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Romney, as Mormon Bishop threatens woman "give up your baby or give up your God"
Examiner ^ | 3/29/12 | Robert Tilford

Posted on 04/13/2012 8:09:22 AM PDT by wolfman23601

Many people know Presidential Mitt Romney as a Republican candidate running for President who likes to complain about President Obama. Many do not see him as a former Mormon Bishop in charge of thousands of Mormon congregants. An investigation based on interviews suggest Romney was pretty radical in his Mormon beliefs. According to a Huffington news report - as a young bishop, Romney got word that Carroll Shelton, a woman in his ward, was considering an abortion. This was Shelton's sixth pregnancy. She was in her 40s, had four teenage children and had developed “medical complications.” As the story goes Shelton’s stake president had already approved the procedure when Bishop Romney arrived at the hospital and “forcefully counseled her against it” (see: Mitt Romney Was A Mormon Bishop Before He Became A Politician. Some say demanded it using the full force of his position as Bishop within the LDS church. Peggie Hayes, a single woman with a child, was in Romney's ward when she became pregnant. She alleges that Romney threatened her with excommunication if she didn't put up the baby for adoption, Boston Globe reporters Michael Kranish and Scott Helman write in their book "The Real Romney." GIVE UP YOUR MORMON GOD "Give up your son,"was the message Hayes said she got from Romney, "or give up your God." “That is a heavy trip to lay on someone” says Pattie Cooper of Charlotte, N.C. “I worry about what he will do when he is President and the Mormons get into the White House…will he do stuff like that?”, she said. Continue reading on Examiner.com Romney, as Mormon Bishop threatens woman "give up your baby or give up your God"

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1 posted on 04/13/2012 8:09:36 AM PDT by wolfman23601
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To: wolfman23601

I thought Romney was pro-abortion.


2 posted on 04/13/2012 8:17:37 AM PDT by CaptainK (...please make it stop. Shake a can of pennies at it.)
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To: CaptainK

To liberals, he was anti-abortion. To conservatives, he was pro-abortion. Basically, Mitt Romney is two-faced. He morphs into anything he wants to, and can be morphed into anything others want him to be.


3 posted on 04/13/2012 8:21:14 AM PDT by sagar
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To: wolfman23601

I don’t care what your position is on Romney as a candidate, this is third-hand unsourced “information” from the Huffington Post. i.e., CRAP!


4 posted on 04/13/2012 8:21:35 AM PDT by jiggyboy (Ten percent of poll respondents are either lying or insane)
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To: wolfman23601

Ok, I’m no fan of Romney, but I’m not seeing anything untoward here. One would expect the same counsel from a Baptist pastor or a Catholic priest.


5 posted on 04/13/2012 8:22:51 AM PDT by ScottinVA (A single drop of American blood for muslims is one drop too many!)
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To: wolfman23601

As Mormon, Mitt dreamed to have seven wives, just like his grand-father.


6 posted on 04/13/2012 8:23:24 AM PDT by Marguerite (When I'm good, I am very, very good. But! When I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: sagar
Mitt Romney is two-faced

Maybe he worships Janus.

7 posted on 04/13/2012 8:23:43 AM PDT by Mikey_1962 (Obama: The Affirmative Action President.)
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To: CaptainK

Romney worships the self-god of chaos.

This story makes perfect sense, because at its root, mromneism makes no sense.


8 posted on 04/13/2012 8:24:28 AM PDT by fishtank (The denial of original sin is the root of liberalism.)
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To: wolfman23601

So what is it? Do you hate mitt because he’s a pro abortion liberal or becasue he’s a pro life Mormon?


9 posted on 04/13/2012 8:25:15 AM PDT by pgkdan (Rick Santorum 2012. Conservative's last, best chance!)
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To: sagar; jiggyboy

Not only that, I thought it was proven here on FR that the mormon religion does NOT condemn abortion. Nothing about this article makes any sense to me. Maybe our conclusion should be that anything on FR about mormons is crap.


10 posted on 04/13/2012 8:26:19 AM PDT by mamelukesabre
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To: ScottinVA

To clarify my point in #5... I interpreted “give up your baby (for adoption)” as “don’t abort.”


