torment the subject as to what is coming next.
I asked, "What happens if you find out they lied to you?", and the reply was, "We go down the list 10 numbers in one session".
Anyways, I don't plan on visiting the unnamed country.
Second is in South America: they use "insect torture" that includes various scorpions, bees, ants, etc. that they use to get confessions. I was told that there is some sort of wasp in the jungle that's sting is so painful that one sting and most subjects are screaming their life out.....and the prospect of a 2nd sting will usually get you any intel you need. ....again....not visiting certain South American countries anytime soon.
If I need to get intel, I'll rely on strapping the offenders down on a fire ant mound while I "feed my catfish".
If their crimes are grievious enough, I'll resort to Scaphism.
Good luck out there. Keep your powder dry.
That's all fine and dandy, but if the choice is between hunger and survival; I'm gonna break out the salt and pepper.
Latin it is the US Army Sniper motto.
I know, FRiend! I was pulling your leg;)
I did a free registration and downloaded a .pdf as a test.
“Tactical skills are great and required, but even army guys can learn those.
Bite me, zipperhead.
I perusing this thread, one thought occurred to me - given the way wolves/bears have been reintroduced, a coup-de-grace might be more merciful than leaving the zombies wounded, bleeding, and screaming in pain, as dark approaches...
I agree with you. Long as you leave one alive to scream in all the local scavengers to the buffet.
And got honors from the Joint Navy/AF cook school when I went to that.
I've cooked all over the world, for a SecAF, and for 1500 of my closest and smelliest friends on deployment. And make a pretty good navarin for the fine dining side.
I'm more of a breakfast, sauce, soup and bread bitch than anything else, but I can cover grill or dishwashing if required.
As I said tho, living on the Gulf all my life, we prepare for Hurricane Season every year. That includes both people, and animals.
Preparing for what is coming for the Country is the same thing. If you haven’t prepared right, that’s your fault, not mine.
Just remember one thing. You will answer to God for eating those pets who looked to you for protection, and who protected you.
I’ve thrown out tomato paste as well...once opened, there was a lot of pressure....tomatoes may be the one can good item you need to watch the dates on....the ones I threw out were post exp date...
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