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Maryland returns unprocessed handgun permit applications
Monachus Lex ^ | April 13, 2012 | John Pierce

Posted on 04/14/2012 6:36:52 AM PDT by JohnPierce

After Judge Legg handed down his ruling in Woollard v. Sheridan that Maryland's requirement of a "good and sufficient reason" to receive a handgun permit was unconstitutional, hundred of applicants flooded the Maryland State Police Licensing Division with applications.

However, Judge Legg subsequently issued a temporary stay of that order and the state is petitioning for a permanent stay pending appeal. Given those circumstances, Maryland has been returning applications unprocessed with the following letter ...

(Excerpt) Read more at monachuslex.com ...


TOPICS: Government; Politics
KEYWORDS: banglist; concealedcarry; maryland
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1 posted on 04/14/2012 6:36:59 AM PDT by JohnPierce
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To: humblegunner

Over here.


2 posted on 04/14/2012 6:41:30 AM PDT by carriage_hill (I'd vote for a "orange juice can", before 0bummer&HisRegimeFromHell, gets another 4yrs. Can-> later.)
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To: JohnPierce

What seems to have caused you to excerpt your own Wordpress blog?


3 posted on 04/14/2012 6:50:23 AM PDT by humblegunner
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To: JohnPierce; humblegunner; carriage_hill

Thank you for posting that. Please ignore the fools who will come along and accuse you of “pimping a blog”.


4 posted on 04/14/2012 6:50:36 AM PDT by ExGeeEye (Islam: a transnational fascist government that demands worship.)
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To: ExGeeEye
Thank you for posting that.

He didn't post it, he excerpted it. He wants hits.

Looks like a pimp to me.

5 posted on 04/14/2012 6:52:00 AM PDT by humblegunner
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To: humblegunner
Looks like a pimp to me.

"Naahhhh shaddap!"

6 posted on 04/14/2012 7:04:35 AM PDT by Timber Rattler (Just say NO! to RINOS and the GOP-E)
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To: humblegunner

Is there some rule against excerpting your own blog? I thought this section of the forum was specifically for blogs?

As for your question, I will not try to hide the fact that I blog in an attempt to get readers. I spend hours each day writing articles that I feel provide meaningful legal analysis and the reward that most bloggers are seeking (myself included) is having your blog become known as a reliable source of good writing. In order for that to happen, people need to visit the site.

In short, I AM trying to generate traffic to my blog but I am not trying to mislead anyone and I am not selling anything. I always post enough of an excerpt to let readers know what the article is about so that they can decide if they are interested in reading the entire article.

If this is a violation of the rules of the forum, could a moderator please let me know?


7 posted on 04/14/2012 7:07:37 AM PDT by JohnPierce
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To: JohnPierce

Here’s what Jim Robinson had to say about it:

http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/bloggers/2636843/posts?page=552#552

“I have no complaint if a good conservative blogger posts his own material to FR, not as an excerpt to drive hits and discussion back to his blog, but rather to impart useful information to OUR readers and to promote and join in on the discussion and conservative activism HERE on FR.”


8 posted on 04/14/2012 7:13:37 AM PDT by humblegunner
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To: humblegunner; JohnPierce
He wants hits.

He did the work, he's earned 'em. From me, he's gettin' 'em. You can do as you please.

BTW isn't it proper etiquette to ping a person when you refer to 'em?

9 posted on 04/14/2012 7:19:05 AM PDT by ExGeeEye (Islam: a transnational fascist government that demands worship.)
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To: humblegunner

I believe that I am in compliance with that rule.

I am not trying to steal readers away from FR and do not try and get people to move their discussions to my blog.

Rather, I participate actively in the discussions of the topics HERE.


10 posted on 04/14/2012 7:20:09 AM PDT by JohnPierce
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To: ExGeeEye
BTW isn't it proper etiquette to ping a person when you refer to 'em?

Usually.

Click on blogs all day long if that's what floats your boat.

Pat 'em on the back for using FR as free advertising while your at it.

