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Unfamiliar with his “Christian beliefs”, Obama declares “Jesus had doubts”
coachisright.com ^ | April 8, 2012 | Kevin "Coach" Collins

Posted on 04/08/2012 1:07:37 PM PDT by jmaroneps37

Maybe somebody should call Father Jenkins at Notre Dame and ask him to teach his pal Barack a bit about the religious doctrines Obama professes to believe.

Last Wednesday at a White House Prayer Breakfast Barack Obama took his plan to redesign Christian doctrine up a notch.

To the stunned amazement of onlookers Obama the Muslim trained and educated president challenged the divinity of Jesus Christ. Of course he thought he was clever with his sop to Islam and his “finger in the eye” pronouncement, but his remarks leave no doubt about his continuing hostility toward the biggest obstacle to Islam’s world domination: Roman Catholicism.

Comparing himself to Jesus Christ, Obama told his audience, “For like us, Jesus knew doubt. Like us, Jesus knew fear. In the garden of Gethsemane, with attackers closing in around him, Jesus told His disciples, ‘my soul is overwhelmed with sorrow to the point of death. We all have experiences that shake our faith. There are times where we have questions for God’s plan relative to us. But that’s precisely when we should remember Christ’s own doubts and eventually his own triumph.”

A professor of theology at a Catholic – Catholic university (as opposed to the fake “Catholic” universities) commented on Obama’s remarks saying, “My question is what would He be doubting? Would He be doubting the Father’s care and merciful love?

Is He doubting the value of his mission? I don’t think there is any real context that I could understand to say Jesus doubted.”

Keeping in mind that Muslims don’t believe Jesus was divine makes sense of these remarks. Obama was obviously projecting his own “doubts” about who Jesus was …..“….the Bible does not say Jesus who is God had any doubts. But why would Obama know that?

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BTW Notre Dame has a tenured professor who mocks the pro lifers on its campus and calls them names. Nice place that formerly Catholic school has become under Father Jenkins.
1 posted on 04/08/2012 1:07:43 PM PDT by jmaroneps37
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To: jmaroneps37

From what I read in the Bible, Jesus had doubts of his ability to withstand the test he faced. He prayed to the Father for “this cup to pass from him. Yet not my will but Your’s be done.”

There is no indication he doubted God existed or that he was the Son of God.


2 posted on 04/08/2012 1:11:33 PM PDT by Sherman Logan
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To: jmaroneps37

The sheer arrogance of this man knows no bounds. To believe that he can lecture Christians on religion (and he’s about as good at that as he is Constitutional Law)!


3 posted on 04/08/2012 1:17:58 PM PDT by RoosterRedux
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To: Sherman Logan

0bama is simply playing to the ignorant for his political purposes. He’s a master at that.

He always relies on the ignorance of most people to push his agenda. The sheep fall for most of it and the media never call him on anything.


4 posted on 04/08/2012 1:19:33 PM PDT by unkus (Silence Is Consent)
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To: jmaroneps37
Last Wednesday at a White House Prayer Breakfast Barack Obama took his plan to redesign Christian doctrine up a notch.

To the stunned amazement of onlookers Obama the Muslim trained and educated president challenged the divinity of Jesus Christ.



OK.

Is there anyone that still thinks he is NOT nuts?

.

5 posted on 04/08/2012 1:20:47 PM PDT by TLI ( ITINERIS IMPENDEO VALHALLA)
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To: jmaroneps37
Comparing himself to Jesus Christ, Obama told his audience, “For like us, Jesus knew doubt. Like us, Jesus knew fear. In the garden of Gethsemane, with attackers closing in around him, Jesus told His disciples, ‘my soul is overwhelmed with sorrow to the point of death.

Which of course, connotes neither doubt nor fear.

Not only is 0bama an idiot, I'm becoming convinced he doesn't understand simple English.

6 posted on 04/08/2012 1:21:12 PM PDT by Colonel_Flagg (There will be no vote for Myth Romney in my house. Period.)
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To: Sherman Logan

Jesus wanted the cup to be taken from him because
of the physical and spiritual pain he knew was
coming. By this he identified on his human
side with our fears and doubts about our ability
to make it through tests and trials, but I don’t
think he ever doubted his ability to make it
through because he always knew the power of
his Father.


7 posted on 04/08/2012 1:21:34 PM PDT by WKTimpco (Traditional Values Counter Revolution)
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To: jmaroneps37

Jesus had doubts.... But Obama does not.


