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"Journalist" attempst to compare my books to the Turner Diaries
Western Rifle Shooters Association ^ | April 13, 2012 | Matt Bracken

Posted on 04/13/2012 3:36:38 PM PDT by Travis McGee

On Wed, Apr 11, 2012 at 9:58 AM, J.M. Berger wrote:

Dear Mr. Bracken,

My name is J.M. Berger. I’m a journalist working on a story about the EFAD trilogy for the Daily Beast. I was wondering if you’d have a few minutes to discuss the book between Thursday and Sunday via phone or email. (My deadline is Monday and I am out of the office most of today.)

I can be reached at this address or at 202-656-XXXX any time starting tomorrow morning.

Best,

J.M.

— On Thu, 4/12/12, Matt Bracken wrote:

From: Matt Bracken

Subject: Re: Media query, #EFAD

To: “J.M. Berger”

Date: Thursday, April 12, 2012, 8:10 AM

Sure, I can do that. It’s now 8am Thursday and I’ll be off the grid until later this afternoon, but we can set up a call for anytime after that.

Matt

On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 8:13 AM, J.M. Berger wrote:

Any time this afternoon or after is fine with me. Just let me know, or just call when it’s convenient.

Thanks very much,

JM

— On Thu, 4/12/12, Matt Bracken wrote:

From: Matt Bracken Subject: Re: Media query, #EFADTo: “J.M. Berger”

Date: Thursday, April 12, 2012, 8:48 AM

If you would prefer, we can use written Q&A format. Or, you could shoot me some questions that I could consider prior to a phone interview. In any case, I’ll be out of range until later this afternoon.

Matt

On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 8:58 AM, J.M. Berger wrote:

I’m mainly interested in understanding the role you see the book playing for the Patriot movement (entertainment or educational or inspirational, etc.), and how the book reflects (or doesn’t) your own political views.

I’d also like to talk about the inevitable comparison to “The Turner Diaries.” I didn’t think the comparison was inevitable after Book One, but it’s difficult to avoid by the end of Book Three. I’m interested in what you think of Turner, whether you set out intentionally to modify or improve on what it represents, and what role you think racial politics play in the modern Patriot movement.

JM

— On Thu, 4/12/12, Matt Bracken wrote:

From: Matt Bracken Subject: Re: Media query, #EFADTo: “J.M. Berger”

Date: Thursday, April 12, 2012, 9:20 AM

Did you actually read all three novels? Every page? I’m probably going to punt on this interview if your point is to compare my work to the racist screed the Turner Diaries.

Assuming you will say that you did read all three novels, I’m guessing you are comparing FEAT to TTD based on bad actions by black characters in and around Memphis. Do you honestly think that after major earthquakes cut off W. TN (no water, no power etc), folks will all join across racial lines to sing kumbaya? There would be no racial element? Such a plot would be laughably unrealistic and PC. And do you find the murderously evil white vigilantes in FEAT to be portrayed sympathetically? Another “Turner Diaries?” Really? And did you miss the catharsis in racial feelings by Jenny?

I mean, seriously, did you read the damn novel, or skim it, or possibly just read the excerpts on my website?

If you have not read, (I mean, really read), all three novels, then forget it. Get back to me when you have.

And in any case, forget a phone interview. I can see already how that would go, when your “notes” become written words in your essay. Been there, done that, still got the scars, pal. Submit written Q&A only is how this will go, if it goes at all. My trust-o-meter is pegging the redline. My trust in “journalists” after a few decades dealing with them is below used car salesmen and hookers. I’ve given interviews, and seen my words turned via the magical process of “notes” into damnable lies. Fool me once, etc.

Matt

On Thu, Apr 12, 2012 at 9:45 AM, J.M. Berger wrote:

I read all three novels. These are the reasons I think it’s valid to compare and contrast:

1) Both books are predicated around revolution/resistance tied to the seizure of guns,

2) The Memphis section of the third book clearly echoes the content of the Turner Diaries. My opinion about the credibility of anything you described is entirely irrelevant to that point unless you’re arguing from a belief that black cannibalism is a realistically inevitable outcome of the breakdown of society or an unavoidable literary imperative of some kind.

