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Why Conservatives Should Continue to Oppose Romney after the Nomination (Please provide input)
Bloggers & Personal ^ | 10 Apr 12 | Xzins

Posted on 04/10/2012 9:55:58 AM PDT by xzins

The basic reason Romney should be opposed by conservatives is that Romney is not a conservative. More specifically, Romney is the author of the $50 abortion, the originator of the gay marriage license, and the founder of big government-forced health care.

Those 3 are a mix of social and fiscal issues. The conclusion is that Romney is neither a fiscal conservative nor a social conservative. His tenure as governor of Massachusetts proves that point.

Now, as Romney is touted as the “etch-a-sketch” candidate who will shortly begin his tack to the left, principled conservatives will do well to begin listing their reasons for not ever supporting Mitt Romney for anything other than Citizen Mitt.

1. Abortion: Romney is the author of the $50 abortion.

2. Gay Marriage: Romney signed legislation requiring the issuing of gay marriage licenses. Romney has tried to “moderate” his position by becoming pro-gay union....big deal. He once told gay operatives that he was the gay lobby's best hope for getting their agenda into the republican party. (Look at that, too, in terms of abortion and judicial selections.)

3. RomneyCare: Sadly, Mitt thinks it's just fine to have state governments force you to buy health insurance. I suppose he finds the power to do that in the US Constitution. Oh...I remember...the place where the Constitution says “states can force the people to buy things they don't want to buy and enter into contracts they don't want to enter into.”

4. Give notice to the GOP-Establishment: It probably is very wise to shove down their throat what they are trying to shove down ours. They are not the masters of the conservative universe. Allowing them to think they are will simply encourage more of the same in the future. I'm sure the romney-bots and the romney-enablers will want their say about Romney opponents handing the election to Obama, but the manipulation by the GOP-E is what will lead to that.

5. Romney's “Scorched Earth” Campaign: Romney has divided conservatives and seriously weakened voter turnout. His strategy, liberal that he is, was to run ads via his SuperPac pigeonholing the conservative purity of his opponents. That kind of outrageous hypocrisy deserves punishment and not reward.

6. Conservative Resignation to supporting Romney appears to be surrender of conservative principle. The results of that could be far-reaching. It could mean that the republican movement is totally abandoned to the liberal establishment.

7. Judicial Appointments: "Liberty Counsel Action Vice President Matt Barber said Romney’s appointments were constitutional “living document” poster children.

“Many of Romney’s appointments were not only liberal, not only Democrats, but were radical counter-constitutionalists. How on earth can we expect that, as president, he would be any different?” Barber asked rhetorically."

8. Other reasons "Conservatives Should Continue to Oppose Romney after the Nomination" are welcome. Please post them below.


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To: Yashcheritsiy

In a less dangerous time we could afford to be a little more stubborn.
Fact is, I have a problem with ALL of the candidates, however I am not so stubborn that I will sit this one out.
The man currently leading our country wants to destroy Christians and white people, it’s that simple.


51 posted on 04/10/2012 10:25:23 AM PDT by Maverick68
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To: xzins
There is an arsonist pouring gasoline on your house and lighting matches. But you say you don't want to call the fire department because their firetrucks aren't as good as you like.

Obama vs. Pol Pot or Joseph Stalin would be a tough decision. Obama vs. Romney is not. It is like a choice between your child getting incurable cancer or a bad cold.

52 posted on 04/10/2012 10:26:29 AM PDT by detective
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To: xzins

That’s right keep doing that and you guarantee another Obama term...this means disaster for the US.

Conservatives need to do two things:

1) Do EVERYTHING they can to elect conservatives to the House and Senate
2) Do EVERYTHING they can to make sure Obama is a one term president


53 posted on 04/10/2012 10:26:34 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: xzins
Would you rather have Dear leader Kim Jung O?
54 posted on 04/10/2012 10:26:46 AM PDT by NakedRampage (Puttin' the "stud" in Bible study)
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To: PhiloBedo
Your logic is very flawed.

Someday we will all be dead.

Is that fact any reason to hasten that day, for all of us?

There is absolutely no evidence to indicate that the Conservative movement will EVER be united, behind anyone.

