Skip to comments.Romney, as Mormon Bishop threatens woman "give up your baby or give up your God"
Posted on 04/13/2012 8:09:22 AM PDT by wolfman23601
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I’m not a Romney fan. At this point I think 95% of politicians are self-serving opportunists.
What is disturbing is to see liberals swallowing unfounded rumors about Zimmerman and Freepers swallowing unfounded rumors about Romney.
I haven't closely followed the Zimmerman case enough; but my immediate Q is: Why limit your accusations here to the liberals now that Zimmerman is in jail? (Shouldn't you also be accusing detectives, others of following the same thing? I mean, why is Zimmerman in jail then? Only 'cause of "rumors?" The radio report yesterday I heard is that they based his arrest on 3 things, one of which was Zimmerman's phone call to a dispatcher where he was following Martin...another was a phone call of Martin to his girlfriend...I forget the 3rd thing mentioned...)
Anyway, my point is that Zimmerman's in jail -- based upon "enough" to arrest him; here we have Romney free & loose, when heaven has enough on him to arrest & convict him -- aside from the specific case which is the basis of this thread!
This article fails the smell tests for two reasons:
Mormon bishops are not in charge of thousands of congregants. Even hundreds might be a stretch. A bishop is basically a lay leader in charge of a single congregation, i.e. what you can seat in a modest sized church building. I'd guess that to be about 300 tops if the house is packed. If they are like any other denomination, there may be half again that many members on the rolls who never turn up for church unless they are giving away free stuff.
A single lay leader doesn't have sole authority to excommunicate anyone for any reason at the local level. I recall a big national flap over one Sonya Johnson and the equal rights amendment back in the late 1970's. She had to go to a lot of trouble to get excommunicated in order to get a big national soapbox for her moon battery. I doubt that the system has changed much. If it was that easy, I am sure there are a lot of Mormon rank and file who would love to see Harry Reid get excommunicated.
Add to that the advice given to this woman was and is confidential. Mitt Romney can't say yea or nay to this report because it would violate the confidentiality of the advice/counsel. I will say that the training given to leaders in the LDS church about pregnancy outside of marriage is excellent and gives the options available to a woman in those circumstances. Abortion is NOT mentioned as an option.(Yes, I was trained on what to say if a young woman came to me for advice.)
And Sonia Johnson turned out to be a liar also. She is now a lesbian, which was probably the reason for her church court and eventual excommunication (my take on it.)
As far as Harry Reid goes, I will let Christ judge him. Reid is a weasel.
She is being threatened with excommunication because she broke the chastity before marriage and full fidelity after marriage vow she made in the temple. Actually that is what we are taught about chastity in the Church of Jesus Christ of Latter Day Saints.
I’ve been looking for a source of the $50 abortion information on Mitt Romney. Can you give me one? And Rick Santorum’s quote doesn’t count, I can’t find anything official from the state of Massachusetts about this. Thanks.
Hogwash! The burden is left to the taxpayer. There are many articles from people who were refused aid by bishops and told to go to their family and/or friends for aid, along with applying for food stamps, etc.
Re: So how much help is the church now giving members & nonmembers?
"I don't think that the church helps people out much at all. I lost my job, got cancer, forclosed on my house, and divorced all in the same year. I had a close relationship with my bishop for years....remodeled his house 2 times, kids played sports together, camping trips, etc....
He never gave me a dime....or a phone call. Lesson learned."
|YEAR||Obvious Pro-Abortion Romney||Romney Feigning 'Pro-Life'|
|Bottom-Line Summary: ANN Romney Lies Thru Her Teeth||Ann Romney, 1994: Romney's wife gives donation to Planned Parenthood (Ann Romneys Planned Parenthood Donation||Ann Romney, 2011: In the past youve said hes changed positions only once, on abortion. Was that your doing? No, no, I never talked to Mitt about that. Our personal opinions have never changed; weve always been pro-life (Ann Romney Reveals Mitt's Softer Side)|
|Bottom-Line Summary: Mitt Romney Lies Thru His Teeth||Over the last multiple years, as you know, I have been effectively pro-choice." (Bruce Smith, "Romney Campaigns in SC with Sen. DeMint," The Associated Press, 1/29/07) + ...my position was effectively pro-choice." (Source: 2007 GOP Iowa Straw Poll debate 8/5/2007)||So, not only does Ann Romney tell Parade Magazine November 2011 that they've never changed re: abortion and that they've always been pro-life, but Mitt Romney told Chris Wallace part-way through their 2007 campaign that: I never allowed myself to use the word pro-choice because I didn't FEEL I was pro-choice. I would protect the law, I said, as it was, but I wasn't pro-choice...This was seven months after he said in January 2007 that he was always for life.|
|Romney, goin' back to 1970 when Romney's Mom ran for Senate||"I believe that abortion should be safe and legal in this country. I have since the time when my Mom took that position when she ran in 1970 as a U.S. Senate candidate. (October, 1994 Senatorial debate vs. Ted Kennedy)||"'He's been a pro-life Mormon faking it as a pro-choice friendly,'" Romney adviser Michael Murphy told the conservative National Review..., says the Concord Monitor = So I guess that made him a below-the-radar "flip" acting like a "flop?"|
