Stay safe, Sheriff Joe. And get 'em!
"The discourse has already been cleverly manipulated, you see, to shift the burden of proof from Obama to his detractors. Reasonably, it should never have been incumbent upon Americans to prove that Obama is not a natural born citizen, but rather it should have always been incumbent upon Obama to prove to the American people, verifiably and indisputably, that he was born in the United States."
Exactly right. It is and always should have been incumbent upon "Obama" to prove his qualifications, not upon Americans to prove that he lacks such.
posted on 04/06/2012 1:50:38 AM PDT
(If not you, who? If not now, when?)
this is starting to unravel......GOOD
posted on 04/06/2012 2:57:21 AM PDT
by The Wizard
(Madam President is my President now and in the future)
posted on 04/06/2012 4:04:42 AM PDT
(Obama, rope and chains)
there are FOUR components required to prove eligibility to assume the office of the President.
1. 35 years of age or older
2. 14 years in the country
3. born on US soil
4. born of TWO US citizens
the birth certificate yields TWO of these.
date of birth... and location.
assuming we can show 0bama was in the country for 14 years...
that only leaves #4 ... citizenship of BOTH parents.
as everyone knows, 0bama’s father was NEVER a US citizen ... therefore, 0bama cannot be a NATURAL BORN citizen. at best, he is a US citizen and british by descent.
there is no other way to see this. anyone that says otherwise is just ignorant
posted on 04/06/2012 4:30:02 AM PDT
(fighting tyranny never goes out of style)
posted on 04/06/2012 4:51:10 AM PDT
To: Flotsam_Jetsome; Diogenesis
This is a photoshop, I think.
But it's just as real as anything Barry has produced to prove he's an American citizen, or not.
posted on 04/06/2012 5:43:26 AM PDT
by Travis McGee
This author is so tepid. Still vaguely worried about being called a birther but finally acquiesces to being called one at the end of the article.
We are WAY past that point. Crimes have been committed and it is ALMOST impossible that Obama is not involved
Some people are still dancing around some stupid label that they are afraid of.
I’m also a bit tired of the “wet blanket” or “Eeyore” posters. Eeyore is generally characterized as a pessimistic, gloomy, and depressed.
This is supposed to be an activist site and Eeyorss don’t win wars.
Sheriff Joe is the law and has taken the lead. Support him.
(Flotsam_Jetsome this post is not directed at you)
From my Senator:
January 15, 2009
Thank you for contacting me about President-Elect Barack Obama's citizenship. I appreciate knowing of your concerns.
The Fourteenth Amendment of the U.S. Constitution states that "all persons born or naturalized in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction thereof, are citizens of the United States and of the state wherein they reside." Hawaii became a territory of the United States in 1898 and was officially admitted as a State in 1959.
It is my understanding that President-Elect Obama has released an official copy of his birth certificate. Since he was born in 1961 in Hawaii, he is eligible under the Constitution to run for and hold the office of President of the United States. In addition, President-Elect Obama's birth records have been certified and validated by the Hawaii Department of Health as well as by experts from the University of Pennsylvania. The U.S. Supreme Court declined to hear the case and agreed with the lower courts' rulings that the plaintiffs lacked standing to bring the legal challenges questioning President-Elect Obama's citizenship
Again, thank you for contacting me. Should you have any additional questions or comments, please do not hesitate to let me know.
United States Senator
posted on 04/06/2012 7:19:19 AM PDT
(America has been infected. Be the cure!)
What ever else is eventually found... posting the obvious forgery was a fraud, and a crime. Obama should be removed from office and prosecuted to the full extent of the law.
posted on 04/06/2012 5:14:40 PM PDT
(Check your facts before making ignorant statements.)
Weird I did a search for the exact title and it did not come up.
posted on 04/06/2012 9:20:14 PM PDT
(Peace is that brief glorious moment in history when everybody stands around reloading.~Thomas Jeffer)
posted on 04/06/2012 9:49:50 PM PDT
" I've always been one of those who likes to preface sentences withBut in light of this new evidence, I certainly feel that there is a warrant for investigation
to satisfy the birthers' concern, with Obama innocent until proven guilty, of course.And if that makes me a birther, then so be it. "
Well ... I couldn't have said it better myself.
Obama's record is hard to find.
Think about this
"On August 4, 1961 Obama's mother, father and grandmother were attending a Muslim festival in Mombasa , Kenya .
Mother had been refused entry to airplanes due to her nine month pregnancy. It was a hot August day at the festival so the Obama?s went to the beach to cool off. While swimming in the ocean his mother experienced labor pains so was rushed to the Coast Provincial
General Hospital, Mombasa, Kenya where Obama was born a few hours later at 7:21 pm on August 4, 1961(what a sad day for the USA!). Four days later his mother flew to Hawaii and registered his birth in Honolulu as a certificate of live birth which omitted the place and hospital of birth."