11 posted on 04/13/2012 8:26:32 AM PDT by ScottinVA (A single drop of American blood for muslims is one drop too many!)
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To: ScottinVA

You’re missing the point of this character assassination piece. The objective is to paint him as extreme, weird and a guy who hates “modern” women.

Utter crap.


12 posted on 04/13/2012 8:27:11 AM PDT by jimt (Fear is the darkroom where negatives are developed.)
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To: ScottinVA

I can’t speak for the Baptists, but as a Catholic, I have never been threatened with excommunication or damnation over anything, much less a personal decision that may go against a priest’s advise, but not the teaching of the Church.


13 posted on 04/13/2012 8:28:15 AM PDT by wolfman23601
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To: jimt

The MSM will now trot out every negative Mormon report possible. Plus the Rats are already advertising Mitt’s flip flops. He is a total loser for our party. He can’t pull conservatives and he won’t pull independents. He is road kill in the middle.


14 posted on 04/13/2012 8:29:46 AM PDT by Oldexpat
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To: ScottinVA

Nevermind my last point. Abortion is clearly against the Church’s teaching. I am trying to post and work at the same time and got my brain crossed and forgot abortion was the issue.


15 posted on 04/13/2012 8:31:02 AM PDT by wolfman23601
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To: wolfman23601

Obama opposition research in action.

This story follows the “GOP war on women” meme. It’s no coincidence that this comes out after the Ann Romney dustup.


16 posted on 04/13/2012 8:31:16 AM PDT by Tailback
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To: wolfman23601

I came up in Catholic school in the ‘70s, and the church was unapologetically strong vs. abortion, i.e., a “mortal sin.” That said, I haven’t been Catholic for 35 years, so that doctrine has probably changed.


17 posted on 04/13/2012 8:31:16 AM PDT by ScottinVA (A single drop of American blood for muslims is one drop too many!)
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To: jiggyboy

exactly


18 posted on 04/13/2012 8:32:36 AM PDT by Nifster
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To: pgkdan

Frankly, while against abortion, the issue is not a big one for me.


19 posted on 04/13/2012 8:33:57 AM PDT by wolfman23601
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To: jimt
You’re missing the point of this character assassination piece. The objective is to paint him as extreme, weird and a guy who hates “modern” women.

Not at all.. I have no doubt it's an attempted hit piece; I was making my point about how one might expect other church officials to react as well.

20 posted on 04/13/2012 8:34:18 AM PDT by ScottinVA (A single drop of American blood for muslims is one drop too many!)
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To: CaptainK
Yep. The Mormon haters got to have it both ways. He's a pro-life extremist if the audience is wavering Massachussets moderates and, at the same time, he personally performs abortions if the audience is wavering southern Evangelicals.

This article fails the smell tests for two reasons:

  1. Mormon bishops are not in charge of thousands of congrgants. Even hundreds might be a stretch. A bishop is basically a lay leader in charge of a single congregation, i.e. what you can seat in a modest sized church building. I'd guess that to be about 300 tops if the house is packed. If they are like any other denomination, there may be half again that many members on the rolls who never turn up for church unless they are giving away free stuff.

  2. A single lay leader doesn't have sole authority to excommunicate anyone for any reason at the local level. I recall a big national flap over one Sonya Johnson and the equal rights amendment back in the late 1970's. She had to go to a lot of trouble to get excommunicated in order to get a big national soapbox for her moon battery. I doubt that the system has changed much. If it was that easy, I am sure there are a lot of Mormon rank and file who would love to see Harry Reid get excommunicated.

21 posted on 04/13/2012 8:35:01 AM PDT by Vigilanteman (Obama: Fake black man. Fake Messiah. Fake American. How many fakes can you fit in one Zer0?)
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To: ScottinVA

It is not, I believe the story because my friend in high school
who got pregnant was told by her bishop the very same thing. He came to her in the hospital, and said she would not be welcomed back if she did not relinquish the baby for adoption. Her parents reinforced that after talking to that wards bishop.


