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Bible ^ | 04/08/2012 | FreeAtlanta

Posted on 04/08/2012 2:50:05 PM PDT by FreeAtlanta

While sitting in service, I was jarred by a verse that we read about unleavened bread. It covered both foreign and "Native-born".

Exodus 12:19 For seven days no yeast is to be found in your houses. And anyone, whether foreigner or native-born, who eats anything with yeast in it must be cut off from the community of Israel.
hmm, so this whole natural born stuff isn't some uniquely American "racists" thing that our founders invented? Recognition of native or natural born is something people of other nations and people have always been concerned with. Why?

Anyway, I thought it was fascinating and thought many of you would, too.


TOPICS: Government; History; Religion
KEYWORDS: 2012; eligibility; nativeborn; naturalborncitizen; obama; vetting; vettingobama; whoisobama
Here are more chapters that use the term native-born;

BibleGateway.com - Native-Born

Exodus 12:19
For seven days no yeast is to be found in your houses. And anyone, whether foreigner or native-born, who eats anything with yeast in it must be cut off from the community of Israel.

Exodus 12:49
The same law applies both to the native-born and to the foreigner residing among you.”

Leviticus 16:29
“This is to be a lasting ordinance for you: On the tenth day of the seventh month you must deny yourselves and not do any work—whether native-born or a foreigner residing among you—

Leviticus 17:15
“‘Anyone, whether native-born or foreigner, who eats anything found dead or torn by wild animals must wash their clothes and bathe with water, and they will be ceremonially unclean till evening; then they will be clean.

Leviticus 18:26
But you must keep my decrees and my laws. The native-born and the foreigners residing among you must not do any of these detestable things,

Leviticus 19:34
The foreigner residing among you must be treated as your native-born. Love them as yourself, for you were foreigners in Egypt. I am the LORD your God.

Leviticus 23:42
Live in temporary shelters for seven days: All native-born Israelites are to live in such shelters

Leviticus 24:16
anyone who blasphemes the name of the LORD is to be put to death. The entire assembly must stone them. Whether foreigner or native-born, when they blaspheme the Name they are to be put to death.

Leviticus 24:22
You are to have the same law for the foreigner and the native-born. I am the LORD your God.’”

Numbers 9:14
“‘A foreigner residing among you is also to celebrate the LORD’s Passover in accordance with its rules and regulations. You must have the same regulations for both the foreigner and the native-born.’”

1 posted on 04/08/2012 2:50:16 PM PDT by FreeAtlanta
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To: FreeAtlanta
I was jarred by a verse

Pity you weren't jarred by a verse about capitalization.

Like as in titles. As in yours.

2 posted on 04/08/2012 3:10:07 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: humblegunner

Dude! You are REALLY grumpy!

Complaints about capitalization in titles? really? Really? rEALLY?

I hope all is well in HG-land and you had a good Easter.


3 posted on 04/08/2012 3:13:43 PM PDT by freedumb2003 ('RETRO' Abortions = performed on 84th trimester individuals who think killing babies is a "right.")
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To: freedumb2003

He’s happy when he’s most grumpy.


4 posted on 04/08/2012 3:18:07 PM PDT by Red Steel
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To: freedumb2003
Complaints about capitalization in titles?

Not a complaint, merely an observation.

If one cares so little about what is posted here, why is the illiterate even posting?

This isn't Twitter.

5 posted on 04/08/2012 3:19:25 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: FreeAtlanta

What was the reasoning behind no yeast?


6 posted on 04/08/2012 3:20:53 PM PDT by stuartcr ("In this election year of 12, how deep into their closets will we delve?")
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To: Red Steel; humblegunner

I should have posted “your real grumpy” just to hack him off and, in doing so, make him happier...

;) :)

Let’s face it HG, we love it when you be happie!