3) Nevertheless, you seem to be approaching racial content in a markedly different way than Pierce. This is also a valid point for comparison and contrast, which is not the same as saying the two books are equal or equivalent.

4) Since you asked, my view is that the breakthrough that Jenny experiences is an awfully weak counterweight against the Memphis stuff. I plan on acknowledging its presence, and the other factors you included as counterweights, but I think it’s appropriate to discuss it in context. The balance in Book 3 is clearly much different from Book 1.

I can understand your wanting to clearly distinguish your book from Turner, but I frankly don’t understand your outrage over the comparison. I think it’s pretty obvious and valid why one would discuss these two books together. To acknowledge the commonalities is not to equate the books on the basis of racial politics, writing or anything else.

So for some actual questions. I’ll start with these, and if you’re still willing to continue, I will send more.

1) Did you set out to do a political book in the form of a novel, or did you set out to write a novel that simply has political elements?

2) Did you consciously set out to write something that would be a non-racist or at least less racial alternative to The Turner Diaries as a text for the Patriot movement?

3) Would you describe yourself as part of the Patriot movement or as part of some other political wave?

4) Do you feel that the Patriot movement has historically had a racist component? Do you think it needs to change in this respect? If so, why?

Thanks for considering this request.

JM

From: Matt Bracken

To: J.M. Berger

Sent: Thursday, April 12, 2012 9:57 PM

Subject: Re: Media query, #EFAD

Mr Berger,

Let me take your approach for just a moment.

When did you stop beating your wife and children in drunken rages? Since we know that most journalists are drunken louts who beat their wives and kids, right?

Truthfully, most of the self-described “journalists” I have dealt with personally have been smarmy, lying SOBs, and I see you are typical of the breed.

AMF.


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To: DuncanWaring; CodeToad

I guess that OKC / Aryan Nations stuff too old, and he needs some newer and catchier headlines. That’s where I come in, I guess.

Plus, he’s probably pissed off that nobody gives a damn about his lame nonfiction book “Jihad Joe.” After a year, it’s at about 350,000 on Amazon, so it’s selling maybe a handful of books a week, if that. IOW, diddly squat, despite the glowing reviews it received from the LSM, such as this by the NYT:

(Here is the last par)

At a time when some politicians and pundits blur the line between Islam and terrorism, Berger, who knows this subject far better than the demagogues, sharply cautions against vilifying Muslim Americans. “Extreme and indiscriminate anti-Muslim rhetoric helps to validate the worldview of our enemies — the premise that America’s wars are indeed wars against Islam,” Berger writes. “You cannot tell someone, ‘You are my enemy,’ and then blame them for believing you.”

It is a timely warning from an expert who has not lost his ­perspective.

Scott Shane is a national security reporter in the Washington ­bureau of The Times.

(Good grief, I’ve never gotten a single LSM review, and I’m outselling him by miles. Imagine if the NYT reviewed my trilogy, even in the negative! It would sell a million copies with that kind of fawning coverage from the NYT and WaPo etc. And Jihad Joe is still on the way-back list at Amazon. I suppose Berger thinks my name and titles will help to launch is book about how the FBI is infiltrating all of those “white racist militias.”)


151 posted on 04/14/2012 1:14:21 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

This is precious: J.M. is “available.”

IOW, he ain’t raking it in as a “domestic terrorism expert” with his very own website.

http://jmberger.egoplex.com/newspapers.html

AVAILABILITY
Berger is available to work as a writer, editor, researcher, ghostwriter or producer. His experience includes writing for the Boston Globe, the New York Daily News, The Atlantic, Foreign Policy, Nature, as well as many businesses and institutions. E-mail or call (202) 656-4XXX to find out what he can bring to your editorial product.


152 posted on 04/14/2012 1:19:10 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: SaraJohnson; Travis McGee

” Liberals are mind readers. They can read a white racist between lines that are not written and between words that are not said.”

