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Marine takes aim at military's free speech limit
cbs.news ^ | April 5, 2012 | CBs news

Posted on 04/07/2012 1:02:21 PM PDT by OL Hickory

The Marine Corps has said that it decided to take administrative action after Stein declared on Facebook that he would not follow unlawful orders from Obama.

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TOPICS: Education; Government; Military/Veterans; Politics
KEYWORDS: free; marine; military; speech
notice the term unlawful orders..
1 posted on 04/07/2012 1:02:30 PM PDT by OL Hickory
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To: OL Hickory

Don’t think I could serve today. Too may ways to hurt someone’s feelings.


2 posted on 04/07/2012 1:04:43 PM PDT by Terry Mross ("It happened. And we let it happen." - Peter Griffin, Family Guy)
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3 posted on 04/07/2012 1:06:05 PM PDT by South Hawthorne (In Memory of my dear Friend Henry Lee II)
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To: OL Hickory

People do not realize what a CLEAR AND PRESENT DANGER we are dealing with.


4 posted on 04/07/2012 1:06:06 PM PDT by EagleUSA
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To: OL Hickory

Did they expect him to say he would follow even every unlawful order by Obama?


5 posted on 04/07/2012 1:06:28 PM PDT by Dante3
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To: OL Hickory

Sgt. Stein is obviously a member of www.oathkeepers.org.

Anyone who is military, former military or LEO should belong.

Gunner


6 posted on 04/07/2012 1:11:16 PM PDT by weps4ret (Republicans are suffering from Testicular Atrophy!!!)
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To: OL Hickory
The military has had a policy since the Civil War limiting the free speech of service members, including criticizing the commander in chief. Military law experts have said he may have crossed the line.

And this may be true. Gary Stein may have crossed the line. But here are the consequences of his actions: he may win his case. Which, sets a precedence for future soldiers. There may be a situation, in the future, where we have a new President, in which Stein will be very supportive of him. Then along comes a soldier, who disagrees with this new President in which Stein is supportive of, yet decides he doesn't want to follow his orders either. Or at least say online, that he won't be following the Presidents order. Then this new soldier will be protected based on a case that Stein had won.

7 posted on 04/07/2012 1:20:21 PM PDT by ponder life
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To: weps4ret

It doesn’t really matter if he’s a member of oathkeepers..it’s the oath “against ALL enemies, foreign AND DOMESTIC” which the majority members of oathkeepers do NOT follow. Bunch a hypocrites.

Odumbo is a foreigner who is now on domestic soil. Every soldier should not even follow the CIC based on the false evidence of a Photoshopped birth cert.


8 posted on 04/07/2012 1:32:31 PM PDT by max americana
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To: OL Hickory

As I see it, if you’re in the military and you don’t like someone up the chain of command, you do one of the following:

1) You leave, then you complain
2) You plan a coup (if circumstances warrant)

The idea that you can speak out while is uniform is simply crazy. If I went public about my gripes with my company, I’d be canned, and I’d deserve it. I always have the option to complain through the chain of command...or to leave. I don’t have the option to undercut their business.


9 posted on 04/07/2012 1:37:03 PM PDT by BobL
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To: OL Hickory

Doesn’t the UCMJ say that personnel are NOT required to follow UNLAWFUL orders?


10 posted on 04/07/2012 2:17:05 PM PDT by octex
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To: OL Hickory; BobL
"The military may be different from the civilian world, but it's not exempt from the First Amendment," said David Loy, legal director for the ACLU of San Diego and Imperial Counties.

Sorry folks. Article I Section 8: "To make Rules for the Government and Regulation of the land and Naval forces."

Our Framers provided for the obvious. They made an exception to the rights that go to civilians. I hope things work out for SGT Stein, yet while in uniform he should STFU.

11 posted on 04/07/2012 2:25:18 PM PDT by Jacquerie (No court will save us from ourselves.)
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To: OL Hickory

That’s not what he initially said. He had to do some major back peddling.


12 posted on 04/07/2012 2:25:29 PM PDT by SandyInSeattle (Smith & Wesson: The original point and click interface)
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To: OL Hickory
If you cant keep your political opinions to yourself then get out if you are in, and don't join if you are not and can not.
Its a simple concept that has served our military and our country for over 200 years.
13 posted on 04/07/2012 3:11:26 PM PDT by montanajoe
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To: Dante3

Obozo should have someone read him the history of the Nuremberg Trials (assuming he can FIND someone in the WH who CAN read).

That “I vas yust follink oders” chit worked quite well then, didn’t it?


14 posted on 04/07/2012 3:45:09 PM PDT by Dick Bachert (I really want Obozo to have another term -- in Leavenworth! 25 to life sounds about right.)
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To: Dante3

Obozo should have someone read him the history of the Nuremberg Trials (assuming he can FIND someone in the WH who CAN read).

That “I vas yust follink oders” chit worked quite well then, didn’t it?


15 posted on 04/07/2012 3:45:10 PM PDT by Dick Bachert (I really want Obozo to have another term -- in Leavenworth! 25 to life sounds about right.)
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