Look at the nasty attacks between the Gingrich and Santorum camps, right here on FR!

I prefer to prolong my “life” as I know it, as long as possible.

I do not wish the quick SUICIDE of Obama!

55 posted on 04/10/2012 10:26:46 AM PDT by Kansas58
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To: DC Ripper
Personally, people like you make me sick.

We're all over Free Republic, a CONSERVATIVE site.

The real question is "What are you doing here?"

56 posted on 04/10/2012 10:26:59 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray Continued Victory for our Troops Still in Afghan!)
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To: xzins
So many conservatives are so ready to vote a liberal into office.

Sickening.

57 posted on 04/10/2012 10:26:59 AM PDT by Jagdgewehr (It will take blood)
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To: xzins

If the GOP takes the Senate and maintains the House and Romney is president, the Senate and House will move quickly on left leaning legislation because that’s what Romney will want. If Obama is president and the Senate and House are GOP then the GOP will put up some meek token opposition. If Romney wins and the Senate and House are Dim, Romney will do a lot of reach out and we’ll get more progressive crap too.

We’re screwed.


58 posted on 04/10/2012 10:27:28 AM PDT by NewHampshireDuo
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To: MtnMan101

U sound like you will get what you deserve.


59 posted on 04/10/2012 10:28:08 AM PDT by TheGunny
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To: MtnMan101

and when they came for me....

nice way to pull the trigger of the gun pointed at your head


60 posted on 04/10/2012 10:28:08 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: Yashcheritsiy

With all due respect, this is a guarantee to reelect Obummer. I will vote for whomever runs against him.
I refuse to cut off my nose to spite my face.


61 posted on 04/10/2012 10:28:44 AM PDT by arjay (NOMOBAMA)
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To: DeweyShootem

mcromney is a white fubo with an r after his name... the destruction will be the same, and if it is going to hell in a handbasket, let it be with a guy that has a d after his name....

wanna save the country? It is easy. Just say NO to socialism, in all it’s forms, regardless of the letter that follows the name.

This is not suicide. This is not a wasted vote. It is direct ACTION against socialism. PERIOD.

wanna make up crap and call names, fine. Go ahead. My tagline says everything.

Make a stand!!!! Let the socialists know that you will not sign off on their agenda!!!! This is EXACTLY what the forefathers of this country did. It will be painful, bit it is necessary.

If you support mcromney for any reason, you are a socialist, period.If you support santorum, you are a socialist, period.

I am NOT a socialist, my name will not be counted among those that vote for and/or support socialism. What say you?


62 posted on 04/10/2012 10:30:31 AM PDT by joe fonebone (If you vote for the lesser of two evils, you are still voting for evil.)
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To: Kansas58
If Obama wins IT WILL BE A LIBERAL VICTORY!

If Romney wins, IT WILL BE A LIBERAL VICTORY too. Only this time, the liberal will have an R behind his name.

63 posted on 04/10/2012 10:30:58 AM PDT by CommerceComet (If Mitt can leave the GOP to protest Reagan, why can't I do the same in protest of Romney?)
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To: Kansas58
If Obama wins IT WILL BE A LIBERAL VICTORY!

If Romney wins, IT WILL BE A LIBERAL VICTORY too. Only this time, the liberal will have an R behind his name.

64 posted on 04/10/2012 10:31:36 AM PDT by CommerceComet (If Mitt can leave the GOP to protest Reagan, why can't I do the same in protest of Romney?)
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To: NewHampshireDuo

Basically, to keep divided government we need to maintain about 43-45 republicans in the Senate, given the rules of the Senate. If Romney gets non-supported, it will serve notice that conservatives aren’t messing around, and those senators will pretty much toe the line.

In terms of the House, maintaining control of the house would ensure divided government.


65 posted on 04/10/2012 10:32:08 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray Continued Victory for our Troops Still in Afghan!)
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To: Yashcheritsiy

It’s done brother, get over it.


66 posted on 04/10/2012 10:32:18 AM PDT by TheGunny
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To: xzins; Jim Robinson
Since you pinged for my input...