8 posted on 04/08/2012 1:23:15 PM PDT by Brilliant
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To: RoosterRedux

You are so right. Makes me want to throw up.


9 posted on 04/08/2012 1:24:32 PM PDT by sueQ
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To: Sherman Logan

There’ a new paradigm shift every time Obama opens his mouth... no one, no philosopher, no political scientist, no theologian, no cartographer, no physicist, no psychologist , no one can map where this man’s thoughts have ranged, and no one can tell where he’ll land his next comments.


10 posted on 04/08/2012 1:27:46 PM PDT by dps.inspect (the system is rigged...)
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To: Sherman Logan

“....Jesus had doubts of his ability to withstand the test he faced.”

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No He didn’t — He predicted His death before it happened.

The die was certainly cast at the Last Supper when He declared that His Body and Blood would be given up and shed for our salvation. No more turning back.

The Catholic Church teaches that Jesus chose a death “He freely accepted”. He was in total charge at all time and let Pilate know it.


11 posted on 04/08/2012 1:27:59 PM PDT by 353FMG
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To: WKTimpco

PS 0bama is trying to say, “Jesus is no
big deal. He’s just a person like us.
It’s ok to try one of the other faiths
that have a fallible human as its
progenitor.”

Don’t forget: Greeks believe in
Greek exceptionalism, etc., etc.


12 posted on 04/08/2012 1:28:59 PM PDT by WKTimpco (Traditional Values Counter Revolution)
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To: Sherman Logan

Jesus was talking about his human nature which does have doubts and limits. Sweating blood in the Garden of Gethsemane—”And being in agony He was praying very fervently; and His sweat became like drops of blood, falling down upon the ground.” (Luke 22:44)—speaks of a human under heavy strain. The medical word for it is “hematohidrosis”. It can happen when the blood vessels around the sweat glands constrict (due to extreme stress) and then dilate to the point of rupture. The blood is released from the body through the sweat glands.

However, he had divine knowledge, which was stronger—infinitely stronger. Christ did not need to relieve his suffering through a miracle on himself. He knew his mission was to suffer for mankind as a sacrifice for sin. It was in a garden that the first sin was committed. It is in a garden that sin would be redeemed through Jesus’ sacrifice. It is God’s gift to end man’s guilt for his sinful nature—something no other religion acknowledges and something that we can freely receive.


13 posted on 04/08/2012 1:34:10 PM PDT by jonrick46 (Countdown to 11-06-2012)
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To: Brilliant

THIS from a man (with no doubts, no doubt), who can recite the Koran in Arabic.

Such a classic American! Wise! Educated! Steeped in American Culture and Tradition!


14 posted on 04/08/2012 1:35:14 PM PDT by himno hero (Obamas theme...Death to America...The crusaders will pay!)
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To: Brilliant

Good point. Secular humanism
has found its absurd logical
extreme in the person of...

Bar@ck Hu$$ein 0bama


15 posted on 04/08/2012 1:37:56 PM PDT by WKTimpco (Traditional Values Counter Revolution)
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To: jonrick46

Your comment blessed me. Thanks


16 posted on 04/08/2012 1:42:34 PM PDT by sueQ
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To: jmaroneps37

Separation of Church and State goes out the window.


17 posted on 04/08/2012 1:43:28 PM PDT by Razzz42
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To: jmaroneps37
Obama told his audience, “For like us, Jesus knew doubt.

I think Obama's knowledge of the events surrounding Jesus' death come from the movie "Jesus Christ Superstar". Do y'all remember the song of Gethsemane?

I'd want to know
I'd want to know my God
I'd want to know
I'd want to know my God
I'd want to see
I'd want to see my God
I'd want to see
I'd want to see my God
Why I should die

Would I be more noticed
Than I ever was before?
Would the things I've said and done
Matter any more?

I'd have to know
I'd have to know my Lord
I'd have to know
I'd have to know my Lord
I'd have to see
I'd have to see my Lord
I'd have to see
I'd have to see my Lord

If I die what will be my reward?
If I die what will be my reward?

I'd have to know
I'd have to know my Lord
I'd have to know
I'd have to know my Lord

Why, why should I die?

Good movie, bad theology!

