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McGrath: “The Control Grid is Being Put Into Place to Handle What They Know Is Coming.”
SHTF Plan ^ | 4/6/12 | Mac Slavo

Posted on 04/06/2012 5:39:37 PM PDT by Kartographer

Excerpted from Charlie McGrath (video follows excerpt):

You’re going to see what’s happening in the rest of the world come to this country. It Is Inevitable. It Is Going To Happen.

Do you think for one second Department of Homeland Security is ordering 450 [million] man shredder rounds so that they can sit back and plink at gofers on the weekend? Absolutely not.

Do you think this one internet bill after another, this trying to clamp down on the sharing and free ideas on the internet because it’s not good for people? No. The control grid is being put into place to handle what they know is coming. They already know this is coming. A kinder gentler government is on its way out the door. Par tyranny is what’s on the menu.

(Excerpt) Read more at shtfplan.com ...


TOPICS: Conspiracy; Government; Society; Weird Stuff
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Tin foil hat stuff? I am not so sure...What does DHS need with 450 million rounds of ammo?
1 posted on 04/06/2012 5:39:40 PM PDT by Kartographer
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To: Kartographer
Live free or die.

And if you have to die, take a few of the bustards with you.

2 posted on 04/06/2012 5:45:03 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Over half of U.S. murders are of black people, and 90% of them are committed by other black people.)
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To: Kartographer
What does DHS need with 450 million rounds of ammo?maybe they're just trying to corner the market.
3 posted on 04/06/2012 5:45:22 PM PDT by the invisib1e hand (I think in about 5 - no, 4 - years I'll have had enough.)
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To: Kartographer; mnehring; COUNTrecount; Nowhere Man; FightThePower!; C. Edmund Wright; jacob allen; ..
This Explains EVERYTHING

Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping!

To get onto The Nut-job Conspiracy Theory Ping List you need to threaten to report me to the Admin if I don’t add you to the list...

4 posted on 04/06/2012 5:56:20 PM PDT by null and void (Day 1172 of America's ObamaVacation from reality [Heroes aren't made, Frank, they're cornered...])
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To: Kartographer
"What does DHS need with 450 million rounds of ammo?"

Maybe they're poor shots. /s

5 posted on 04/06/2012 5:57:13 PM PDT by SnuffaBolshevik (In a tornado, even turkeys can fly.)
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To: null and void; Kartographer

This just means I don’t have to get more ammo.

Ten minutes in and I’ll just use theirs.


6 posted on 04/06/2012 6:01:03 PM PDT by bigheadfred (MY PET TAPEWORM (OBIWAN) IS AN INSANE MILITARY HATING LEFTIST)
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To: Kartographer

I hope they put it all in one place.


7 posted on 04/06/2012 6:03:18 PM PDT by bmwcyle (I am ready to serve Jesus on Earth because the GOP failed again)
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To: SnuffaBolshevik

My answer.

But mine wouldn’t have the “Maybe” or the “/s”.


8 posted on 04/06/2012 6:03:51 PM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: bigheadfred
Ten minutes in and I’ll just use theirs.

Depending on where it happens, it could take ten minutes to walk to where it's at after the shooting stops.

9 posted on 04/06/2012 6:09:08 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: Kartographer
That works out to about 1500 rounds per agent in one investigative report posted here on FR... and another stated it was 2500 rounds (one had a different number of “qualifying” agents). These agents have to qualify with a weapon and unlike the present Military (who BTW are in the process of phasing out the 9mm Beretta) they use .40 semi autos with hollow point projectiles. You practice with what you carry.

I myself have burned through over 2000 rounds of .45 ACP and 2500 rounds of 5.56 in an afternoon's shooting. These are not fragmentation rounds... which would shred tissue badly... but these are jacked hollow points and they are designed to exert all of their energy into the body... by utilizing their quick expansion properties... but it can be affected at range by heavy clothing and light armor.

One last point... the actual order for these bullets has a statement in it that says that they can purchase up to 450 million rounds at contract price... not that they will. This is a multi-year, ongoing supply contract.

LLS

10 posted on 04/06/2012 6:17:44 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!)
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To: Kartographer

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2868859/posts

Agricultuure Dept buying another 200M rounds
To suppress those seditious raw milk and home garden cults


11 posted on 04/06/2012 6:18:02 PM PDT by silverleaf (Funny how all the people who are for abortion are already born)
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To: tacticalogic

Yeah. I suppose there could be some long lines there in (our) concentration camp. Could take a few minutes between sessions to make sure the next (our) group will fit in the trench.


