Skip to comments.The Ugliness That Awaits George Zimmerman’s Trial (Case study in histrionic agitation)
Posted on 04/13/2012 2:14:57 PM PDT by 2ndDivisionVet
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Expect dear leader to help things along which ever way benefits him.
And I’ll be keeping the shotgun loaded throughout these events. A forest fire starts small, but it can spread mighty far.
The trial probably means little beyond being a set up for the riots that will follow the dismissal or acquittal.
Racial harmony means white guilt enslavement for anyone who is white... Black Naziism is on the march...
I absolutely cannot fathom how Zimmerman could possibly ever get a fair trial. And just assuming that by some miracle he does... and were to be acquitted - his life would be under constant threat.
Republicans should be ready to take all the blame ,wet your finger and stick it in the air ,you know it’s coming
I have wondered if Trayvon was known to the police. It took many days before his ten day suspension from school surfaced. Is there anything else in his background? I get an image of a brooding kid with an attitude, totally unlike the sunny image of a fifth grader proffered by the media. Am I out of line? I have a feeling that this whole episode is being skewed and molded to fit a meme. I hope I’m wrong. sd
Dude’s toast. Look, I’m a Conservative and I own several dozen guns. And I’m a Yooper. Zimmerman ignored a 911 directive to not pursue, he did not “Stand His Ground” because he pursued and fired, and he just gives me an impression that he is an overzealous idiot. I’m also white and open minded. I’d vote to convict this a-hole in a heart beat.
poll finds that 91 percent of Blacks believe Trayvon was killed unjustly. Yet, only 35 percent of whites feel that way........................................... Hmmmmm, did they feel that OJ’s Nichol and Ronald goldman were killed unjustly too? Enough to warrant dancing in the streets after the verdict? Today, STUPIDITY RULES IN AMERICA, get use to it.
Whew. The info you have is so last month.
No- you are not out of line. Indeed, you are asking the tough questions the media has absolutely refused to ask. They (the major media) are hell-bent on causing race war (it gives them something to cover that will get viewers - and also furthers their political agenda).
What happened to the Twitter account that has been associated with Trayvon? What about the "rest of the story" on his school behavior issues and suspension (or the rumor I read that this wasn't his only trouble at school).
And I still don't buy that the police just let Zimmerman off with no investigation. They did, after all, take him into custody the night of the shooting. They did collect witness testimony (evident on the released police report). If you add a little more unreleased guesses - like maybe Martin had a reputation or was being watched for suspicion... well - it would be easy to see why Zimmerman was not initially charged.
But this is all as dangerous as the speculation that grew this to the international media frenzy it has become (and source of fuel for the true racists in this society- the Sharpton/Jackson/Farrakhans)
“Im a yooper “
No, you’re an idiot. Go back and read the pc.
“because he pursued and fired, and he just gives me an impression that he is an overzealous idiot.”
I’m not sure it is clear he pursued and fired from what has been leaked so far. He could have been an overzealous idiot but not as much so as the prosecutor. She should have gone for manslaughter rather than murder 2. She has set up a likely failed prosecution and the street will riot when it does. That’s how I see it unless there is something powerfull against zimmerman that has not been made public.
directive? Define directive. "We don't need you to follow him". That was it.
Let me clarify:
1) There was no “directive to not pursue”
2) He did no pursue
Of course, there has been a lot of misinformation about this event, so I can see how you’ve come to believe that he disobeyed the law and was bent on killing this thug from the get-go.
“You don’t need to do that”
Btw, what authority does an on air secretary have anyways??
You all cannot defend this man on grains of straw. He is a prime example of the outlier vis a vis that liberals throw in our faces to justify their attempts to take our guns. Zimmerman is guilty, and your posts here trying to find SOME justification for his actions only serve to embarrass our claims to our gun rights. So stop it and call it like it is.
“Zimmerman ignored a 911 directive to not pursue, he did not Stand His Ground because he pursued and fired, and he just gives me an impression that he is an overzealous idiot. Im also white and open minded. Id vote to convict this a-hole in a heart beat.”