18 posted on 04/08/2012 1:46:04 PM PDT by Former Fetus (Saved by grace through faith)
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To: RoosterRedux
The accounts of the agony in the garden in the Gospels (Matthew, Mark, and Luke--John skips over that part) do not portray Jesus as having doubts. Obama probably got that from the Rolling Stones' song "Sympathy for the Devil."

Didn't Obama presume to set himself up as the arbiter of Catholic teaching and practice in his speech at the University of Notre Dame?

19 posted on 04/08/2012 1:47:12 PM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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To: jmaroneps37

20 posted on 04/08/2012 1:48:42 PM PDT by EternalVigilance (You can be a Romney Republican or you can be a conservative. You can't be both. Pick one.)
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To: jmaroneps37

Obama is a fool, Jesus was not. Obama is full of hate. Jesus was full of love.


21 posted on 04/08/2012 1:48:42 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: jmaroneps37
As I understand it, it is unreasonable to ascribe a faith to Jesus. It would be remarkable if Jesus felt called upon to worship himself
22 posted on 04/08/2012 1:50:53 PM PDT by muir_redwoods (I like Obamacare because Granny signed the will and I need the cash)
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To: freekitty

My daughter recently emailed me:

“Mom, we need to pray for Obama”. Suggested prayer...

Psalm 109:8

“Let his days be numbered; and let another take his place”.

My prayer from now to November!


23 posted on 04/08/2012 2:11:08 PM PDT by sueQ
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To: jmaroneps37

“Pleased to meet you...hope you guess my name...
“But what’s puzzling you is just the nature of my game...”

24 posted on 04/08/2012 2:19:00 PM PDT by RichInOC (Jesus is coming back soon. And man, is He ticked off. (I'm trying to keep it clean.))
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To: sueQ

I love this.


25 posted on 04/08/2012 2:24:38 PM PDT by freekitty (Give me back my conservative vote; then find me a real conservative to vote for)
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To: jmaroneps37

He can however recite the muslim call to prayers in perfect Arabic.


26 posted on 04/08/2012 2:26:12 PM PDT by Cringing Negativism Network (Draft Palin VP!)
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To: jmaroneps37

I find Obama’s comparison to God unbelievable. It’s simpy not rational. I truly think he is mentally ill. Will bet my last dollar that he is on meds....and has been for a long, long time.


27 posted on 04/08/2012 2:27:58 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: jmaroneps37

The level of stupidity and contempt, that this man has knows no bounds.

What’s worse though, are the masses that still somehow support him and believe his bulls**t.


28 posted on 04/08/2012 2:37:06 PM PDT by qaz123
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To: Colonel_Flagg

I think 0bama is as cunning as the Devil himself.


29 posted on 04/08/2012 2:48:29 PM PDT by celtic gal
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To: celtic gal

I think maybe he IS the devil himself, who has always used disguises to fool humankind.


30 posted on 04/08/2012 3:02:52 PM PDT by LUV W (Reserved for a hero........)
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To: LUV W

Pride goes before a fall! May his fall come the first Tuesday of November....


31 posted on 04/08/2012 3:06:54 PM PDT by princess leah
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To: princess leah

Amen to that!


32 posted on 04/08/2012 3:19:52 PM PDT by LUV W (Reserved for a hero........)
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To: jmaroneps37

“My soul is overwhelmed WITH SORROW to the point of death.” Mark 14:34

Let’s get the quotation correct. When you do this, you can plainly see that Jesus was not overwhelmed with doubt or with fear.


33 posted on 04/08/2012 3:28:37 PM PDT by Redmen4ever
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To: jmaroneps37

This is what happens when one’s religious experience is limited to watching The Last Temptation of Christ.


34 posted on 04/08/2012 3:41:44 PM PDT by paudio (no tagline for now...)
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To: Redmen4ever

Obama is a Muslim (by his own admittance); therefor a deceiver (by their own admittance): therefor offspring of the “Father of Lies” according to the Word . He may or may not be “THE” antichrist, but without a doubt he is an antichrist. Kind of creepy, huh?


35 posted on 04/08/2012 4:01:10 PM PDT by sueQ
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To: Redmen4ever

in one translation. in another it is slightly different, so lets go to the words in the Bible that are NOT translated, but rendered through the centuries in the original Aramaic. Our Lord’s very last words:

“Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?” which, translated into English become “My God, My God, Why have you forsaken me?”

and while it is a quotation from Elijah, is is also a shout of pure despair, and yes, doubt.