Here's something to ponder
I think it more likely that the trip from Kenya actually occurred in August 1961, shortly after BHO-II's birth at the Coast Province General Hospital in Mombasa.
Ann and her newborn son flew from Nairobi to London, via BOAC Flight BA162 and then took the non-stop BOAC flight from London to Vancouver, Canada. She then traveled the 110 miles or so, across the border, to Seattle in time to start Fall Semester, night-school extension classes at the University of Washington.
The trip would be challenging for a new mother, but she was young, healthy, intelligent, and capable. BOAC was very accomodating to mothers with young children back in the 1960s. No real problem!
From the Airline Timetable Images - List of Complete Timetables, the cost of BOAC from April 24,1960 until October 1, 1962 was:
From Vancouver to Nairobi cost in Canadian Dollars:
DL 1115.00 2026.80
F 1055.50 1918.80
T 764.00 1396.00
Y 701.00 1282.60
Passanger Fares could be "FLY NOW AND PAY LATER".
Arrangements could be made whereby residents of certain areas may, on payment of a 10% deposit, travel immediately and pay the balance of fare in monthly instalments.
If you're wondering about where the money came from, think about this.
Look at all the financial supporters Barack Hussein Obama, Sr. had.
"In 1959, Obama Sr. received a scholarship in economics through a program organized by nationalist leader Tom Mboya.
The program offered Western educational opportunities to outstanding Kenyan students.
Initial financial supporters of the program included Harry Belafonte, Sidney Poitier, Jackie Robinson, and Elizabeth Mooney Kirk,
a literacy advocate who provided most of the financial support for Obama Sr.'s early years in the United States, according to the Tom Mboya archives at Stanford University.
Funds provided the following year by John F. Kennedy's family paid off old debts of the project and subsidized student stipends,
thereby indirectly benefiting Obama Sr. and other members of the 1959 group of scholarship holders.
Yes, it's quite clear that money wasn't a problem for the Marxists Revolutionaries.
Passanger Information for that time frame can be found here.
Connections from Nairobi - Lusaka - Salisbury can be found here.
The BOAC World Routes Map is found here.
Departure arrival times from Britian to Nairobi are found here.
Departure arrival times for London and Vancouver are found here.
Now think about those facts,and statements.
The forgeries I'm aware of, are the three Birth Cretificate Barack Hussein Obama II has forged.
I don't trust evidence put forth by Obama supporters.
The disappearance of too much evidence on Obama is strong enough for me to know that he was born in Kenya.
8 Congressional attempts from June 2004 to February 2008 to alter Article II Section 1 Clause 5 of the US Constitution, proves
to me that the DNC knew that Obama was born in Kenya.
Read it for yourself.
Then look at these links.
1. June 11, 2003, Rep. Snyder, Vic (D) 108th congress, H.J.Res. 59
2. Sep 3, 2003, Rep. Conyers, John Jr., (D) H.J.Res. 67
3. Feb 25, 2005, Sen. Nickles, Don (R-OK) Senate Bill 2128, counter the democrats Natural Born Citizen Act - but Defines it wrong
4. Sep 15, 2004, Rep Dana Rohrabacher (D)(R-CA46) H.J.Res 104
5. Jan 4, 2005, Rep Conyers, John Jr., H.J.Res. 2 109th Congress
6. Feb 1, 2005, Rep Rohrabacher, Dana (D) (CA-46) H.J.Res.15
7. April 14, 2005, Rep. Snyder, Vic (D) (AR-2) H.J.Res. 42
8. Feb 28, 2008, Senator McCaskill, Claire (D) Attachment to a military bill Senate Bill 2678 Titled Children of Military Families Natural Born Citizen Act.
DNC Presidential Candidate Senator Clinton and Senator Obama were cosponsors of this bill.
9. April 10, 2008, Sen McCaskill, Claire (D) (MO) Senate Res.511 passed declaring Senator John McCain a Natural Born Citizen.
But it was never in question. It was cosponsored by DNC Presidential Candidate Senator Clinton and Senator Obama.
Just before the 2008 election Barack Obama's election team spent $1.4 million blocking access to all of Obama's records
Barack Hussein Obama II is UNCONSTITUTIONALLY QUALIFIED.
There were 8 attempts by Democrats
to try to "Change the Qualification Rules" BEFORE Obama was elected.
They KNOW Obama's ILLEGAL ... AND .... UNQUALIFIED! Read INS DOC FOUND: U.S. CERTIFICATE ISSUED TO ONE EAST AFRICAN-BORN CHILD OF U.S. CITIZEN IN 1961!