7 posted on 04/08/2012 3:23:44 PM PDT by freedumb2003 ('RETRO' Abortions = performed on 84th trimester individuals who think killing babies is a "right.")
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To: stuartcr

>>What was the reasoning behind no yeast?<<

Fear of a yeast infection?


8 posted on 04/08/2012 3:25:01 PM PDT by freedumb2003 ('RETRO' Abortions = performed on 84th trimester individuals who think killing babies is a "right.")
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To: FreeAtlanta

The Hebrew word is ‘ger’ and it is not really analogous to ‘natural born’ in American political usage.

The Hebrew word ‘ger’ has two usages, 1) ‘ger toshav’ stranger-sojourner - one who lives in the Land of Israel but isn’t Jewish, instead carefully observing the seven Noahide Laws, and 2) ‘ger tzedek’ - righteous convert to Judaism and full-fledged Jew.

In the verses cited, it is the second use of the word (’convert’) that is used.

There is another word, ‘necher’, that is used for ‘stranger’ but in English is frequently not differentiated from ‘ger’. This would be closer to the term ‘foreigner’.


9 posted on 04/08/2012 3:26:09 PM PDT by jjotto ("Ya could look it up!")
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To: stuartcr
In the Old Testament, leaven (yeast) represents error or evil and sin. Paul warned the Church at Corinth that "a little leaven (yeast) leavens (ferments) the whole lump" (1 Corinthians 5:6). Just as a little leaven ferments the whole dough, unchecked sin will permeate and infect everything and everybody

The Bible speaks of leaven as something that "puffs up" things, and there are things in our lives and hearts that can "puff us up" too, including vanity, greed, wicked thoughts, and more. The preparations for this special time calls the Jews to meditate on what may be puffing up their lives, while they physically remove "puffing agents" and puffy baked goods from their cupboards.

Fermentation (leavening) also talks about false doctrine. The Lord said to His disciples "Beware of the leaven (false doctrine) of the Pharisees" (Matthew 16:6; Mark 8:15).

Finally, yeast/leaven represents decay, i.e. the grave.

10 posted on 04/08/2012 4:07:00 PM PDT by Former Fetus (Saved by grace through faith)
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To: stuartcr

One reason is to teach people about how easy it is to sin. Yeast is used to represent sin and you have to remove the yeast out of your house and life for a week to physically represent removing sin from your whole life. A little yeast affects the whole loaf as in a little sin can corrupt the whole individual.

I imagine it is harder to follow unleavened bread today than it was in old Israel. We are surrounded by rolls, muffins, pancakes, hamburgers... It might be like life in general. We have a lot more temptations to avoid today (bad movies, filth on the internet, etc).

Another big reason has to to with remembering the quick departure from Egypt and what God did to bring his people out of slavery.

I guess there are other things, too. I wouldn’t be surprised if it also had a hygiene reason. God set down a lot of rules that improved the lives of his people. Not all were understood. Modern science has shone several to have great merit (not eating pork or shrimp, handling of unclean clothing and people with disease)


11 posted on 04/08/2012 4:38:23 PM PDT by FreeAtlanta (Liberty and Justice for ALL)
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To: humblegunner
I am sorry I offended you Mr. Humble Gunner

I just copied the line right out of the Bible verse. I intentionally did not capitalize it.

12 posted on 04/08/2012 4:40:15 PM PDT by FreeAtlanta (Liberty and Justice for ALL)
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To: jjotto

Thanks jjotto,

Your reply was an interesting read.


13 posted on 04/08/2012 4:42:22 PM PDT by FreeAtlanta (Liberty and Justice for ALL)
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To: Former Fetus

That was a great reply. I would like to add that many Christian sects and individuals also practice the week of unleavened bread.

It is humbling to think you have your pantry and house cleaned, then a few days later, find a cheese cracker or gold fish. Or, sometime during the week, carelessly be eating a danish that was brought into the office break room.

It really can help you focus on how easy it is to sin anytime throughout the year. It is like teaching a child to count by using counting blocks.