As long as we have purused the “Phenominology of Jethro Bodine” I am reminded of the old Dick Van Dyke show where book publisher John McGiver says to Rob Petrie “ I know symbolism! I NEVER miss it, Why, I can see symbolism when it isn’t even there!! “


153 posted on 04/14/2012 1:25:57 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Good one! Mind reading put the “smart” into liberals.


154 posted on 04/14/2012 1:39:40 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: Travis McGee

” AVAILABILITY
Berger is available to work as a writer, editor, researcher, ghostwriter or producer.”

Ghostwriter or producer??

Well, I suppose number of book sales he has thus far qualifies him as a “ghost”

Producer ?
LOL


155 posted on 04/14/2012 1:41:45 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: Travis McGee; SaraJohnson

JM Berger

” Sales of my book on terrorism started off slowly.....and then, of course, they began to taper off”

: )


156 posted on 04/14/2012 1:49:57 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: MestaMachine

Don’t we all know at least 3 J.M. Bergers personally?


157 posted on 04/14/2012 1:56:50 PM PDT by EDINVA
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To: EDINVA

I only know 2

The expert

The phony

Make that one : )


158 posted on 04/14/2012 2:15:59 PM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: stephenjohnbanker; Travis McGee

Travis,

I have been thinking about it and if your books were targeted by the dummies as a huge, white racist secret plot and it caught on, sales of your book would go through the roof! All the liberals would have to buy your books to “study” your unspoken racist intentions. The socialist neo-Nazis would have to buy it in case it had the secret marching orders they missed. :)

Maybe you should do the interview and make the liberal hysterical?


159 posted on 04/14/2012 2:18:50 PM PDT by SaraJohnson
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To: SaraJohnson

Trust me, I can’t wait to read the DB piece, if it ever gets into digital print. “There’s no such thing as bad publicity.” The 5 day free period already increased my circle of awareness far beyond the conservative choir. A hate-fest by the libtards would just mean more folks read the books. They will stand on their own.


160 posted on 04/14/2012 3:44:01 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: stephenjohnbanker

Bill Ayers is probably his hero, for ghost-writing Obama’s Dreams.


161 posted on 04/14/2012 3:45:56 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: FreedomPoster; Travis McGee; ebshumidors

Finished up my time in the Navy in Millington. Used to love going down to Beale street, used to hate parking two blocks off Beale.


162 posted on 04/14/2012 8:36:28 PM PDT by SC Swamp Fox (Aim small, miss small.)
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To: Travis McGee

That is a picture that says “this person wants you to think he has a fivehead.”

Just damn.


163 posted on 04/14/2012 9:00:53 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Travis McGee

Oh, he “consults on homegrown terrorism and online extremism,” does he?

Can we see the 1099s? Since it is tax time and all, this is topical.

I bet my latest gig that started a month or so ago will result in bigger 1099s.


164 posted on 04/14/2012 9:03:32 PM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: Travis McGee
Yes, on Kindle or any other machines that D/L the free Kindle app.

Cool. After doing a little searching I don't think I'll have problems converting from kindle to epub. Sounds like a plan. Thanks!

165 posted on 04/14/2012 11:03:42 PM PDT by zeugma (Those of us who work for a living are outnumbered by those who vote for a living.)
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To: Travis McGee
The consulting thing could go either way, but if they (DHS) are listening, he is likely telling them what they want to hear. Does he tie in with the SPLC?

His book might be interesting, just to see who got in what organization where...

166 posted on 04/15/2012 2:40:00 AM PDT by Smokin' Joe (How often God must weep at humans' folly. Stand fast. God knows what He is doing)
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To: Smokin' Joe

He’s just trying to get his “domestic terrorism expert” creds upgraded (at my expense), so that he can get his “all-platform journalism” mug on the LSM talking-head shows.

I wish him luck, and great success at promoting the Enemies Trilogy.


167 posted on 04/15/2012 5:22:10 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: FreedomPoster; SaraJohnson; CodeToad; Joe Brower
That Twit pic Berger uses for himself sure looks like the late Patrick McGoohan, star of the British show "The Prisoner" in the 1960s. In fact, I think it is.