12 posted on 04/06/2012 6:18:40 PM PDT by bigheadfred (MY PET TAPEWORM (OBIWAN) IS AN INSANE MILITARY HATING LEFTIST)
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To: null and void

Connections?

http://news.thomasnet.com/companystory/Shelters-Direct-Builds-Bullet-Resistant-Booths-for-Homeland-Security-612684

Shelters Direct Builds Bullet Resistant Booths for Homeland Security

Press release date: April 4, 2012

Owner: Department of Homeland Security

Project Description:

Shelters Direct provided the Department of Homeland Security with this 4x13 Steel UL 752 Level 3 Bullet Resistant Booth.

This guard building features a standing seam hip roof, a thru-wall HVAC unit, (2) UL 752 BR Level 3 sliding doors, UL 752 Bullet Resistant Level 3 glass and a Low]E coating.

Other noticeable highlights of this prefabricated steel building include metal halide security lighting, decorative window grille frames, and a “Stop & Go” light with controls.

And:

(I realize the source is - well, you know - perhaps validation can be found elsewhere?):

http://www.infowars.com/bill-allows-irs-to-deny-americans-right-to-travel/

Bill Allows IRS to Deny Americans Right to Travel

Senator Barbara Boxer’s MAP-21 (Moving Ahead for Progress in the 21st Century Act) is headed to the House after clearing the Senate last month. Boxer’s bill allows the federal government to revoke the passports of citizens the IRS claims owe taxes.

“There is no requirement that the tax payer be guilty of or even charged with tax evasion, fraud, or any criminal offense — only that the citizen is alleged to owe the IRS back taxes of $50,000 or more,” reports The Daily Economist.

In other words, the Fourth Amendment will become irrelevant in many taxes cases if this legislation makes it through the House. MAP-21 does, however, face opposition by some Republicans.


13 posted on 04/06/2012 6:21:19 PM PDT by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell. Signed, a fanatic)
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To: Kartographer

When they come to the swamp for me a few of them won’t come back out.


14 posted on 04/06/2012 6:30:10 PM PDT by SWAMPSNIPER (The Second Amendment, a Matter of Fact, Not a Matter of Opinion)
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To: SnuffaBolshevik

why doesn’t some one pose the question to obama, about what all the rounds are for? you’d think we were talking about the fraudulent birth certificate, or the preponderance of black on black crime as compared to white on black crime, or sumthin’ wt*?


15 posted on 04/06/2012 6:37:42 PM PDT by stickywillie (a corrupt parallel universe exists beside our wonderful Constitution)
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To: bigheadfred
Yeah. I suppose there could be some long lines there in (our) concentration camp. Could take a few minutes between sessions to make sure the next (our) group will fit in the trench.

They've got half a billion rounds of .40. I think we can come up with a half million rounds of .30 that says they'll never get close enough to use it.

16 posted on 04/06/2012 6:49:21 PM PDT by tacticalogic ("Oh, bother!" said Pooh, as he chambered his last round.)
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To: tacticalogic

What Good Can a Handgun Do Against An Army?
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-backroom/2312894/posts


17 posted on 04/06/2012 6:58:23 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet (Ich habe keinen Konig aber Gott)
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To: little jeremiah
MAP-21 does, however, face opposition by some Republicans.

*some* Republicans? Disgusting.

18 posted on 04/06/2012 7:12:40 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s....you weren't really there)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

I’d like to know more about this.


19 posted on 04/06/2012 7:27:34 PM PDT by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell. Signed, a fanatic)
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To: ChildOfThe60s; null and void

I thought I’d seen it on FR:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-chat/2868409/posts

Owe The IRS? Bill Would Suspend Passport Rights For Delinquent Taxpayers
CBS 2 LA CA ^ | 4/4/12 | unattributed

Posted on Thursday, April 05, 2012 5:13:59 AM by Cringing Negativism Network

After clearing the Senate on a 74 – 22 vote on March 14, SB 1813 is now headed for a vote in the House of Representatives, where it’s expected to encounter stiffer opposition among the GOP majority.


20 posted on 04/06/2012 7:32:45 PM PDT by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell. Signed, a fanatic)
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To: null and void

Oops - and you even pinged it out. I’m really not paying enough attention...


21 posted on 04/06/2012 7:33:55 PM PDT by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell. Signed, a fanatic)
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To: LibLieSlayer

Yep. People generally don’t know how much of the stuff you burn in any serious shooting.