Do not let your hatred of Obama warp you away from the central truth of Christianity: Jesus was FULLY human AND fully divine. He was capable of every human emotion we are, and yes the bible does show him in moments of sorrow, joy, anger, and even doubt. If Christ had no doubts then could he truly be said to have faith?

What is faith but the decision to believe even in the absence of evidence and the presence of doubt? How could Christ be our exemplar and model if he operated without faith? Does not Paul tells us, that without faith,we cannot have hope of the Resurrection?

Consider the passage where the devil tempts Jesus three times in the desert. What is that about except a reflection of the human jesus overcoming his doubts to serve the father? Can you even be said to be tempted if you never have any doubts as to the proper way to proceed?

In that story Jesus is on the cusp of beginning his ministry and Satan offers him three paths to take, that while they are not the one his Father intends, appeal to Jesus’ human side, and even his human compassion. They reflect Jesus’ own doubts about how to carry out this incredible task he’d been given.

Each of the temptations SEEMS like a good thing, at first. Jesus COULD make bread from stones, and by extension he could easily have used his divine power to alleviate hunger and disease in the world. But that was not what the Father intended. Jesus was on a mission to save our immortal souls not our bodies, and by focusing on the one,Satan hoped Jesus would be overwhelmed and unable to deal with the more important one.

So then Satan, realizing he can’t sidetrack Jesus’ mission attempts to “help” him fulfill it. If you are here to convert the world, says Satan, why not use your power to FORCE the world to believe, either by demonstrating miracles so powerful that they have no choice but to admit you are the son of God, or by using your power to bring the world under your rule and kingship (and would the world ever have had so wonderful or enlightened a ruler? Would not the Pax Christorum have saved the world incredible misery and hardship? wouldn’t YOU want to live in a world ruled by Jesus?)

But again, Jesus knows that is not how the Father wants him to use his time on earth, and again he remains steadfast. But surely, that passage is in the Bible to demonstrate to us that even the Son of God can be tempted, to strengthen US when we have uncertainty about whether what we want to do is serving ourselves or God.

Take away Jesus’ ability to doubt and you take away his ability to be a relevant guide to us fallible humans whose lives are FILLED with uncertainty and doubt


36 posted on 04/08/2012 4:02:54 PM PDT by Lex Gabba
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To: RoosterRedux

Sometimes I marvel that Zero hasn’t been struck by lightning or something; and then I am reminded that Hitler, Stalin, Mao et al were all permitted to “run their course” and at some point even repent; but they never did. There is a scripture which states that God even gave the infamous Jezebel “space to repent” but she did not.

Bottom line; The world appears to be winding down to mayhem, just as prophesied, and Believers need to just keep on keeping on and listening for the last trumpet and the Lord’s shout, per 1st Thessalonians 4:13 - 18.


37 posted on 04/08/2012 4:15:39 PM PDT by Tucker39 ( Psa 68:19Blessed be the Lord, who daily loadeth us with benefits; even the God of our salvation.KJV)
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To: jmaroneps37

I’ve always thought that Jesus being a prophet, knew that when He died on the cross (being the final necessary blood sacrifice), that His people (Christians) would suffer greatly for the next 2000 years proclaiming this sacrifice and what it meant. I’ve never thought He was afraid of the cross or the nails or the cat-o-nine-tails. I think He was asking God, just as Abraham did concerning Sodom and Gomorrah, if there was a way to follow a different path to avoid 2000 years of strife for Christians. He could see the suffering His people would endure.


38 posted on 04/08/2012 4:32:52 PM PDT by Partisan Gunslinger
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To: WKTimpco

“...because of the physical and spiritual pain he knew was
coming.”

Agreed. However, I believe that Jesus DID bear all of the things that we have to deal with - including doubt I would think. Perhaps he doubted some of his choices for disciples sometimes when they would ask stupid questions sometimes at some of his parables? ;)

Of course as God He is outside of time, so knew what was going to happen, so I guess there probably was no doubt. I seem to recall something about “not all things are revealed by the Father” - but that is probably pertaining to a prophet or something.

I won’t rag on Obama for this possible missinterpretation of scripture. However, I will call him a deceiver for using ANY references to the Bible for his political gain and using them like they form any basis for his faith.


39 posted on 04/08/2012 4:33:19 PM PDT by 21twelve
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To: Lex Gabba

“My God, My God, Why have you forsaken me?”

