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How Much Water Is Enough?
Modern Survival Blog ^ | 4/9/12 | Ken

Posted on 04/09/2012 4:19:37 PM PDT by Kartographer

If you like food as much as I do, it’s hard to imagine that our body can actually go weeks without food. It wouldn’t be fun, of course, but it can be done. But without water, our bodies can get into serious trouble quickly – just a matter of days before dehydration can set in. So why is it that many people keep lots of extra food stored in their houses, but neglect to store any water?

This subject came to mind recently when my cousin told me about having to endure a power outage with no drinkable water. Since power outages often impact water treatment facilities, tap water can be unsafe for drinking. The situation was made worse by the fact that her child had vomiting and diarrhea, which meant that there was an even greater need for drinking water, as well as water for cleaning, sanitation and hand washing.

For instance, a mixture of water and chlorine bleach would have greatly assisted in sanitizing around her child, helping to ensure that others didn’t also get sick. And obviously, you wouldn’t want to clean up after such a mess without being able to thoroughly wash your hands. (As a dad, I know that’s NOT fun!) Finally, water for food preparation is a supply you’ll need over and above what you plan to drink.

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Well according to some FReepers why store water? Just go over to your local neighborhood prepper and demand if they are Christians they supply you with water out of their stash.
1 posted on 04/09/2012 4:19:57 PM PDT by Kartographer
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To: Kartographer

It is tough to store enough water beyound a short term need.

Longer term prepping must use water production/filtration.


2 posted on 04/09/2012 4:24:20 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Kartographer

Which bleach is 5.25% sodium hypochlorite these days? Any brand that’s readily available?


3 posted on 04/09/2012 4:26:55 PM PDT by APatientMan (Pick a side)
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To: Kartographer

Between all the diet coke, club soda, juices, bottled H2O, cement pond and water heater I figure I’m good for a couple of weeks, maybe more, before I have to venture out and bring H2O back to purify in my Lifesaver® or Berkeys. I have three Lifesaver and two Berkey and a few Katadyns.

I’m probably good for years if I don’t get picked off by some miscreant.


4 posted on 04/09/2012 4:29:55 PM PDT by Vendome (Don't take life so seriously, you won't live through it anyway)
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To: appalachian_dweller; OldPossum; DuncanWaring; VirginiaMom; CodeToad; goosie; kalee; ...

Preppers’ PING!

Theres a reason Sarajevo survivor says: “Living near a well with a manual pump is like living in the garden of Eden.”

From my Preparedness Manual, which you can download for FREE at:

http://tomeaker.com/kart/Preparedness1j.pdf

NOTE! THIS IS A FREE DOWNLOAD. I DO NOT MAKE ONE CENT OFF MY PREPAREDNESS MANUAL!


5 posted on 04/09/2012 4:30:05 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: APatientMan

Easier to store pool shock (Calcium Hypochlorite) and make your own bleach solution.

http://readynutrition.com/resources/better-than-bleach-use-calcium-hypochlorite-to-disinfect-water_19062010/


6 posted on 04/09/2012 4:31:30 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: Kartographer

Vinegar is a good disinfectant. That is what the old timers used to use, or whiskey.


7 posted on 04/09/2012 4:34:16 PM PDT by mountainlion (I am voting for Sarah after getting screwed again by the DC Thugs.)
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To: Kartographer

You are a good soul, Kart. Much appreciated!!


8 posted on 04/09/2012 4:36:20 PM PDT by APatientMan (Pick a side)
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To: Kartographer

Water was the first thing I thought about a couple days ago when the electricity went off. No worries, just first thought.


9 posted on 04/09/2012 4:37:13 PM PDT by bgill
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To: Kartographer

Thanks for that!


10 posted on 04/09/2012 4:39:19 PM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Kartographer

How much depends on your health, activity level, number of people, and the weather.

If you don’t have enough you can die.


11 posted on 04/09/2012 4:47:17 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: Kartographer

Curious, and maybe you know - what’s the usual “shelf life” of the typical supermarket supplied bottled waters, like a “Poland Springs” brand.