IMPLICATIVE DISCOVERY: A government document found buried in the online reference section of a Boston Public Library archive bolsters a growing mountain of evidentiary data against Barack Obamas constitutional eligibility to be president. The document indicates that a consular officer issued a single certificate of statutory citizenship, within the time frame including August 4, 1961, to a child born to a U.S. citizen between July 1st and December 31st, 1961 in the Kenyan region of Africa. The record also reveals that the certificate was the only one issued for this specific type of arrival in the U.S. over a span of more than 18 months, among thousands from other parts of the world.
In summary as stated by WhiskeyX
NEW YORK, NY A recently discovered rare immigration record found by researchers working on behalf of an ongoing investigation into the Constitutional eligibility of Barack Obama to hold the office of the U.S. presidency reveals that an American consular officer issued a single Certificate of Citizenship to only one passenger arriving in the U.S. from the Kenyan region of Africa between July and December of 1961.
The record shows demographic and status classifications for a passenger who was explicitly recorded at the INS Arrival Inspection Station as an individual being born to a U.S. citizen parent arriving from the Kenyan region of Africa between July 1st and December 31st, 1961.
This information and the dates of its documentation are disturbing given the rare nature of the issuance of certificates of citizenship for children who acquire their citizenship by birth to incoming U.S. citizens in this particular region of Africa.
These dates not only align with the alleged date of Obamas birth on August 4, 1961, but also with evidence indicating that Ann Dunham departed from Hawaii beginning in February, 1961, shortly after her undocumented marriage to Obama Sr.
Also supported by this data is the implication of an African trip by the absence of Dunhams passport information which is known to have existed from the 1960s which was used in at least one occasion for her departure with Obama Jr. to Indonesia where the two lived with Lolo Soetoro, Dunhams second husband. If Dunham had filed for a renewal of an old passport, rather than for a new passport in the mid 1960s for the Indonesian trip, which would have been the common practice for the life of a passport, this would have been indicated on the missing application which would have been included with the series of documents released by an FOIA request in early 2010.
The Immigration and Naturalization Service published its annual Report of the Immigration and Naturalization Service in 1963, for the year of July 1st, 1961 ending on June 30th, 1962. According to information on page 99 of the report the only certificate of acquired citizenry issued based on the grounds of birth to a U.S. citizen abroad was coincidentally also issued in the same time frame during which Barack Obamas alleged birth date occurred on August 4th, 1961.
According to the INS, Certificates of Citizenship are issued upon arrival in the U.S. to those who have acquired statutory citizenship (not natural-born citizenship) by birth to at least one U.S. citizen parent within the previous year while that parent(s) was temporarily in another country. COC are notifications provided by the American Consulate Service, via the INS, to individuals born to at least one U.S. citizen abroad in order to provide interim citizen alien status while immigration status is processed and secured. COC are not issued to natural-born citizens or children born to non-U.S. citizen parents arriving in the U.S., nor are COC received through the same process as required for naturalized citizenship, according to the INS.
A COAC is issued to an arriving child from abroad who is:
- born abroad to one U.S. citizen parent and one parent with alien non-citizen status, or
- born in the U.S. to two alien parents who both naturalize after the childs birth, or
- born abroad to a U.S. citizen who did not live in (or come to) the United States for a period of time prior to the childs birth, or
- adopted and is permanently residing in the United States and can become a U.S. citizen by action of law on the date on which all of the following requirements have been met:
- The child was lawfully admitted for permanent residence; and
- Either parent was a United States citizen by birth or naturalization; and
- The child was still under 18 years of age; and
- The child was not married; and
- The child was the parents legitimate child or was legitimated by the parent before the childs 16th birthday
(Stepchildren or children born out of wedlock who were not legitimated before their 16th birthday do not derive United States citizenship through their parents.); and
- If adopted, the child met the requirements of section 101(b)(1)(E) or (F) and has had a full and final adoption; and
- The child was residing in the United States in the legal custody of the U.S. citizen parent (this includes joint custody)
As previously reported by Dr. Jerome Corsi of WND and other sources, the void of documented and testimonial evidence accounting for Ann Dunhams presence in Hawaii between February and early August of 1961 implies that she had reasons to travel to Kenya shortly after her undocumented marriage to Obamas alleged father in February of 1961. According to the widely accepted but highly suspicious uncorroborated account of events, Dunham would have been at least three months pregnant at the time of the marriage. The only evidence accounting for Dunhams presence after August 1961 is a transcript of registration to attend fall extension classes at the University of Washington, in Seattle, beginning in late August, 1961.
The previous years INS report shows that no other Certificates of Derived Citizenry by birth were issued to anyone arriving from the Kenyan region of Africa between July 1st, 1960 and June 30th, 1961. During this time, the INS recorded 282 alien arrivals from Kenya by air, and three U.S. citizens.