11 posted on 04/14/2012 7:22:10 AM PDT by humblegunner
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To: Jim Robinson; humblegunner
Boss, it it your intent to keep references to personal blogs out of the "Bloggers and Personal" forum?
12 posted on 04/14/2012 7:22:21 AM PDT by ExGeeEye (Islam: a transnational fascist government that demands worship.)
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To: ExGeeEye

Thank you very much!

I really do not want to detract from the incredible work that FR does and will try to make sure that I am always keeping Jim’s words in mind.


13 posted on 04/14/2012 7:23:46 AM PDT by JohnPierce
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To: JohnPierce
I believe that I am in compliance with that rule.

It's not a rule, it's a suggestion and by posting an excerpt you are NOT complying.

Hey, your choice. But you CAN expect to catch some grief for it.

Pimps is parasites.

14 posted on 04/14/2012 7:24:22 AM PDT by humblegunner
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To: JohnPierce

A good and sufficient reason is the US Constitution, specifically the 2 Amendment.


15 posted on 04/14/2012 7:24:32 AM PDT by SECURE AMERICA (Where can I sign up for the New American Revolution and the Crusades 2012?)
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To: carriage_hill

Did you join Free Republic just so you could be a PITA toward people who post here?


16 posted on 04/14/2012 7:25:59 AM PDT by mac_truck ( Aide toi et dieu t aidera)
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To: ExGeeEye

Explain how wanting the dude to post his full content is “keeping references to personal blogs” out of anything.

If you can.


17 posted on 04/14/2012 7:25:59 AM PDT by humblegunner
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To: Jim Robinson

I would appreciate a ruling on this as well. The last thing I want to do is violate your rules and I will uncomplainingly comply with whatever your wishes are in this matter

Thanks!

John


18 posted on 04/14/2012 7:26:20 AM PDT by JohnPierce
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To: humblegunner

Well: It’s useful to me. I live in Maryland and I had no idea that this was being done.

I was planning on sending in an application myself,now that I know that Maryland is doing the same thing DC is doing and avoiding having to obey the law by obfuscation,I won’t bother.

Maryland: sometimes called the Free State is not free by any means we have some of the highest taxes and some of the most egregious laws in America.

I suppose that is becaus we have too many Democrats here.


19 posted on 04/14/2012 7:28:00 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: ExGeeEye; humblegunner

Might wanna clean the 8 trackers and 31 cookies off your machine when you’re done.


20 posted on 04/14/2012 7:28:36 AM PDT by Salamander (Hey blood brother, you're one of our own. You're as sharp as a razor and as hard as a stone.)
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To: JohnPierce

Personally, not that my opinion matters, I feel that a well written blog with original content has a right to be excerpted. What annoys me are blog posts that contain YouTube videos (where a direct link would suffice) or has a ton of advertisement and tracking cookies.

As far as blog posts are concern I don’t like a small teasers, I want the choice to read more (if well written), but also to be able to discern context and reasoning of the author without having to click if I feel lazy. Freerepublic is for selfless promotion of conservative ideas, not personal gain. Provide more content and at the end say visit my blog to help me promote it. If your content has value and Freepers enjoy your style they will be more than happy to support you.


21 posted on 04/14/2012 7:28:46 AM PDT by BushCountry (I hope the Mayans are wrong!)
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To: ExGeeEye; JohnPierce

The request is not to do away with the post. But rather for the post to include the text, not an excerpt.

It is a request. Some do some don’t. Some attract unwanted attention, some don’t.

From the Admin Moderator Lecture Series

A Suggestion for Bloggers Who Post at FR
http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-bloggers/2776537/posts
1 posted on 09/10/2011 2:43:21 PM PDT by Admin Moderator

Your contributions are appreciated but many here correctly assume that when you post an excerpt to your blog that you’re looking for hits for financial gain, especially those of you who rarely comment.

A suggestion from this moderator: Post full text from you blog and ask nicely for a hit to your link.

Freepers will treat you much more kindly if you heed this advice.


22 posted on 04/14/2012 7:29:10 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Venturer

The final hearing on the permanent stay is May 23rd and I expect a ruling on the permanent stay by late June. Once we see whether or not Judge Legg is going to grant the stay, then we will know whether or not it is time to send in those apps.