|1994 (Campaign)||"I believe that abortion should be safe and legal in this country. I have since the time when my Mom took that position when she ran in 1970 as a U.S. Senate candidate. I believe that since Roe v. Wade has been the law for 20 years that we should sustain and support it, and I sustain and support that law and the right of a woman to make that choice." (October, 1994 Senatorial debate vs. Ted Kennedy) = Mitt the flipster from what most LDS represent their faith as being...BTW, Romney uses the strongest word possible for support sustain ...Note for non-Mormons: Lds use the word sustain for support for their own prophet||Romney has since invoked a "nuanced stance" about what he was in 1994: He says "Look, I was pro-choice. I am pro-life. You can go back to YouTube and look at what I said in 1994. I never said I was pro-choice, but my position was effectively pro-choice. (Source: Source: 2007 GOP Iowa Straw Poll debate Aug 5, 2007)|
|1994 (Planned Parenthood ties) → 2001||(a) Romney's wife gives donation to Planned Parenthood (a href="http://thecaucus.blogs.nytimes.com/2007/05/09/ann-romneys-planned-parenthood-donation/">Ann Romneys Planned Parenthood Donation (b) On June 12, 1994, Romney himself attends private Planned Parenthood event at home of a sister-in-law of a Planned Parenthood board member where the president of Planned Parenthood recalls talking to Romney: "Nicki Nichols Gamble, a former president and chief executive of Planned Parenthood League of Massachusetts, said today that the photo shows Mitt and Ann Romney at a private home in Cohasset in June 1994." Source: See http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1941932/posts; "Gamble said the pic was snapped at an event at GOP activist Eleanor Bleakies house and that she clearly remembered speaking with Romney at the event." Source: See http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1941627/posts; "In fact Romney personally attended the Planned Parenthood event in question on June 12, 1994. Gamble, the President of Massachusuetts Planned Parenthood in 1994, also attended the event at the home of a Republican, Eleanor Bleakie, the sister-in-law of a Planned Parenthood Board member. Both Romney and Michael Kennedy, who appeared on behalf of nephew of Ted Kennedy, attended the event." Source: http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1941240/posts||2001: "I do not wish to be labeled pro-choice." (Mitt Romney, Letter to the Editor, The Salt Lake Tribune, 7/12/01) = So he doesn't want to be known as a "flop" (so what is he?)|
|2002-2004||I will preserve and protect a womans right to choose, and have devoted and am dedicated to honoring my word in that regard (Nov. 2, 2002) = Well, now guess what? He's solidly pro-abortion AGAIN! See also: "I respect and will protect a woman's right to choose. This choice is a deeply personal one Women should be free to choose based on their own beliefs, not mine and not the government's." (Stephanie Ebbert, "Clarity Sought On Romney's Abortion Stance," The Boston Globe, 7/3/05) = Ah, back securely in the "flop" saddle again?||Nov. '04: Romney & his wife had simultaneous pro-life "conversions" linked to stem cell research: Romney met w/Dr. Douglas Melton from Harvard Stem Cell Institute: He recalls that it happened in a single revelatory moment, during a Nov. 9, 2004, meeting with an embryonic-stem-cell researcher who said he didn't believe therapeutic cloning presented a moral issue because the embryos were destroyed at 14 days. "It hit me very hard that we had so cheapened the value of human life in a Roe v. Wade environment that it was important to stand for the dignity of human life," Romney says. Source: Time Mag, March 9, 2007 = (So the pro-abortion-but-no-pro-choice-label-please-is-now-a-pro-life-convert?)|
|2005||May 27 2005: Romney affirms his commitment to being "pro-choice" at a press conference. ("I am absolutely committed to my promise to maintain the status quo with regards to laws relating to abortion and choice.") = OK, this is at least a flop from November '04!||What about his gubernatorial record '03-'06? Mitt later says his actions were ALL pro-life. I assume somewhere in '05 some 'pro-life' decisions. "As governor, Ive had several pieces of legislation reach my desk, which would have expanded abortion rights in Massachusetts. Each of those I vetoed. Every action Ive taken as the governor that relates to the sanctity of human life, I have stood on the side of life." = So, THESE ACTIONS were not only an '02 commitment reversal, but his May 27, '05 press conference commitment as well. So "flipping" is beginning to be routine|
Hat tip Colofornian
Yes, but only by the authority of the local bishop. An ordinary diocesan priest cannot give absolution for abortion on his own authority. That being said, I've heard that most bishops give that authority to most priests in their dioceses, and thus the priests do not have to consult the bishop every time the crime of abortion is confessed.
Romney IS pro-abortion.
And the new Republican nominee.
It is important for you to understand that Romney and his politics are the way they are because of his mormonism not in spite of it.
Go to this link...then click on the two links within:
Also, please note that some MA plans actually have a $0 copay for surgical abortions...and at least one such MA plan offered these $0 abortion (fully taxpayer funded) as far back as 2008:
She is being threatened with excommunication because she broke the chastity before marriage and full fidelity after marriage vow she made in the temple
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No, that is why she was disfellowshipped. She was ordered to terminate or to give the baby up for adoption and she refused. Sad thing is, she still really believes in the LDS church. Also, this was her ‘second offense’ (the first occuring in High School) which is why she is being treated so harshly
I am all to familiar with the temple rituals (I took them too) and LDS view of chastity. I have counseled her that while, yes she did sin, it is not the place of an organization to judge her, it is the place of God and she needs to deal with her issues and sins with God, not the Mormon church.
Thanks for the information, I do appreciate it.
I think you mean it the other way around.
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