Here is his Twitter picture, chosen by him. Note the URL is:
https://twimg0-a.akamaihd.net/profile_images/2051394792/av-prisoner1_reasonably_small.jpg

So it seems that the head of Intelwire has promoted himself from Prisoner #6 to #1.

What a creepy little insight into the snakes crawling around inside of his brain housing unit.




168 posted on 04/15/2012 5:36:57 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

Good catch on that, you’ve nailed it. I should have recognized that, I watched that show when it was a first run when I was a little kid.


169 posted on 04/15/2012 6:07:14 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: FreedomPoster

I knew I recognized that little Twit pic, and at first I thought, “well, without a beard, he sure does look like Patric McGoohan.” I was a little surprised to find it IS a picture of PM!


170 posted on 04/15/2012 6:10:15 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

It’s worth noting that Patrick McGoohan was also the protagonist in the spy series Danger Man, aka Secret Agent here in the U.S.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Danger_Man

This was the show that used Johnny Rivers’ rendition of Secret Agent Man as the theme song.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6iaR3WO71j4


171 posted on 04/15/2012 6:33:29 AM PDT by FreedomPoster (Islam delenda est)
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To: FreedomPoster

The thought occurs to me that you could probably get their heads to explode if you were to make the following two points, the first of which they’d probably agree to fairly easily:

1. When The Bent One lied about sex, he was just trying to pretend it didn’t happen, to obscure the fact, to cover it up.

2. As we learned from Nixon and Watergate, “It’s not the crime, it’s the cover-up”.

You’ve now drawn a correlation between their most-loved president and their most-hated president.


172 posted on 04/15/2012 6:59:27 AM PDT by DuncanWaring (The Lord uses the good ones; the bad ones use the Lord.)
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To: Travis McGee

Flawless take down.


173 posted on 04/15/2012 7:50:58 AM PDT by bayouranger (The 1st victim of islam is the person who practices the lie.)
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To: Travis McGee

Oh,my..I’m so sorry to hear this, but I guess it was inevitable. I think it’s too late, Travis. The ‘Good’ men of this country will do nothing. And this is what happens to those of us who try. We are demonized.


174 posted on 04/15/2012 7:58:10 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: stephenjohnbanker; Jeff Head; Travis McGee

“” They are nothing like the Turner Diaries. Mr. Berger is a moron.”

I prefer lying SOB, but to each, his own : )”

Sounds like most people here have never read the Turner Diary. I haven’t. Funny how ya get tied to something ya never even read! So, now Patriot is a dirty word along with Mother, Conservative...control the language and media and you control the debate. We are outnumbered.


175 posted on 04/15/2012 8:09:52 AM PDT by AuntB (Illegal immigration is simply more "share the wealth" socialism and a CRIME not a race!)
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To: Travis McGee

Great response!

AMF indeed.

Having perused the thread, I could not help but notice the many references to 007, Patrick McGoohan, and other secret agent types.

Frankly, Berger strikes me as more of a Maxwell Smart personna.

I wonder if he uses a shoe phone...


176 posted on 04/15/2012 8:19:06 AM PDT by headsonpikes (Mass murder and cannibalism are the twin sacraments of socialism - "Who-whom?"-Lenin)
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To: Travis McGee

Childish ego. Adults are proud of who they are and don’t try to make up imaginary figures to associate themselves. Type of kid that still has imaginary friends.


177 posted on 04/15/2012 8:56:55 AM PDT by CodeToad (I'm so right-wing if I lifted my left leg I'd go into a spin.)
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To: Travis McGee

I recognized McGoohan right away LOL!


178 posted on 04/15/2012 9:15:29 AM PDT by stephenjohnbanker (God, family, country, mom, apple pie, the girl next door and a Ford F250 to pull my boat.)
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To: FreedomPoster

Oh, that was a great show too!