Thank you. And I believe that Jesus WAS separated from God (somehow? not sure how - in that He is God?!?) as he had all the sins of the world laid on him. And while perhaps Jesus had no doubt that He, in three days, would rise victorious - he still asked “Why?”

Interestingly, how many times do we ask “Why have you forsaken me?” And unlike with Jesus perhaps - God IS still there with us.


40 posted on 04/08/2012 4:44:21 PM PDT by 21twelve
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To: Lex Gabba
and while it is a quotation from Elijah, is is also a shout of pure despair, and yes, doubt.

Read Psalm 22 and get back to me.

Cheers!

41 posted on 04/08/2012 4:46:08 PM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: Sherman Logan

There was no no doubt of His ability to endure. There was dread of what He had to face, not doubt of His ability to endure it.


42 posted on 04/08/2012 4:51:00 PM PDT by arjay (NOMOBAMA)
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To: Lex Gabba

I believe your reasoning is flawed. He had the ability to sin, but He did not. He had the ability to doubt, but He did not.


43 posted on 04/08/2012 4:54:14 PM PDT by arjay (NOMOBAMA)
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To: jmaroneps37

“Eloi Eloi lama sabachthani”

No question Christ’s most alone time...must have been horrible....absorbing the sins of humanity was overwhelming...and he was severed for a time


44 posted on 04/08/2012 4:55:59 PM PDT by wardaddy (I am a social conservative. My political party left me(again). They can go to hell in a bucket.)
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To: Lex Gabba
“Eli, Eli, lama sabachthani?

It's also a reference to the 22nd psalm which presages Jesus' betrayal, crucifixion and death in great detail. Jesus was letting Us know that in His death and resurrection prophecy was being fulfilled.

CC

45 posted on 04/08/2012 5:04:15 PM PDT by Celtic Conservative (Q: how did you find America? A: turn left at Greenland)
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To: jmaroneps37; All

All Bambi “needs) to know (and does know) about the Gospels he learned from The Last Temptation of Christ and Jesus Christ Superstar! Seriously.


46 posted on 04/08/2012 5:12:43 PM PDT by shalom aleichem
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To: Lex Gabba

If you look at Psalm 16 vv. 8-11 (cited by Peter at Pentecost in Acts 2:22-28) you will read of One whose confidence was in God because he “had ever set the Lord’s face before me.” Those verses refer to the Savior’s state of mind while ever drawing nearer to the cross (”My heart did rejoice, My tongue was glad, My flesh shall rest in hope”). His confidence leads Him to trust fully and completely in His Father (”thou wilt not leave my soul in hell, neither wilt thou suffer thine Holy One to see corruption”) as He draws near to his ultimate sufferings—and the grave of which Peter spoke in Acts 2:24 that “it was not possible that He should be holden of it.” Peter’s conclusion about his Savior was that it was an absolute impossibility for Christ to die and remain in the ground (for it is sin that bringeth forth death and this man did no sin, knew no sin neither was there any sin in Him!) The concluding verses of Psalm 16 speak of the risen Savior and His exaltation to that place where He dwelt before in eternities past - in the bosom of the Father (”Thou hast made known to me the ways of life; thou shalt make me full of joy with thy countenance.”) There ever to dwell with the Father - the Father once more united with the Son of His Love, the One in Whom He is well-pleased.

I’m not sure where to fit the idea of doubt in there. I’m sure there was something along the lines of experiencing the horrors of God’s judgment raining down on Him as he bore our sin in His own body on the tree (for it says, “it is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God!”). But doubt in the character and nature of God—never. He and the Father are One.


47 posted on 04/08/2012 5:18:26 PM PDT by MarDav
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To: Celtic Conservative

Exactly correct. He came to FULFILL the Law and the Prophets.


48 posted on 04/08/2012 5:27:57 PM PDT by ImaGraftedBranch (...By reading this, you've collapsed my wave function. Thanks.)
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To: sueQ

.... islam is a personification of anti christ, and here we have one of their Ghazi’s in OUR White House. Creepy is a understatement when you add in the predictions of biblical writers.

Simply put, it’s evidence that we are in the end times.


49 posted on 04/08/2012 5:34:30 PM PDT by himno hero (Obamas theme...Death to America...The crusaders will pay!)
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To: jmaroneps37

Obama is more familiar with the Muslim view of Jesus.


50 posted on 04/08/2012 5:35:37 PM PDT by The Great RJ ("The problem with socialism is that pretty soon you run out of other people's money" M. Thatcher)
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