The good news is that I think the appeal will lose. Ultimately, I think Maryland may be forced to issue permits on a more even keel.


23 posted on 04/14/2012 7:30:38 AM PDT by JohnPierce
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To: humblegunner; Jim Robinson; JohnPierce

Humblegunner, please understand that my respect for you is not at all diminished by my invitation for you to bite me.

The requirement, by you, for me to explain jack squat will go entirely unfulfilled.

If Mr. Robinson wished to clarify his position, up to and including a slap-down of anything I have had to say, I will quietly submit. You have no say in the matter— unless he says so.


24 posted on 04/14/2012 7:31:24 AM PDT by ExGeeEye (Islam: a transnational fascist government that demands worship.)
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To: JohnPierce; humblegunner

I would appreciate a ruling on this as well. The last thing I want to do is violate your rules and I will uncomplainingly comply with whatever your wishes are in this matter

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If you would have read the post by Jim Robinson linked at #18 your question would have already been answered. His closing paragraph from that post is below:

Furthermore, I’m not big on “rules.” You won’t see me posting rules for bloggers. The rules for bloggers on FR are the same as the rules for everyone else. If you are a good conservative activist and are willing to work with US on OUR goals and causes and not against US, then you’re welcome to post to FR. But unless we say otherwise your blog material should be posted to our bloggers forum and it would be best if you do not excerpt your own material and if you would actually join in on the discussion here on FR. We’re not really that interested in driving OUR traffic to YOUR blog. But if our readers see that you post useful information then they might start reading your site and that’s fine by me.


25 posted on 04/14/2012 7:33:44 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: ExGeeEye

So you really can’t explain how wanting the full content posted is causing butthurt to yourself or to the blogger.

I posted a link to Jim’s opinion on the matter.

If you are unable to understand his words I suggest some remedial English classes.

You have yourself a fine day.


26 posted on 04/14/2012 7:35:33 AM PDT by humblegunner
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To: JohnPierce; humblegunner

My appologies, post #8, not #18.


27 posted on 04/14/2012 7:35:43 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: mac_truck

What’s a PITA?


28 posted on 04/14/2012 7:36:31 AM PDT by carriage_hill (I'd vote for a "orange juice can", before 0bummer&HisRegimeFromHell, gets another 4yrs. Can-> later.)
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To: carriage_hill
What’s a PITA?

Pocket bread.

Which can be a pain in the ass to open sometimes.

29 posted on 04/14/2012 7:39:24 AM PDT by humblegunner
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To: thackney

“and ask nicely for a hit to your link.”

Most link sites will kill your account if you “ask” for hits, especially AdSense.

Very bad form and usually forbidden in the TOS.

That’s why they have to lure you in without directly asking.

[and some of the tracking cookies I mentioned won’t delete...I’m going to have go digging for them in my browser and kill them off manually....thanks a bunch, bloggers]


30 posted on 04/14/2012 7:39:47 AM PDT by Salamander (Hey blood brother, you're one of our own. You're as sharp as a razor and as hard as a stone.)
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To: Salamander

The words below the link are the Admin Moderators.

I was being lazy with no HTML codes.

Cheers


31 posted on 04/14/2012 7:42:13 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: Venturer

There’s a “Maryland” sidebar on the home page if you’ve put your state on your profile page.

This issue has been on there for weeks.


32 posted on 04/14/2012 7:43:28 AM PDT by Salamander (Hey blood brother, you're one of our own. You're as sharp as a razor and as hard as a stone.)
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To: JohnPierce

Here is the full-text of my latest article. The only part not included is the PDF of the letter from the MD State Police which is embedded via Google Docs. If you like the article, please consider giving me a visit and reading it and my other work:

http://monachuslex.com/?p=453


I wrote last week about Maryland’s appeal in the Woollard v. Sheridan case. I also noted that Judge Legg had issued a temporary stay of the ruling pending a May 23rd final hearing on whether or not a permanent stay should be issued until the appeal is heard or rejected.

Today, I was emailed a copy of the following letter. It was received by one of the many people who had submitted applications to the state of Maryland after the original ruling struck down the requirement that an applicant have a “good and substantial reason” to receive a handgun permit. One would surmise that a similar letter has been sent to all of the hundreds of applicants who did likewise.