179 posted on 04/15/2012 5:17:24 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: bayouranger
Gracias. I just hope the DB is not dissuaded from running his piece. The publicity will be priceless.
180 posted on 04/15/2012 5:19:33 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: AuntB
I have never read TTD either. But it doesn't matter in Libland. They read our minds, I guess. That's how Berger comes up with his “Patriot movement.” Totally from his fevered mind.

Seriously, 1,700 pages about defending the Constitution from jerks like him, and he zeroes in on about ten pages with no context, to make the trilogy the next TD.

But I'm good with it. I have always wanted my books to break out of the conservative awareness zone into middle America. I want everybody to hear about EFAD, then read it, and make up their own minds.

I may send Berger a free case of books, or some other gift. More publicity than I can afford to buy.

BTW, his own crummy book “Jihad Joe” even had glowing reviews by the NYT, and it still only sold about a thousand books in its entire first year, very roughly guesstimating based on his #350,000 Amazon ranking, and only 8 reviews. In a year after the NYT plugged it in a review! Can you say, “stinker?” And his next book project is going to be about those heroic infiltrators of the deadly dastardly dreaded “right wing racist militias.”

I kid you not.

181 posted on 04/15/2012 5:31:43 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: headsonpikes

Maxwell Smart for sure, or “Double Naught Spy” Jethro Bodine.

He never spent a day in the military or LE, so I’m guessing he was not in the CIA either, so he’s just a nobody wannabee gumshoe freelance writer for hire. With a cool website named “Intelwire!” Whoah!


182 posted on 04/15/2012 5:33:59 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: CodeToad
Childish ego. Adults are proud of who they are and don’t try to make up imaginary figures to associate themselves. Type of kid that still has imaginary friends.

That's perfect for Twitter, where Bergman/McGoohan meets his imaginary Twitter friends.

I wonder if any of them know who McGoohan was, or even had the fleeting thought that it was not Mr. Intelwire himself, JM Berger?

I just hope they don't axe the Daily Beast bit. That will be worth more than my annual ad budget. And if it helps to sell his new book on the eeevvvilllll white racist gun nut militias, (and the heroic feds who infiltrate them), that's also fine with me. We'll boost each others sales; his up to possibly measurable, mine a bit higher.

183 posted on 04/15/2012 5:41:43 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee
Berger is available to work as a writer, editor, researcher, ghostwriter or producer.

Yeah, right. And I'm available to work as a ballerina or an NFL defensive lineman.

McGee BTT. I find the thing a little creepy, to be honest. "Patriot Movement"? Turner Diaries? Somebody is doing some serious fantasizing here and it ain't healthy. And no, I don't think he's read the books.

You should have told him about the coded messages you put in the paragraph headings. Could have kept him busy for months. ;-)

184 posted on 04/15/2012 5:49:43 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Billthedrill

Yeah, I forgot to mention all of the secret “go-codes” buried in the text of the trilogy. The entire secret nerve center of the “Patriot movement” is deep in a bunker under my house. That will be in the next Intelwire, featuring the reincarnation of The Prisoner/Danger Man/Secret Agent.


185 posted on 04/15/2012 5:54:36 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: Travis McGee

Does this ‘Journolist’ know anything about you?
.


186 posted on 04/15/2012 5:57:53 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: skeeter

>> “’Nuff said, I think.” <<

Absolutely.

This clown is a would-be David Brock.
.


187 posted on 04/15/2012 6:01:46 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: editor-surveyor; CodeToad

I guess I’m a secret leader of the White Racist Gun Nut Militias lurking behind The Patriot Movement.

Or something. Skip ahead to the 150s and check out his McGoohan impression. I think it’s arrested development, as suggested by codetoad.


188 posted on 04/15/2012 6:11:06 PM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: CodeToad

>> “Type of kid that still has imaginary friends” <<

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Best replacement there is for no friends at all. What happens when his imaginary friends see through him?
.


189 posted on 04/15/2012 6:29:24 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: editor-surveyor; Travis McGee

My imaginary friend’s dad can beat up his imaginary freind’s dad! neener-neener. phhhhttttt!