Capt. Zimmerman was protecting his NW patrol area from Martin who was looking suspicious while out seemingly casing houses for burglary when he attacked Zimmerman.
It’s also so correct.
90% of the public, whether White, Black, or a lovely shade of blue has not read the concise, accurate, undramatized, dispassioante, report written by ....gasp.... a BLACK MAN ... Napoleon Norton, the City Manager of Sanford, FL. Make that 100% of the MSM, The CBC, and Eric Holder, The New Black Panther spokesman in DC.
I must tell you, Vet, that after thoroughly reading it (and it is updated) I much preferred the MSM story. You know, the one where the 65-lb 8 year old kid with the 240 IQ was stalked by a crazed white man while delivering a hot meal to a sick and shut in old (white) lady? Yeah. That story. He was shuttling between cello lessons and bible study when this fanged villain shot him down like a dog. The Ofay's assault weapon, the dreaded KELTEC 9*, pumped 37 well aimed shots at the hapless victim. They had to be well aimed to miss the thick bible and the AP Calculus text. Throughout the episode, the shooter was shouting racial epithets at the shootee. My God youda thought it was RAP lyrics or somethin'!
Much better than
BTW, where's the autopsy report and the toxicology. Where in the body was he shot. From Below? From above? From behind? From the side? Was he high? Low? Cracked up? Guru, get that seasoned wise head over to Sanford and get on that jury. Enquiring minds want to know what the heck happened!
KELTECs pretty much go off when they feel like it, occasionally even when some one pulls the trigger. This is Zimmerman's real problem: questionable taste in firearms.
“Zimmerman ignored a 911 directive to not pursue, he did not ‘Stand His Ground’ because he pursued and fired”
Firstly, the 9-11 operator was not a cop; those were not authoritative orders. Secondly, I don’t think we know whether he kept pursuing after the operator told him not two. Thirdly, he didn’t fire at the end of his pursuit. He fired, according to his story, after Martin attacked him. I don’t think there’s any evidence that he provoked Martin into attacking him. Continuing to follow after getting advice not to does not constitute such evidence.
While you may not provoke an attack in order to shoot someone in self-defense, the prosecution must prove beyond a reasonable doubt that Zimmerman did provoke the attack. More than that, for it to be second degree murder, he must be especially motivated by malice and hatred, or however they put it. I’m almost certain they can’t demonstrate that.
As for your knee-jerk reaction to the 9-11 directions, I’ve hear plenty of other people react similarly. I don’t get it. Since when do we live in a world where you can’t follow people? I understand if there’s a restraining order, or if you do it every day, or if you do it while nude and licking a knife. But following and reporting is not inherently provocative, and it certainly is not in itself an invitation for violence.
We must not let the bar be lowered, especially considering the open door it would allow for politically correct prosecutions such as this. Violence should not be instigated without an overt and obvious threat. I’m talking fighting words, brandishing of weapons, sudden movements after hostile actions, etc. Merely following is not enough.
If Zimmerman had chased Martin and then shot him in the back when Martin was running away, at least 93 percent of white Americans would think Zimmerman was guilty. Probably more like 99 percent. (Every race has a few nutcases, which is why I’m not saying 100 percent.)
Let’s not even make it that clear-cut. Let’s say Zimmerman had confronted Martin, and Martin takes umbrage and starts taking a few steps toward Zimmerman. Zimmerman then shoots him. Almost all white people would say “guilty.”
But if Zimmerman’s story is true that he gave up following, returned to his car, was attacked by Martin, and that Martin went for his gun, a legitimate self-defense argument arises.
Anyway, I wasn’t there so I don’t know whether Zimmerman’s story is true. But it’s up to the state to prove otherwise, and the evidence that the story is untrue is pretty weak at this point, unless they have evidence not yet in the public sphere.
So I wish people would understand that the VAST MAJORITY OF WHITE PEOPLE DO NOT WANT TO MAKE IT LEGAL TO RANDOMLY SHOOT MINORITIES.