22 posted on 04/13/2012 8:35:08 AM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: wolfman23601
And here we go .... Get ready from now till Nov the focus will be on Mormanism, abortion, the phoney war on women. ANYTHING to keep the election away from Barry and his record of non-accomplishment.

Romney should answer this with "Yeah that's great, now when you're done with this non-story that supposedly happened in the 70s, we can talk about the true unemployment rate of 16%.". "Ok Ms HuffPo reporter, what policies has YOUR candidate put forward in the past 3 1/2 years to grow the economy?"

23 posted on 04/13/2012 8:35:14 AM PDT by YankeeReb
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To: wolfman23601

Mitt worships the god he believe he will one day be.


24 posted on 04/13/2012 8:35:14 AM PDT by colorcountry (In order to practice tolerance, I must first disagree. But when I do, I'm accused of being intoleran)
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To: CaptainK

He is. Probably just didn’t get to her soon enough, which is why she was threatened afterward.


25 posted on 04/13/2012 8:37:03 AM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: fishtank
Romney worships the self-god of chaos.

I didn't know Mormons worshiped 0bama.

26 posted on 04/13/2012 8:37:12 AM PDT by YankeeReb
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To: jiggyboy
I don’t care what your position is on Romney as a candidate, this is third-hand unsourced “information” from the Huffington Post. i.e., CRAP!

Funny, isn't it? And this is "news".

It will be very sad to see that the communists will come to FR after the convention to get their anti-Romney ammo. Assuming, of course, we don't see a Newt or Palin get in there.

27 posted on 04/13/2012 8:37:40 AM PDT by VeniVidiVici (The Democrat Ku Klux Klan is alive and well - Ogletree, Sharpton, Williams, Jackson)
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To: Marguerite

Yeah, that’s the sort of comment which will restore integrity to the Romney opposition.


28 posted on 04/13/2012 8:37:49 AM PDT by Mr. Lucky
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To: ScottinVA

You have got to be kidding. I know of no Catholic or Christian minister who would say choose between your baby or God.


29 posted on 04/13/2012 8:41:09 AM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: wolfman23601

I guess I’m missing the point here. She was considering abortion and claims Romney demanded she give it up for adoption instead?

This isn’t exactly an attack on Romney.

Or is that your point, trying to make Romney appear pro-life despite his anti-life record?


30 posted on 04/13/2012 8:41:14 AM PDT by mnehring
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To: ScottinVA

You have got to be kidding. I know of no Catholic or Christian minister who would say choose between your baby or God.


31 posted on 04/13/2012 8:41:21 AM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: Mr. Lucky

I’m just ignoring him. Mitt doesn’t exist for me, is a goepist fabrication.


32 posted on 04/13/2012 8:41:55 AM PDT by Marguerite (When I'm good, I am very, very good. But! When I'm bad, I'm even better)
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To: jiggyboy; wolfman23601

Don’t dismiss this so fast, I know other Mormon women who have been told the same or similar things.

I have one friend who is facing excommunication because she had a baby out of wedlock (after she went through the Temple rituals) and refused to abort or give the baby up for adoption.

Mormonism is one of the most controlling religions in the world (very close to Islam).


33 posted on 04/13/2012 8:43:08 AM PDT by reaganaut (Ex-Mormon, now Christian "I once was lost, but now am found, was blind but now I see")
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To: wolfman23601

Abortion is not against mormonism, if that is what you are saying.


34 posted on 04/13/2012 8:43:55 AM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: CaptainK

“I thought Romney was pro-abortion.”

For ‘gentiles’, most definitely. ‘Latter Day Saints’ appear to be another matter.

I spotted this dichotomy a while ago, and that is my conclusion. Do all you can to maximize population growth in one’s own population group while suppressing it in that of all others. Ditto in promoting sterile copulatory arrangements. Reduce theirs, grow yours, rinse and repeat for a few generations and the game has changed.

