Skip to comments.Why Conservatives Should Continue to Oppose Romney after the Nomination (Please provide input)
Posted on 04/10/2012 9:55:58 AM PDT by xzins
The basic reason Romney should be opposed by conservatives is that Romney is not a conservative. More specifically, Romney is the author of the $50 abortion, the originator of the gay marriage license, and the founder of big government-forced health care.
Those 3 are a mix of social and fiscal issues. The conclusion is that Romney is neither a fiscal conservative nor a social conservative. His tenure as governor of Massachusetts proves that point.
Now, as Romney is touted as the “etch-a-sketch” candidate who will shortly begin his tack to the left, principled conservatives will do well to begin listing their reasons for not ever supporting Mitt Romney for anything other than Citizen Mitt.
1. Abortion: Romney is the author of the $50 abortion.
2. Gay Marriage: Romney signed legislation requiring the issuing of gay marriage licenses. Romney has tried to “moderate” his position by becoming pro-gay union....big deal. He once told gay operatives that he was the gay lobby's best hope for getting their agenda into the republican party. (Look at that, too, in terms of abortion and judicial selections.)
3. RomneyCare: Sadly, Mitt thinks it's just fine to have state governments force you to buy health insurance. I suppose he finds the power to do that in the US Constitution. Oh...I remember...the place where the Constitution says “states can force the people to buy things they don't want to buy and enter into contracts they don't want to enter into.”
4. Give notice to the GOP-Establishment: It probably is very wise to shove down their throat what they are trying to shove down ours. They are not the masters of the conservative universe. Allowing them to think they are will simply encourage more of the same in the future. I'm sure the romney-bots and the romney-enablers will want their say about Romney opponents handing the election to Obama, but the manipulation by the GOP-E is what will lead to that.
5. Romney's “Scorched Earth” Campaign: Romney has divided conservatives and seriously weakened voter turnout. His strategy, liberal that he is, was to run ads via his SuperPac pigeonholing the conservative purity of his opponents. That kind of outrageous hypocrisy deserves punishment and not reward.
6. Conservative Resignation to supporting Romney appears to be surrender of conservative principle. The results of that could be far-reaching. It could mean that the republican movement is totally abandoned to the liberal establishment.
7. Judicial Appointments: "Liberty Counsel Action Vice President Matt Barber said Romneys appointments were constitutional living document poster children.
Many of Romneys appointments were not only liberal, not only Democrats, but were radical counter-constitutionalists. How on earth can we expect that, as president, he would be any different? Barber asked rhetorically."
8. Other reasons "Conservatives Should Continue to Oppose Romney after the Nomination" are welcome. Please post them below.
And what, might I ask, does your esteemed intelligence provide as reasoning for this position? I don’t give a damned WHO runs against Obama as long as they can beat him. ANY creature that can walk upright is a better choice than this POS. Any, that is, other than some half-wit with a WAAAAAAAGH, whiney-assed attitude like this. ‘Can’t get my way, I’ll take my ball and go home. Mommy will kiss me’ - sniff, sniff.
So many conservatives ready to sit back and watch Obama get re elected because they didn’t get the candidate they wanted.
do you seriously think any liberal would be worse than a man intent on reshaping the nation into some sharia loving communist hellhole?
I dont quite get those who dont understand that logic.
I have no doubt Romney would be a victory for liberals in a sense. Do you think an Obama win would be a victory for just liberals? Its a victory for muslims. Its a victory for all our enemies today and tomorrow as he disarms us. There aare many more victories involved that i would rather not contemplate.
Polls prove it, too, and have proven it for years:
Conservatives Remain the Largest Ideological Group in U.S.
Overall, the nation has grown more polarized over the past decade
by Lydia SaadPRINCETON, NJ -- Political ideology in the U.S. held steady in 2011, with 40% of Americans continuing to describe their views as conservative, 35% as moderate, and 21% as liberal. This marks the third straight year that conservatives have outnumbered moderates, after more than a decade in which moderates mainly tied or outnumbered conservatives. http://www.gallup.com/poll/152021/Conservatives-Remain-Largest-Ideological-Group.aspx
If the Mitt and Obama fought over the 56% of America that is moderate to liberal, that would leave the 40% of American conservatives with a victory by plurality.
This is why united conservatives could forge a party that would spell the end of the GOP.
So yes, it could be done, with a candidate who is not a wacko. Given the amount of resentment out there, and not just among self-described "conservative Republicans," a real alternative to both Romney and Obama could easily step in and have a real chance of winning.
Clue55: Exactly the corrent answer !!
So, whats the alternative? Obama? Dont think so.