If the shooting went down as it has been told, meaning Martin sucker punched Zimmerman and then was smashing his noggin on the ground then here in Florida it is a good kill.
Blacks will go crazy as they have been fed a load of hooey by the media and race hustlers.
Get a gun and learn how to use it and keep it with you ALWAYS.
Seems pretty clear to me. I left this site a long time ago cuz I got tired of dealing with irrational logic. I was one of the first members. I see that not much has changed. Decided to get back on tonight, and now I’m leaving again, for good. Got better things to do than this....
After that you are free to say whatever you wish. But read it first.
1. Get a few gallons of gasoline.
2. Get plenty of empty Molotov cocktail bottles (is easy...just save their Ripple and Colt .45 bottles).
3. Steal a handful of those plastic Bic butane cigarette liters from the corner Shop & Rob. (Can't start the fires without some flame)
4. Tear up some streets and sidewalks to get some chunks of window-breaking material.
5. Scout around downtown and do some early window shopping and making "shopping lists" before the riots begin, so they can go straight to the stores that have items like big screen tv's, booze, mp3 players, iPads, etc, etc. Don't have to waste time breaking windows and then finding out it's a toy store, Goodwill or local food bank.
Ahhhhh....life will be good....
I’m a yooper too, and agree with you. Except I’m not 100% sure he kept perusing Trayvon, I just don’t know. At any rate, if I were in Trayvon’s shoes that night, I’d have been very nervous about someone following me. How could he possible know that Zimmermann wasn’t going to attack and kill him? My guess is Trayvon probably thought he was defending himself from an attack. Or possible he actually had to defend himself. Did Zimmermann wave his gun around or show his gun to Trayvon? If so, Trayvon for sure did the right thing in attacking him and bashing his head into the ground. Oh...and I’m white too and a far right conservative.
“You all cannot defend this man on grains of straw”
Since when does straw have grains?
“Zimmerman is guilty, and your posts here trying to find SOME justification for his actions only serve to embarrass our claims to our gun rights”
This may be something you think only liberals say, but in this country you are innocent until proven guilty. So it’s not us who need to find some justification for his actions; it’s you who have to rest on evidence stronger than your feeling that he’s overzealous and the “directive” by an operator who had no directive authority and which we don’t whether he obeyed or not.
You need actual evidence, along the lines of proving he instigated the witnessed violence, he had malice aforethought, he was not in reasonable fear for his life, and he wasn’t acting with force to prevent a felony, etc. None of this evidence exists. What you thought was the more solid and common sense position is actually a willow-the-wisp of feelings and non-evidence.
not two = not to
So you missed the irrational logic, and decided to come back to comment, and your off again?
And you feel Zim is guilty?
No thnk you. I seen all of his shit I want to see when I read the,”article” you posted.
Or if he’s found guilty of less than Murder 2
Or if he doesn’t get the needle
Or if his girlfriend is grilled on the stand
In short, any reason to let loose and riot, burn, shoot, rob and rape is fine.
There will be riots regardless. Count on it.
I heard Zimmerman woke up in bed this morning and said “Coleman, I’ve just had the most absurd nightmare. I dreamt I was poor and no one liked me. I lost my job, my house and Penelope hated me. And it was all because of this terrible, awful negro.”
“How could he possible know that Zimmermann wasnt going to attack and kill him?”
He couldn’t, but you’re not allowed to attack someone because you’re not 100% sure they’re not going to attack you. You must base it on something more substantial, like fighting words. We restrict when you get to instigate violence, for good reason.
Anyway, what you’re doing is placing the bar lower for Martin than for Zimmerman. Which would be fine, if indeed Zimmerman instigated the violence. It’s not like I’m comfortable taking his word for it and calling it a day, but there’s no evidence he did. There’s every evidence, outside of arm-chair psychologist with wild epileptic tree theories about how he hates people in hoodies and plotted to get Martin to attack him in order to assert self-defense,that Zimmerman was 100% certain that Martin posed a threat. That is, according to Zimmerman’s story.
