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How Much Water Is Enough?
Modern Survival Blog ^ | 4/9/12 | Ken

Posted on 04/09/2012 4:19:37 PM PDT by Kartographer

If you like food as much as I do, it’s hard to imagine that our body can actually go weeks without food. It wouldn’t be fun, of course, but it can be done. But without water, our bodies can get into serious trouble quickly – just a matter of days before dehydration can set in. So why is it that many people keep lots of extra food stored in their houses, but neglect to store any water?

This subject came to mind recently when my cousin told me about having to endure a power outage with no drinkable water. Since power outages often impact water treatment facilities, tap water can be unsafe for drinking. The situation was made worse by the fact that her child had vomiting and diarrhea, which meant that there was an even greater need for drinking water, as well as water for cleaning, sanitation and hand washing.

For instance, a mixture of water and chlorine bleach would have greatly assisted in sanitizing around her child, helping to ensure that others didn’t also get sick. And obviously, you wouldn’t want to clean up after such a mess without being able to thoroughly wash your hands. (As a dad, I know that’s NOT fun!) Finally, water for food preparation is a supply you’ll need over and above what you plan to drink.

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To: Uncle Ike
Think about it - it’s WATER, for cryin’ out loud.. There’s nothing to ‘go bad’ in it, and as long as the container stays sealed, no bacteria or other nasties can get in to grow.... (And if they do, a bit of boiling settles their hash quite handily... ;)) “Expiration Dates” on water are nothing more than a marketing ploy...

LOL! You would think those on a "prepper" thread would be a bit more aware...

21 posted on 04/09/2012 5:29:46 PM PDT by raybbr (People who still support Obama are either a Marxist or a moron.)
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To: Uncle Ike; cripplecreek

Actually, bad water will kill you faster than no water.

What container?

See, this is one of those instances, where one freeper looks out the window, and says, “Hey, it’s raining...”

And another freeper looks out the window, and says, “What are you talking about? We are having a drought.”


22 posted on 04/09/2012 5:33:25 PM PDT by patton (DateDiff)
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To: patton

That’s why I mentioned that purification as an issue.

However, considering all the unpurified water I’ve managed to ingest locally over the years, I’m probably OK as long as I don’t rely on it for survival.


23 posted on 04/09/2012 5:41:26 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: patton

That’s why I mentioned that purification as an issue.

However, considering all the unpurified water I’ve managed to ingest locally over the years, I’m probably OK as long as I don’t rely on it for survival.


24 posted on 04/09/2012 5:42:00 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: cripplecreek

Lol. Just remember both of my boys have pissed in that creek.

Actually, it took us years to teach the younger one not to piss on a tree, when we moved back to VA.

Funny.


25 posted on 04/09/2012 5:45:00 PM PDT by patton (DateDiff)
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To: patton

” Actually, bad water will kill you faster than no water. “

There’s a broad spectrum of what can be considered ‘bad’ water —

Commercially bottled water can reasonably be relied upon to contain next-to-nothing in the way of heavy metal, chemical, or biological contaminants off-the-shelf.. (Our litigious society has seen to that..) - and stored properly, none of these will be introduced after purchase...

The most likely way for commercially bottled water to ‘go bad’ is for bacteria and such to sneak in through a poorly sealed container, and that requires mere boiling to restore it to potability..

When in doubt - boil....


26 posted on 04/09/2012 5:48:40 PM PDT by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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To: Uncle Ike

There was a court case, years ago ...

“What is bottled water?” It is water, in a bottle.

It came up because some entreprenour in NYC was bottling NYC tapwater, and selling it as bottled water.

He won. It was water, in a bottle.

(As an aside, NYC tapwater is about the purist water on the planet.)

If you leave water to sit in my AO, you will get leptosprirosis, or some such. Sitting water - bad.

Go get fresh water out of the river.


27 posted on 04/09/2012 5:55:00 PM PDT by patton (DateDiff)
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To: patton; Uncle Ike; cripplecreek

Bottled water isn’t sterile. In some cases it was filled directly from a municipal water source.


28 posted on 04/09/2012 5:59:51 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: driftdiver

” Bottled water isn’t sterile. In some cases it was filled directly from a municipal water source. “

So your point is that ‘municipal water’ isn’t safe to drink or store?? A lot of our city-dwelling bretheren will be real disappointed by this ‘news’..

