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The president needs to learn how to salute
BizPacReview.com ^ | April 20, 2012 | Michael Dorstewitz

Posted on 04/20/2012 6:10:33 AM PDT by cap10mike

There are few walks of life nobler or more rewarding than a military career. Military personnel work long, arduous hours, often under intense stress and in extreme danger to their own life and limb. They spend months away from their loved ones while on call 24/7 in an intensely unsafe and unfriendly environment. In return, they receive low pay and lose many of the freedoms of choice they take an oath to protect, freedoms the rest of us take for granted.

I’ve been proud of my country, and especially its military, from the time I was a small boy, when such feelings were commonplace and expected. Today, they’re often ridiculed as old-fashioned. It’s for that reason I was saddened to learn of a shameful statistic reported in The New York Times recently: “For every soldier killed on the battlefield this year, about 25 veterans are dying by their own hands.

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TOPICS: Government; History; Military/Veterans; Politics
KEYWORDS: fthood; miliyary; obama; tricare
The president’s reprehensible disrespect toward the military.
1 posted on 04/20/2012 6:10:38 AM PDT by cap10mike
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To: cap10mike
The president needs to learn how to salute

No need to bother now - he only has a few months left :)

2 posted on 04/20/2012 6:12:31 AM PDT by libertarian27 (Check my profile page for the FReeper Online Cookbook 2011)
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To: libertarian27

Every ten year old American kid growing up in America knows how to salute. They also know American kids don’t eat Old Yeller.


3 posted on 04/20/2012 6:15:50 AM PDT by massgopguy (I owe everything to George Bailey)
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To: cap10mike

What are you talking about? The communist knows how to salute, he gave the middle finger to John McCain and others. Why would you even call the commie usurper fraud and forger a “president”.


4 posted on 04/20/2012 6:17:42 AM PDT by biggredd1
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To: cap10mike

Our admirals and generals have failed us.


5 posted on 04/20/2012 6:19:22 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer")
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To: libertarian27

Your lips to God’s ears!


6 posted on 04/20/2012 6:21:39 AM PDT by cap10mike (Free market)
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To: cap10mike

I know the author was speaking metaphorically, at least in general terms. However, I am amazed at the number of folks who try to salute; either on TV, or as President, who do not take the five minutes to learn how to do it.

I recall being on the Upper Parade ground 30 some years ago, being taught to give a proper salute. It took all of half an hour to teach 500 kids how to do it. The smartest man in the world should understand how to do it.

Also, am I the only one that wanted to break John Kerry’s arm when he tried to salute. It looked like he was waving at the steamship going down the Mississippi. I was never going to vote for him anyway....but jeeze! And I hear he was a vet!

It is a pet peeve of mine that my kids have tired of hearing from me.


7 posted on 04/20/2012 6:25:45 AM PDT by Vermont Lt (I just don't like anything about the President. And I don't think he's a nice guy.)
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To: cap10mike

Very good! Especially your first two paragraphs!

Those that disrespect those that protect and defend our freedoms, despise their own liberty!


8 posted on 04/20/2012 6:26:26 AM PDT by LetMarch (If a man knows the right way to live, and does not live it, there is no greater coward. (Anonymous)
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To: cap10mike

Actually, if I’m not mistaken, Presidents didn’t salute troops up until Reagan, I think he started that trend.

I’m no fan of Obama, but based on what I know, I don’t think he’s doing anything wrong by not Saluting.


9 posted on 04/20/2012 6:27:39 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: blueunicorn6
Our admirals and generals have failed us.

You mean our perfumed princes and princesses at the Pentagon?

10 posted on 04/20/2012 6:33:52 AM PDT by Night Hides Not (My dream ticket for 2012 is John Galt & Dagny Taggart!)
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To: HamiltonJay
The President doesn't salute the troops, he's the Commander in Chief. However, he returns their salute, and so, out of respect for those he commands, he should at least learn how to do so properly.

When Clinton was first elected, his "salutes" were really sloppy. Then someone in the WH got smart, and spent about 10 minutes showing him how to do so...

11 posted on 04/20/2012 7:00:18 AM PDT by ken5050 (The ONLY reason to support Mitt: The Mormon Tabernacle Choir will appear at the WH each Christmas)
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To: ken5050

No he doesn’t, historically REAGAN was the first President to return salutes... No Civilian, not even the Commander in Chief is required to deliver or return a salute.

I understand what you are trying to say, but respectfully you are wrong.

Reagan was the first President EVER to return Salutes to the troops in daily matters. in fact when he first did it in 1981 it caused a bit of an controversey.

I hate Obama and all he stands for, and while he may be disrespectful to the military, if you are going to argue the president must return a salute you are wrong. Not even Dwight D Eisenhower and Military man himself returned salutes when President.

OBama is a disrespectful a$$ but on this matter he isn’t violating protocol or law by failing to return a salute made to him.


12 posted on 04/20/2012 7:13:12 AM PDT by HamiltonJay
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To: cap10mike

The problem is that that this president salutes the military with the middle finger of his left forepaw!