Btw, is there still a sellers market for ammo like .45acp in the US? What about longrange hyper performance hunting ammo?


22 posted on 04/06/2012 7:40:04 PM PDT by Hardraade (http://junipersec.wordpress.com (nobody gives me warheads anyway))
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To: little jeremiah
After clearing the Senate on a 74 – 22 vote

Kind of explains why the fantasy of 60 or 65 Republicans in the Senate wouldn't do us any good anyway. Dems could lose 10 seats and we'd still get this fascist garbage shoved down our throats. A lot of Senate "Republicans" are just Dems that haven't come out of the closet.

23 posted on 04/06/2012 7:47:19 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s....you weren't really there)
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To: Hardraade
Certain calibers are still high and in short supply. Certain powders are in short supply... the shortages fluctuate. .45ACP, .223 and 7.62 are available... sometimes priced well and sometimes not. It is a spotty market. Ammo is high enough and money is tight enough that I can't shoot as much as I want to. I even have a small range setup. Plinking with .22’s on occasion is all I ever do these days.

LLS

24 posted on 04/06/2012 7:58:48 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!)
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To: LibLieSlayer
I myself have burned through over 2000 rounds of .45 ACP and 2500 rounds of 5.56 in an afternoon's shooting for serious practice.

You have to be working pretty hard to go through that kind of ammo in an *afternoon*.

The government probably provides the ammo for the qualifying, but I suspect agents buy their own ammo for practice. And your example of ammo use in one afternoon hardly translates into a model of every gun toting agent.

I'd like to see how many personnel are actually carriers and have to qualify. There is a whole lot of information we are having to extrapolate in this debate. A lot of assumptions being made.

The biggest mistake everyone makes is that they take individual or a few examples and make that into everyone in the relevant domestic agencies. It is a fallacy of logic to go from the micro to the macro.

25 posted on 04/06/2012 8:01:18 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s....you weren't really there)
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To: Hardraade
I forgot to add that some of the calibers like 7mm Rem mag, .375H&H, .300 Weatherby Magnum, .458 and the semi-exotics are priced through the stratosphere.

LLS

26 posted on 04/06/2012 8:04:52 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!)
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To: Kartographer

Big ol’ roll of tin foil there. The 450 million rounds of .40 short and weak are a ten year expenditure. Considering the number of Federal agents carrying a .40.... This works out to an average well below your average shooter...


27 posted on 04/06/2012 8:08:50 PM PDT by Dead Corpse (Steampunk- Yesterday's Tomorrow, Today)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

It is a multi-year supply contract, locking in a price mark and it can be exercised for up to 450 million rounds. I am not defending the DHS and janet incompetano... but in this case... I do not see anything out of the ordinary. Now if the State Department, Department of Education or the IRS order 450 million rounds... worry.

LLS


28 posted on 04/06/2012 8:10:25 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

Don’t forget the TSA... if they make a big order... really worry.

LLS


29 posted on 04/06/2012 8:13:22 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!)
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To: silverleaf
>"Agricultuure Dept buying another 200M rounds"

Damn Farmers, think they have the right to grow what ever they want!!!!

Where do they think they live? The USA?

30 posted on 04/06/2012 8:21:00 PM PDT by rawcatslyentist ("Behold, I am against you, O arrogant one," Jeremiah 50:31)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

A lot of Senate “Republicans” are just Dems that haven’t come out of the closet.


bttt that


31 posted on 04/06/2012 8:35:19 PM PDT by txhurl (Thank you, Andrew Breitbart. In your untimely passing, you have exposed these people one last time.)
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To: LibLieSlayer

Again, I think there is just too much extrapolation from insufficient hard numbers (people / guns / usage) in this argument.

I know you’re not defending DHS or Heinrich Napolitano. But one must anticipate future actions by studying the people and their previous behavior. DHS, Janet and the rest of Obama’s secret police wannabes are not to be trusted with BB guns, IMO. DHS officials have not been circumspect in their belief that freedom of movement in this country is not a right. One (I can’t remember who, think he was TSA) actually stated that we had no right to free movement around the country.

So, my position is one of extreme skepticism anytime I see these people doing something like this. There is entirely too much preoccupation in the federal domestic law enforcement agencies with monitoring and regulating the day to day behavior of US citizens with no criminal background. All under the guise of catching terrorists that they refuse to go after.