For the record, the original question I answered was about the storability of store-bought bottled water beyond ‘expiration date’, and I stand by my answer - but I don’t have a personal dog in the fight, as I have a sweetwater well on my property, and another well with windmill pump within walking distance, so the subject, for me, is pretty academic....


29 posted on 04/09/2012 6:06:54 PM PDT by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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To: Kartographer

Water is not the problem. There are adequate amounts of water even in the desert. What is important is *potable* water.

This means filtration and sanitation. Most commercial water filters are inadequate, having just carbon filters. One of the best is the Zerowater filter, which gets most pathogens, metals and semi-metals (like arsenic), and importantly, radiological contaminants. It is about the same purity level as reverse osmosis.

Even then, there are two important add-ons. One is a UV sanitizing light, and the other is ParaMicrocidin (grapefruit seed extract), which is an extremely potent, but non-toxic antibacterial, antiviral, and antifungal agent.


30 posted on 04/09/2012 6:07:52 PM PDT by yefragetuwrabrumuy ("It is already like a government job," he said, "but with goats." -- Iranian goat smuggler)
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To: Uncle Ike

“So your point is that ‘municipal water’ isn’t safe to drink or store?? A lot of our city-dwelling bretheren will be real disappointed by this ‘news’..”

No, my point is that its not sterile. It has numerous living organisms in it already. Some have been killed by the chemicals they put in, some haven’t.

My answer was purely academic as well, intended to provide information which may keep people from poisoning themselves.


31 posted on 04/09/2012 6:15:11 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: goodnesswins

Try a pool supply house, that’s your best bet. You would have to adjust the mix accordingly if you use something weaker.


32 posted on 04/09/2012 6:19:07 PM PDT by Kartographer ("We mutually pledge to each other our lives, our fortunes and our sacred honor.")
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To: driftdiver

” intended to provide information which may keep people from poisoning themselves. “

I appreciate that, FRiend, and agree with the sentiment - tempered by the belief that germophobic paranoia can kill, also..

The human body is not the ‘fragile organism’ that marketers of ‘solutions-sans-problems’ would have us believe.... (I offer in evidence the side discussion in this thread about the ‘dangers’ of a couple of boys peein’ in the stream.. ;))


33 posted on 04/09/2012 6:23:50 PM PDT by Uncle Ike (Rope is cheap, and there are lots of trees...)
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To: driftdiver; Uncle Ike; cripplecreek; Kartographer

You know, our city water comes right out of the river - they run it thru charcaol, add chlorine, and a bit of flouride.

Been drinking it all my life, why stop now?


34 posted on 04/09/2012 6:28:31 PM PDT by patton (DateDiff)
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To: Wuli

The problem with bottled water is the bottle: it degrades over time and is made to be landfill firendly, not long term storage friendly. Expect leaks.


35 posted on 04/09/2012 6:30:59 PM PDT by ctdonath2 ($1 meals: http://abuckaplate.blogspot.com/)
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To: Uncle Ike

Hey, now. Thems MY boys.

LOL.


36 posted on 04/09/2012 6:31:36 PM PDT by patton (DateDiff)
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To: goodnesswins
Does it need to be 78% hypochlorite? (Hard to find)

You can get it here.

You can use the standard pool shock. Just calculate the equivalent percentage for the mix. I believe standard pool shock is 64%, hence you will have to increase the amount by about 20% for your bleach mix.

Storing pool shock requires some precautions. It will corrode anything surrounding it. I keep mine in canning jars with plastic ball lids. I also duct tape the lid in addition to be sure. The pool shock stores well in a cool, dry and dark location.
37 posted on 04/09/2012 6:34:51 PM PDT by PA Engineer (Time to beat the swords of government tyranny into the plowshares of freedom.)
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To: patton

Mine comes out of my well.


38 posted on 04/09/2012 6:35:01 PM PDT by cripplecreek (What does it profit a man if he gains the whole world but loses his soul?)
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To: patton; Uncle Ike; cripplecreek; Kartographer

I once saw a broken water main. It was half full of the nastiest looking gunk you’ve ever seen.

Go take a plastic bottle fill it up and sit it on the shelf for a year. See what its like then.

Even the emergency water rations have a expiration date on them. And they are sterile water in a mylar based container.

But yer right, don’t let reality or science change your mind. Keep in mind that when you get sick from bad water you will probably die.


39 posted on 04/09/2012 6:36:48 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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To: ctdonath2

Don’t bother trying to talk sense.


40 posted on 04/09/2012 6:38:02 PM PDT by driftdiver (I could eat it raw, but why do that when I have a fire.)
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