[LETTER EMBEDDED IN GOOGLE DOCS IN ORIGINAL ARTICLE]

The person who sent me the email asked if it would be possible to seek a writ of mandamus forcing the state to process the application. However, if one reads the letter very carefully, you see that Maryland is not actually refusing to process the application. Rather, they are advising the applicants that, absent the “good and substantial reason” language that is once again required until either the stay is lifted or the appeals court rules, the application will almost certainly be denied.

I am of course deeply disappointed with the state of Maryland for having this requirement to begin with and for appealing Judge Legg’s original ruling striking it down. However, given these facts, I am rather pleasantly surprised that Maryland chose to return the applications along with the accompanying fees rather than simply denying them. They could just as easily have kept the fees and summarily denied the applications,. Based upon the history of political bias against gun owners in Maryland, I would not have been surprised at all if that were the approach they had taken.

But there may be a reason for this act of unexpected ‘generosity’ by the state of Maryland. Despite the bravado with which the state is defending their decision to appeal, many legal scholars expect Maryland to lose and they may simply not want to face the flood of lawsuits that would arise from denied applicants in such an eventuality.

I should also note that there is another potential up-side for the applicants. On their permit applications, some states ask whether you have ever been denied a permit in another jurisdiction. By not being denied in Maryland, these applicants will not have to answer “Yes” to such a question if they apply in another state in the future.


33 posted on 04/14/2012 7:43:43 AM PDT by JohnPierce
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To: Salamander; thackney
That’s why they have to lure you in without directly asking.

Bloggers is very wily.

34 posted on 04/14/2012 7:43:50 AM PDT by humblegunner
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To: thackney

Like that?


35 posted on 04/14/2012 7:45:20 AM PDT by JohnPierce
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To: thackney

I was just “politely pinging you” to the comment since it sort of involved you.

:)


36 posted on 04/14/2012 7:45:38 AM PDT by Salamander (Hey blood brother, you're one of our own. You're as sharp as a razor and as hard as a stone.)
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To: humblegunner

Yeah.

And the infernal Google trackers are a bitch to get rid of.

[Google mail? Aw crud...not *that* one again. Here comes the spam]


37 posted on 04/14/2012 7:47:51 AM PDT by Salamander (Hey blood brother, you're one of our own. You're as sharp as a razor and as hard as a stone.)
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To: ExGeeEye

“He did the work, he’s earned ‘em.”

Has he paid FR for those hits? Then he hasn’t “earned” them. He is stealing from FR.


38 posted on 04/14/2012 7:48:15 AM PDT by CodeToad (I'm so right-wing if I lifted my left leg I'd go into a spin.)
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To: humblegunner

Okay; got it. Thanks.


39 posted on 04/14/2012 7:53:02 AM PDT by carriage_hill (I'd vote for a "orange juice can", before 0bummer&HisRegimeFromHell, gets another 4yrs. Can-> later.)
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To: JohnPierce
Looks great to me.

I was not criticizing the work. My suggestion and by others is if you want to use the member-funded Free Republic to promote your web site, at least have the courtesy to bring the text if reasonable length to FR.

Not trying to chase you away, but some of us don't donate to Free Republic to promote your web site. But if you have something useful to contribute, most will welcome your work and link back to read more.

my 2¢, nothing more and worth even less.

40 posted on 04/14/2012 7:55:32 AM PDT by thackney (life is fragile, handle with prayer)
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To: humblegunner

>>...but rather to impart useful information to OUR readers and to promote and join in on the discussion and conservative activism HERE on FR.”...<<

Then you should welcome content contributors, excerpted or full, with open arms.

I consider FR as an aggregator of conservative content. A *DARN GOOD* aggregator of conservative content! I don’t bookmark any blogs. I do have FR bookmarked. If I come to FR and read an excerpt, I may go to the external site and read the full article. But I *STILL* return to FR to read and/or join the discussion about the article. I don’t require the author to join in — there are plenty of interesting opinoins on FR without the author joining the discussion. Also, judging by the typical number of comments (or lack of) on the contributing pages, it seems to me that most freepers do the same: come to FR to find the content; go read the article and return to FR to discuss. FR gets the traffic on both sides of that content!!