I’m profiled as some sort of seditious malcontent who presents a threat to the safety of the US because I know the real law of the land to be the Constitution. Muslim training camps operating on US soil are essentially ignored. Which pretty much puts the lie to the claim all of this rampant confiscation of our rights is needed to combat *real* terrorism.

Most of these people should be disarmed, many should be fired, and some belong in leg irons.


32 posted on 04/06/2012 8:48:22 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s....you weren't really there)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

I can’t disagree with your post. Dead on assessment. It is healthy to be skeptical... there are real and valid reasons to be on guard. I have read about this and talked with people that I trust that know what is going on and this IMHO is not as nefarious as it seems. That is just my opinion at this time but I... like you... do not trust any of the government. We have to be cautious... just look at the propaganda they sent out on the jobs market today. It was horrible... worst since last October... but they sold it as improving conditions and blue skies ahead.

LLS


33 posted on 04/06/2012 9:17:38 PM PDT by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!)
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To: LibLieSlayer
It was horrible... worst since last October... but they sold it as improving conditions and blue skies ahead.

Good news comrades. The chocolate ration is being increased from 30 grams to 25 grams.

34 posted on 04/06/2012 9:22:20 PM PDT by ChildOfThe60s (If you can remember the 60s....you weren't really there)
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To: ChildOfThe60s

I’m more in line with your thinking on this issue. The ammo they are talking about is +p+ full house rounds, frangibles. These are not training rounds. If you had people training with this stuff they would probably all develop a world class flinch for one thing not to mention its hard on the weapons and the backstops of your range. As far as I’m concerned let them train with this stuff. Most of them can’t hit the broad side of a barn anyway. Everytime they squeeze one off and do a squint and twitch OK by me.

If they do decide to turn their tender mercies on the general public I don’t think handguns are going to do that much good. Just remember distance is your friend.


35 posted on 04/06/2012 10:35:26 PM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped.)
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To: little jeremiah

Next step... Put up a wall just like the one they once had in Berlin.


36 posted on 04/06/2012 11:10:24 PM PDT by Bon mots ("When seconds count, the police are just minutes away...")
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To: ChildOfThe60s
The sugar content has been reduced by 75% of the original amount and has been replaced by powdered cardboard... cost went down from $1.00 a bar to $5.00 a bar. Look for obamawonka chocolate at your favorite party headquarters.

Love,
Che’

37 posted on 04/07/2012 5:04:55 AM PDT by LibLieSlayer (WOLVERINES!)
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To: little jeremiah

I saw that. I want to know how many bullet resistant booths and where exactly they’re going to be placed. It’s one thing if they’ve ordered a couple dozen to replace old ones along the border (not that there’s any real security there) or if they’re going to be placed at my city limits sign to check my travel papers. Of course, I’d have to make sure my taxes had been paid in order to keep my passport. Inch by inch...


38 posted on 04/07/2012 5:25:21 AM PDT by bgill
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To: Kartographer; null and void
They probably aren't very good shots, being against the 2nd Amendment, and all. They had to buy extra.

Announcing the purchase may be some sort of a threat, designed to intimidate us, but when they miss the first shot, we will have time to kill them before they draw a bead for the second.

I do love my PS90.
39 posted on 04/07/2012 6:28:35 AM PDT by TheOldLady (FReepmail me to get ON or OFF the ZOT LIGHTNING ping list)
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To: null and void

Por favor.


40 posted on 04/07/2012 6:30:18 AM PDT by riri (Plannedopolis-look it up. It's how the elites plan for US to live.)
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To: bigheadfred
Ten minutes in and I’ll just use theirs.

Ditto for all that other nifty gear that WE paid for.


41 posted on 04/07/2012 6:33:08 AM PDT by tomkat
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To: ChildOfThe60s
Good news comrades. The chocolate ration is being increased from 30 grams to 25 grams. RECTIFY.

ChildOfThe60s, all good Comrades remember that the Ministry of Plenty made a clear warning that it would probably be necessary to reduce the ration some time in April. To assert otherwise is doubleplusungood.

42 posted on 04/07/2012 6:36:21 AM PDT by Skepolitic
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To: Bon mots

Not likely they’ll put up a wall. How would all those illegal alien DEMOCRAT voters get in here and...

What say...?

They’re already here?

never mind.


43 posted on 04/07/2012 10:41:55 AM PDT by Dick Bachert (I really want Obozo to have another term -- in Leavenworth! 25 to life sounds about right.)
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