Lets not play games. I could write in Palin and be happy but i know the result is not about me being happy but whats best for the nation. Any protest vote is tantamount to A: voting for Obama or B: staying home. Those 2 actions are interchangeable. any vote to make oneself feel good is not the vote of a conservative. Its surely not the act of a patriot. we have a man bent on destroying,fundamentally changing as he put it,us. our lives. our way of life.
I would rather be beaten and be a man than to be elected and be a little puppy dog. I have always supported measures and principles and not men. I have acted fearless[ly] and independent and I never will regret my course. I would rather be politically buried than to be hypocritically immortalized.
-- Davy Crockett
God save us from the little puppy dogs of the Republican Party.
You forgot the wise latina and the Lou Costello look alike.
“Still sounds like you’re suggesting I vote for the demise of our republic as the alternative.”
You’re voting for the quickest demise of our republic, no matter how noble you think you are.
Thank you. I heartily concur. Our only choice is between a disaster of a Democrat or a disaster of a Republican. Let the Democrats have the disaster.
“This is why united conservatives could forge a party that would spell the end of the GOP.”
LOL - yeah, there’s been SO much unanimity here on FR.
Not so. See post #105
1. The other races on the ballot. Putting conservatives in office if fairly easy at the House level, and not impossible at the state level. Divided government cures a lot of ills.
2. Post #105 proves that a conservative alternative is truly viable. One doesn't just "protest vote". One votes for a 3rd party candidate who is trying to win. That will: (1) lead to a win, or (2) show the strength of the opposition to those who otherwise would have had that conservative support had they decided "libs gone wild" was their plan for the year.
Not so. See post #105
1. The other races on the ballot. Putting conservatives in office if fairly easy at the House level, and not correction: see below the word "not"
impossible at the state level. Divided government cures a lot of ills.
2. Post #105 proves that a conservative alternative is truly viable. One doesn't just "protest vote". One votes for a 3rd party candidate who is trying to win. That will: (1) lead to a win, or (2) show the strength of the opposition to those who otherwise would have had that conservative support had they NOT decided "libs gone wild" was their plan for the year.
I too have seen that poll. Lets put that in context then. Since there is no time whatsoever to make a new party,to organize 40% of the electorate behind another candidate all we would be doing at this point in time is putting a man with no interests of mine in his heart back into office.
a 3rd party? I’ve wanted one since the 1970’s. By all means go ahead and start the work today for 2016. You will need that much time and more. Today? Not happening. and as i have said to you in a few posts by now i am not putting that person back in office.
“You forgot the wise latina and the Lou Costello look alike.”
Good point. There are so many things that a Republican Congress is supposed to “hinder” Obama about (which provides justification by some for keeping him in office) that it’s almost impossible to keep track. It’s not hard to look at the track record to date to see that thinking Congress would slow him down in a second term is laughable.
You're voting for the surest demise of our republic, no matter how pragmatic you think you are.
I guess you will have to mind your vote and I will mind mine. Derision from Romney supporters is not going to persuade me to change my position on this.
“Derision from Romney supporters is not going to persuade me to change my position on this.”
I’m not a Romney supporter in the least, except vs. Obama. Too bad you’re on the other team. I hope you both lose.
These conservatives permitted Kagan and Sotomeyor on the Supreme court.
They have thus far tolerated illegal recess appointments.
I hope we sweep down ticket. Of course i do or i would not be here nor would i be arguing so passionately (all the while at work).
Fact is as i have said in 100 posts not on this thread this was an awful crop of candidates. I was not going to be happy with any of them. At no time however did the thought of not voting to win,to beat Obama cross my mind. It has not now nor shall it.
Which is not an argument for supporting Romney...
People, I am a true conservative, probably more extreme than most people, but no matter how bad Romney is, we all need to somehow vote for him if he is the nominee. There is NO WAY I can stand Obutthole any longer. He needs to go no matter what! There is NO WAY I am going to take another 4 yrs of that A__Hole! I will be moving from the US if he does!!!
In eight of them I voted against a candidate. In 1980 and 1984 I voted for Regan.
Lets not lose sight of the alternative - Obama and everything he still wants to do.
Given my choice of two poor candidates I will vote against the greater threat to the Republic.
I had no favored horse in this race. From the start, the entire field has been lackluster, despite some possessing genuine conservative positions.
Because I'm in California, my chance to cast a vote for a conservative candidate...any conservative candidate...dwindles to nothing by the time the primary comes around. It happened in 2008. It is much worse in 2012. Now, I'm expected to go along with a proven liberal as the alternative to Obama.
I'm going to the polls, but I will not cast my vote for another liberal.
Look me in the eye and say, "Romney is a true-blue conservative, xzins."
Then I'll believe your heart is in this.