Xzins, my advice to you is that asking to have a serious talk with Free Republic's top leadership team would be a very good idea. I have no idea what they will say as far as practical plans, but I do think Free Republic can play a huge role in a post-nomination campaign against Mitt Romney.

For now my focus is on trying to defeat Romney. I believe in miracles and I understand it will take one to defeat him at this point. I also know that hope is not a strategy, and have outlined some viable (if long shot) strategies elsewhere to do that.

What if Romney wins the nomination? Well, it looks like Jim Robinson has been very clear he won't support Romney even then. Free Republic is probably the largest conservative media operation (and yes, it is media) to take that position so far.

Others may be willing to do so — Rush Limbaugh and David Limbaugh are examples — but so far Free Republic is the only prominent organization to take that stance.

Seeing Mitt Romney's money machine unleashed against Free Republic will not be pretty, but I don't think even Romney is powerful enough to take on Limbaugh — and if he does, he's virtually guaranteeing a loss in November. I think any strategy of opposing Mitt Romney from the right after the nomination has to rely on the use of talk media and the internet, and has to be prepared to suffer some devastating attacks not only from the Democrats and RINOs but also from conservative Republicans furious that fellow conservatives are “helping re-elect Obama.”

As for me, I am not prepared to sign onto any “Plan B” today and want to stay focused on trying to defeat Romney so we don't have to face a “Plan B.” I don't want to think about what I may have to do if Romney is the Republican nominee.

67 posted on 04/10/2012 10:32:26 AM PDT by darrellmaurina
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To: xzins
I will vote for the GOP nominee, whoever it is.

Even Santorum or Paul.

We cannot allow Obama to serve another term.

And while I am offended by those who accuse me sometimes of de facto voting for Obama when I threaten to vote 3rd party...I'm offended because of the truth of the accusation.

A vote for anyone besides the GOP is, in fact, a vote for Obama.

68 posted on 04/10/2012 10:32:49 AM PDT by Mariner (War Criminal #18)
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To: erod

Then how do we break this cycle of an RNC-approved Conservative Lite being shoved down our throats every 4 years? I don’t want to go 3rd party either but it seems like every 4 years we enable this.


69 posted on 04/10/2012 10:33:06 AM PDT by mquinn (Obama's supporters: a deliberate drowning of consciousness by means of rhythmic noise)
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To: xzins

Thanks, and you’re right. Romney WON’T win - even if every last FReeper suddenly threw away all pretense at principles and voted for him. The simple fact of the matter is that known “centrist,” liberal Republicans do not win national elections, nor do they win statewide elections in the majority of the states. Someone like Romney might be able to win a statewide race in a state like California or Massachusetts, especially when facing a weak Democrat opponent, but at the national level of the Presidency, this is moot, since Obama WILL TAKE all of the states where Romney is what you could remotely call “popular.”

The evidence for this is manifold - Ford, Bush I in 1992, Dole, McCain. In 2016, we’ll be able to make the same argument and add Romney’s name to the list.

The reason for this is simple - liberal Republicans are weak. They project weakness, and they do not inspire voters to vote for them. Liberal Democrats at least lead their party from their principles, no matter how twisted and disgusting those principles may be. Liberal Republicans, however, are what they are because they *necessarily* are compromisers, deal-cutters, sell-outs, and wishy-washy schmoes. The average voter looks at someone like Romney and thinks, “Nah. If I want a liberal, I’ll just vote for the Democrat.” People like Romney really have nothing to offer to people, leadership and principle-wise.

Reagan won as widely as he did in 1980 and 1984 not so much because of the popularity of his political positions, but because he projected an air of leadership, principle, and strength. He won people over because of the strength of his charactre and principle. Someone like Mitt Romney simply does not have these things, and therefore cannot replicate what Reagan did. A solid conservative who is able to articulate conservative principles, and who can show that they will lead from the front, could do so, winning over even people who only agree with them 50% of the time (i.e. the middle).


70 posted on 04/10/2012 10:33:15 AM PDT by Yashcheritsiy
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To: NakedRampage

Actually, I’d rather have neither Obama or Romney.