FR admins appear to take the stance that only FR should receive traffic and everyone else should lose completely. That may not be FR’s actual intent, but that’s certainly how it appears to the casual observer. A reasonable and prudent person would realize that even excerpts are beneficial to FR, if your non-monetized site just wants web-traffic bragging rights.

Without bloggers posting interesting content on FR (excerpted or otherwise), this place would be a ghost town. FR needs content contributors as much as the content contributors need FR. Running off *any* valid conservative content is short-sided (at best). If you run off your content contributors, what do you think happens to your site traffic metrics and freepathon donations then? Reduced bragging rights and donations perhaps?

It also occurs to me that a better course of action (if excerpting is so bloody offensive) *MAY* be to at least take the admonishments offline. Email the contributor directly or block his IP or whatever. Griping, whining and moaning about it in the thread just leaves a big steaming pile of dung right in the middle of an otherwise interesting discussion. Something else to consider.

Been holding my tongue on this issue for awhile and I apologize to all for interrupting the discussion about the MD handgun permit injustice. Just my opinions on the issue. Other opinions will vary and may even be stinkier.


41 posted on 04/14/2012 8:10:22 AM PDT by jaydee770
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To: jaydee770

FR has exactly *two* cookies.

One is Google Analytics and the other is the one that keeps you logged in.

Blogs usually have many trackers, beacons, adware, cookies and other garbage that invade your privacy and expose your machine and personal data to *other* sites that have the same crud installed.

Some people deeply resent the invasion of privacy and garbage that accrues after we visit those blogs.

I’ve had inboxes full of spam related to the blog topics “suddenly appear”, I’ve had ads on other sites ‘personalized for me” based on whatever the blog was about.

I do not like being cyber-stalked just because somebody is playing the penny-per-click game.

Last night, somebody posted a “cute video” from a blog and it totally crashed my laptop.

I had to cold boot to get it going again.

That is not why I come ~here~.


42 posted on 04/14/2012 8:24:45 AM PDT by Salamander (Hey blood brother, you're one of our own. You're as sharp as a razor and as hard as a stone.)
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To: Salamander

Thank You


43 posted on 04/14/2012 8:27:01 AM PDT by Venturer
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To: jaydee770
Without bloggers posting interesting content on FR (excerpted or otherwise), this place would be a ghost town.

Gosh, it's a wonder Free Republic survived all those years before
every Smacktard and his brother Smelvin had a blog to post excerpts from.

It must have been a ghost town around here, huh?

44 posted on 04/14/2012 8:30:08 AM PDT by humblegunner
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To: Venturer

Sure thing.

[I usually avoid looking at my MD sidebar because it’s so incredibly *depressing*]....LOL


45 posted on 04/14/2012 8:34:06 AM PDT by Salamander (Hey blood brother, you're one of our own. You're as sharp as a razor and as hard as a stone.)
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To: JohnPierce

And people wonder why my husband and I by-passed Maryland and moved to Virginia from Delaware.............


46 posted on 04/14/2012 8:51:36 AM PDT by Gabz (Democrats for Voldemort.)
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To: humblegunner

I took your advice and posted the entire text. You didn’t need to call me a “smacktard.” And it is completely coincidental that my brother’s name is Smelvin. :)


47 posted on 04/14/2012 9:01:28 AM PDT by JohnPierce
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48 posted on 04/14/2012 9:03:04 AM PDT by RedMDer (https://support.woundedwarriorproject.org/default.aspx?tsid=93)
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To: JohnPierce

I wasn’t referring to you, and I’m sorry about your brother’s unfortunate name.

The fact is that there are some bloggers who “produce” low-quality
or outright stolen content and expect hits for excerpting it here.

They are tards worth smacking.


49 posted on 04/14/2012 9:06:17 AM PDT by humblegunner
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To: humblegunner

Understood and of course I was joking about my brothers name. :)


50 posted on 04/14/2012 9:16:26 AM PDT by JohnPierce
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