I’m 57 and within days of the say birth date as Sotomayor. The fact is long after i’m retired she will be demonstrating her ignorance on the Supreme court. I might be 80 and on my deathbed and she may still be there being wrong as often as she can. These appointments,there are no do overs. we’re stuck not just for their lives but ours.
Given the present choices, I believe we all will in the long run.
Oh, yeah, and don't forget to not vote for any Republican for either of the houses of Congress! We don't want to be racist and not give Obama all the help he needs!
God, this place is like a kindergarten!
“Which is not an argument for supporting Romney...”
No, it’s an argument against your statement that “This is why united conservatives could forge a party that would spell the end of the GOP” (i.e., your de facto argument in support of Obama’s re-election). By 2016? Maybe. In the next 6 months? Not even remotely realistic.
If Romney wins the nomination, I'll be so mad that I won't just stay home or vote for some nobody, I'll vote for Obama!
Take that you Rinos!! (sarc)
I don’t need to say Romney is a conservative. I’ve never once believed he was. I never once have said he is.
Our difference is you’re willing to accept 4 more years and i most assuredly am not.
what you suggest,that i look you in the eye and say Romney is conservative,where did that come from? I need to argue he’s a conservative to justify my voting for him?
I'm with you, Jagdgewehr.
Nope. For me to know your heart is in it. It is a disheartened appeal to vote for Romney. I know demoralized and dispirited when I see it.
Amen that! The "Screw voting - I'm going to hold my breath until I turn blue" posters are absolutely moronic.
again. At what point was i happy voting FOR Romney. Never said i was voting for him but always against Obama. I think that would be pretty clear by now.
Santorum suspends his campaign. On the tape.
Three words, sir.
He’s. A. Liberal.
That’s enough for me to find someone else.
We are not alone:
McCain was at least pro-life and a war hero. But I didnt vote for him, I voted for Sarah. I will not pull the lever for the abortionist/socialist big government RINO Romney. And I dont care who he selects as a running mate. Never again.
143 posted on Thursday, April 05, 2012 3:46:15 PM by Jim Robinson
Rebellion is not just brewing, rebellion is here!!)
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You would have to think your way through it, but there is a means for a solid conservative to make a legitimate run for the presidency this cycle.
At this point, I will probably hope for a miracle for Newt, but my fallback position is the Constitution Party. They are already on the ballot here in Ohio, and they’ve served notice in the state attorney race that they can get hundreds of thousands of votes.
If Romney is the GOP nominee, I will resign my precinct chair position, I will change my party affiliation and I will write an open letter to explain why. I will probably switch to the Constitution Party.
See my post #141
I voted for him. He was making noise,testing the waters for quite a long time before entering. He was also one of the richest men in the nation at the time. This idea that someone new can come in,you understand that the way campaigns are run today that the possible field is only the very wealthiest individuals?
Pleased do not say that publicity hound Trump. don’t even go there.
When push comes to shove (Romney as the nominee), I don’t know what I will do as of today. I don’t know why we believe that Obama will be re-elected or even if he will still be in politics in November or on his way out the door anyway. (I base re-election doubts on stuff I read on kos when I was trying find out what was going on with the occupy stuff last Fall. From the look of it, some of them have doubts) Then, there’s F&F, Solyndra...Lord Knows what else, that could take hold.
Look around on the internet. People don’t like or trust this guy & are claiming that they will *not* vote for him. We have four months to convince the RNC to back it off. Give them second thoughts.
To be honest, we’re not doing enough, en masse.
Remember when they tried to pass amnesty for illegals about 2007? The switchboard got shutdown in DC. It’s true we’re in a different time, otherwise 0Care never would have passed (that was republicans, independents, AND quite a few democrats raising cane)
But we need to at least try & get organized- petitions, phone calls, emails, letters to the editor, each on a given day or couple of days. People have lined the streets in support of Life.
There needs to be a clear message that cannot be skewed the way polls- and primaries/ caucuses can be.
(just a thought)
If I had my way I would replace 80% of those in Washington - elected and appointed. But every day Obamna is in power stirring up class warfare, appointing Marxists to czarships, Federal judgeship’s, and other Federal posts, working to undermine the Republic, is a day my country gets worse - not better.
Romney is not the solution. But at least he is not actively seeking the destruction of my country with malice and forethought.
Those seem like principled reasons to me, Wm.
Rebellion is necessary. JR is right.
Good ideas, KG. Express total repudiation of their direction and their nominee, and they’ll do something. Probably try to sell us the Brooklyn Bridge, but at least we’d have more evidence that they are lying power hungry elitists.
“Not sure how well that strategy would turn out for us.”
Hey, I’m dancing as fast as I can!
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