71 posted on 04/10/2012 10:34:17 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray Continued Victory for our Troops Still in Afghan!)
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To: arjay
I will vote for whomever runs against him.

I will too. It just won't be Romney.

72 posted on 04/10/2012 10:36:24 AM PDT by Yashcheritsiy
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To: xzins
Romney won’t win.

Thanks for pointing this out. Obama will crush Romney, so the point is moot if Santorum is not nominated. But those on this thread who actually think it will make a difference can fight three times as hard to support Romney in order to make up for those on this thread who are unwilling to go this route, if it means that much to them.

73 posted on 04/10/2012 10:36:34 AM PDT by Elvina (BHO is doubleplus ungood.)
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To: xzins

Whoever wins the nomination fair and square is the only option. We conservatives did not play out our options smartly by splitting our votes on two conservatives over the first half of this primary season. It is counter-productive to fight this thing beyond the primary battle, if our goal is to defeat Obama. If one’s goal is to make a point over defeating Obama, then that’s a priority that is not in tune with mine.


74 posted on 04/10/2012 10:36:44 AM PDT by LibFreeUSA (Pick Your Poison)
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To: taxcontrol
"Better to have Obama that can be opposed in both the House and the Senate on principled issues than to have Romney who really can't be opposed because he will be the de facto party leader."

Maybe if Obama didn't consider himself king that would work. He's been doing whatever he wants via executive orders and directives, so there really isn't any containing him.

Conversely, Romney would probably be easily contained just like we did Bush.

"Also, for the long term GOP direction, the party bosses need to learn that they cant win elections with a RINO."

If they didn't get it with McCain, they never will. The GOPe insistence on Romney is further proof. Sorry to say it, but the only solution here is 3rd party. They see a mass exodus and they'll start making with the red carpet again like 2010 when the Tea Party kicked so much booty.

75 posted on 04/10/2012 10:37:46 AM PDT by moehoward
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To: cblue55

I’m not happy at all he’s the choice but this not support him campaign is only going to get us 4 more years. We can get through 4 years of a liberal Republican but not 4 years of a man intent on remaking the nation in his image.
I’d be hard pressed to name a person i would not support over Obama.


76 posted on 04/10/2012 10:37:55 AM PDT by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: Mariner

Hardly. A vote for Obama is a vote for Obama. A vote for Romney is a vote for Romney. A vote for an alternative candidate is a vote for that candidate.

In America voters are still allowed to vote their principles.

Anyone who votes their principles gets a commendation from me. At least they’re not wishy-washy or dishonest.


77 posted on 04/10/2012 10:39:13 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray Continued Victory for our Troops Still in Afghan!)
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To: xzins

This is stupid, if you go the route of opposing Romney (who I didn’t vote for but will support against Obama) you need to keep your mouth shut the next four years if Obama is elected. It will be bad choices like this that will cause it. Dump your Republican affiliation and go Independent but vote for Romney because if you don’t your as responsible for his supporters for getting him elected.


78 posted on 04/10/2012 10:39:35 AM PDT by shoedog
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To: xzins

The real question is “What are you doing here?”

I’m not here advocating national suicide, like you.

You should be ashamed of yourself. Like I said, if you think we can survive four more years of Obama, you are truly an idiot.

Get lost.


79 posted on 04/10/2012 10:40:26 AM PDT by DC Ripper
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To: SoConPubbie
his 2nd Cousin, the lying, left-wing, Progressive Liberal Mitt Romney.

Exactly. Also, I hope everyone remembers that the fight is not over, and Romney is not the Republican nominee--despite what one may hear on the Today Show or Fox News.

80 posted on 04/10/2012 10:41:02 AM PDT by Elvina (BHO is doubleplus ungood.)
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To: Yashcheritsiy

“Further, a Romney presidency may even be WORSE than a second Obama term. At least with Obama in office, the Republicans have grown a little bit of a spinelet and fought him on some things, and really have served to hinder a lot of what Obama *could* have done.”

You mean like Obamacare, increasing the debt, the New Black Panthers, Fast and Furious, the Muslim Brotherhood, the moratorium on drilling? Yeah, he’s really been hindered. There is NO ONE worse than Obama.