I filter my tap water, for consumption, but have been doing so just for immediate and short-term use.

Thanks for any ideas.


12 posted on 04/09/2012 4:53:35 PM PDT by Wuli
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To: Kartographer

Does it need to be 78% hypochlorite? (Hard to find)


13 posted on 04/09/2012 4:57:01 PM PDT by goodnesswins (2012..."We mutually pledge our Lives, our Fortunes, and our Sacred Honor")
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To: Wuli
Recently bought bottled 1 gal. spring water at a local grocery with expiration date of 7/14
14 posted on 04/09/2012 4:57:28 PM PDT by opentalk
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To: Kartographer
After the 1989 quake I became quite aware that water was essential. Accounts of the ‘06 quake made passing mention of the fact that water quickly became worth its weight in gold. Food is good but water is better at least at first. I live in SF and the local government,such as it is, subsidizes rainwater catchment systems from the roof runoff. Couple that with a few 55 gallon barrels for drinking, plus assorted fluids we have stored already and a water pasteurizer and filters we are probably set for 2 month at least. I think my in-laws think I am a bit unhinged but I smile and nod. :~)
15 posted on 04/09/2012 5:00:31 PM PDT by Polynikes (Hakkaa Palle)
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To: opentalk; Wuli

Think about it - it’s WATER, for cryin’ out loud.. There’s nothing to ‘go bad’ in it, and as long as the container stays sealed, no bacteria or other nasties can get in to grow.... (And if they do, a bit of boiling settles their hash quite handily... ;))

“Expiration Dates” on water are nothing more than a marketing ploy...


16 posted on 04/09/2012 5:04:37 PM PDT by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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To: Wuli

If it remains sealed it will last for years. But a bit of FIFO never hurts.


17 posted on 04/09/2012 5:08:53 PM PDT by Lurker (The avalanche has begun. The pebbles no longer have a vote.)
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To: Vendome

What has been your experience with the Lifesaver straw? I’ve read complaints about the seating of the seal.


18 posted on 04/09/2012 5:12:12 PM PDT by tbw2
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To: Wuli

If you keep it in a cool and dark area, and it’s airtight, it’s good for 2-3yrs. But I have some bleach and pool-shock just in case.

I also have 8 wells on the Farm; 2 are nearby hand-pumpers. I also have 2 diesel gens and 3x1,000gal underground fuel tanks.

The floor under our expanded 40’x20’ Family ‘Safe Unit’ is 3ft deep and stockpiled w/ food, many kinds of supplies & lots of bottled water as back-up to the wells.

http://www.atlassurvivalshelters.com/


19 posted on 04/09/2012 5:13:32 PM PDT by carriage_hill (I'd vote for a "orange juice can", before 0bummer&HisRegimeFromHell, gets another 4yrs. Can-> later.)
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To: Kartographer

Enough water is never a problem in Michigan. Purification is always an issue but scarcity is never a problem.


20 posted on 04/09/2012 5:22:53 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Uncle Ike
Think about it - it’s WATER, for cryin’ out loud.. There’s nothing to ‘go bad’ in it, and as long as the container stays sealed, no bacteria or other nasties can get in to grow.... (And if they do, a bit of boiling settles their hash quite handily... ;)) “Expiration Dates” on water are nothing more than a marketing ploy...

LOL! You would think those on a "prepper" thread would be a bit more aware...

21 posted on 04/09/2012 5:29:46 PM PDT by raybbr (People who still support Obama are either a Marxist or a moron.)
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To: Uncle Ike; cripplecreek

Actually, bad water will kill you faster than no water.

What container?

See, this is one of those instances, where one freeper looks out the window, and says, “Hey, it’s raining...”

And another freeper looks out the window, and says, “What are you talking about? We are having a drought.”


22 posted on 04/09/2012 5:33:25 PM PDT by patton (DateDiff)
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To: patton

That’s why I mentioned that purification as an issue.

However, considering all the unpurified water I’ve managed to ingest locally over the years, I’m probably OK as long as I don’t rely on it for survival.