As an historical example of such a policy, the Third Reich awarded the Cross of Honour of the German Mother for exemplary living and childbearing provided that both parents of the children were “deutschblütig” and genetically-fit, the mother was “worthy” of the decoration and that the children were live births. This was simultaneous with the same State initially sterilizing and eventually liquidating the ‘impure’ and the unfit population.

Same principle.

A theory, but it would resolve the apparent contradiction.


35 posted on 04/13/2012 8:45:34 AM PDT by Psalm 144 ("I'm not willing to light my hair on fire to try and get support. I am who I am." - Willard M Romney)
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To: wolfman23601
Interesting how state-controlled media held their fire on Myth's religion until AFTER he secured the nomination.

Coincidence?

36 posted on 04/13/2012 8:47:22 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (Over half of U.S. murders are of black people, and 90% of them are committed by other black people.)
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To: Vigilanteman
Not sure you can excommunicate a temple mormon or one given awards from BYU and SLC lds for being a good example of what a mormon should be.
37 posted on 04/13/2012 8:47:37 AM PDT by svcw (If one living cell on another planet is life, why isn't it life in the womb?)
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To: colorcountry

10 weird Mormon Belief:

1. Multiple Worlds and Multiple Gods - This deserves some explanation. Mormons believe that God created multiple worlds and each world has people living on it. They also believe that multiple Gods exist but each has their own universe. We are only subject to our God and if we obtain the highest level of heaven we can become gods ourselves.

2. Forgiveness - In LDS theology you can be forgiven for any sin, save two. First, denying the Holy Spirit, and second, murder. Also, God is infinitely forgiving, until the second coming. After that, you end up where you end up, no matter what. There are no second chances. Period.

3. Multiple Heavens - In LDS doctrine there are three heavens: the Celestial Kingdom, Terrestrial Kingdom, and Telestial Kingdom. The Celestial is the highest, where God and the ones who followed his law reside. The Terrestrial is the middle, where people who followed the Law of Moses reside. The Telestial is the lowest, where the ones who followed carnal law reside.

4. Priesthood - In the LDS religion any worthy male can be given the priesthood and is given specific duties. Black people were not allowed to have the priesthood until 1978. Females are not allowed to have the priesthood.

5. The Nature of God - While most religions believe in God, the LDS religion believes in God, Jesus and the Holy Spirit as separate beings. They also believe that God, Jesus and resurrected beings have bodies of “flesh and bone.”

6. Jesus visited the Americas - The Book of Mormon is a book of LDS scripture that takes place during the same time as the Bible and takes place on the American continent. It follows the stories of two tribes who descended from the family of Lehi. After Jesus’ resurrection LDS people believe he visited the peoples of the Americas.

7. Modern Revelation - Almost everyone who knows anything about the Mormon religion knows they have a prophet. What many don’t know, is anything that the prophet says in official capacity is considered official canon.

8. Spirits - This one is very unique to the LDS faith. Basically, everyone on earth now was a spirit in the pre-existence. When we die, our spirits are separated from our bodies and if we were good they go to “spirit paradise.” If we were bad they go to “spirit prison.” The spirit world exists as a place for spirits to go while awaiting the second coming.

9. Pleasure in Life - This is one of the most famous pieces of LDS doctrine. It’s also the cause of many myths about Mormons. Basically; no coffee, no drugs, no tobacco.

10. Tithing - While tithes are not uncommon among religion, rarely are they mandatory. LDS theology states that in order to make it to the highest kingdom of heaven, you must pay a full and honest tithe.


38 posted on 04/13/2012 8:48:02 AM PDT by wolfman23601
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To: ScottinVA

What makes us the Catholic Church... That teaching will NEVER change.


39 posted on 04/13/2012 8:48:11 AM PDT by rwilson99 (Please tell me how the words "shall not perish and have everlasting life" would NOT apply to Mary.)
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To: pgkdan
So what is it? Do you hate mitt because he’s a pro abortion liberal or because he’s a pro life Mormon?

I don't hate Mitt but the point is, he can and will be whatever the situation calls for. Pro abort as liberal governor, pro life as presidential candidate. If he becomes the nominee, we will see him edge back toward pro abort, if he wins the presidency, he will be solidly pro abort.