81 posted on 04/10/2012 10:43:01 AM PDT by Magic Fingers (Political correctness mutates in order to remain virulent.)
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To: xzins; Mariner
In America voters are still allowed to vote their principles.

No no no, you MUST vote party over principles!!! C'mon xzins, do what's best for the countryRepublican Party!

82 posted on 04/10/2012 10:43:14 AM PDT by Yashcheritsiy
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To: Elvina

Santorum and Gingrich both had ACU ratings in the 80’s and/or low 90’s. In other words, they were consistently on the side of conservatism.

Romney, who doesn’t have a conservative bone in his body, had his superpac run ads against these conservatives that attacked their conservative lapses. In other words, Santorum & Gingrich were not perfectly pure conservative candidates, but they were destroyed by Romney, a liberal, who attacked their non-conservative moments.

And his attacks were repeated by sheeple in the media and in the communities and on the blogs (even FR) who couldn’t see beyond the end of their noses.

I will NOT allow a liberal to win in such a manner. I will work hard in my congressional district in bellwether Ohio to defeat Mitt Romney and elect whichever conservative is running 3rd party or alternative candidate.


83 posted on 04/10/2012 10:44:55 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray Continued Victory for our Troops Still in Afghan!)
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To: Jagdgewehr

“So many conservatives are so ready to vote a liberal into office. Sickening.”

So many conservatives are so ready to leave a Communist in office. Even more sickening.


84 posted on 04/10/2012 10:45:53 AM PDT by Magic Fingers (Political correctness mutates in order to remain virulent.)
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To: xzins
In America voters are still allowed to vote their principles.

Wow, I can't believe how much abuse you are getting here for this sentiment. Guess the MSM has done its job in getting people to believe that Romney can beat Obama.

85 posted on 04/10/2012 10:46:36 AM PDT by Elvina (BHO is doubleplus ungood.)
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To: xzins

My input is that no matter how you try and shade this you’re an obumbler supporter. Okay? Lets all stay home to prove a point and pay no never mind to the fact we won’t have a country to call our own after 4 more years of the muslim in the white house.
Thats my input. All pieces like this do is help obumbler.


86 posted on 04/10/2012 10:47:41 AM PDT by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: sean327

This place is becoming like the DU. Why would we not get behind Romney. I can only think that most of these posters are frauds and libs.


87 posted on 04/10/2012 10:48:07 AM PDT by angcat (PLEASE GOD SAVE OUR COUNTRY!)
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To: moehoward
If they didn't get it with McCain, they never will. The GOPe insistence on Romney is further proof. Sorry to say it, but the only solution here is 3rd party. They see a mass exodus and they'll start making with the red carpet again like 2010 when the Tea Party kicked so much booty.

Excellent point, Moe.

And there's the potential to replace the 2nd party with that energized 3rd party. It would be nice to have a truly conservative party.

88 posted on 04/10/2012 10:48:32 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray Continued Victory for our Troops Still in Afghan!)
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To: DC Ripper
It's very simple.

You Vote your Candidate in the Primary. You Vote your Party's Candidate in the General. Some people here actually believe that Romney and Obama are one in the same, unreal.

I'll keep pulling for my Candidate Newt, but I only get one Vote. That is the reality. In the General, I either take my Sample Ballot and go home or I show up and Vote for the last man standing. I'm with Levin, Anybody But Obama.

89 posted on 04/10/2012 10:50:08 AM PDT by Kickass Conservative (A day without Obama is like a day without a Tsunami.)
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To: Yashcheritsiy; Elvina

Principle over party....you’d think it were a new concept with some of these folks. Better to respond to attacks with a rational kind post. Sometimes folks realize you’re not trying to hurt them and they back off the personal attacks.

Romney is not a conservative. I am a conservative. I will not support non-conservative Romney.

I don’t quite get those who don’t understand that logic.


90 posted on 04/10/2012 10:52:16 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray Continued Victory for our Troops Still in Afghan!)
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To: Yashcheritsiy

Where? How? In primaries? Do you think conservatives have been voting for Romney in primaries?
Do you mean the election? So conservatives,of which there are seemingly 100 parameters around here vote for a 3rd party? Whats that going to do? Obama wins with 45-30-25?
Sorry. The process is pretty far along. we have what we have. We band together to win,not to lose.