13 posted on 04/20/2012 7:13:21 AM PDT by Redleg Duke ("Madison, Wisconsin is 30 square miles surrounded by reality.", L. S. Dryfus)
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To: biggredd1
obama - commie red devil

Jackwagon's from the far left faculty-lounge culture and snapping a decent salute would violate his hate-America creed.

Barry can't figure out what went wrong
The people aren't singing his song
Well, here is the gist
The people are p...ed
And we'll vote him out before long

14 posted on 04/20/2012 7:14:41 AM PDT by BobP (The piss-stream media - Never to be watched again in my house)
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To: ken5050

Is he really supposed to return salutes, considering he’s not in uniform? In the Marines we were taught that it was fine to salute an officer if he was in civilian clothes and you recognized him - it was even considered somewhat of a compliment. But they weren’t allowed to return the salute when not in uniform. Instead what you usually got was a sincere and grateful “Good Morning!” or “Good Afternoon!” - it was one of the few times I actually saw officers smile sincerely and with gratitude for the compliment they’d received from the saluting Marine.


15 posted on 04/20/2012 7:20:01 AM PDT by clive bitterman
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To: cap10mike
I remember when Bill Clinton was speaking at a commissioning, or maybe it was a christening, of a Navy ship years ago. When he said something about the BOW of the ship, he pronounced it like (GO) instead of like (WOW). The ships' crew was standing in ranks on the pier and the camera's picked up about half of them rolling their eyes and the other half, snickering.

This was a precursor for when obama talked about that Navy CORPSE-man.

It must be something in the water that they drink. OOPS...perhaps I should say Big Mac's in Clinton's case and and KFC and FIDO, in obama's.

16 posted on 04/20/2012 7:23:30 AM PDT by jmax (Goooooooooooooo NAVY .......)
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To: cap10mike

“It’s for that reason I was saddened to learn of a shameful statistic reported in The New York Times recently: “For every soldier killed on the battlefield this year, about 25 veterans are dying by their own hands.”

Hunh? Where did this stat come from? I’m tempted to call Bravo Sierra.


17 posted on 04/20/2012 7:29:14 AM PDT by jagusafr ("Write in Palin and prepare for war...")
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To: cap10mike

18 posted on 04/20/2012 7:36:59 AM PDT by Brandonmark (2012: Our Hope IS Change!)
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To: Brandonmark

19 posted on 04/20/2012 7:45:17 AM PDT by Brandonmark (2012: Our Hope IS Change!)
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To: cap10mike

Amen to that!


20 posted on 04/20/2012 9:42:04 AM PDT by Doors
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To: HamiltonJay; clive bitterman
HJ..No disagreement here, even a respectful one (g). I think we both got a little mixed up over what we meant by the word "salute" in the context it was used.

A salute is always rendered by a lower rank to a higher rank. The higher rank ( assuming of course he sees the salute) MUST return it...it's protocol. It's an insult to the troops not to do so. If the lower ranks, especially enlisted, have respect/affection for the office, they will go out of their way to salute him, and thus in effect demand one in return. Good units embrace this. If the troops, again, especially enlisted, don't respect the officer, they will go out of their way..even changing direction, to avoid having to salute.

HJ is correct: the president, as CiC is not required to salute the troops ( return their salute. He is, first and foremost, a civilian, and one of the cornerstones of our democracy is civilian control of the military.

Reagan was the first president to return the salutes..He's always depicted as "saluting" the troops, but what is hardly ever seen in the pics ( as they are outside the image), is the military FIRST saluting their commander in chief..we see Reagan RETURNING the salute)

Obama can choose NOT to return the salutes. However,since every President since Reagan has done so, he must be aware that it will cause lots of comments. However, as he is already in the habit of bowing down to foreign leaders, I guess he figures it's no big deal.

If he does choose to continue the tradition established by Reagan, and return the salutes, then, as I said earlier, he needs to learn how to do so correctly. I remember having the point made to me, rather forcefully, that a slopply salute (in the Marines, anything less than perfect is sloppy) is WORSE than NOT saluting.

Totally off topic, but one of my best memories is after I'd been at Quantico a few months, there were TWO MOH recipients on base for a dedication and lecture..both were career Marines...WW II and Korea, and on their last tours before retiring..to see two and three star generals literally lining up to first salute them, and then to greet them..just amazing.

21 posted on 04/20/2012 10:02:18 AM PDT by ken5050 (The ONLY reason to support Mitt: The Mormon Tabernacle Choir will appear at the WH each Christmas)
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To: massgopguy

Operative word: “American.”


22 posted on 04/20/2012 12:57:25 PM PDT by cap10mike (Free market)
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To: Vermont Lt

Nope, you weren’t the only one Re: Kerry). If you don’t know how, don’t embarrass yourself and everyone else around you. As you say, it on;y takes a short while to learn.


23 posted on 04/20/2012 1:03:04 PM PDT by cap10mike (Free market)
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To: LetMarch

Amen, brother!


24 posted on 04/20/2012 1:04:33 PM PDT by cap10mike (Free market)
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