190 posted on 04/15/2012 7:44:04 PM PDT by CodeToad (I'm so right-wing if I lifted my left leg I'd go into a spin.)
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To: CodeToad; Travis McGee

Well, this is it!

Reviewing Travis McGee’s books is his shot at the big time; can he handle it? He might need some help fron the southern impoverished law center.


191 posted on 04/15/2012 8:06:31 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: editor-surveyor

Matt’s been bucking the streets for some time now with his novels, so he deserves some serious success from it. Berger, however, who’s he?

You know you are climbing the latter of success when the klingons start attaching themselves to you.


192 posted on 04/15/2012 8:10:19 PM PDT by CodeToad (I'm so right-wing if I lifted my left leg I'd go into a spin.)
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To: CodeToad

>> “Berger, however, who’s he?” <<

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Someone who recognizes that there are enough hot buttons in Matt’s books to get him some attention for reviewing them.

I hope he goes for it; Matt deserves all the attention he can get. Any leftie is likely to blow a gasket on them, and that is free notoriety.


193 posted on 04/15/2012 8:51:37 PM PDT by editor-surveyor (No Federal Sales Tax - No Way!)
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To: Travis McGee

I finally read this!!! Amazing.

What a slimy little skunkweasel he is. How can he face himself in the mirror. Leftists aren’t (just) stupid, they’re evil.


194 posted on 04/15/2012 9:24:36 PM PDT by little jeremiah (We will have to go through hell to get out of hell. Signed, a fanatic)
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To: little jeremiah; Travis McGee
"What a slimy little skunkweasel he is."

IIRC slimy little skunkweasel is the "Latin Term" for Liberal journalist.

(Further, Skunkweasel is an excellent name for a punk rock band...[/Dave Barry])

195 posted on 04/15/2012 9:29:39 PM PDT by Mad Dawgg (If you're going to deny my 1st Amendment rights then I must proceed to the 2nd one...)
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To: editor-surveyor

Yep, he’s trying to become a one-man SPLC with Intelwire.


196 posted on 04/16/2012 4:22:08 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: CodeToad

I’ll be happy to boost his book sales, if it boosts mine more.

I’ve googled all over, and there is no link I can find between Berger and Daily Beast. At all. I think he was lying about the DB, and just wanted some nice pull quotes for his upcoming nonfiction snoozer about the brave Feds who infiltrate the evil Right Wing Racist Gun Nut Militias.


197 posted on 04/16/2012 4:24:44 AM PDT by Travis McGee (www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com)
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To: dynachrome; Travis McGee
If he knows you are on FR, maybe this thread will make it into the article. Suitably edited to make FR look bad, of course.
That's what I was thinking while reading this thread.
198 posted on 04/16/2012 4:43:50 AM PDT by samtheman
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To: Travis McGee

I read it back when I was trying to understand what evil people think and believe.
You’re not missing anything.
And nowadays, I don’t bother trying to understand them.


199 posted on 04/16/2012 4:44:09 AM PDT by Little Ray (FOR the best Conservative in the Primary; AGAINST Obama in the General.)
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To: Smokin' Joe
I have noticed the Islamicization of the 'Civil Rights movement' pretty much coincided with the New Left (Communist) takeover of the Democrat Party. Both have been incremental conquests, and they have worked hand-in-hand, to the point that the Congressional Black Caucus is heavily packed with avowed Socialists.

Both have relied heavily on accusing detractors of "Racism", both play identity politics games while pushing their agendae.

Tying the (old) Black Panthers in with AlQaida, even as Rap Brown has aged and 'converted' to Islam is interesting. Most Black politics involved an allegedly Christian pulpit, not a Mosque, but that has changed and seems to be increasingly changing.

That Obama's alleged daddy is Muslim just connects the two further, imho, especially since his mother was a Communist, his influences were Marxist, and his upbringing included heavy Islamic elements, provided we can believe any of the fable we have been handed as to his origins. For all we know, he may be the product of a Potemin Villiage somewhere.

Excellent short summary of the evolution of the alliance between the commies and the muzzies.
200 posted on 04/16/2012 4:48:53 AM PDT by samtheman
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