We have seen these changes already in the primary contests - pro man made global warmist, anti man made global warmist. He is a con man, plain and simple.

40 posted on 04/13/2012 8:48:33 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Haggai 1, V6.. and he that earneth wages earneth wages to put it into a bag with holes. (My plight))
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To: mnehring

No point, just found an interesting article on Romney that I haven’t seen posted so I threw it out there for comment.


41 posted on 04/13/2012 8:51:24 AM PDT by wolfman23601
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To: pgkdan

“So what is it? Do you hate mitt because he’s a pro abortion liberal or becasue he’s a pro life Mormon?”

I think one can make a case that he is pro gentile abortion and homosexuality while being pro Mormon life. That would resolve what is only the appearance of a contradiction.


42 posted on 04/13/2012 8:52:15 AM PDT by Psalm 144 ("I'm not willing to light my hair on fire to try and get support. I am who I am." - Willard M Romney)
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To: wolfman23601
10 weird Mormon Belief:

Meh. There's not a religion out there that could escape a "10 weird beliefs" list.

Romney's problem isn't his religion, it's his politics.

43 posted on 04/13/2012 8:52:53 AM PDT by gdani
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To: wolfman23601; reaganaut

All good points.

I was a Mormon for over 40 years and know well all the weird and wacky Mormon beliefs - there are far more than these ten.

As one good freeper puts it: “Been there, done that, seen the movie, worn the funny underwear.”


44 posted on 04/13/2012 8:53:07 AM PDT by colorcountry (In order to practice tolerance, I must first disagree. But when I do, I'm accused of being intoleran)
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To: wolfman23601
I can’t speak for the Baptists, but as a Catholic, I have never been threatened with excommunication or damnation over anything, much less a personal decision that may go against a priest’s advise, but not the teaching of the Church.

I'm Baptist and Baptists do not excommunicate anyone. A Baptist Minister would council her not to abort and if she did anyway, he would then council her to seek forgiveness of her sins.

45 posted on 04/13/2012 8:53:26 AM PDT by Graybeard58 (Haggai 1, V6.. and he that earneth wages earneth wages to put it into a bag with holes. (My plight))
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To: wolfman23601
Dear wolfman23601,

For Catholics who procure an abortion or otherwise directly participate in the crime of abortion (driving the victims to the murder mill, paying for the crime, actually performing the crime, assisting in the performance of the crime), the Church prescribes excommunication latae sententiae (automatic and self-inflicted, without the need for formal notice of penalty) with the remission of the just penalty reserved to the bishop.


sitetest

46 posted on 04/13/2012 8:53:56 AM PDT by sitetest (If Roe is not overturned, no unborn child will ever be protected in law.)
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To: wolfman23601

Interesting that you have linked an article from Huffington Post that has been cheered by Obama’s supporters for the most part. Is it your intention to assist Obama’s reelection efforts.

Secondly, you list Robert Tilford as the article’s author, but the link you provided lists Peggy Fletcher Stack as the article’s author. Interestingly, Robert Tilford seems to claim credit for the authorship of the article on the Examiner.com site, but the HuffPo link he provides says otherwise.

Mr. Tilford also lists himself as a “Military Professional,” but his profile lists his service as January 1984– January 1990 (6 years 1 month)and his military rank after those 73 months of service as Private.

What’s going on here?


47 posted on 04/13/2012 8:57:26 AM PDT by OkeyDokeyOkie
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To: sitetest

Agree, see post 15


48 posted on 04/13/2012 8:57:39 AM PDT by wolfman23601
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To: Graybeard58

I certainly can’t argue with that. I still don’t see hy the poster chose to post this leftist drivel hitting at the guy for appearing to be pro-life.


49 posted on 04/13/2012 8:57:52 AM PDT by pgkdan (Rick Santorum 2012. Conservative's last, best chance!)
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To: sitetest

Though, historically excommunication has been reserved for the ruling class. Even during the inquisition and throughout the middle ages, the punishment was reserved for the nobility.


50 posted on 04/13/2012 9:00:20 AM PDT by wolfman23601
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