The arrival of these Kenyan aliens is corroborated by the African American Students Foundation Report of Activities 1959-1961 which documents the arrival of the same number of students in the U.S. on September 7, 1960 from Nairobi, Kenya via the second sortie of the Airlift America Project, a project initiated in April 1959 by the AASF and former Kenyan Prime Minister, Tom Mboya, to bring African students from Nairobi to study in the U.S.
Of the 2397 arrivals from Africa who were originally classified by the INS as Aliens between July 1, 1961 and June 30, 1962, only one was from Kenya. INS procedures dictate that arrivals under the age of 18 not possessing a U.S. passport are issued alien status until the alleged parents of the child are officially issued a Certificate of Citizenry. The Certificate of Citizenry can then be used in conjunction with state birth registration procedures to acquire a birth certificate for the child.
A COC is also considered a primary form of identification by the State of Hawaii in 1961 to prove a foreign born infants residency in the U.S. prompting the issuance of a standard Certificate of Live Birth under Hawaii Revised Statute 338-17 which would then allocate the location of the birth to the mothers residence.
Corroborating data from passenger arrivals of flights entering the U.S. between July 1st, 1961 and June 30th, 1962 indicates this one individual may have been originally classified as an alien upon arrival prior to application for derivative citizenship. The INS report shows there was only one individual who was originally classified by the INS as an alien arriving by air from Kenya. This individual was possibly inspected by INS officers in Hawaii upon arrival at the INS station located within Honolulu International Airport sometime in early August of 1961.
Unfortunately, the report does not give data supporting that this individual was accompanied by a U.S. citizen parent. This may be explained by the disparity of time between being classified as an alien in the interim until a COAC was granted and the collection of data for this reports date of publication.
According to the INS report data, a voluntary birth to a U.S. resident in Africa in 1961, away from the quality of care offered at U.S. hospitals was extremely rare with only eight such cases in more than two years. The rarity of this event would leave an easily referenced recording of the birth abroad. Hawaiian law also specifies that documentation used to issue birth certificates by the Hawaiian Health Department includes certificates of citizenship issued by the Immigration and Naturalization Service upon arrival of children born to U.S. citizens abroad.
The revelation is the effort to hide and destroy any and all documents which could evidence the citizenship of Barack Hussein Obama has not been entirely successful in regards to suppressing links to an apparent birthplace in Kenya. Jerome Corsi and his team of investigators were arrested and confined to their hotel by Obamas cousin and the Kenyan government when they attempted to research the existence of a Kenyan birth certificate and give a press conference about their findings. They and othe rinvestigators reported finding evidence of a Kenyan birth certificate having likely been removed from the Kenyan birth records.
Likewise with the U.S. Passport records of Stanly Ann Dunham which are reported to have been destroyed, the trail of evidence has been stonewalled. The Immigration and Naturalization Service forms used by U.S. Customs for arriving passengers on microfilm at the National Archives is missing the one week of records for August 1961 in which it is suspected Stanly Ann Dunham returned to the United States with the newborn child. This is the only week of 1961 in which such records are missing, according to the Maricopa County Sheriff's Department and its Cold case Posse.
The INS record discovered in the out of the way library implies the effort of the Obama Administration and associates to scrub any evidence from government and other records has failed to be complete and effective in all respects.
Although the INS record does not name Stanley Ann Dunham and Barack Hussein Obama, the probability that there could have been another U.S. citizen mother giving birth to her child in that region including Kenya in the month of August 1961 and seeking the assistance of a U.S. Consular officer to obtain a certificate of citizenship are vanishingly small. Such an event in 1961 is virtually unique. Therefore it appears this piece of evidence can be fairly regarded as a preponderance of evidence providing reasonable cause for a legal investigation of a foreign birthplace for Barack Hussein Obama. Rather than preclude the likelihood of Obamas birth in Kenya, this piece of evidence strongly suggests the possibility or even a probability of Obamas birth in Kenya despite all of the previous doubts of its even remote possibility. In other words, this evidence is a potential game changer in the investigation of Obamas native origin/s and citizenship.
posted on 04/06/2012 10:08:22 PM PDT
(It's simple, fight or die!)
Among other things, I am a birther.
To: Flotsam_Jetsome; Jet Jaguar; Lady Jag; Slings and Arrows; null and void; maggief; Dog; BP2; ...
in case you missed it ping
posted on 04/08/2012 8:09:38 PM PDT
(There are only two races of men: the decent and the indecent. Viktor Frankl, survivor, Nazi co)
posted on 04/09/2012 8:06:47 AM PDT
(God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
To: Flotsam_Jetsome; All
Here is the website to help Sheriff Joe get re-elected.
Eric Holder and the rest of the usual suspects are trying to get Joe out of office.
posted on 04/09/2012 2:55:12 PM PDT
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