23 posted on 04/09/2012 5:41:26 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: patton

That’s why I mentioned that purification as an issue.

However, considering all the unpurified water I’ve managed to ingest locally over the years, I’m probably OK as long as I don’t rely on it for survival.


24 posted on 04/09/2012 5:42:00 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: cripplecreek

Lol. Just remember both of my boys have pissed in that creek.

Actually, it took us years to teach the younger one not to piss on a tree, when we moved back to VA.

Funny.


25 posted on 04/09/2012 5:45:00 PM PDT by patton (DateDiff)
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To: patton

” Actually, bad water will kill you faster than no water. “

There’s a broad spectrum of what can be considered ‘bad’ water —

Commercially bottled water can reasonably be relied upon to contain next-to-nothing in the way of heavy metal, chemical, or biological contaminants off-the-shelf.. (Our litigious society has seen to that..) - and stored properly, none of these will be introduced after purchase...

The most likely way for commercially bottled water to ‘go bad’ is for bacteria and such to sneak in through a poorly sealed container, and that requires mere boiling to restore it to potability..

When in doubt - boil....


26 posted on 04/09/2012 5:48:40 PM PDT by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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To: Uncle Ike

There was a court case, years ago ...

“What is bottled water?” It is water, in a bottle.

It came up because some entreprenour in NYC was bottling NYC tapwater, and selling it as bottled water.

He won. It was water, in a bottle.

(As an aside, NYC tapwater is about the purist water on the planet.)

If you leave water to sit in my AO, you will get leptosprirosis, or some such. Sitting water - bad.

Go get fresh water out of the river.


27 posted on 04/09/2012 5:55:00 PM PDT by patton (DateDiff)
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To: patton; Uncle Ike; cripplecreek

Bottled water isn’t sterile. In some cases it was filled directly from a municipal water source.


28 posted on 04/09/2012 5:59:51 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

” Bottled water isn’t sterile. In some cases it was filled directly from a municipal water source. “

So your point is that ‘municipal water’ isn’t safe to drink or store?? A lot of our city-dwelling bretheren will be real disappointed by this ‘news’..

For the record, the original question I answered was about the storability of store-bought bottled water beyond ‘expiration date’, and I stand by my answer - but I don’t have a personal dog in the fight, as I have a sweetwater well on my property, and another well with windmill pump within walking distance, so the subject, for me, is pretty academic....


29 posted on 04/09/2012 6:06:54 PM PDT by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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To: Kartographer

Water is not the problem. There are adequate amounts of water even in the desert. What is important is *potable* water.

This means filtration and sanitation. Most commercial water filters are inadequate, having just carbon filters. One of the best is the Zerowater filter, which gets most pathogens, metals and semi-metals (like arsenic), and importantly, radiological contaminants. It is about the same purity level as reverse osmosis.

Even then, there are two important add-ons. One is a UV sanitizing light, and the other is ParaMicrocidin (grapefruit seed extract), which is an extremely potent, but non-toxic antibacterial, antiviral, and antifungal agent.


30 posted on 04/09/2012 6:07:52 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("It is already like a government job," he said, "but with goats." -- Iranian goat smuggler)
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To: Uncle Ike

“So your point is that ‘municipal water’ isn’t safe to drink or store?? A lot of our city-dwelling bretheren will be real disappointed by this ‘news’..”

No, my point is that its not sterile. It has numerous living organisms in it already. Some have been killed by the chemicals they put in, some haven’t.

My answer was purely academic as well, intended to provide information which may keep people from poisoning themselves.


31 posted on 04/09/2012 6:15:11 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: goodnesswins

Try a pool supply house, that’s your best bet. You would have to adjust the mix accordingly if you use something weaker.


32 posted on 04/09/2012 6:19:07 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: driftdiver

” intended to provide information which may keep people from poisoning themselves. “

I appreciate that, FRiend, and agree with the sentiment - tempered by the belief that germophobic paranoia can kill, also..