I find it funny, is all, that people would give the benefit of the doubt to the one who started the fight that he was somehow provoked, but not to the one who asserts self-defense, even though there’s evidence that he was losing the fight and no evidence that he started it.
“My guess is Trayvon probably thought he was defending himself from an attack.”
That seems a reasonable assumption, if you add “possible future” before “attack.” But in that case, knowing what we know, he would be in the wrong. Because the law does not allow for preemptive violence on the basis of not liking being followed.
I guess you forgot Zimmerman’s broken nose. gashed head and the fact that his KelTec malfunctioned. The way it malfunctioned is possibly due to the two men struggling for the weapon. As someone licensed for CC, Zimmerman would have known he was not allowed to expose or brandish the weapon.
If the firearm had jammed, I might be more lenient on Martin. But given the neighbor’s statement that he saw a larger man beating Zimmerman while he was defenseless on his back and reviewing the other information proven to have been posted by Martin, anyone who thinks Martin was some innocent is missing an important window into his life and thought.
The long amount of time that elapsed between Martin leaving the 7 Eleven and the time before he aroused Zimmerman’s suspicions shows Martin was in no hurry to get back to the house even though it was raining. He should have already been home at least 30 minutes before Zimmerman returned from work.
What we know from the 911 tapes syncs with Zimmerman’s supposed statement. Martin;s actions as an innocent on the other hand do not fit.
If any of this peaks your curiosity, look up the knockdown game as played by urban black youth.
“Did Zimmermann wave his gun around or show his gun to Trayvon?”
Assuming facts not in evidence. You see, this sort of question demonstrates how little people understand the law. It’s well and fine to question whether Martin was provoked beyond Zimmerman. So long as you’re idly speculating, that is. But when it comes to whether or not there’s an actual case against Zimmerman, you must remember that the burden of proof is on the prosecution. You can’t merely suggest that maybe Martin was provoked; you need actual evidence that he was. No such evidence exists, so far as I know.
I’ve never heard of a `yooper.’
Yooper Person from north of the bridge. a second class citizen of the U.S.. A canadian trapped on american soil.
Example: Yoopers think theyre American, but everybody in America hates them. which is why Michigan is selling the u.p. to Canada for a carton of cigarettes.
Don’t go away mad old-timer.
He don’t look French-Russian at all...
By the way, this sort of thing reminds me of the way people were misled during the Casey Anthony trial. The kid was dead, someone must have killed her, and since the mother didn’t report her missing for a month, or whatever, it must have been her. Case closed. Except that’s not how the legal system works. You need to actually prove it was her, and that it was first degree murder or whatever else she was charged with, not just that it probably couldn’t have been anyone else, and that not reporting her missing should be a crime, even if it isn’t.
Now, there was some evidence: a smell emanating from the car, a sticker (or something, I forget) on the corpse, some internet searches, etc. But none of it amounted to a conviction, despite the public at large’s overwhelming instincts. The defense lawyer argued, smartly, that it could have been an accidental death covered up by the grandfather. He was right, it could have been. Because the prosecution could not prove its case. And though most likely the mother was guilty of something, we don’t know what.
Likewise, your feelings about Martin possible excuse for instigating violence and the other guy’s gut instinct that Zimmerman is a nut are what they are. But they are not evidence, nor legal reasoning. They are gossip, basically. Thank God we have due process, because you need actual evidence that Zimmerman instigated violence and that he was a law-and-order madman bent on killing the next hooded teen of a minority race he saw in order to lock him away.
Also, he actually did follow the "911 directive". He went back to his van when Tray attacked him.
“Its well and fine to question whether Martin was provoked beyond Zimmerman”
Beyond Zimmerman following him, I mean.
Wow yooper, keep drinking the LSM kool-aid.
Hey. Have tyou read the Sanford City Manager's Report? You oughta. He's one of youse calm logical people what is swayed by mere facts.
Apparently, Photoshop works !
Jeez, Hump, let's not take all the fun out of it! If we promise to stay calm now, is it OK if we riot right after the verdict?
He was told to "just let us know if he does anything else", no wonder he started to follow.
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