91 posted on 04/10/2012 10:54:48 AM PDT by wiggen (The teacher card. When the racism card just won't work.)
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To: wiggen

Who said anything about staying home????


92 posted on 04/10/2012 10:56:42 AM PDT by xzins (Retired Army Chaplain and Proud of It! Pray Continued Victory for our Troops Still in Afghan!)
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To: taxcontrol

I’ve come to the conclusion that “moderate-rinos” ARE the republican base. You and me are the “fringe”.


93 posted on 04/10/2012 10:57:03 AM PDT by Terry Mross ("It happened. And we let it happen." - Peter Griffin, Family Guy)
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To: xzins
And there's the potential to replace the 2nd party with that energized 3rd party. It would be nice to have a truly conservative party.

I'm up for giving it a go! Time for the GOP to go the route of the Whigs.

What's sadly ironic is that if all of the people saying that this couldn't be done would simply get on board instead of mewling about how it can't be done, it could be done.

94 posted on 04/10/2012 10:57:52 AM PDT by Yashcheritsiy
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To: Magic Fingers
So many conservatives are so ready to leave a Communist in office. Even more sickening.

So, I have to vote for your leftist in order to remove another leftist from office? Still sounds like you're suggesting I vote for the demise of our republic as the alternative.

I will not cast a vote for Romney.

95 posted on 04/10/2012 10:58:02 AM PDT by Jagdgewehr (It will take blood)
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To: Kickass Conservative

Hear, hear. I agree.

I think they just want to brag about how “principled” they are, and how much more conservative than us they fancy themselves to be...

but if your principles hasten the death of America, that gets into “reckless stupidity.”


96 posted on 04/10/2012 10:58:18 AM PDT by DC Ripper
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To: joe fonebone




THANK you!! That is exactly how I feel, and there are many here on FR that feel the same way, but speak up even less than me.
97 posted on 04/10/2012 10:58:39 AM PDT by Bikkuri
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To: angcat; xzins
87 posted on Tue Apr 10 2012 12:48:07 GMT-0500 (Central Daylight Time) by angcat: “This place is becoming like the DU. Why would we not get behind Romney. I can only think that most of these posters are frauds and libs.”

Please be careful with that accusation.

I'm sure there are trolls here trying to cause trouble. I also believe there are people who are convinced that the Republican Party is treating conservatives the way the Democratic Party treats blacks — taking them for granted and ignoring them.

As conservatives, we need to do to do the Republican Party what Barack Obama did to the Democrats — take over the party from the John Edwards and Hillary Clinton establishment candidates despite their pleas that he has a “radical agenda” that can't win general elections.

If that won't work, then I don't know what to do next.

What I do believe is that XZins and others are completely sincere in their view that Romney is going down to defeat this fall if he's nominated, so conservatives might as well make crystal clear to the Republican leadership that they need to stop taking us for granted.

Maybe XZins is right; maybe he's wrong. I do believe he's sincere and not a fraud or a liberal.

98 posted on 04/10/2012 11:01:17 AM PDT by darrellmaurina
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To: xzins
In other words, Santorum & Gingrich were not perfectly pure conservative candidates, but they were destroyed by Romney, a liberal, who attacked their non-conservative moments.

You have hit the nail on the head. When I heard Romney with his own mouth distort Santorum's pro-life record on Neil Cavuto's show, I knew I could never vote for him. He's much worse than McCain. He is willing to outright lie and pretend to be a conservative by lying about true conservatives' records, when he perceives that is what the audience wants to hear. Romney claims to be pro-life, but no true pro-lifer would dare attack a pro-life hero like Rick Santorum in that way. We will have to see what our choices are when the time comes. Santorum still has a chance, so I am putting my eggs in that basket at this point.

99 posted on 04/10/2012 11:01:23 AM PDT by Elvina (BHO is doubleplus ungood.)
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To: CommerceComet

The public won’t see it that way.


100 posted on 04/10/2012 11:01:36 AM PDT by Kansas58
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