The human body is not the ‘fragile organism’ that marketers of ‘solutions-sans-problems’ would have us believe.... (I offer in evidence the side discussion in this thread about the ‘dangers’ of a couple of boys peein’ in the stream.. ;))


33 posted on 04/09/2012 6:23:50 PM PDT by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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To: driftdiver; Uncle Ike; cripplecreek; Kartographer

You know, our city water comes right out of the river - they run it thru charcaol, add chlorine, and a bit of flouride.

Been drinking it all my life, why stop now?


34 posted on 04/09/2012 6:28:31 PM PDT by patton (DateDiff)
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To: Wuli

The problem with bottled water is the bottle: it degrades over time and is made to be landfill firendly, not long term storage friendly. Expect leaks.


35 posted on 04/09/2012 6:30:59 PM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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To: Uncle Ike

Hey, now. Thems MY boys.

LOL.


36 posted on 04/09/2012 6:31:36 PM PDT by patton (DateDiff)
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To: goodnesswins
Does it need to be 78% hypochlorite? (Hard to find)

You can get it here.

You can use the standard pool shock. Just calculate the equivalent percentage for the mix. I believe standard pool shock is 64%, hence you will have to increase the amount by about 20% for your bleach mix.

Storing pool shock requires some precautions. It will corrode anything surrounding it. I keep mine in canning jars with plastic ball lids. I also duct tape the lid in addition to be sure. The pool shock stores well in a cool, dry and dark location.
37 posted on 04/09/2012 6:34:51 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Time to beat the swords of government tyranny into the plowshares of freedom.)
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To: patton

Mine comes out of my well.


38 posted on 04/09/2012 6:35:01 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: patton; Uncle Ike; cripplecreek; Kartographer

I once saw a broken water main. It was half full of the nastiest looking gunk you’ve ever seen.

Go take a plastic bottle fill it up and sit it on the shelf for a year. See what its like then.

Even the emergency water rations have a expiration date on them. And they are sterile water in a mylar based container.

But yer right, don’t let reality or science change your mind. Keep in mind that when you get sick from bad water you will probably die.


39 posted on 04/09/2012 6:36:48 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: ctdonath2

Don’t bother trying to talk sense.


40 posted on 04/09/2012 6:38:02 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: cripplecreek

LOLOL - been there, done that. I love MI, but I bet you can smell the sulfur.

If you can’t, you are drawing from Lake MI.

Which means you need an electric pump.


41 posted on 04/09/2012 6:38:24 PM PDT by patton (DateDiff)
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To: driftdiver

City water is the worst.


42 posted on 04/09/2012 6:38:43 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: Uncle Ike

I’m done with you all, go drink whatever the hell you want.


43 posted on 04/09/2012 6:40:26 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: patton

I’m well inland from the lakes here in the Irish Hills.


44 posted on 04/09/2012 6:41:01 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: driftdiver

Are you talking to the right person? I think I got from science.

Like I said, one doesn’t store water in my AO.

That will kill you.


45 posted on 04/09/2012 6:43:45 PM PDT by patton (DateDiff)
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To: cripplecreek

Here in the Tampa area they estimate that 10% of the water leaving the water plant is lost before it gets to the consumer. Lost through leaking water mains.

How much nastiness gets in through the breaks?


46 posted on 04/09/2012 6:46:50 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver; cripplecreek

I am soooo confused...

What the heck just happened?


47 posted on 04/09/2012 6:48:16 PM PDT by patton (DateDiff)
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To: patton

I don’t know.

Must be something in the water.


48 posted on 04/09/2012 6:49:55 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: cripplecreek

Two water tables ~ 35 feet, accessed with a mechanichal (hand) pump.

About ~700 feet, needs electrical pump.

Top one is full of sulfur.

Bottom one is from Lake MI.


49 posted on 04/09/2012 6:51:29 PM PDT by patton (DateDiff)
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To: driftdiver
How much nastiness gets in through the breaks?

I had a friend who worked at a city water treatment plant. He said the water leaving the plant was OK for drinking but nasty. However he said he wouldn't consider drinking it after a few blocks.
50 posted on 04/09/2012 6:53:41 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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