14 posted on 04/08/2012 4:48:01 PM PDT by FreeAtlanta (Liberty and Justice for ALL)
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To: FreeAtlanta
I am sorry I offended you

Oh, you didn't offend me. Does it offend you when someone writes poorly?

Or does it just cause you to feel pity for their ignorance and apathy?

I intentionally did not capitalize it.

Ah. Willful apathy then.

It's nice to know you think so little of this forum.

15 posted on 04/08/2012 4:51:49 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: freedumb2003
Let’s face it HG, we love it when you be happie!


16 posted on 04/08/2012 5:40:51 PM PDT by humblegunner
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To: humblegunner

Humblegunner,

Oh boy, I remember those two! I suffered through episodes when my son just HAD to see it :0

Back on topic, interesting reading, about how ancient Israel handled things in regards to citizenship.
They had the equivalent of natural born citizens and permanent residents .... hmmmm where did Philistines fit in...I think they were booted out when the Israelites first got to their new land (?)


17 posted on 04/08/2012 7:36:13 PM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: WildHighlander57

FreeAtlanta,

Meant to include you on the previous post.

Great catch, back in ancient Israel there were natural born citizens, as well as resident aliens (”foreigners “) Would Philistines = illegals?


18 posted on 04/08/2012 7:42:39 PM PDT by WildHighlander57 ((WildHighlander57 returning after lurking since 2000))
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To: stuartcr

The bread of haste.


19 posted on 04/08/2012 7:44:08 PM PDT by scrabblehack
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To: freedumb2003

Makes sense


20 posted on 04/09/2012 2:10:33 AM PDT by stuartcr ("In this election year of 12, how deep into their closets will we delve?")
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To: Former Fetus

Sourdough is produced by natural yeasts that are in the air, isn’t it? Would sourdough be considered evil?


21 posted on 04/09/2012 2:14:30 AM PDT by stuartcr ("In this election year of 12, how deep into their closets will we delve?")
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To: FreeAtlanta


Didn't our Heavenly Father, through our Savior tell us...

How well we deserve this curse (~so shall the LORD bring upon you all evil things~) God has given us,
through the ILLEGAL IMMIGRANT IN CHIEF, the FASCIST Obama.

Someone once ask, "When is violence for political purposes justified?"...

I recommend the following for your valuable time, to ponder... (all 37 pages)

Violence, Nonviolence, and the American Revolution

All things written in the Bible must come to pass,
and we WILL get to the day worse than has ever been.

And this too shall pass...

Can you remember reading about "a thorn in their side"?

The command I await is...

Obama, and his Marxist minions, SHALL be gathered and bound.
22 posted on 04/09/2012 2:32:13 AM PDT by Yosemitest (It's simple, fight or die!)
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To: stuartcr

I didn’t say that yeast IS evil but that in the Old Testament yeast REPRESENTS evil. That said, sourdough would not be kosher during the Passover/Unleavened Bread week.


23 posted on 04/09/2012 6:32:19 AM PDT by Former Fetus (Saved by grace through faith)
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To: Former Fetus

ok, thanx


24 posted on 04/09/2012 6:53:12 AM PDT by stuartcr ("In this election year of 12, how deep into their closets will we delve?")
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To: stuartcr

I would call bread evil. During the week of unleavened bread, it just represents sin and is a lessen on removing sin from our lives. It is a short, 1 week sacrifice.

How long does sour dough bread take to become leavened? I have never made any.


25 posted on 04/09/2012 7:03:48 AM PDT by FreeAtlanta (Liberty and Justice for ALL)
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To: FreeAtlanta

Once the starter gets working, about 2-3 days, it stays active as long as it is fed. The bread is made like normal bread.

FormerFetus, please note


26 posted on 04/09/2012 2:24:27 PM PDT by stuartcr ("In this election year of 12, how deep into their closets will we delve?")
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